[stylist] optogon

Thu Nov 19 18:03:32 UTC 2009

Atty,
I used an opticon to read with although I never could get any speed up
in my reading even though I practiced every day. You do have to put a
lot of effort into training if you want to get anywhere at all with
these machines. I'm sad that they are not made any more. I believe
some blind took to them, and some didn't. I gather you are one of the
ones who didn't.

Helene

On 19/11/2009, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
> I learned that machine as a junior in high-school. It used little prickling
> points to make the letters.
>
> Not practical.
>
> I meant I couldn't imagine trying to read lips.
>
> I'd love to get my hands on a KM read, I think that is what they are called!
>
> I guess I'd rather have something you can carry around that reads braille
> like a notetaker or packmate or something to that effect. How handy that
> would be! They are just way too expensive for me.
>
>
> Atty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "helene ryles" <dreamavdb at googlemail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Reading Lips
>
>
>> Hi Atty,
>> An opticon is a machine that used to exist that turned print into
>> tactile print so having no sight at all wouldn't have prevented you
>> from learning how to use it. However, it did take a lot of practice.
>> Some people mastered it. Unfortunately it is no longer been made since
>> reading machines are so much smaller.
>>
>> If a parent of a blind child put as much effort into teaching their
>> blind children the opticon as some parents of deaf children put into
>> teaching their children how to read lips then I'm sure more most blind
>> kids would pick it up eventually. I think they did teach them with
>> opticon routinely in italy.
>>
>> However, would it have been right to deprive the blind child of
>> braille in favor of the opticon, just so they could read print? It's
>> what some parents and educators of deaf children were doing.
>>
>> Helene.
>>
>> On 18/11/2009, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> When I started going blind I couldn't even see mouths. So it sure
>>> wouldn't
>>> have helped me one bit if I'd needed to rely on something like that for
>>> comunication.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing,
>>> Atty
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "helene ryles" <dreamavdb at googlemail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 12:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Reading Lips
>>>
>>>
>>>> Atty,
>>>> Do you realise that reading lips for a deaf person is like a totally
>>>> blind person getting by just by reading print on an opticon. It takes
>>>> about as much effort and their is probably just as much guess work
>>>> involved.
>>>>
>>>> As someone who was born HOH (now profoundly deaf) I always miss not
>>>> being taught how to sign.
>>>>
>>>> Helene
>>>>
>>>> On 17/11/2009, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> I would say that reading lips is a literacy issue for deaf people.
>>>>> It would be much easier in the work place for them if they could.
>>>>> Atty
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 3:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #151- The Braille Princess
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks Lori,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I always have trouble knowing when capitolize and capitalize are
>>>>>> appropriate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> spell check, its not going to know when its referring to Mr. Braille
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> french dude, or when the subject is the everyday symbolic system we
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> instead of lower case ink, lower case pen, or lower case handwriting.
>>>>>> jc
>>>>>> Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>>> Lawrence, KS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 02:47 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>>>I would agree, but my spell check says to capitalize (no o in that
>>>>>>>word,
>>>>>>>by
>>>>>>>the way) Braille whenever it appears.   Like Kleenex.   It may take a
>>>>>>>little longer to get to be lower case.
>>>>>>>Lori
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In a message dated 11/16/09 9:48:57 AM, jbron at optonline.net writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > JC I agree with you.  I'm sure that a man named Robert Brown exists
>>>>>>> > in
>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>> > world, but JC wearing brown pants doesn't require the adjective to
>>>>>>> > be
>>>>>>> > capitolized.  Judith
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> > From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>>> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:08 AM
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #151- The Braille
>>>>>>> > Princess
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > Pat et al,
>>>>>>> > > you have said some that connects with something I've been
>>>>>>> > > thinking
>>>>>>> > about.
>>>>>>> > > it was started by a question at a chapter meeting.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > should we capitolize the word braille when it doesn't refer to
>>>>>>> > > Louis
>>>>>>> > > Braille but instead refers to his creation?
