[stylist] reading lips

[helene ryles]

Barbara: That sounds really good. Does that include your twins? Do
they use tactile baby signs. I've read an article about tactile baby
signs for blind babies. I read an interesting article about it once
which I linked but unfortunately it's a dud link now.

Helene

On 17/11/2009, helene ryles <dreamavdb at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Judith: Profoundly deaf doesn't always mean totally deaf. Some
> profoundly deaf can hear environmental noises with powerful hearing
> aids. I could if I chose as I do have some hearing in my right ear,
> but I also have recruitment so I choose to use a vibrating device to
> alert me to noise instead.
> My friend who is profoundly deaf who does lipread does say that a lot
> of her childhood was taken over with speach therapy and she was denied
> signing. She learnt to sign as an adult and she feels she has
> benifited a lot from learning to sign.
> She had a brother who is also profoundly deaf. They tried to get him
> to speak and lip read for 5 years before giving it up as a lost cause
> and sending him to deaf school.
> She teaches at a deaf school so she also gets a lot of kids who come
> to her having failed lipreading who weren't taught sign language and
> can't write either.
>
> I have nothing against deaf learning to lipread. I'm for a full tool
> box apraoch. Learn everything that's going and drop whatever isn't so
> useful later on. You would need to understand deaf history of how so
> many deaf were denied signing in an effort to force them to speak.
> That includes corprol punishement too when oralism was at it's hight,
> and they really did try to force deafblind to understand speech using
> the tandoma method. As a result of that it's gone completely wheras I
> think it may have been useful for me when I stopped being able to
> lipread visually, instead of giving me mega powerful hearing aids
> which are responsible for my aversion to noise as an adult.
>
> Helene
>
> On 17/11/2009, Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net> wrote:
>> A friend of my friend's daughter is profoundly deaf.  She was born that
>> way.
>> She is best friends with my friend's daughter who never had this
>> disability.
>> One day I was in the library (don't ask me why) and I heard, "Mrs. Bron."
>> I
>> looked around and this girl saw me looking and said, "It's Channah.  I'm
>> over here."  I heard where she was and went over to her. I was able to
>> say
>> hello, how are you etc and she understood me.  She said, "I'm here for a
>> class project."  This girl, now married with her own family, had been
>> mainstreamed as a small child and did very well in school.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "helene ryles" <dreamavdb at googlemail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] reading lips
>>
>>
>> Lori,
>> You are right that for a completely deaf person to rely exclusively on
>> lipreading is not realistic. Most people who lipreading do have
>> hearing although some have very little of it. I know a woman with a
>> profound loss who lipreads but she says without her hearing aids she
>> can't lipread so well. That's because only about 20 per cent of what
>> is said can be seen on the lips. HOH people can combine their limited
>> hearing with lipreading skills so they can be quite good at it but
>> most lipreaders do have some useful hearing to go by.
>>
>> As for teaching hearing children signing, there is something called
>> baby signs. Some parents of hearing babies have found that their
>> babies can learn to communicate through sign before they learn through
>> speach. I'm all for it.
>>
>> There is another way for a deaf and a hearing child to communicate
>> though and that is via pen and paper.
>>
>> Helene
>>
>> On 17/11/2009, LoriStay at aol.com <LoriStay at aol.com> wrote:
>>> An option is the way to go.   I took two sign courses at Helen Keller
>>> (National Center for the Deaf/blind), but because I have no place to
>>> practice,
>>> had to let it go.
>>> Lori
>>> In a message dated 11/16/09 6:12:26 PM, jbron at optonline.net writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I feel badly that not all deaf people can read lips. However, should we
>>>> make sign language a mandatory course for all American students? I
>>>> don't
>>>> think so. You can have it available as an option, but it shouldn't be
>>>> mandatory.
>>>>
>>>
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