[stylist] Hi Bonnie
James Canaday M.A. N6YR
n6yr at sunflower.com
Fri Mar 13 04:49:17 UTC 2009
Dear Bonnie,
we also wish to see more of Jennith, she's a very nice young lady and
you have good reason to be proud of her. she participated last
october in our table outreach downtown at a high foot traffic intersection.
please continue to encourage her to come to our meetings. february
we postponed our meeting one week because of the basketball
game. you know, basketball is pretty big here!
thank you for writing and I'm glad to have your e-mail address now.
jc
At 05:10 PM 3/11/2009, you wrote:
>Hello, Jim,
>It's bonnie Lucas, Jennith's mom. Though I have not posted to this
>list, I have been a silent participant for sometime. Not much of a
>writer though I'd like to be. I also have a very long way to go
>before I become "good," at using the computer, however, I am
>familiar with using a particular command key stroke with tables in
>JAWS. If you want to move from collumn to collumn or row to row, you
>use the arrow keys with the alt and ctrl keys. Then you can move
>around very easily and it says row and collumn numbers.
>A big thanks to you and Linda for helping Jennith whenever she has
>questions. Just need to get her to go to more NFB meetings. It seems
>something always happens to prevent her from coming.
>Bonnie Lucas
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>> 1. Re: word to txt? (Steve Jacobson)
>> 2. Re: word to txt? (Fred Wurtzel)
>> 3. Re: word to txt? (James Canaday M.A. N6YR)
>> 4. Running blind (Robert Newman)
>> 5. Running with a cane (LoriStay at aol.com)
>> 6. Re: From Christine -- my book "The Sight Sickness" now
>> available through amazon.com (LoriStay at aol.com)
>> 7. word to txt? (Robert Newman)
>> 8. Re: word to txt? (James Canaday M.A. N6YR)
>> 9. Re: From Christine -- my book "The Sight Sickness" now
>> available through amazon.com (James Canaday M.A. N6YR)
>> 10. Re: Running with a cane (James Canaday M.A. N6YR)
>> 11. Re: New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual Blindness
>> Challenge: The Reality Show (Justin Williams)
>> 12. Re: word to txt? (James Canaday M.A. N6YR)
>> 13. JAWS and TABLES (Robert Newman)
>> 14. Re: JAWS and TABLES (Robert Jaquiss)
>> 15. Re: JAWS and TABLES (Angela fowler)
>> 16. Re: New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual BlindnessChallenge:
>> The Reality Show (Judith Bron)
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>>Message: 1
>>Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:23:07 -0500
>>From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] word to txt?
>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
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>>Jim,
>>
>>I use Window-Eyes and it has specific keys that help move around in
>>Word tables, and my understanding is that JFW also has such
>>keys. Depending upon the
>>content of your table, these could be very useful or they may
>>not. If you had a table of states and their populations, for
>>example, such keys would allow you to move
>>straight down the column of states and read only the populations
>>that are of interest. There might be a separate key to read the
>>entire table row, which probably
>>would give you the same information as you get when converting it
>>to text. If nobody else can give you more specifics and you are not
>>able to get any information,
>>let me know and I'll try to do more digging by asking some JFW
>>users who might have experience with tables.
>>
>>Please don't misunderstand, I'm not saying there is anything wrong
>>in just getting rid of tables, but you might be able to save a step
>>and possible find them useful in
>>some cases. Also, getting rid of them is not an option if you are
>>working on a Word document with someone else and don't want to
>>change the format.
>>
>>On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:18:42 -0600, James Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
>>
>>>Steve,
>>>please explain, "table reading keys in my screen reader?"
>>>I am using jaws, this is the first have heard of table reading keys.
>>>jc
>>
>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>Lawrence, KS
>>
>>>At 09:34 AM 3/10/2009, you wrote:
>>>>Don't overlook the fact that tables can be your friend. Make sure
>>>>you know the table navigation keys of your screen reader.
>>>>
>>>>You can save a document as text using a "TXT" extension as noted
>>>>below. To do that, use the "Save as" option, and tabbing to the
>>>>next control after the file
>>>>name which will get you into a list of possible file types. There
>>>>are a couple of text options there as well.
>>>>
>>>>Yet another approach that can work if you are reading someone else's
>>>>document and do not plan to be passing it on to anyone is to convert
>>>>the tables to something
>>>>else. If you get your cursor within the table, you can then go to
>>>>the Table menu and look for the Convert option and pick the Table to
>>>>Text option. There will be a
>>>>few options. That will let you look at the word document itself but
>>>>without the table.
>>>>
>>>>I hope something here helps.
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:33:06 -0400, Judith Bron wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >When you save it save it with a txt extension. Judith
>>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>>> >From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>> >To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:34 AM
>>>> >Subject: [stylist] word to txt?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> hi list friends,
>>>> >> I've looked through the menu system and didn't see it. where
>>>> do I go >> to
>>>> >> get a text output into a file of a word document? I have a
>>>> table in >> word
>>>> >> and I hope it will be more understandable in txt...just guessing
>>>> >> thanks
>>>> >> jc
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>> >> Lawrence, KS
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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>>Message: 2
>>Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:32:27 -0400
>>From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at comcast.net>
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] word to txt?
>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
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>>Hi Jim,
>>
>>The suggestion to use the table navigation commands in your screen reader is
>>an excellent one. In Window-Eyes, the reader will tell you row and column
>>headings that refer to the active cell. I assume JAWS has a similar
>>capability. Sometimmes unformatting tables disaggregates the data to such
>>an extent it is very difficult to comprehend.
>>
>>Warm Regards,
>>
>>Fred
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of James Canaday M.A. N6YR
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:34 AM
>>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>Subject: [stylist] word to txt?
>>
>>hi list friends,
>>I've looked through the menu system and didn't see it. where do I go
>>to get a text output into a file of a word document? I have a table
>>in word and I hope it will be more understandable in txt...just guessing
>>thanks
>>jc
>>
>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>Lawrence, KS
>>
>>
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>>Message: 3
>>Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:26:09 -0600
>>From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] word to txt?
>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
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>>thanks Steve,
>>I'll look.