>>>>>>> > > we don't capitolize ink, pen, typewriter, paper, or maybe Crayon
>>>>>>> > > gets
>>>>>>> > > capitolized because its a brand name.  bandage doesn't get
>>>>>>> > > capitolized
>>>>>>> > but
>>>>>>> > > Bandaid certainly does as a brand name.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > if we only capitolize Braille when it refers to Louis Braille, as
>>>>>>> > > in
>>>>>>> > > the
>>>>>>> > > 2009 Braille memorial silver dollar, for example, that is of
>>>>>>> > > course
>>>>>>> > > rig
>>>>>>> > ht.
>>>>>>> > > but if as in this conversation we're talking about the braille
>>>>>>> > > princess
>>>>>>> > > (operhaps capitolized as a title of a work), but the tag on her
>>>>>>> > > chair
>>>>>>> > > would be in braille, lower case/uncapitolized.  the class should
>>>>>>> > > learn
>>>>>>> > > braille, uncapitolized.  just as we say the class is learning
>>>>>>> > > reading
>>>>>>> > and
>>>>>>> > > writing, neither reading nor writing are capitolized.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > this may seem like a small thing, but fits with the question of
>>>>>>> > > whether
>>>>>>> > we
>>>>>>> > > want to be unique and highlight our uniqueness.  whether braille
>>>>>>> > > is
>>>>>>> > > something foreign, special, isolated, separate, or just like ink,
>>>>>>> > reading,
>>>>>>> > > writing.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > my answer: only capitolize when referring to Mr. Braille the
>>>>>>> > > french
>>>>>>> > dude.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > jc
>>>>>>> > > Jim Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>> > > Lawrence, KS
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > At 11:09 PM 11/15/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>The fact that Braille is reading and writing can never, ever be
>>>>>>> > overlooked
>>>>>>> > >>by touchy pictures, wild straw drawings, noodle art or colorful
>>>>>>> > >>paint
>>>>>>> > >>globs. BRAILLE IS READING.  It is not always read by a cute
>>>>>>> > >>little
>>>>>>> > >>boy
>>>>>>> > or
>>>>>>> > >>girl on grade level in public schools who happens to have
>>>>>>> > >>diligent
>>>>>>> > >>parents.  No matter what, BRAILLE IS READING.  At its basic
>>>>>>> > >>level,
>>>>>>> > >>it
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>is
>>>>>>> > >>language.
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>If we believe blindness is a simple characteristic present in an
>>>>>>> > >>individual the way curly hair is, we must not call too much
>>>>>>> > >>attention
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>to
>>>>>>> > >>the touch technique required for finger reading.  Demands for
>>>>>>> > >>reading
>>>>>>> > and
>>>>>>> > >>writing must resemble those of the demands for students using
>>>>>>> > >>print.
>>>>>>> > >>We
>>>>>>> > >>long to have our blind children included in classes, not set
>>>>>>> > >>apart
>>>>>>> > because
>>>>>>> > >>he or she happens to be cute and "sort of" smart.  Inclusion must
>>>>>>> > >>mean
>>>>>>> > >>inclusion.  Braille must be reading and writing!
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>Braille literacy is beautiful without drawings and photographs to
>>>>>>> > >>appeal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>to the eye.  We can add them for fun, but Braille is at its best
>>>>>>> > >>plain
>>>>>>> > and
>>>>>>> > >>basic.
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>(When I deliver speeches or programs to groups, I tell my life
>>>>>>> > >>story
>>>>>>> > >>as
>>>>>>> > >>"Princess-want-to-be" because I always believed my life was
>>>>>>> > >>supposed
>>>>>>> > >>to
>>>>>>> > be
>>>>>>> > >>luxurious and problem-free.  Wrong!)
>>>>>>> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Newman"
>>>>>>> > >><newmanrl at cox.net>
>>>>>>> > >>To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> > >>Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:43 AM
>>>>>>> > >>Subject: [stylist] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #151- The Braille
>>>>>>> > >>Princess
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>>Fellow Writers
>>>>>>> > >>>RE: The Braille Princess
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>With this 200th year celebration of Louis Braille's birthday and
>>>>>>> > >>>our
>>>>>>> > >>>thank
>>>>>>> > >>>you to him for Braille, I have written a TP centering on the
>>>>>>> > >>>importance
>>>>>>> > >>>of
>>>>>>> > >>>literacy and learning to read early, print for the print reader
>>>>>>> > >>>and
>>>>>>> > >>>Braille
>>>>>>> > >>>for the Braille reader. If you have not read the PROVOKER, it
>>>>>>> > >>>follows.
