[stylist] social networking and youth slam
cheryl echevarria
cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
Sun Aug 22 16:42:23 UTC 2010
Well since is the Stylist talk list, maybe you should contact Dr. Maurer and
complain about it.
I encourage people to do everything, that was taught to me by the NFB here I
NY.
The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
Cheryl Echevarria
Independent Travel Consultant
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> Hello Cheryl and everyone,
>
> If we're going to encourage blind people to use the Internet and all
> it
> offers we should not engage in activities that could compromise our
> position
> on Internet accessibility. The only social network Mary and I join is one
> we
> build ourselves; one that is under the control of those who understand the
> importance of accessibility and who ensure that all can use it
> independently.
>
> The Pepsi Challenge wasn't even discussed at our chapter meeting
> yesterday. Other members and blind people we've talked to about this whole
> issue have chosen not to participate for many of the same reasons. If
> there
> were ways to vote without having to join a social network particularly for
> that purpose, having to mess with captchas, etc more of us would have
> participated. Our chapter president didn't even mention this campaign at
> yesterday's meeting and yours truly kept his mouth shut . And especially
> so
> as we had a large number of guests present several of which became members
> when the meeting was over. All the best.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
>
> why is everyone so negative, aren't we trying to fight the sterotypes, and
> encourage blind to use the website and social networking and we do have
> accessible phone we can use as well, that allow you to go online.
>
> goodness let's all feel sorry for ourselves and not help our organization
> out. boo hoo.
>
> Geez louise. Enough already.
>
> And these are leaders in the NFB that are saying this stuff, way to go.
> How
> embarrassing!
>
> I am an Officer and I try to encourage others on how to do things, I was
> just helping one of my chapter members to do it and she did it.
>
> If we can help youth slam, how do we suppose to encourage others to do it.
>
> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> Independent Travel Consultant
> C10-10646
>
> http://Echevarriatravel.com
> 1-866-580-5574
> skype: angeldn3
>
> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> CST-1018299-10
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel
> Inc.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
>
> > Hi Bridget,
> > I agree with you about isolating ourselves. The whole separate but equal
> > thing about setting up accessible social networking scares the daylights
> > out of me. It plays right into the hands of the frightened sighted
> > public who would rather not have to deal with us. It also keeps us from
> > interacting in the same arena which our sighted peers have. In short,
> > the site might be more accessible to us, but it doesn't make the world
> > more accessible to us.
> > Donna
> >
> > Read Donna's articles on
> > Suite 101:
> > www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
> > Ezine Articles:
> > http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
> > American Chronicle:
> > www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
> >
> > Connect with Donna on
> > Twitter:
> > www.twitter.com/dewhill
> > LinkedIn:
> > www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
> > FaceBook:
> > www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
> >
> > Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
> > cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
> > Apple I-Tunes
> > phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=259244374
> >
> > Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
> > Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
> > Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
> > www.padnfb.org
> >
> >
> > On 8/21/2010 11:01 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
> > > Yes we need to ensure accessibility happens so that everyone has equal
> > > access to whatever, but if we constantly set up things, whether they
> > > be
> > > websites or other avenues, specifically for a certain group, aren't we
> > > isolating ourselves from society? People must realize that products
> > > should be accessible for any user, and if a group or company refuses
> > > to
> > > do so, then it makes sense to establish our own product, but must we
> > > always create our own products, or can we not continue to work with
> > > existing companies and products to find solutions? I will use
> > > Facebook
> > > for an example since this seems to be the name that keeps coming up in
> > > the argument, but so many blind people use Facebook with little or no
> > > problems. Personally I am no fan of Facebook, but where is the real
> > > issue? The NFB and other groups seem to be attempting to address the
> > > issue as much as they can. Many, many products and websites are now
> > > usable by the blind and we didn't have to spend money to develop the
> > > same thing. I call that smart business! *smile*
> > >
> > > Also, there are other disabilities beyond blindness that often require
> > > accommodations and modifications. Should all cars be drivable off
> > > theh
> > > lot by Little People? Should Spanish and ASL be required for all
> > > public
> > > officials? Should every building be created so that even those with
> > > mobility issues can access it? Of course, but the world does not
> > > always
> > > think from this perspective. We, the disabled, must ensure our own
> > > accessibility, but we don't have to always start from the ground up.
