[stylist] reading lips

Wed Nov 18 04:32:13 UTC 2009

Seven and a half.
Barbara
Snow is God's way of reminding us that beauty can be found even in the 
coldest hearts.

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From: "helene ryles" <dreamavdb at googlemail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:52 PM
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] reading lips

> Barbara: That sounds good. I know a few deafblind parents who have all
> their kids signing to them in tactile sign language, Including  a
> deafblind mother of a deafblind son. I think he has a head start on
> most deafblind kids since she will have been signing right from the
> start. He seems to be doing really well too.
> How old are your twins?
>
> Helene
>
> On 17/11/2009, Barbara Hammel <poetlori8 at msn.com> wrote:
>> I only have the twins.
>> And the funny thing is that the one who uses them assumes that no one can
>> see.  Because he always has to take my hands and show me, he takes
>> everyone's hands.
>> Barbara
>>
>> Snow is God's way of reminding us that beauty can be found even in the
>> coldest hearts.
>>
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>> From: "helene ryles" <dreamavdb at googlemail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:58 PM
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] reading lips
>>
>>> Barbara: That sounds really good. Does that include your twins? Do
>>> they use tactile baby signs. I've read an article about tactile baby
>>> signs for blind babies. I read an interesting article about it once
>>> which I linked but unfortunately it's a dud link now.
>>>
>>> Helene
>>>
>>> On 17/11/2009, helene ryles <dreamavdb at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> Judith: Profoundly deaf doesn't always mean totally deaf. Some
>>>> profoundly deaf can hear environmental noises with powerful hearing
>>>> aids. I could if I chose as I do have some hearing in my right ear,
>>>> but I also have recruitment so I choose to use a vibrating device to
>>>> alert me to noise instead.
>>>> My friend who is profoundly deaf who does lipread does say that a lot
>>>> of her childhood was taken over with speach therapy and she was denied
>>>> signing. She learnt to sign as an adult and she feels she has
>>>> benifited a lot from learning to sign.
>>>> She had a brother who is also profoundly deaf. They tried to get him
>>>> to speak and lip read for 5 years before giving it up as a lost cause
>>>> and sending him to deaf school.
>>>> She teaches at a deaf school so she also gets a lot of kids who come
>>>> to her having failed lipreading who weren't taught sign language and
>>>> can't write either.
>>>>
>>>> I have nothing against deaf learning to lipread. I'm for a full tool
>>>> box apraoch. Learn everything that's going and drop whatever isn't so
>>>> useful later on. You would need to understand deaf history of how so
>>>> many deaf were denied signing in an effort to force them to speak.
>>>> That includes corprol punishement too when oralism was at it's hight,
>>>> and they really did try to force deafblind to understand speech using
>>>> the tandoma method. As a result of that it's gone completely wheras I
>>>> think it may have been useful for me when I stopped being able to
>>>> lipread visually, instead of giving me mega powerful hearing aids
>>>> which are responsible for my aversion to noise as an adult.
>>>>
>>>> Helene
>>>>
>>>> On 17/11/2009, Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>> A friend of my friend's daughter is profoundly deaf.  She was born 
>>>>> that
>>>>> way.
>>>>> She is best friends with my friend's daughter who never had this
>>>>> disability.
>>>>> One day I was in the library (don't ask me why) and I heard, "Mrs.
>>>>> Bron."
>>>>> I
>>>>> looked around and this girl saw me looking and said, "It's Channah. 
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> over here."  I heard where she was and went over to her. I was able to
>>>>> say
>>>>> hello, how are you etc and she understood me.  She said, "I'm here for 
>>>>> a
>>>>> class project."  This girl, now married with her own family, had been
>>>>> mainstreamed as a small child and did very well in school.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "helene ryles" <dreamavdb at googlemail.com>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] reading lips
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lori,
>>>>> You are right that for a completely deaf person to rely exclusively on
>>>>> lipreading is not realistic. Most people who lipreading do have
>>>>> hearing although some have very little of it. I know a woman with a
>>>>> profound loss who lipreads but she says without her hearing aids she
>>>>> can't lipread so well. That's because only about 20 per cent of what
>>>>> is said can be seen on the lips. HOH people can combine their limited
>>>>> hearing with lipreading skills so they can be quite good at it but
>>>>> most lipreaders do have some useful hearing to go by.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for teaching hearing children signing, there is something called
>>>>> baby signs. Some parents of hearing babies have found that their
>>>>> babies can learn to communicate through sign before they learn through
>>>>> speach. I'm all for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is another way for a deaf and a hearing child to communicate
>>>>> though and that is via pen and paper.
>>>>>
>>>>> Helene
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17/11/2009, LoriStay at aol.com <LoriStay at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> An option is the way to go.   I took two sign courses at Helen Keller
>>>>>> (National Center for the Deaf/blind), but because I have no place to
>>>>>> practice,
>>>>>> had to let it go.
>>>>>> Lori
>>>>>> In a message dated 11/16/09 6:12:26 PM, jbron at optonline.net writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel badly that not all deaf people can read lips. However, should
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> make sign language a mandatory course for all American students? I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> think so. You can have it available as an option, but it shouldn't 
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> mandatory.
>>>>>>>
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