>>>>>>> > >>>Recall that I collect responses and post them upon my web site
>>>>>>> > >>>for
>>>>>>> > >>>all
>>>>>>> > >>>the
>>>>>>> > >>>WWW to read and learn from and that URL is-
>>>>>>> > >>>Http://thoughtprovoker.info
>>>>>>> > >>><http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you wish to receive THOUGHT
>>>>>>> > PROVOKERS
>>>>>>> > >>>sent directly to you, just write me and ask, at-
>>>>>>> > >>>newmanrl at cox.net
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>THOUGHT PROVOKER 151
>>>>>>> > >>>The Braille Princess
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>"This is our first day of kindergarten." The faces of the small
>>>>>>> > children
>>>>>>> > >>>grouped around the teacher all looked up with energy filled
>>>>>>> > expectation.
>>>>>>> > >>>"I
>>>>>>> > >>>want us to talk about one very, very important skill all
>>>>>>> > >>>teachers
>>>>>>> > >>>want
>>>>>>> > >>>their
>>>>>>> > >>>students to learn. It is reading. First, to make sure we
>>>>>>> > >>>understand
>>>>>>> > >>>new
>>>>>>> > >>>words --- what is a skill?" Teacher and students shared back and
>>>>>>> > >>>forth,
>>>>>>> > >>>clarifying several key words.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>The teacher asked, "How many of you can read?" Nearly all hands
>>>>>>> > >>>shot
>>>>>>> > up.
>>>>>>> > >>>"Oh
>>>>>>> > >>>my, what a smart class." Testing prior to the beginning of
>>>>>>> > >>>school
>>>>>>> > >>>had
>>>>>>> > >>>shown
>>>>>>> > >>>the teacher each student's skill level. Nearly all of them could
>>>>>>> > >>>read,
>>>>>>> > >>>most
>>>>>>> > >>>only a few words and a very few could actually read beginning
>>>>>>> > children's
>>>>>>> > >>>books.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>"Why do you think being able to read is important?" Many voices
>>>>>>> > >>>and
>>>>>>> > hands
>>>>>>> > >>>answered her question.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>Pointing to a small girl bouncing on her knees, hand pumping,
>>>>>>> > >>>the
>>>>>>> > teacher
>>>>>>> > >>>chose, "Breanna."
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>"To read to your mommy and daddy."
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>"Good answer. Reading to your parents is an excellent reason.
>>>>>>> > >>>Thank
>>>>>>> > you."
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>After taking several more answers the teacher moved into the
>>>>>>> > >>>next
>>>>>>> > >>>phase
>>>>>>> > >>>of
>>>>>>> > >>>the day's plan. "It is also important for you children to learn
>>>>>>> > >>>from
>>>>>>> > one
>>>>>>> > >>>another. Today, I have asked two students to bring one of their
>>>>>>> > favorite
>>>>>>> > >>>books and read it to the class. And by the end of this school
>>>>>>> > >>>year,
>>>>>>> > >>>I
>>>>>>> > >>>expect
>>>>>>> > >>>that you all will have your turn." Indicating the kid-size chair
>>>>>>> > >>>at
>>>>>>> > >>>her
>>>>>>> > >>>side, "Michael, you are first."
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>Seated, the small boy nervously fingered his brightly colored
>>>>>>> > >>>book,
>>>>>>> > >>>holding
>>>>>>> > >>>its cover forward to show it to his audience. "My favorite book
>>>>>>> > >>>is
>>>>>>> > >>>'Ruffles,
>>>>>>> > >>>The Big Red Dog." Positioning it on his lap, he began reading.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>"Thank you Michael. And now, Kendra. Please come up to our
>>>>>>> > >>>reading
>>>>>>> > >>>chair."
>>>>>>> > >>>Tapping the chair, the teacher watched the small girl with her
>>>>>>> > >>>arching
>>>>>>> > >>>cane
>>>>>>> > >>>home in on the sound guide.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>"Students, remember, earlier today, we learned about why Kendra
>>>>>>> > >>>uses
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>a
>>>>>>> > >>>white
>>>>>>> > >>>cane when she moves around the school."