> > > We
> > > can and should work with existing structures which then allow us to be
> > > a
> > > part of society and not isolating ourselves.
> > >
> > > Bridgit
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > On
> > > Behalf Of stylist-request at nfbnet.org
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
> > > 2. Re: question about philosophy (Judith Bron)
> > > 3. social networking and youth slam (Bridgit Pollpeter)
> > > 4. Re: social networking and youth slam (cheryl echevarria)
> > > 5. Re: social networking and youth slam (Peter Donahue)
> > > 6. Re: question about philosophy (Joe Orozco)
> > > 7. Re: social networking and youth slam (Joe Orozco)
> > > 8. Re: question about philosophy (Donna Hill)
> > > 9. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
> > > 10. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
> > > 11. Re: question about philosophy (The Crowd)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:18:22 -0500
> > > From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> > > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <AANLkTi=ibDnhFaeOSCbO1DGd9N2p5ne0a3ejeU1ZJe5i at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> > >
> > > Listers,
> > >
> > > While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> > > sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> > > persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> > > sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> > > struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> > > ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> > > banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
> > > he discusses the tin cup:
> > >
> > > ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> > > society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> > > takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> > > popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> > > dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> > > man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> > > "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> > > secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> > > show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> > > was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> > > word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
> > > There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> > > all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> > > he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
> > >
> > > In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
> > > those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> > > opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> > > and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> > > people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
> > > originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> > > one reason the term disability is now used.
> > >
> > > Anyway, just thought I would share.
> > >
> > > Priscilla
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Here here, well said Joe!
> > >>
> > >> Atty
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > > ley%40gmail.com
> > >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:03:05 -0400
> > > From: Judith Bron<jbron at optonline.net>
> > > To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> > > Message-ID:<004f01cb4091$f07adb10$3302a8c0 at dell5150>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=Windows-1252;
> > > reply-type=original
> > >
> > > Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the majority
> > > or
> > > to
> > > rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life is not
> > > a
> > >
> > > game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have guessed that
> > > blind
> > > could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over the world use a
> > > cup,
> > >
> > > charity box or some other kind of vessel to collect for their
> > > organizations,
> > > the needy and the otherwise disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a
> > > myth
> > > or are you going out of your way to prove that every negative
> > > associated
> > >
> > > with blindness has been successful in portraying the blind since
> > > forever?
> > > The guy standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money
> > > using
> > > a large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
> > > up
> > > and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Priscilla McKinley"<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> > > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> > >
> > >
> > > Listers,
> > >
> > > While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> > > sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> > > persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> > > sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> > > struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> > > ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> > > banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
> > > he discusses the tin cup:
> > >
> > > ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> > > society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> > > takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> > > popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> > > dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> > > man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> > > "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> > > secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> > > show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> > > was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> > > word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
> > > There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> > > all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> > > he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
> > >
> > > In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
> > > those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> > > opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> > > and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> > > people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
> > > originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> > > one reason the term disability is now used.
> > >
> > > Anyway, just thought I would share.
> > >
> > > Priscilla
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Here here, well said Joe!
> > >>
> > >> Atty
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Writers Division web site:
> > >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > >>
> > > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> > >
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> > > ley%40gmail.com
> > >
> > >>
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:48 -0500
> > > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> > > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> > > Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP407C91BF2CE029EB8B1FBDC49F0 at phx.gbl>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > > Peter and others,
> > >
> > > I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> > > accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> > > just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
> > >
> > > If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> > > understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> > > however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> > > whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> > > not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> > > accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> > > from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> > > It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> > > There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> > > bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> > > blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> > > can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> > > world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
> > > is
> > > a whole other discussion! *smile*
> > >
> > > As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> > > must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> > > the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> > > amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting
> > > a
> > > new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> > > have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> > > can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
> > > to
> > > experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> > > after attending Youth Slam.