>>
>>this is a table of information I'm needing to take in as a member of
>>our city's Public Transit Advisory Committee so no problem about
>>colaboration etc. I'll play some with jaws, it has an experimenter
>>mode where you hit keys and it tells you what they do.
>>
>>thanks Steve,
>>jc
>>
>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>Lawrence, KS
>>
>>At 11:23 AM 3/10/2009, you wrote:
>>>Jim,
>>>
>>>I use Window-Eyes and it has specific keys that help move around in
>>>Word tables, and my understanding is that JFW also has such
>>>keys. Depending upon the
>>>content of your table, these could be very useful or they may
>>>not. If you had a table of states and their populations, for
>>>example, such keys would allow you to move
>>>straight down the column of states and read only the populations
>>>that are of interest. There might be a separate key to read the
>>>entire table row, which probably
>>>would give you the same information as you get when converting it to
>>>text. If nobody else can give you more specifics and you are not
>>>able to get any information,
>>>let me know and I'll try to do more digging by asking some JFW users
>>>who might have experience with tables.
>>>
>>>Please don't misunderstand, I'm not saying there is anything wrong
>>>in just getting rid of tables, but you might be able to save a step
>>>and possible find them useful in
>>>some cases. Also, getting rid of them is not an option if you are
>>>working on a Word document with someone else and don't want to
>>>change the format.
>>>
>>>On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:18:42 -0600, James Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
>>>
>>> >Steve,
>>> >please explain, "table reading keys in my screen reader?"
>>> >I am using jaws, this is the first have heard of table reading keys.
>>> >jc
>>>
>>> >Jim Canaday M.A.
>>> >Lawrence, KS
>>>
>>> >At 09:34 AM 3/10/2009, you wrote:
>>> >>Don't overlook the fact that tables can be your friend. Make sure
>>> >>you know the table navigation keys of your screen reader.
>>> >>
>>> >>You can save a document as text using a "TXT" extension as noted
>>> >>below. To do that, use the "Save as" option, and tabbing to the
>>> >>next control after the file
>>> >>name which will get you into a list of possible file types. There
>>> >>are a couple of text options there as well.
>>> >>
>>> >>Yet another approach that can work if you are reading someone else's
>>> >>document and do not plan to be passing it on to anyone is to convert
>>> >>the tables to something
>>> >>else. If you get your cursor within the table, you can then go to
>>> >>the Table menu and look for the Convert option and pick the Table to
>>> >>Text option. There will be a
>>> >>few options. That will let you look at the word document itself but
>>> >>without the table.
>>> >>
>>> >>I hope something here helps.
>>> >>
>>> >>On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:33:06 -0400, Judith Bron wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >When you save it save it with a txt extension. Judith
>>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>> >> >To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:34 AM
>>> >> >Subject: [stylist] word to txt?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >> hi list friends,
>>> >> >> I've looked through the menu system and didn't see it. where
>>>do I go to
>>> >> >> get a text output into a file of a word document? I have a
>>>table in word
>>> >> >> and I hope it will be more understandable in txt...just guessing
>>> >> >> thanks
>>> >> >> jc
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Jim Canaday M.A.
>>> >> >> Lawrence, KS
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
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>>Message: 4
>>Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:47:19 -0500
>>From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
>>Subject: [stylist] Running blind
>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
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>>Hi writers, thought I'd key in a few words about what I have experienced
>>running blind, while using a cane. I have, still do run around my
>>neighborhood. Not as much as I once did; once it was for exercise and I
>>would go for miles. Now it is to the bus stop or home. And I know several
>>other Nebraskan's who run outdoors on a regular basis. And you all know
>>about my trips to Turkey, well, we get those students running in the first
>>week. And in saying all this, there is some system and smarts put into it
>>before you just blindly charge into the void. For example, TP143 has Patty
>>running in the last scene. If you think about it this way- she has been
>>using the cane for 28 days, and all of those excursions started from that
>>training building and so she was very familiar with the area that she was
>>plunging off into. Granted, the reader doesn't know where all Miss Patty was
>>bound for, and one can not really speculate if she kept up that run into
>>those unknown territories. Though, I do and have run down some unfamiliar
>>sidewalks and when I do, it is at a slower rate, one that I know that I have
>>the reaction time to handle.
>>
>>I share this with you because we of all people need to know all we can about
>>how some of our brothers and sisters can and do perform tasks in life that
>>may be thought cannot be done or done safely by the blind.
>>
>>So, before I run on too long, I'll sign off for now.
>>
>>
>>
>>Robert Leslie Newman
>>Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>>THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>>Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Angela fowler
>>Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:34 AM
>>To: 'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual
>>BlindnessChallenge: The Reality Show
>>
>>Well, at least not after only 14 days travel experience Lol.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of James Canaday M.A. N6YR
>>Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:14 PM
>>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual Blindness
>>Challenge: The Reality Show
>>
>>robert,
>>are you watching too much reality tv these days?
>>
>>it was a very good way of presenting the skills of blindness. but I
>>didn't think it was safe to run with a cane.
>>jc
>>
>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>Lawrence, KS
>>
>>At 08:44 PM 3/8/2009, you wrote:
>>>Fellow writers: Check out this latest THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is one of my
>>>favorites.
>>>
>>>RE: The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show
>>>
>>>Here is my 143rd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a reality show. Fully sighted
>>>contestants agree to forgo their sight and learn blindness skills.
>>>There are challenges, winners and losers. Have a read and tell us what
>>>you think; is there value in this shows concept? If you have not read
>>>the PROVOKER, it follows. Recall that I collect responses and post
>>>them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that
>>>URL
>>is-
>>>Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/> If you wish to
>>>receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and ask,
>>>at- newmanrl at cox.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>THOUGHT PROVOKER 143
>>>The Virtual Blindness Challenge:
>>>The Reality Show
>>>
>>>"Welcome to The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show! (On
>>>screen a tall dark-haired man stands, long white cane in one hand,
>>>cordless microphone in the other.) This is Final Challenge Day of week
>>>four, the final test. In today's challenge our remaining two students
>>>will have their final faceoff. The one to successfully complete their
>>>challenge assignment first will win the grand prize of $10,000. Will it
>>>be Patty Hartman, twenty-six-years old, a single mother, and
>>>unemployed?" (The screen shows a petit blonde woman with a black
>>>sleepshade strapped snuggly over her eyes and upper face. She stands
>>>smiling; a long white cane as tall as she rests easily at her side.)
