[stylist] Fantasy and the conservative reader?

Tue Oct 6 00:23:06 UTC 2009

Judith: I'm not interested in hearing sighted people for my story. I
want to do something that is differant. A differant sort of contrast
if you see what I mean.

I have decided to give them a golden compexion though instead of grey
one. I hope that improves things.

Helene

On 05/10/2009, Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net> wrote:
> Helene, If you are trying to create a contrast you have to go no further
> than your local townsquare.  People are sighted, people hear perfectly and
> there are some who are visually impaired and have impaired hearing.  Judith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "helene ryles" <dreamavdb at googlemail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Fantasy and the conservative reader?
>
>
>> Judith: Thanks for your feedback.
>> The magic will have to stay in it and the dragon's too. My point in
>> having them there is to illustrate how none disabled people can became
>> abnormal in certain places such as a society where dragons are about
>> and they have wings or they are from a family of witches, thus making
>> those who can't work magic 'abnormal'. It's a matter of contrast. Like
>> with the village in Nassoli where deafness is 'normal' since so many
>> villagers are deaf whereas outside Nassoli it's considered a
>> disability.
>>
>> As to the colour, I chose to make them gray since they would be out of
>> place in a desert landscape if they were white. People from a country
>> like Nazdonia would be brown in colour but it would force me to write
>> about an ethnic group that I didn't know about rather then my own.  So
>> that's why I made them a differant colour entirely. Since I was hoping
>> by that, nobody would get offended.
>>
>> helene
>>
>> On 05/10/2009, Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net> wrote:
>>> Barbara, This is why we have to strive to be the best we can be.  There
>>> are
>>> people in all kinds of occupations who are physically impaired.  Like us,
>>> they work to overcome their handicap to stand shoulder to shoulder with
>>> all
>>> other capable people in the world.  There are blind attorneys, doctors
>>> and
>>> other professionals.  There are those who are wheelchair bound who are
>>> capable of the same things as a totally mobile person.  I know a doctor
>>> with
>>> MS who continued in a hospital setting after his diagnosis as a
>>> diagnostician.  He could have continued as a family practice physician,
>>> but
>>> he found it easier to work as a diagnostician.  I also know of a fabulous
>>> doctor who quit his occupation because he could no longer hear with
>>> certainty the things a doctor pics up with blood pressure and heart
>>> irregularities.  I'm sorry he quit.  He was one of the best doctors
>>> around.
>>> Judith
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Fantasy and the conservative reader?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Another thing is that people see those of us as less than the people we
>>>> are because of the disability.  When white people had black people for
>>>> slaves, think of what they did when blacks were just property.  Blacks
>>>> were generally thought to be less of a person, hence making them more
>>>> animal than human.  Many people think of handicapped people in this way.
>>>> I would wager a bet that more handicapped people are abused physically
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> sexually than we know because they only have honest folks to speak up
>>>> for
>>>> them.
>>>> Sex is not and should never have come to be a recreational activity.  It
>>>> was the downfall of the Greek and Roman societies.
>>>> There is something to be said of the Biblical truth that when nations
>>>> turn
>>>>
>>>> from doing what's right in God's eyes and do what's right in their own
>>>> eyes, they will fall.
>>>> Sex has a box where it belongs and should not spill into other things.
>>>> It
>>>>
>>>> is a Pandora's box.
>>>> Barbara
>>>>
>>>> Snow is God's way of reminding us that beauty can be found even in the
>>>> coldest hearts.
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:25 AM
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Fantasy and the conservative reader?
>>>>
>>>>> Helene, I rather like fantasy.  I enjoyed Harry Potter as an
>>>>> entertainment form.  Conservatives aren't straight laced folks who
>>>>> don't
>>>>> know how to laugh.  One might think we never find anything to laugh
>>>>> about.  Not true. However, we stand for things that aren't laughing
>>>>> matters.
>>>>> Now for your novel.
>>>>> You are trying to do a lot with your plot, your characterization and
>>>>> the
>>>>> message  you are sending to your reader.  The message that deaf blind
>>>>> people are really people with the same needs and wants as those without
>>>>> these impairments is getting lost in your gray skinned characters who
>>>>> have loving dinasours as pets.  Helene, this is going to sound harsh,
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> perhaps it is. Either your characters are handicapped and their message
>>>>> has to get out or they represent fantasy characters with all kinds of
>>>>> make believe features. Helene, think long and hard about your book.
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> afraid your choice right now is either or.   Judith
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "helene ryles" <dreamavdb at googlemail.com>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 11:31 PM
>>>>> Subject: [stylist] Fantasy and the conservative reader?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I am getting contradictory advice again regarding my novel.
>>>>>> Particularly wether on not to remove that last nude bit from chapter
>>>>>> 14.
>>>>>> Someone else told me to keep them in because only conservative readers
>>>>>> would object and they wouldn't be interested in my book anyway.
>>>>>> So I'm interested, particularly from Judith and Barbara who were the
>>>>>> ones who objected to these scenes, wether they would be interested in
>>>>>> fantasy based novels in the first place? Judith did seem interested in
>>>>>> the beggining.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It helps to know your reader but this is my first novel intended for
>>>>>> outside views so I'm still finding my feet where my readership is
>>>>>> concerned.
>>>>>> I've removed the nude bit as it is not really central to the plot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do other people think so far?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Helene
>>>>>>
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