> > >
> > > So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> > > possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> > > raised,
> > > no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> > > society
> > > in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> > > and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
> > >
> > > Bridgit
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:05:02 -0400
> > > From: "cheryl echevarria"<cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> > > Message-ID:<BAY110-DS689D8C5F44A944FAC81ECA19F0 at phx.gbl>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > um the NFB had to sign up to be part of this I think they would know
> > > if
> > > this
> > > is accessible or not since Dr. Maurer did announce it on the Monthly
> > > Presidential Release and that if he could do it anybody could do it.
> > >
> > > The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
> > >
> > > Cheryl Echevarria
> > > Independent Travel Consultant
> > > C10-10646
> > >
> > > http://Echevarriatravel.com
> > > 1-866-580-5574
> > > skype: angeldn3
> > >
> > > Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> > > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> > > CST-1018299-10
> > > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and
> > > Travel
> > > Inc.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> > > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 PM
> > > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Peter and others,
> > >>
> > >> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> > >> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> > >> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
> > >>
> > >> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> > >> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> > >> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> > >> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> > >> can
> > >> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> > >> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> > >> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> > >> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> > >> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> > >> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> > >> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> > >> phones
> > >> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> > >> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
> > >>
> > > is
> > >
> > >> a whole other discussion! *smile*
> > >>
> > >> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
> > >> I
> > >> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> > >> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> > >> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> > >> setting
> > >>
> > > a
> > >
> > >> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> > >> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> > >> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
> > >>
> > > to
> > >
> > >> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> > >> changed
> > >> after attending Youth Slam.
> > >>
> > >> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> > >> manner
> > >> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> > >>
> > > raised,
> > >
> > >> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> > >>
> > > society
> > >
> > >> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> > >> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
> > >>
> > >> Bridgit
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Writers Division web site:
> > >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > >>
> > > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> > >
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> > > 0hotmail.com
> > >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:11:51 -0500
> > > From: "Peter Donahue"<pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
> > > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> > > Message-ID:<001701cb409b$8cc76f20$4001a8c0 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
> > > ourselves
> > >
> > > never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can develop
> > > the
> > > technology to enable a blind person to drive a car independently we
> > > should
> > > have the know-how to develop our own social networking services to
> > > serve
> > > as
> > > a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made accessible
> > > to
> > > all.
> > > We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
> > > accessibility will be compromised in the process.
> > >
> > > Peter Donahue
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> > > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
> > > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> > >
> > >
> > > Peter and others,
> > >
> > > I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> > > accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> > > just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
> > >
> > > If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> > > understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> > > however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> > > whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> > > not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> > > accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> > > from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> > > It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> > > There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> > > bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> > > blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> > > can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> > > world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
> > > is
> > > a whole other discussion! *smile*
> > >
> > > As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> > > must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> > > the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> > > amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting
> > > a
> > > new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> > > have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> > > can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
> > > to
> > > experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> > > after attending Youth Slam.
> > >
> > > So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> > > possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> > > raised,
> > > no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> > > society
> > > in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> > > and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
> > >
> > > Bridgit
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:49:34 -0400
> > > From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
> > > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> > > Message-ID:<94B68AE810DF4C029D6F3DED7019AE2F at Rufus>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > > If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
> > > cup, I
> > > might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
> > > brochures
> > > and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
> > > educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
> > > Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
> > > fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
> > > the
> > > division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
> > > public
> > > venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
> > > attract
> > > the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
> > > wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
> > > contrary,
> > > one
> > > lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
> > > among
> > > other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
> > > group?
> > > I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the presence
> > > or
> > > absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
> > > about
> > > blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
> > > opinion
> > > of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
> > > whether
> > > the
> > > group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
> > > group
> > > has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
> > > strategy
> > > completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
> > > agencies
> > > not
> > > use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care of
> > > foster
> > > children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
> > > people
> > > would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
> > > sought.
> > > It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
> > > fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by exuding
> > > confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
> > > what is
> > > normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long and
> > > arduous road to follow.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> > > sleeves,
> > > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
> > > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
> > > To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> > >
> > > Listers,
> > >
> > > While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> > > sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> > > persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> > > sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> > > struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> > > ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> > > banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
> > > he discusses the tin cup:
> > >
> > > "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> > > society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> > > takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> > > popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> > > dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> > > man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> > > "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> > > secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> > > show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> > > was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> > > word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
> > > There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> > > all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> > > he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
> > >
> > > In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
> > > those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> > > opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> > > and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> > > people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
> > > originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> > > one reason the term disability is now used.