>>>
>>>The MC steps around to the second student. "Or will it be Simon Brown,
>>>32, married, a recent veteran of the Iraq War, soon to enter college."
>>>(The screen fills with a well-built young man with a dark, suntanned,
>>>skin tone; standing at military ease, a long white cane as tall as his
>>>eyebrows in the crook of an elbow. His facial expression below the
>>>black of the sleepshade shows the nonchalance of confidence.)
>>>
>>>"But before we show highlights of Patty's and Simon's progress to date,
>>>allow me to set the stage. Twenty-eight days ago twelve fully sighted
>>>participants began the Virtual Blindness Challenge. All agreed to wear
>>>sleepshades, were given the same tools, and taught the same blindness
>>>skill-sets. Ten have been eliminated. The judging is simple--if you
>>>don't excel, you are cut. This challenge is to find the best."
>>>
>>> "Let us take a quick review of Patty's journey in virtual blindness
>>>from that first day, up to this Final Challenge."
>>>
>>>The first scene: Patty is pulling on her sleepshade, a look on her face
>>>that may have said, "I'm not sure what I'm getting myself into, but I'm
>>>committed, I doing this!" Second: the first cane travel lesson; a
>>>hesitant step, uncoordinated probing and swinging of the cane. Third:
>>>learning Braille; writing with a Braille slate and stylus; fingers
>>>reading a thick Braille magazine. Fourth: pouring water from a large
>>>pitcher into a small glass; Fifth: frosting a cake. Sixth: threading a
>>>needle with a wire-loop needle threader; using a sewing machine.
>>>Seventh: seated at a computer, the screen showing what she is typing
>>>and a synthesized voice enunciating what she keys in. "Blindness is
>>>doable." Eighth: drilling a board with an electric hand drill.
>>>
>>>The MC extends the microphone toward her. "Patty, how are you feeling
>>>about your blindness skills? Ready for this Final Challenge?"
>>>
>>>"You bet, Ross, I'm very ready. Just in the past week my ability to
>>>pick-up on echo location has come in strong and now on travel, I can fly!"
>>>
>>>"Now here is Simon's journey in virtual blindness."
>>>
>>>First scene: Simon, face showing quiet self-confidence slips his
>>>sleepshade down over his eyes. Second: cane held steady in his strong
>>>grip, he explores a staircase. Third: inserting a sheet of paper into a
>>>Braille slate; reading a Braille label on a can of soup. Fourth:
>>>checking meat on a hot charcoal grill. Fifth: threading a
>>>self-threading needle; hand-sewing a button onto a man's shirt. Sixth:
>>>keying into a laptop, its screen showing a familiar logo, and from the
>>>speakers we hear, "Google." Seventh: Cutting with a circular saw;
>>>sanding a
>>newly built picnic table.
>>>
>>> "Simon, how are you doing? Up for the final cut; ready to take the
>>>grand prize home?"
>>>
>>>"Yes, sir. That's affirmative. And Ross, you once compared this
>>>challenge to military boot camp. I would say, yes, in that both are a
>>>form of preparation, of training the mind, and training muscle memory.
>>>But the game is different; war can kill you, blindness will not. Life
>>>goes on and you just use alternative methods to be successful."
>>>
>>>The camera focuses on the MC handing each of them a Brailled sheet.
>>>"Though the day has just begun, you two have much to do. Here are your
>>>last challenge instructions. Read your challenge and do your best!
>>>We'll be waiting here at the finish line with the grand prizes-winner
>>>takes all! And the clock starts now!"
>>>
>>>The camera zooms to both contestants, seated, intense faces, fingers
>>>reading their instructions.
>>>
>>>The camera follows as both contestants walk down the front steps. Simon
>>>turns right, long strides carrying him swiftly south. Patty turns left,
>>>north, her shorter stride quickening, moving into a trot, cane flashing
>>>in the early morning sun, she begins to run.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Robert Leslie Newman
>>>Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>>>THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>>>Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>>
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>>Message: 5
>>Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:23:02 EDT
>>From: LoriStay at aol.com
>>Subject: [stylist] Running with a cane
>>To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>>Message-ID: <c83.31cadb65.36e85056 at aol.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>>
>>Oops, wrong! Though it probably depends on where you are running, and how
>>long your cane is. Dr. Jernigan made a film once in which he taught blind
>>people to run. Also, I took my friend Lisa to a mall quite a
>>while ago, and we
>>ran down the length of it. She got a kick out of it.
>>Lori
>>
>>In a message dated 3/9/09 1:44:30 AM, n6yr at sunflower.com writes:
>>
>>
>>>robert,
>>>are you watching too much reality tv these days?
>>>
>>>it was a very good way of presenting the skills of blindness.?? but I
>>>didn't think it was safe to run with a cane.
>>>jc
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 6
>>Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:18:08 EDT
>>From: LoriStay at aol.com
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] From Christine -- my book "The Sight Sickness"
>>now available through amazon.com
>>To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>>Message-ID: <bf7.554f1201.36e84f30 at aol.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>>"The Sight Sickness" by Christine Faltz Grassman is Christine's sequel to the
>>book "Blindness" we had been talking about. In it she explores what would
>>happen if this were a real world scenario, where the blind community fights
>>back, collecting the government officials and shutting them in a
>>pitch black room
>>until they learn to handle being "blind."
>>
>>It is available in paperback and hard cover from Amazon.com, and in
>>electronic format from www.iuniverse.com (see below).
>>
>>Interesting work by a Federationist.
>>Lori
>>In a message dated 3/9/09 8:43:01 PM, cgrassman1009 at gmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>>>Both the paperback and hardcover editions are available; the electronic
>>>version is available only through iuniverse.com's bookstore.
>>> Christine
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 7
>>Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:58:40 -0500
>>From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
>>Subject: [stylist] word to txt?
