[stylist] consternation! and befuddlement!<sp>

Angela fowler fowlers at syix.com
Fri Mar 27 20:52:34 UTC 2009 

John, I'd like to hear some of your thoughts on that. 

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Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:12 AM
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Judith:

I "see" no problems with a blind realtor.  In fact, it could be made into a
whole wheelbarrow full of creative advantages.  

I'm already thinking of many cool ways to draw people in, many great jokes
and sound bites, and killer interactive sales pitches where you get the
visitors involved in the inspecting of the property in a totally new and
cool way!

Blind realtors rule!

John

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Blind realtor?  Don't know about that one.  A realtor has to get to the
property they are representing, show it to perspective buyers or renters and

know visually what he is showing.  All of us are capable of getting around
our homes, but a realtor has to get around hundreds of properties.  It is
relatively easy for all of us to say blindness is no big deal, we've been
dealing with it for years.  However, someone who just became blind is
scared.  I understand.  I've had to do it.  It's not easy.  Judith
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From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
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> Frank,
> I don't think blindness is a severe disability, for one thing because 
> there are more intense disabling conditions.
> in 2000 I acquired congestive heart failure, and it got much worse 
> through

> 2004.  you want disablement, there ya' go.  there is nothing like 
> cardiac fatigue, it is mental and physical.  and I couldn't walk 
> around the block at the worst.
>
> blindness by itself doesn't prevent us  from doing many things.  and 
> some the goal can be achieved through alternative means.
> you are right, blindness shapes who we each are as persons.  it might 
> make