> > >
> > > Anyway, just thought I would share.
> > >
> > > Priscilla
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Here here, well said Joe!
> > >>
> > >> Atty
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >>
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> > > la.mckinley%40gmail.com
> > >
> > >>
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> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:02:18 -0400
> > > From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
> > > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> > > Message-ID:<659A73BDED1248F1B6A150EBB34828E3 at Rufus>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > > Peter,
> > >
> > > This is my issue with web accessibility. I don't know that everyone
> > > will
> > > ever be able to agree on what it means to be accessible, because there
> > > are
> > > varying levels of computer skills and screen reader features. So far
> > > I
> > > must
> > > say you are the only person I've seen complain about the accessibility
> > > of
> > > the Pepsi Challenge project, which does not mean your complaint is
> > > irrelevant. It means there must surely be others who are experiencing
> > > similar problems, but I have not yet heard a valid reason for why the
> > > CAPTCHA feature is posing such a problem. There are two services that
> > > help
> > > blind users translate the CAPTCHA codes. Even deaf and blind users
> > > can
> > > have
> > > the text transmitted without bothering with the audio. My point here
> > > is
> > > not
> > > to turn your concerns away. They are valid, but technology is
> > > changing.
> > > To
> > > me it sounds as though you are reluctant to change with it, and in the
> > > meantime should we turn away from a free means of earning $250,000
> > > just
> > > because we want to prove a point? If we don't take advantage of this
> > > project while it lasts, someone else will, and would you actually
> > > argue
> > > that
> > > those other projects are more important than the future potential of
> > > our
> > > math and science enthusiasts? These are, after all, the people on
> > > whom
> > > we
> > > are relying to build that there car for blind folk. For every minute
> > > you
> > > spent writing your flurry of posts objecting the Pepsi project, you
> > > could
> > > have been spending the time communicating with Pepsi. You're the web
> > > development guy who could have expertly conveyed to them what is
> > > needed.
> > > I'm having difficulty feeling empathetic with you on this one.
> > >
> > > Respectfully,
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> > > sleeves,
> > > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
> > > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:12 PM
> > > To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> > >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
> > > ourselves
> > > never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
> > > develop the
> > > technology to enable a blind person to drive a car
> > > independently we should
> > > have the know-how to develop our own social networking services
> > > to serve as
> > > a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
> > > accessible to all.
> > > We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
> > > accessibility will be compromised in the process.
> > >
> > > Peter Donahue
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> > > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
> > > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> > >
> > >
> > > Peter and others,
> > >
> > > I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> > > accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> > > just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
> > >
> > > If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> > > understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> > > however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> > > whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> > > not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> > > accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> > > from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> > > It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> > > There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> > > bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> > > blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> > > can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> > > world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
> > > is
> > > a whole other discussion! *smile*
> > >
> > > As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> > > must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> > > the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> > > amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting
> > > a
> > > new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> > > have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> > > can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
> > > to
> > > experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> > > after attending Youth Slam.
> > >
> > > So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> > > possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> > > raised,
> > > no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> > > society
> > > in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> > > and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
> > >
> > > Bridgit
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Writers Division web site:
> > > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> > >
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> > > e1%40sbcglobal.net
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 8
> > > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:44:06 -0400
> > > From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
> > > To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> > > Message-ID:<4C6EF726.5000207 at epix.net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> > >
> > > Amen, Judith.