>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <162516E3CCF345638D081E351DFB10C9 at D78R0TG1>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>>JR
>>
>>I too some times will convert a Pesky Word document that has fields or a
>>table and I don't want to deal with it. So if you are talking about doing
>>this in Word, the conversion, you can find the TXT by when going into save
>>as, you tab over to file type and input the letter 4r and that takes you to
>>the RTF or Rich Text Format and just below it is the option you want- plain
>>text or TXT And so after you choose it, it will ask you a bunch of
>>questions, just tab to the end of all them to the ok and press enter.
>>
>>
>>Robert Leslie Newman
>>Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>>THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>>Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 8
>>Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:27:31 -0600
>>From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] word to txt?
>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <200903110022.n2B0MCfX010370 at smtp.sunflower.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>>thanks Fred,
>>yes, that's a risk dealing with tables.
>>jc
>>
>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>Lawrence, KS
>>
>>At 11:32 AM 3/10/2009, you wrote:
>>>Hi Jim,
>>>
>>>The suggestion to use the table navigation commands in your screen reader is
>>>an excellent one. In Window-Eyes, the reader will tell you row and column
>>>headings that refer to the active cell. I assume JAWS has a similar
>>>capability. Sometimmes unformatting tables disaggregates the data to such
>>>an extent it is very difficult to comprehend.
>>>
>>>Warm Regards,
>>>
>>>Fred
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of James Canaday M.A. N6YR
>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:34 AM
>>>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>Subject: [stylist] word to txt?
>>>
>>>hi list friends,
>>>I've looked through the menu system and didn't see it. where do I go
>>>to get a text output into a file of a word document? I have a table
>>>in word and I hope it will be more understandable in txt...just guessing
>>>thanks
>>>jc
>>>
>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>Lawrence, KS
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>Message: 9
>>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:30:16 -0600
>>From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] From Christine -- my book "The Sight Sickness"
>>now available through amazon.com
>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <200903110524.n2B5OwsP029135 at smtp.sunflower.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>>Lori,
>>thanks for putting this on the list. I'm definitely reading this
>>soon. know if talking books or
>>www.bookshare.org
>>have it?
>>jc
>>
>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>Lawrence, KS
>>
>>At 05:18 PM 3/10/2009, you wrote:
>>>"The Sight Sickness" by Christine Faltz Grassman is Christine's
>>>sequel to the
>>>book "Blindness" we had been talking about. In it she explores what would
>>>happen if this were a real world scenario, where the blind community fights
>>>back, collecting the government officials and shutting them in a
>>>pitch black room
>>>until they learn to handle being "blind."
>>>
>>>It is available in paperback and hard cover from Amazon.com, and in
>>>electronic format from www.iuniverse.com (see below).
>>>
>>>Interesting work by a Federationist.
>>>Lori
>>>In a message dated 3/9/09 8:43:01 PM, cgrassman1009 at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> > Both the paperback and hardcover editions are available; the electronic
>>> > version is available only through iuniverse.com's bookstore.
>>> > Christine
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>**************
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>>>(http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005)
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 10
>>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:41:07 -0600
>>From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] Running with a cane
>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <200903110535.n2B5Zn9a030036 at smtp.sunflower.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>>oh granted. when I was an undergraduate (at U.C. Davis) some guys
>>rigged up a trace string along the inside of the track and I could
>>run tracing my hand along it. it was pretty cool. I had a guide dog
>>then, so I dropped the harness and just had her run alongside me.
>>jc
>>
>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>Lawrence, KS
>>
>>At 05:23 PM 3/10/2009, you wrote:
>>>Oops, wrong! Though it probably depends on where you are running, and how
>>>long your cane is. Dr. Jernigan made a film once in which he taught blind
>>>people to run. Also, I took my friend Lisa to a mall quite a while
>>>ago, and we
>>>ran down the length of it. She got a kick out of it.
>>>Lori
>>>
>>>In a message dated 3/9/09 1:44:30 AM, n6yr at sunflower.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> > robert,
>>> > are you watching too much reality tv these days?
>>> >
>>> > it was a very good way of presenting the skills of blindness. but I
>>> > didn't think it was safe to run with a cane.
>>> > jc
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>**************
>>>Need a job? Find employment help in your area.
>>>(http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005)
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 11
>>Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:27:56 -0400
>>From: "Justin Williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual Blindness
>>Challenge: The Reality Show
>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <007e01c9a1f0$fcfa87f0$f6ef97d0$@williams2 at gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>I like the concept, because it makes others aware about just hoe difficult
>>it is to master the art of blindness; if it can really be mastered.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Kathleen Millhoff
>>Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 6:55 AM
>>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual Blindness
>>Challenge: The Reality Show
>>
>>On 3/9/09, Robert Newman <newmanrl at cox.net> wrote:
>>>Fellow writers: Check out this latest THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is one of my
>>>favorites.
>>>
>>>RE: The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show
>>>
>>>Here is my 143rd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a reality show. Fully sighted
>>>contestants agree to forgo their sight and learn blindness skills. There
>>are
>>>challenges, winners and losers. Have a read and tell us what you think; is
>>>there value in this shows concept? If you have not read the PROVOKER, it
>>>follows. Recall that I collect responses and post them upon my web site
>>for
>>>all the WWW to read and learn from and that URL is-
>>>Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/> If you wish
>>to
>>>receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and ask, at-
>>>newmanrl at cox.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>THOUGHT PROVOKER 143
>>>The Virtual Blindness Challenge:
>>>The Reality Show
>>>
>>>"Welcome to The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show! (On screen
>>a
>>>tall dark-haired man stands, long white cane in one hand, cordless
>>>microphone in the other.) This is Final Challenge Day of week four, the
>>>final test. In today's challenge our remaining two students will have
>>their
>>>final faceoff. The one to successfully complete their challenge assignment
>>>first will win the grand prize of $10,000. Will it be Patty Hartman,
>>>twenty-six-years old, a single mother, and unemployed?" (The screen shows
>>a
>>>petit blonde woman with a black sleepshade strapped snuggly over her eyes
>>>and upper face. She stands smiling; a long white cane as tall as she rests
>>>easily at her side.)