> more difference that way than hair color or height.  but blindness has 
> good and bad effects, brings strengths and inabilities.
>
> I know you are hanging on to your limited vision.  but you have not 
> been taught the blindness methods, have you?
> at least from my experience I think if you tried some of them you 
> would appreciate them and find you could accomplish more.
> btw, kudos for your independent life and work.
> would you answer a question I have Frank: with your very low vision, 
> how does that interact with being a realtor?  do you or anybody else 
> know any blind realtors?
> jc
>
> Jim Canaday M.A.
> Lawrence, KS
>
> At 05:08 PM 3/26/2009, you wrote:
>
>>Pardon but i'm still hugely confused.     Blindness is not a sever 
>>disability?    I guess that boils down to what you mean by disability.
>>
>>
>>For me, can i function with my poor sight?  yes has it been a major 
>>factor in making me who i am today?  yes Have i adapted?  yes
>>
>>If a surgeon offered me a safe ethical procedure to repair all damage 
>>and give me 20/20 vision, would i take it?  Good grief yes!
>>
>>
>>--- On Thu, 3/26/09, helene ryles <dreamavdb at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: helene ryles <dreamavdb at googlemail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] Does anyone want to be blind?
>> > To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 11:43 AM Judith and Alan:
>> > Thanks for the advise. Dad was better then he was last year, but 
>> > there is still a long way to go. I've accepted blindness.
>> >
>> > Yes, I think doctor's have got it wrong. I think that they see 
>> > blindness as something to be cured from (if possible) because their 
>> > perseption of blindness is of a severe disability which it isn't. 
>> > With the right kind of training a blind person only has a minor 
>> > disability not a severe one.
>> >
>> > Say take a child who is born with ROP who has EVERYTHING done to 
>> > save what little vision they've got. They spend their childhood 
>> > struggling with very severe sight loss but since the parents put 
>> > such a lot of effort into saving that little sight, they want the 
>> > child to be as 'normal' as possible which means no braille, no no 
>> > cane. That kid is relying on their weakest sense. Then their retina 
>> > detaches itself completely. They are no longer at the stage where 
>> > braille can be learnt quite as easily. They are say in 11th grade 
>> > and are supposed to be studying but now they have this problem of 
>> > not being able use vision any more. Having to learn braille by 
>> > touch. Having to learn long cane, all that on top of studying. If 
>> > they fail then they might blame this on the sight lose, but that 
>> > wouldn't be true. They failed because the family and their doctor 
>> > clung too much on their sight. So once it went. Their whole way of 
>> > life went too.
>> >
>> > If Their parents hadn't done that. Hadn't spent so much time and 
>> > effort at the eye doctors to make the child have better vision. Put 
>> > all that effort into learning braille, long cane, daily living 
>> > etc...
>> > They really wouldn't have needed to fail.
>> >
>> > Of course a 3rd option could have been to have the best of both 
>> > worlds. But that's another problem. The fact that so few low vision 
>> > kids learn braille or other blind skills.
>> >
>> > Helene.
>> >
>> > On 26/03/2009, Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
>> > wrote:
>> > > Perhaps we should be sending this thread to doctors.
>> > As medical
>> > > professionals they are committed to saving as much
>> > sight as possible.
>> > > According to this thread some of their treatments and
>> > procedures are wrong.
>> > > Do any of us have the right to tell them not to do
>> > what they strive to do?
>> > > Judith
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR"
>> > <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>> > > To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing
>> > List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:29 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] Does anyone want to be blind?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> yes,
>> > >> reading with my one squinty eye gave me headaches
>> > too.
>> > >> personally I think far far too often the educrats
>> > resort to "sight saving"
>> > >>
>> > >> techniques when they should push braille and other
>> > blindness methods and
>> > >> skills.
>> > >> jc
>> > >>
>> > >> Jim Canaday M.A.
>> > >> Lawrence, KS
>> > >>
>> > >> At 07:06 PM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>> > >>>Jim: I can identify with that since I was glad
>> > to lose the rest of my
>> > >>>hearing for similar reasons. Being presurized
>> > into verbal
>> > >>>communication methods that I struggled with
>> > with powerful migrane
>> > >>>inducing hearing aids. Phew! I was glad when
>> > that was over.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Helene
>> > >>>
>> > >>>On 26/03/2009, James Canaday M.A.  N6YR
>> > <n6yr at sunflower.com> wrote:
>> > >>> > once I became blind I was then taught
>> > braille and the audio reading
>> > >>> > methods.  that made reading much much
>> > more pleasurable and
>> > >>> > easier!  "sight saving" meant I
>> > was reading with my one squinty eye
>> > >>> > peering through jewelers' loop
>> > magnification lenses that came down in
>> > >>> > front of my glasses lense.  I would not
>> > have gone to college if I had
>> > >>> > not lost my sight at age thirteen.
>> > >>> > jc
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Jim Canaday M.A.
>> > >>> > Lawrence, KS
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > At 06:38 PM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>> > >>> >>I wasn't really thinking of people
>> > already blind although I've heard
>> > >>> >>of blind people saying that blindness
>> > was the best thing that happened
>> > >>> >>to them. Wasn't that a line at the
>> > end of one of Robert's thought
>> > >>> >>provokers?
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>I was thinking more of sighted people
>> > with a disorder called BIID
>> > >>> >>where people want to be disabled:
>> > Usually amputee's but I've heard
>> > >>> >>some of them wanting to be deaf or
>> > blind.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>Also I know of someone who was born
>> > blind, regained his sight and is
>> > >>> >>now losing it again due to Glycoma and
>> > he says he is glad to be blind
>> > >>> >>as he says he was meant to be blind.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>As for me, I make deafblindness part
>> > of my lifestyle. It's been a
>> > >>> >>concious choice for me to fully
>> > embrace being a deafblind person and
>> > >>> >>move on. It's not easy to begin
>> > with, but once one fully adapts it's
>> > >>> >>no big deal. I believe that humans are
>> > a very adaptible species that
>> > >>> >>can manage perfectly well minus one or
>> > two senses. It's not the
>> > >>> >>tragedy that people make of it.
>> > It's no worse or better then being
>> > >>> >>sighted. Just differance and it's
>> > the differances that are hard at
>> > >>> >>first, not the blindness
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>Helene
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>On 25/03/2009, LoriStay at aol.com
>> > <LoriStay at aol.com> wrote:
>> > >>> >> > Not if they aren't there
>> > already.   What does wanting have to do
>> > >>> >> > with
>> > >>> >> > it?
>> > >>> >> > Lori
>> > >>> >> > In a message dated 3/24/09
>> > 8:15:48 PM, timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com
>> > >>> >> > writes:
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >> does anyone want to be
>> > blind?
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > **************
>> > >>> >> > Feeling the pinch at the grocery
>> > store?  Make dinner for $10 or
>> > >>> >> > less.
>> > (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
>> > >>> >> >
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