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>A young voice from the audience said, "She blind."
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>"Yes, she is blind." Carrying on, the teacher said, "And so now
>>>>>>> > >>>we
>>>>>>> > >>>are
>>>>>>> > >>>going
>>>>>>> > >>>to learn about Braille, which is how Kendra can read."
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>The small girl seated, cane at her feet, the teacher asked,
>>>>>>> > >>>"Kendra,
>>>>>>> > >>>first
>>>>>>> > >>>please show and tell us the name of your book. Then tell the
>>>>>>> > >>>class
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>a
>>>>>>> > >>>little
>>>>>>> > >>>about Braille."
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>Composure intact, Kendra answered, "I learned to read when I was
>>>>>>> > >>>three.
>>>>>>> > >>>You
>>>>>>> > >>>read print because you can see it. I read Braille, because I am
>>>>>>> > >>>blind
>>>>>>> > and
>>>>>>> > >>>blind people read Braille with their fingers. Braille is raised
>>>>>>> > >>>dots. I
>>>>>>> > >>>can
>>>>>>> > >>>read as good as anybody." She raised the book up for all to see
>>>>>>> > >>>its
>>>>>>> > >>>cover.
>>>>>>> > >>>"My favorite book is the 'Princess and the Pea.' My daddy calls
>>>>>>> > >>>me
>>>>>>> > >>>his
>>>>>>> > >>>Princess."
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>"Hey," exclaimed a student! "No picture! No letters!"
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>After the stories were read, the teacher again addressed her
>>>>>>> > >>>class.
>>>>>>> > "Miss
>>>>>>> > >>>Young, my assistant has arranged the chairs in a circle. Each of
>>>>>>> > >>>you
>>>>>>> > have
>>>>>>> > >>>your own chair, your name is on it. So to find your chair, you
>>>>>>> > >>>must
>>>>>>> > read
>>>>>>> > >>>the
>>>>>>> > >>>name-tag." The classroom noise level fell, then swelled;
>>>>>>> > >>>expressions
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>on
>>>>>>> > >>>faces ranged from blank wonderment, to knowing intelligence.
>>>>>>> > >>>"Reading
>>>>>>> > is
>>>>>>> > >>>important. I know some of you cannot read yet. However, soon I
>>>>>>> > >>>expect
>>>>>>> > >>>that
>>>>>>> > >>>you will. So for help now, ask your neighbor or Miss Young or me
>>>>>>> > >>>to
>>>>>>> > >>>assist
>>>>>>> > >>>you." The noisy reading and sorting began.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>"She's sitting in my chair!" The outcry of the small red-haired
>>>>>>> > >>>boy
>>>>>>> > >>>was
>>>>>>> > >>>all
>>>>>>> > >>>but lost in the overall noise level.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>"Kendra --- Tommy, we need to check the label," intervened the
>>>>>>> > >>>frazzled
>>>>>>> > >>>Para. Lightly touching the petite blind girl sitting quietly on
>>>>>>> > >>>the
>>>>>>> > chair
>>>>>>> > >>>in
>>>>>>> > >>>question, "Honey, did you feel for the Braille label on the back
>>>>>>> > >>>of
>>>>>>> > >>>the
>>>>>>> > >>>seat?" Leaning forward to look herself as she spoke.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>"A problem here?" The teacher walked up.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>"Oh my," Miss Young looked at her boss, "the name-tag is
>>>>>>> > >>>missing."
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>"Tommy knocked it off and it fell on the seat," said the boy
>>>>>>> > >>>from
>>>>>>> > >>>the
>>>>>>> > >>>next
>>>>>>> > >>>chair over.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>"Yes, I'm sitting on my name," said Kendra. "And Tommy, you need
>>>>>>> > >>>to
>>>>>>> > learn
>>>>>>> > >>>to
>>>>>>> > >>>read Braille."
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>The eyes of the two adults met, both smiled, the teacher said,
>>>>>>> > >>>"Kendra,
>>>>>>> > >>>we
>>>>>>> > >>>are going to call you, our Braille Princess."
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>Robert Leslie Newman
>>>>>>> > >>>Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>>>>>>> > >>>THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>>>>>>> > >>>Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>>>>>> > >>>
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