>>>
>>>The MC steps around to the second student. "Or will it be Simon Brown, 32,
>>>married, a recent veteran of the Iraq War, soon to enter college." (The
>>>screen fills with a well-built young man with a dark, suntanned, skin
>>tone;
>>>standing at military ease, a long white cane as tall as his eyebrows in
>>the
>>>crook of an elbow. His facial expression below the black of the
>>sleepshade
>>>shows the nonchalance of confidence.)
>>>
>>>"But before we show highlights of Patty's and Simon's progress to date,
>>>allow me to set the stage. Twenty-eight days ago twelve fully sighted
>>>participants began the Virtual Blindness Challenge. All agreed to wear
>>>sleepshades, were given the same tools, and taught the same blindness
>>>skill-sets. Ten have been eliminated. The judging is simple--if you don't
>>>excel, you are cut. This challenge is to find the best."
>>>
>>> "Let us take a quick review of Patty's journey in virtual blindness from
>>>that first day, up to this Final Challenge."
>>>
>>>The first scene: Patty is pulling on her sleepshade, a look on her face
>>that
>>>may have said, "I'm not sure what I'm getting myself into, but I'm
>>>committed, I doing this!" Second: the first cane travel lesson; a hesitant
>>>step, uncoordinated probing and swinging of the cane. Third: learning
>>>Braille; writing with a Braille slate and stylus; fingers reading a thick
>>>Braille magazine. Fourth: pouring water from a large pitcher into a small
>>>glass; Fifth: frosting a cake. Sixth: threading a needle with a wire-loop
>>>needle threader; using a sewing machine. Seventh: seated at a computer,
>>the
>>>screen showing what she is typing and a synthesized voice enunciating what
>>>she keys in. "Blindness is doable." Eighth: drilling a board with an
>>>electric hand drill.
>>>
>>>The MC extends the microphone toward her. "Patty, how are you feeling
>>about
>>>your blindness skills? Ready for this Final Challenge?"
>>>
>>>"You bet, Ross, I'm very ready. Just in the past week my ability to
>>pick-up
>>>on echo location has come in strong and now on travel, I can fly!"
>>>
>>>"Now here is Simon's journey in virtual blindness."
>>>
>>>First scene: Simon, face showing quiet self-confidence slips his
>>sleepshade
>>>down over his eyes. Second: cane held steady in his strong grip, he
>>explores
>>>a staircase. Third: inserting a sheet of paper into a Braille slate;
>>reading
>>>a Braille label on a can of soup. Fourth: checking meat on a hot charcoal
>>>grill. Fifth: threading a self-threading needle; hand-sewing a button onto
>>a
>>>man's shirt. Sixth: keying into a laptop, its screen showing a familiar
>>>logo, and from the speakers we hear, "Google." Seventh: Cutting with a
>>>circular saw; sanding a newly built picnic table.
>>>
>>> "Simon, how are you doing? Up for the final cut; ready to take the grand
>>>prize home?"
>>>
>>>"Yes, sir. That's affirmative. And Ross, you once compared this
>>challenge
>>>to military boot camp. I would say, yes, in that both are a form of
>>>preparation, of training the mind, and training muscle memory. But the
>>game
>>>is different; war can kill you, blindness will not. Life goes on and you
>>>just use alternative methods to be successful."
>>>
>>>The camera focuses on the MC handing each of them a Brailled sheet.
>>"Though
>>>the day has just begun, you two have much to do. Here are your last
>>>challenge instructions. Read your challenge and do your best! We'll be
>>>waiting here at the finish line with the grand prizes-winner takes all!
>>And
>>>the clock starts now!"
>>>
>>>The camera zooms to both contestants, seated, intense faces, fingers
>>reading
>>>their instructions.
>>>
>>>The camera follows as both contestants walk down the front steps. Simon
>>>turns right, long strides carrying him swiftly south. Patty turns left,
>>>north, her shorter stride quickening, moving into a trot, cane flashing in
>>>the early morning sun, she begins to run.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Robert Leslie Newman
>>>Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>>>THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>>>Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Writers Division web site:
>>>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>om
>>
>>
>>--
>>kathy millhoff - "Let each morn be better than its eve, and each
>>morrow richer than its yesterday."
>>
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>>
>>Message: 12
>>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:27:07 -0600
>>From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] word to txt?
>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <200903110521.n2B5Ln9Q028860 at smtp.sunflower.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>>wow Robert,
>>never would have seen that! you have to select RTF to get to plain
>>text...sounds like windows programmers had a hand in that!
>>thank you I'll try that.
>>jc
>>
>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>Lawrence, KS
>>
>>At 03:58 PM 3/10/2009, you wrote:
>>>JR
>>>
>>>I too some times will convert a Pesky Word document that has fields or a
>>>table and I don't want to deal with it. So if you are talking about doing
>>>this in Word, the conversion, you can find the TXT by when going into save
>>>as, you tab over to file type and input the letter 4r and that takes you to
>>>the RTF or Rich Text Format and just below it is the option you want- plain
>>>text or TXT And so after you choose it, it will ask you a bunch of
>>>questions, just tab to the end of all them to the ok and press enter.
>>>
>>>
>>>Robert Leslie Newman
>>>Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>>>THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>>>Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Writers Division web site:
>>>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 13
>>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:20:30 -0500
>>From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
>>Subject: [stylist] JAWS and TABLES
>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <105F4728CE004BFF9C1745E699324214 at D78R0TG1>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>>To find the commands that JAWS has in the program window that you are
>>setting in, press JAWS-key (Insert on the Number Pad) and all the JAWS
>>commands for that program will come up, just arrow down and look at them.
>>
>>The table commands for word and JAWS 10 are- (these probably are the same
>>for earlier versions-
>>Select a table control+Insert+t
>>
>>Say the current table column Windows+Period
>>Say the current table row Windows+NumPad5
>>Move to and say the prior table column Windows+LeftArrow
>>Move to and say the next table column Windows+RightArrow
>>Move to and say the prior table row Windows+UpArrow
>>Move to and say the next table row Windows+DownArrow
>>
>>
>>Robert Leslie Newman
>>Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>>THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>>Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:23 PM
>>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] word to txt?
