[stylist] question

Thu Mar 26 02:39:12 UTC 2009

Only if you let their ignorance get to you.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
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> Paternalism is pervasive, sometimes we don't even know its occurring. From
> the airport personnel who insist we ride on the cart to the person who 
> seems
> amazed when we walk across a room without banging into a wall. Its what I
> call the "You can conquer the world, but you can't cross a street" 
> attitude,
> and it has a detrimental psychological effect on many of us.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of James Canaday M.A. N6YR
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:59 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] question
>
> you're confusing the point.  paternalism is always bad and something we
> blind often suffer.  circumlocution  taught by these sighted professors 
> only
> serves to promote it.
> I don't want or need their word game protection.
> jc
>
> Jim Canaday M.A.
> Lawrence, KS
>
> At 03:22 PM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>>Why would adults need paternalism?  A handicapped person knows what
>>their handicap is.  Either these omnipotent people can help us get on
>>with our lives or save their parental instincts for their own children.
>>If their kids have to put up with these kinds of superiority complexes
>>I pity them. Judith
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR"
>><n6yr at sunflower.com>
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>>>it teaches the average person that we are weak and need protecting.
>>>that they know better than we do what we need, that's the definition
>>>of paternalism and labeling us that way pushes paternalism.
>>>jc
>>>
>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>Lawrence, KS
>>>
>>>At 10:31 AM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>>>>It only affects us if our life's goal is changing the world.  I gave
>>>>up on that decades ago.
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR"
>>>><n6yr at sunflower.com>
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>>>>
>>>>>well it actually harms us by pushing a notion that circumlocution
>>>>>helps us, that we need protection from the simple concept of
>>>>>blindness.  the the stark reality of the simple word "blind"
>>>>>harms us and we sensitive weak people need the big strong educrats
>>>>>and professors to come along and fix it for us.
>>>>>baaah.
>>>>>jc
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>>Lawrence, KS
>>>>>
>>>>>At 06:47 AM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>>The labeling of groups according to some falsely researched
>>>>>>sociologists is for the sake of those who aren't a part of the
>>>>>>group being labelled. When New York State labeled the blind
>>>>>>visually impaired I'm sure the State Assembly felt fuzzy and warm.
>>>>>>After all, they just lifted a labeling burden from those who were
>>>>>>blind.  However, no blind person saw better with their eyes, got a
>>>>>>higher grade at school or got a job faster because some bureaucrat
>>>>>>had to feel that they had done something very benevolent towards a
>>>>>>charitable group that was waiting for them to be benevolent so that
>>>>>>the targetted group could have a better life. Bureaucracies have
>>>>>>done this with a lot of minorities.  But they are too stupid, or
>>>>>>self centered to notice that their actions are as useful as
>>>>>>spitting in the ocean.  Judith
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR"
>>>>>><n6yr at sunflower.com>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>sadly,
>>>>>>>many of the terms, particularly "visually impaired"  have been
>>>>>>>promoted by paternalistic researchers/professors.  I knew one at
>>>>>>>kansas university. had all kinds of publications, teaching that
>>>>>>>circumlocution actually helped us blind, and when we disagreed she
>>>>>>>dismissed our protests.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>if white professors published and insisted upon how blacks should
>>>>>>>be labeled, how long would that last?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>unfortunately I had to take a class as a grad student from that
>>>>>>>crone. crone is a technical term.
>>>>>>>she never accepted that we blind people accepted the term and
>>>>>>>chose it for ourselves.
>>>>>>>jc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>>Lawrence, KS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>At 01:45 PM 3/24/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>John, The reality, as much as you disagree, is that being sighted
>>>>>>>>is better than being blind.  Terms like "visually impaired",
>>>>>>>>"Visually challenged" or any of the like are legislated terms.  I
>>>>>>>>can't see any better or worse when a bureaucrat describes my
>>>>>>>>visual limitations.  I am what I am.  Like I said before, I have
>>>>>>>>to take those limitations, do the best I can to do what I am
>>>>>>>>capable of and continue striving to be the best me I can be.  I
>>>>>>>>don't care how society looks at my limitations. And, yes, they
>>>>>>>>are limitations.  I have to be the one to deal with them. Almost
>>>>>>>>every person in this world has limitations. Some can create
>>>>>>>>beautiful artwork, some can't.  Some can write beautifully, some
>>>>>>>>can't put together a cognizant statement either verbally or in
>>>>>>>>writing.  Some have athletic prowess while others are happy being
>>>>>>>>couch potatoes.  Some love to eat while others are skinny and
>>>>>>>>physically fit their entire life.  All "problems", all
>>>>>>>>"limitations" when put in the perspective of the optimum and
>>>>>>>>people all over the world live with them every day. When was the
>>>>>>>>last time you heard of the "art impaired" person? Or the person
>>>>>>>>who can't sing one note without causing distress to the other
>>>>>>>>person's eardrums?  Are there cultures for the tone deaf?  The
>>>>>>>>person who can't draw a straight line?  John, deal with John.
>>>>>>>>Society has enough problems. As a society we have a lot to deal
>>>>>>>>with, but making John socially comfortable isn't one of them.
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lee Clark"
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>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:56 PM
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Lori:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I love the words blind and deaf.  I abhor anything with impaired in
> it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Although the definition of blind may say one who cannot see, and
>>>>>>>>>that's a negative description, we still have the opportunity to
>>>>>>>>>neutralize the word itself and have it convey something else
>>>>>>>>>entirely, into something that's cool.  Same with deaf.  We can
>>>>>>>>>take it and turn it around, and associate it with culture,
>>>>>>>>>pride, ASL, all sorts of great and positive things.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>But you can't neutralize and turn around a term like sight
>>>>>>>>>impaired. Tthat term does two very bad, bad, bad things.  First,
>>>>>>>>>it implies that sight is the ideal, that it's right, and what we
>>>>>>>>>SHOULD have, and that if we don't have it, we SHOULD want it.
>>>>>>>>>This is society talking, "Sight is better."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Second, the term implies that we're broken or we're short of the
>>>>>>>>>ideal, or we've fallen from the grace of what society says is
>>>>>>>>>normal.  This is very bad, bad, bad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Does NFB merely "prefer" the word blind?  It shouldn't.  it
>>>>>>>>>should embrace it absolutely.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>
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