> > >
> > > Read Donna's articles on
> > > Suite 101:
> > > www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
> > > Ezine Articles:
> > > http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
> > > American Chronicle:
> > > www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
> > >
> > > Connect with Donna on
> > > Twitter:
> > > www.twitter.com/dewhill
> > > LinkedIn:
> > > www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
> > > FaceBook:
> > > www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
> > >
> > > Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
> > > cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
> > > Apple I-Tunes
> > > phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=25924437
> > > 4
> > >
> > > Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
> > > Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
> > > Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
> > > www.padnfb.org
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/20/2010 2:03 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
> > >
> > >> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the majority
> > >> or to rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life
> > >> is not a game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have
> > >> guessed that blind could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all
> > >> over
> > >>
> > >
> > >> the world use a cup, charity box or some other kind of vessel to
> > >> collect for their organizations, the needy and the otherwise
> > >> disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a myth or are you going out
> > >> of your way to prove that every negative associated with blindness
> > >> has
> > >>
> > >
> > >> been successful in portraying the blind since forever? The guy
> > >> standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money using
> > >> a
> > >>
> > >
> > >> large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
> > >> up and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priscilla McKinley"
> > >> <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> > >> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Listers,
> > >>
> > >> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> > >> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> > >> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> > >> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> > >> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> > >> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> > >> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
> > >> he discusses the tin cup:
> > >>
> > >> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> > >> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> > >> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> > >> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> > >> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> > >> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> > >> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> > >> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> > >> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> > >> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> > >> cue
> > >> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
> > >> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> > >> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> > >> when
> > >> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
> > >>
> > >> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
> > >> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> > >> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> > >> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> > >> many
> > >> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
> > >> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
> > >> is
> > >> one reason the term disability is now used.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, just thought I would share.
> > >>
> > >> Priscilla
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Here here, well said Joe!
> > >>>
> > >>> Atty
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Writers Division web site:
> > >>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > >>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> > >>>
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> > > ley%40gmail.com
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Writers Division web site:
> > >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > >> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > > Message: 9
> > > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:45:57 -0400
> > > From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
> > > To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> > > Message-ID:<4C6EF795.4050203 at epix.net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> > >
> > > Well put, Bridget!
> > > Donna
> > >
> > > Read Donna's articles on
> > > Suite 101:
> > > www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
> > > Ezine Articles:
> > > http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
> > > American Chronicle:
> > > www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
> > >
> > > Connect with Donna on
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> > >
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> > > cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
> > > Apple I-Tunes
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> > > 4
> > >
> > > Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
> > > Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
> > > Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
> > > www.padnfb.org
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/20/2010 2:52 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
> > >
> > >> Peter and others,
> > >>
> > >> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> > >> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> > >> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
> > >>
> > >> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> > >> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> > >> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> > >> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> > >> can
> > >> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> > >> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> > >> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> > >> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> > >> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> > >> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> > >> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> > >> phones
> > >> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> > >> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
> > >>
> > > is
> > >
> > >> a whole other discussion! *smile*
> > >>
> > >> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
> > >> I
> > >> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> > >> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> > >> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> > >> setting
> > >>
> > > a
> > >
> > >> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> > >> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> > >> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
> > >>
> > > to
> > >
> > >> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> > >> changed
> > >> after attending Youth Slam.
> > >>
> > >> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> > >> manner
> > >> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> > >>
> > > raised,
> > >
> > >> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> > >>
> > > society
> > >
> > >> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> > >> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
> > >>
> > >> Bridgit
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> > > Message: 10
> > > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:00:04 -0500
> > > From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> > > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <AANLkTinFOfzdqiBjrVw8PCkkjwLj++v5uvNSa3-S79XR at mail.gmail.com>
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> > >
> > > I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. *smile* As a
> > > person who has had severl fundraisers over the years, including
> > > selling calendars, hot dogs, candy bars, shot glasses, Capitol Steps
> > > tickets, to name just a few, we never had a container sitting on the
> > > table where people could drop money. We would accept donations that
> > > were given to us but that meant the people had to interact in some
> > > way. They couldn't just walk by and ignore us, dropping money in a
> > > jar. They had to talk to us, to hand us the money. Similarly, people
> > > who donate online will be at our website and see positive images.
> > > Plus, they have to make a conscious decision to go there. (If
> > > dropping money in a container, some people might not even remember
> > > the name of the group to which they gave money.)