>>
>>Jim,
>>
>>I use Window-Eyes and it has specific keys that help move around in Word
>>tables, and my understanding is that JFW also has such keys. Depending upon
>>the content of your table, these could be very useful or they may not. If
>>you had a table of states and their populations, for example, such keys
>>would allow you to move straight down the column of states and read only the
>>populations that are of interest. There might be a separate key to read the
>>entire table row, which probably would give you the same information as you
>>get when converting it to text. If nobody else can give you more specifics
>>and you are not able to get any information, let me know and I'll try to do
>>more digging by asking some JFW users who might have experience with tables.
>>
>>Please don't misunderstand, I'm not saying there is anything wrong in just
>>getting rid of tables, but you might be able to save a step and possible
>>find them useful in some cases. Also, getting rid of them is not an option
>>if you are working on a Word document with someone else and don't want to
>>change the format.
>>
>>On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:18:42 -0600, James Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
>>
>>>Steve,
>>>please explain, "table reading keys in my screen reader?"
>>>I am using jaws, this is the first have heard of table reading keys.
>>>jc
>>
>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>Lawrence, KS
>>
>>>At 09:34 AM 3/10/2009, you wrote:
>>>>Don't overlook the fact that tables can be your friend. Make sure you
>>>>know the table navigation keys of your screen reader.
>>>>
>>>>You can save a document as text using a "TXT" extension as noted
>>>>below. To do that, use the "Save as" option, and tabbing to the next
>>>>control after the file name which will get you into a list of possible
>>>>file types. There are a couple of text options there as well.
>>>>
>>>>Yet another approach that can work if you are reading someone else's
>>>>document and do not plan to be passing it on to anyone is to convert
>>>>the tables to something else. If you get your cursor within the
>>>>table, you can then go to the Table menu and look for the Convert
>>>>option and pick the Table to Text option. There will be a few
>>>>options. That will let you look at the word document itself but
>>>>without the table.
>>>>
>>>>I hope something here helps.
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:33:06 -0400, Judith Bron wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >When you save it save it with a txt extension. Judith
>>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>>> >From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>> >To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:34 AM
>>>> >Subject: [stylist] word to txt?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> hi list friends,
>>>> >> I've looked through the menu system and didn't see it. where do I
>>>> >> go to get a text output into a file of a word document? I have a
>>>> >> table in word and I hope it will be more understandable in
>>>> >> txt...just guessing thanks jc
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>> >> Lawrence, KS
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> Writers Division web site:
>>>> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>> >> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>> >>
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>>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> stylist:
>>>> >>
>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/jbron%40opto
>>>>nline.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >_______________________________________________
>>>> >Writers Division web site:
>>>> >http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>> ><http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>
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>>>>for stylist:
>>>> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/steve.jaco
>>>>bson%40visi.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Writers Division web site:
>>>>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>><http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>
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>>>>wer.com
>>
>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Writers Division web site:
>>>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>><http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>
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>>>%40visi.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 14
>>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:52:37 -0500
>>From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] JAWS and TABLES
>>To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <049F2A62663F495DA33BA72D955DC5D6 at D3DTZP41>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>reply-type=original
>>
>>Hello Robert:
>>
>> There is a minor problem with your instructions, to get the list of
>>available JAWS commands, press the JAWS-KEY (Insert on the number pad.) and
>>the letter h.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:20 AM
>>Subject: [stylist] JAWS and TABLES
>>
>>
>>>To find the commands that JAWS has in the program window that you are
>>>setting in, press JAWS-key (Insert on the Number Pad) and all the JAWS
>>>commands for that program will come up, just arrow down and look at them.
>>>
>>>The table commands for word and JAWS 10 are- (these probably are the same
>>>for earlier versions-
>>>Select a table control+Insert+t
>>>
>>>Say the current table column Windows+Period
>>>Say the current table row Windows+NumPad5
>>>Move to and say the prior table column Windows+LeftArrow
>>>Move to and say the next table column Windows+RightArrow
>>>Move to and say the prior table row Windows+UpArrow
>>>Move to and say the next table row Windows+DownArrow
>>>
>>>
>>>Robert Leslie Newman
>>>Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>>>THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>>>Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:23 PM
>>>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] word to txt?
>>>
>>>Jim,
>>>
>>>I use Window-Eyes and it has specific keys that help move around in Word
>>>tables, and my understanding is that JFW also has such keys. Depending
>>>upon
>>>the content of your table, these could be very useful or they may not. If
>>>you had a table of states and their populations, for example, such keys
>>>would allow you to move straight down the column of states and read only
>>>the
>>>populations that are of interest. There might be a separate key to read
>>>the
>>>entire table row, which probably would give you the same information as
>>>you
>>>get when converting it to text. If nobody else can give you more
>>>specifics
>>>and you are not able to get any information, let me know and I'll try to
>>>do
>>>more digging by asking some JFW users who might have experience with
>>>tables.
>>>
>>>Please don't misunderstand, I'm not saying there is anything wrong in just
>>>getting rid of tables, but you might be able to save a step and possible
>>>find them useful in some cases. Also, getting rid of them is not an
>>>option
>>>if you are working on a Word document with someone else and don't want to
>>>change the format.
>>>
>>>On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:18:42 -0600, James Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
>>>
>>>>Steve,
>>>>please explain, "table reading keys in my screen reader?"
>>>>I am using jaws, this is the first have heard of table reading keys.
>>>>jc
>>>
>>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>Lawrence, KS
>>>
>>>>At 09:34 AM 3/10/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>Don't overlook the fact that tables can be your friend. Make sure you
>>>>>know the table navigation keys of your screen reader.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can save a document as text using a "TXT" extension as noted
>>>>>below. To do that, use the "Save as" option, and tabbing to the next
>>>>>control after the file name which will get you into a list of possible
>>>>>file types. There are a couple of text options there as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yet another approach that can work if you are reading someone else's
>>>>>document and do not plan to be passing it on to anyone is to convert
>>>>>the tables to something else. If you get your cursor within the
>>>>>table, you can then go to the Table menu and look for the Convert
>>>>>option and pick the Table to Text option. There will be a few
>>>>>options. That will let you look at the word document itself but
>>>>>without the table.
>>>>>
>>>>>I hope something here helps.
>>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:33:06 -0400, Judith Bron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >When you save it save it with a txt extension. Judith
>>>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>> >To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:34 AM
>>>>> >Subject: [stylist] word to txt?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >> hi list friends,
>>>>> >> I've looked through the menu system and didn't see it. where do I
>>>>> >> go to get a text output into a file of a word document? I have a
>>>>> >> table in word and I hope it will be more understandable in
>>>>> >> txt...just guessing thanks jc
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>> >> Lawrence, KS
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> Writers Division web site:
>>>>> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>> >> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> stylist mailing list
>>>>> >> stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>>>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>> >> for
>>>>> >> stylist:
>>>>> >>
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/jbron%40opto
>>>>>nline.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >_______________________________________________
>>>>> >Writers Division web site:
>>>>> >http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>> ><http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> >stylist mailing list
>>>>> >stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>>> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>>>>> >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>for stylist:
>>>>> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/steve.jaco
>>>>>bson%40visi.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Writers Division web site:
>>>>>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>><http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>stylist mailing list
>>>>>stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>stylist:
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/n6yr%40sunflo
>>>>>wer.com
>>>
>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Writers Division web site:
>>>>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>><http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>
>>>>stylist mailing list
>>>>stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>stylist:
>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson
>>>>%40visi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Writers Division web site:
>>>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>
>>>stylist mailing list
>>>stylist at nfbnet.org
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>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Writers Division web site:
>>>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>
>>>stylist mailing list
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>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 15
>>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:27:45 -0700
>>From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] JAWS and TABLES
>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <24721F47F10246E7BE751DD6B46D3A29 at angelab>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>Its insert+f1, isn't it?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Robert Newman
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:21 AM
>>To: 'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>Subject: [stylist] JAWS and TABLES
>>
>>To find the commands that JAWS has in the program window that you are
>>setting in, press JAWS-key (Insert on the Number Pad) and all the JAWS
>>commands for that program will come up, just arrow down and look at them.
>>
>>The table commands for word and JAWS 10 are- (these probably are the same
>>for earlier versions- Select a table control+Insert+t
>>
>>Say the current table column Windows+Period Say the current table row
>>Windows+NumPad5 Move to and say the prior table column Windows+LeftArrow
>>Move to and say the next table column Windows+RightArrow Move to and say the
>>prior table row Windows+UpArrow Move to and say the next table row
>>Windows+DownArrow
>>
>>
>>Robert Leslie Newman
>>Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>>THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>>Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:23 PM
>>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] word to txt?
>>
>>Jim,
>>
>>I use Window-Eyes and it has specific keys that help move around in Word
>>tables, and my understanding is that JFW also has such keys. Depending upon
>>the content of your table, these could be very useful or they may not. If
>>you had a table of states and their populations, for example, such keys
>>would allow you to move straight down the column of states and read only the
>>populations that are of interest. There might be a separate key to read the
>>entire table row, which probably would give you the same information as you
>>get when converting it to text. If nobody else can give you more specifics
>>and you are not able to get any information, let me know and I'll try to do
>>more digging by asking some JFW users who might have experience with tables.
>>
>>Please don't misunderstand, I'm not saying there is anything wrong in just
>>getting rid of tables, but you might be able to save a step and possible
>>find them useful in some cases. Also, getting rid of them is not an option
>>if you are working on a Word document with someone else and don't want to
>>change the format.
>>
>>On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:18:42 -0600, James Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
>>
>>>Steve,
>>>please explain, "table reading keys in my screen reader?"
>>>I am using jaws, this is the first have heard of table reading keys.
>>>jc
>>
>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>Lawrence, KS
>>
>>>At 09:34 AM 3/10/2009, you wrote:
>>>>Don't overlook the fact that tables can be your friend. Make sure you
>>>>know the table navigation keys of your screen reader.
>>>>
>>>>You can save a document as text using a "TXT" extension as noted
>>>>below. To do that, use the "Save as" option, and tabbing to the next
>>>>control after the file name which will get you into a list of possible
>>>>file types. There are a couple of text options there as well.
>>>>
>>>>Yet another approach that can work if you are reading someone else's
>>>>document and do not plan to be passing it on to anyone is to convert
>>>>the tables to something else. If you get your cursor within the
>>>>table, you can then go to the Table menu and look for the Convert
>>>>option and pick the Table to Text option. There will be a few
>>>>options. That will let you look at the word document itself but
>>>>without the table.
>>>>
>>>>I hope something here helps.
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:33:06 -0400, Judith Bron wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >When you save it save it with a txt extension. Judith
>>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>>> >From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>> >To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:34 AM
>>>> >Subject: [stylist] word to txt?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> hi list friends,
>>>> >> I've looked through the menu system and didn't see it. where do I
>>>> >> go to get a text output into a file of a word document? I have a
>>>> >> table in word and I hope it will be more understandable in
>>>> >> txt...just guessing thanks jc
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>> >> Lawrence, KS
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> Writers Division web site:
>>>> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>> >> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> stylist mailing list
>>>> >> stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> stylist:
>>>> >>
>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/jbron%40opto
>>>>nline.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >_______________________________________________
>>>> >Writers Division web site:
>>>> >http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>> ><http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>
>>>> >stylist mailing list
>>>> >stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>>>> >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>for stylist:
>>>> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/steve.jaco
>>>>bson%40visi.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Writers Division web site:
>>>>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>><http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>
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>>>>stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>stylist:
>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/n6yr%40sunflo
>>>>wer.com
>>
>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Writers Division web site:
>>>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>><http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>
>>>stylist mailing list
>>>stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>stylist:
>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson
>>>%40visi.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Writers Division web site:
>>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>
>>stylist mailing list
>>stylist at nfbnet.org
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>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Writers Division web site:
>>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>
>>stylist mailing list
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 16
>>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:29:41 -0400
>>From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual
>>BlindnessChallenge: The Reality Show
>>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <000d01c9a25e$329152a0$3402a8c0 at dell5150>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>>reply-type=original
>>
>>I think the concept is good but I have a problem with it. On the one hand
>>we want others to think that being blind is a sightless state but otherwise
>>we are equal to the sighted world. On the other we want the world to know
>>just how difficult it is being visually challenged . Exactly what is it we
>>want people to believe?