> > >
> > > When I was living on the East Coast and was a member of a chapter
> > > there, we discussed this topic in great detail. We talked about blind
> > > beggers in the past and the idea of the tin cup. People would walk
> > > by, dig into their pockets, and put change in the cup, pitying the
> > > blind. As a chapter, we decided to empty our pockets for other
> > > organizations instead. The chapter president gave everyone a plastic
> > > container and told us to drop our change in their over the next month
> > > and bring the containers back to the next meeting, which was in
> > > November. After receiving the containers and putting it in the
> > > account, the chapter presented the money in check form for an
> > > organization that was providing holiday meals and gifts for struggling
> > > families. Instead of taking, we were giving.
> > >
> > > While I'm no expert on this topic, I know how I viewed blindness
> > > before I lost my sight, and I see the same reactions from others today
> > > now that I am blind. There are a lot of organizational things that I
> > > don't agree with, but I would agree with Dr. Jernigan that that image
> > > needs to be changed. Even today, I don't think it has. Like someone
> > > said on here, the car that the blind can drive is supposed to
> > > represent the positives, the future. Well, I believe the cup or
> > > container just sitting there symbolizes the past, the negatives. But
> > > again, that is just one opinion out of many. Perhaps someone should
> > > write a letter to Doctor Maurer so he can read it at one of his
> > > leadership seminars. I'm sure there would be lots of opinions, as
> > > there are for almost every letter read at the seminars.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Priscilla
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/20/10, Joe Orozco<jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
> > >>
> > > cup, I
> > >
> > >> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
> > >>
> > > brochures
> > >
> > >> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
> > >> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
> > >> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
> > >> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
> > >>
> > > the
> > >
> > >> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
> > >>
> > > public
> > >
> > >> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
> > >>
> > > attract
> > >
> > >> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
> > >> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
> > >>
> > > contrary, one
> > >
> > >> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
> > >>
> > > among
> > >
> > >> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
> > >>
> > > group?
> > >
> > >> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
> > >> presence
> > >>
> > > or
> > >
> > >> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
> > >>
> > > about
> > >
> > >> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
> > >>
> > > opinion
> > >
> > >> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
> > >>
> > > whether the
> > >
> > >> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
> > >>
> > > group
> > >
> > >> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
> > >>
> > > strategy
> > >
> > >> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
> > >>
> > > agencies not
> > >
> > >> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care of
> > >>
> > > foster
> > >
> > >> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
> > >>
> > > people
> > >
> > >> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
> > >>
> > > sought.
> > >
> > >> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
> > >> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
> > >> exuding
> > >> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
> > >>
> > > what is
> > >
> > >> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long and
> > >> arduous road to follow.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>
> > >> Joe
> > >>
> > >> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> > >>
> > > sleeves,
> > >
> > >> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > >> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
> > >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
> > >> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> > >> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> > >>
> > >> Listers,
> > >>
> > >> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> > >> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> > >> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> > >> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> > >> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> > >> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> > >> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
> > >> he discusses the tin cup:
> > >>
> > >> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> > >> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> > >> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> > >> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> > >> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> > >> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> > >> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> > >> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> > >> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> > >> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> > >> cue
> > >> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
> > >> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> > >> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> > >> when
> > >> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
> > >>
> > >> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
> > >> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> > >> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> > >> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> > >> many
> > >> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
> > >> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
> > >> is
> > >> one reason the term disability is now used.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, just thought I would share.
> > >>
> > >> Priscilla
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Here here, well said Joe!
> > >>>
> > >>> Atty
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> > > Message: 11
> > > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:10:20 -0500
> > > From: "The Crowd"<the_crowd at cox.net>
> > > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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> > >
> > > The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for change
> > > and
> > > donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same door,
> > > with
> > > the
> > > same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
> > >
> > > I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put one in
> > > mine.
> > >
> > > I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And they
> > > didn't
> > > think that of us.
> > >
> > > Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with things
> > > like,
> > > "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin and
> > > witch
> > > suckers!"
> > >
> > > Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you
> > > support
> > > the
> > > NFB?" "Anything will do!"
> > >
> > > "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
> > > sighted
> > > one!
> > >
> > > So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar sitting on
> > > a
> > >
> > > table full of informational litature and products to sell and equates
> > > it
> > > to
> > > a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some way,
> > > has
> > > issues in themselves, blind or not.
> > >
> > > Atty
> > >
> > >
> > >
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