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Williams"
>><justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>>To: "'NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:27 PM
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual
>>BlindnessChallenge: The Reality Show
>>
>>
>>>I like the concept, because it makes others aware about just hoe difficult
>>>it is to master the art of blindness; if it can really be mastered.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Kathleen Millhoff
>>>Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 6:55 AM
>>>To: NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual Blindness
>>>Challenge: The Reality Show
>>>
>>>On 3/9/09, Robert Newman <newmanrl at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>Fellow writers: Check out this latest THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is one of my
>>>>favorites.
>>>>
>>>>RE: The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show
>>>>
>>>>Here is my 143rd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a reality show. Fully sighted
>>>>contestants agree to forgo their sight and learn blindness skills. There
>>>are
>>>>challenges, winners and losers. Have a read and tell us what you think;
>>>>is
>>>>there value in this shows concept? If you have not read the PROVOKER, it
>>>>follows. Recall that I collect responses and post them upon my web site
>>>for
>>>>all the WWW to read and learn from and that URL is-
>>>>Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/> If you wish
>>>to
>>>>receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and ask,
>>>>at-
>>>>newmanrl at cox.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>THOUGHT PROVOKER 143
>>>>The Virtual Blindness Challenge:
>>>>The Reality Show
>>>>
>>>>"Welcome to The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show! (On
>>>>screen
>>>a
>>>>tall dark-haired man stands, long white cane in one hand, cordless
>>>>microphone in the other.) This is Final Challenge Day of week four, the
>>>>final test. In today's challenge our remaining two students will have
>>>their
>>>>final faceoff. The one to successfully complete their challenge
>>>>assignment
>>>>first will win the grand prize of $10,000. Will it be Patty Hartman,
>>>>twenty-six-years old, a single mother, and unemployed?" (The screen shows
>>>a
>>>>petit blonde woman with a black sleepshade strapped snuggly over her eyes
>>>>and upper face. She stands smiling; a long white cane as tall as she
>>>>rests
>>>>easily at her side.)
>>>>
>>>>The MC steps around to the second student. "Or will it be Simon Brown,
>>>>32,
>>>>married, a recent veteran of the Iraq War, soon to enter college." (The
>>>>screen fills with a well-built young man with a dark, suntanned, skin
>>>tone;
>>>>standing at military ease, a long white cane as tall as his eyebrows in
>>>the
>>>>crook of an elbow. His facial expression below the black of the
>>>sleepshade
>>>>shows the nonchalance of confidence.)
>>>>
>>>>"But before we show highlights of Patty's and Simon's progress to date,
>>>>allow me to set the stage. Twenty-eight days ago twelve fully sighted
>>>>participants began the Virtual Blindness Challenge. All agreed to wear
>>>>sleepshades, were given the same tools, and taught the same blindness
>>>>skill-sets. Ten have been eliminated. The judging is simple--if you don't
>>>>excel, you are cut. This challenge is to find the best."
>>>>
>>>> "Let us take a quick review of Patty's journey in virtual blindness from
>>>>that first day, up to this Final Challenge."
>>>>
>>>>The first scene: Patty is pulling on her sleepshade, a look on her face
>>>that
>>>>may have said, "I'm not sure what I'm getting myself into, but I'm
>>>>committed, I doing this!" Second: the first cane travel lesson; a
>>>>hesitant
>>>>step, uncoordinated probing and swinging of the cane. Third: learning
>>>>Braille; writing with a Braille slate and stylus; fingers reading a thick
>>>>Braille magazine. Fourth: pouring water from a large pitcher into a small
>>>>glass; Fifth: frosting a cake. Sixth: threading a needle with a wire-loop
>>>>needle threader; using a sewing machine. Seventh: seated at a computer,
>>>the
>>>>screen showing what she is typing and a synthesized voice enunciating
>>>>what
>>>>she keys in. "Blindness is doable." Eighth: drilling a board with an
>>>>electric hand drill.
>>>>
>>>>The MC extends the microphone toward her. "Patty, how are you feeling
>>>about
>>>>your blindness skills? Ready for this Final Challenge?"
>>>>
>>>>"You bet, Ross, I'm very ready. Just in the past week my ability to
>>>pick-up
>>>>on echo location has come in strong and now on travel, I can fly!"
>>>>
>>>>"Now here is Simon's journey in virtual blindness."
>>>>
>>>>First scene: Simon, face showing quiet self-confidence slips his
>>>sleepshade
>>>>down over his eyes. Second: cane held steady in his strong grip, he
>>>explores
>>>>a staircase. Third: inserting a sheet of paper into a Braille slate;
>>>reading
>>>>a Braille label on a can of soup. Fourth: checking meat on a hot charcoal
>>>>grill. Fifth: threading a self-threading needle; hand-sewing a button
>>>>onto
>>>a
>>>>man's shirt. Sixth: keying into a laptop, its screen showing a familiar
>>>>logo, and from the speakers we hear, "Google." Seventh: Cutting with a
>>>>circular saw; sanding a newly built picnic table.
>>>>
>>>> "Simon, how are you doing? Up for the final cut; ready to take the grand
>>>>prize home?"
>>>>
>>>>"Yes, sir. That's affirmative. And Ross, you once compared this
>>>challenge
>>>>to military boot camp. I would say, yes, in that both are a form of
>>>>preparation, of training the mind, and training muscle memory. But the
>>>game
>>>>is different; war can kill you, blindness will not. Life goes on and you
>>>>just use alternative methods to be successful."
>>>>
>>>>The camera focuses on the MC handing each of them a Brailled sheet.
>>>"Though
>>>>the day has just begun, you two have much to do. Here are your last
>>>>challenge instructions. Read your challenge and do your best! We'll be
>>>>waiting here at the finish line with the grand prizes-winner takes all!
>>>And
>>>>the clock starts now!"
>>>>
>>>>The camera zooms to both contestants, seated, intense faces, fingers
>>>reading
>>>>their instructions.
>>>>
>>>>The camera follows as both contestants walk down the front steps. Simon
>>>>turns right, long strides carrying him swiftly south. Patty turns left,
>>>>north, her shorter stride quickening, moving into a trot, cane flashing
>>>>in
>>>>the early morning sun, she begins to run.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Robert Leslie Newman
>>>>Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>>>>THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>>>>Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>>>
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