[stylist] social networking and youth slam
Peter Donahue
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Sun Aug 22 16:45:21 UTC 2010
Hello Donna and everyone,
But it can serve as a model for others to duplicate and/or convert
existing social networks to emulate. We've said that some of the technology
developed for the blind has the potential to become main-stream. A model
social network that is accessible to all has the same potential.
Peter Donahue
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Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
Hi Bridget,
I agree with you about isolating ourselves. The whole separate but equal
thing about setting up accessible social networking scares the daylights
out of me. It plays right into the hands of the frightened sighted
public who would rather not have to deal with us. It also keeps us from
interacting in the same arena which our sighted peers have. In short,
the site might be more accessible to us, but it doesn't make the world
more accessible to us.
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On 8/21/2010 11:01 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
> Yes we need to ensure accessibility happens so that everyone has equal
> access to whatever, but if we constantly set up things, whether they be
> websites or other avenues, specifically for a certain group, aren't we
> isolating ourselves from society? People must realize that products
> should be accessible for any user, and if a group or company refuses to
> do so, then it makes sense to establish our own product, but must we
> always create our own products, or can we not continue to work with
> existing companies and products to find solutions? I will use Facebook
> for an example since this seems to be the name that keeps coming up in
> the argument, but so many blind people use Facebook with little or no
> problems. Personally I am no fan of Facebook, but where is the real
> issue? The NFB and other groups seem to be attempting to address the
> issue as much as they can. Many, many products and websites are now
> usable by the blind and we didn't have to spend money to develop the
> same thing. I call that smart business! *smile*
>
> Also, there are other disabilities beyond blindness that often require
> accommodations and modifications. Should all cars be drivable off theh
> lot by Little People? Should Spanish and ASL be required for all public
> officials? Should every building be created so that even those with
> mobility issues can access it? Of course, but the world does not always
> think from this perspective. We, the disabled, must ensure our own
> accessibility, but we don't have to always start from the ground up. We
> can and should work with existing structures which then allow us to be a
> part of society and not isolating ourselves.
>
> Bridgit
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> 3. social networking and youth slam (Bridgit Pollpeter)
> 4. Re: social networking and youth slam (cheryl echevarria)
> 5. Re: social networking and youth slam (Peter Donahue)
> 6. Re: question about philosophy (Joe Orozco)
> 7. Re: social networking and youth slam (Joe Orozco)
> 8. Re: question about philosophy (Donna Hill)
> 9. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
> 10. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
> 11. Re: question about philosophy (The Crowd)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:18:22 -0500
> From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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> Listers,
>
> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
> he discusses the tin cup:
>
> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>
> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> one reason the term disability is now used.
>
> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>
>> Atty
>>
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> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:03:05 -0400
> From: Judith Bron<jbron at optonline.net>
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the majority or
> to
> rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life is not a
>
> game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have guessed that
> blind
> could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over the world use a cup,
>
> charity box or some other kind of vessel to collect for their
> organizations,
> the needy and the otherwise disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a
> myth
> or are you going out of your way to prove that every negative associated
>
> with blindness has been successful in portraying the blind since
> forever?
> The guy standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money
> using
> a large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
> up
> and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Priscilla McKinley"<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>
>
> Listers,
>
> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
> he discusses the tin cup:
>
> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>
> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> one reason the term disability is now used.
>
> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>
>> Atty
>>
>>
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> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:48 -0500
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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> Peter and others,
>
> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>
> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that is
> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>
> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting a
> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them to
> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> after attending Youth Slam.
>
> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money raised,
> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and society
> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>
> Bridgit
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:05:02 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria"<cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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> um the NFB had to sign up to be part of this I think they would know if
> this
> is accessible or not since Dr. Maurer did announce it on the Monthly
> Presidential Release and that if he could do it anybody could do it.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 PM
> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
>
>
>> Peter and others,
>>
>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>
>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
>>
> is
>
>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>
>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting
>>
> a
>
>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
>>
> to
>
>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>
>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>>
> raised,
>
>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>>
> society
>
>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>
>> Bridgit
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:11:51 -0500
> From: "Peter Donahue"<pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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> Hello everyone,
>
> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money ourselves
>
> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can develop
> the
> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car independently we
> should
> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services to serve
> as
> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made accessible to
> all.
> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
>
> Peter and others,
>
> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>
> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that is
> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>
> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting a
> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them to
> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> after attending Youth Slam.
>
> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money raised,
> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and society
> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>
> Bridgit
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> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:49:34 -0400
> From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
> cup, I
> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
> brochures
> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for the
> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a public
> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
> attract
> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the contrary,
> one
> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division, among
> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
> group?
> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the presence
> or
> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
> about
> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
> opinion
> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on whether
> the
> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
> group
> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising strategy
> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private agencies
> not
> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care of
> foster
> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
> people
> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
> sought.
> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by exuding
> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
> what is
> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long and
> arduous road to follow.
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>
> Listers,
>
> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
> he discusses the tin cup:
>
> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>
> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> one reason the term disability is now used.
>
> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>
>> Atty
>>
>>
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> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:02:18 -0400
> From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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> Peter,
>
> This is my issue with web accessibility. I don't know that everyone
> will
> ever be able to agree on what it means to be accessible, because there
> are
> varying levels of computer skills and screen reader features. So far I
> must
> say you are the only person I've seen complain about the accessibility
> of
> the Pepsi Challenge project, which does not mean your complaint is
> irrelevant. It means there must surely be others who are experiencing
> similar problems, but I have not yet heard a valid reason for why the
> CAPTCHA feature is posing such a problem. There are two services that
> help
> blind users translate the CAPTCHA codes. Even deaf and blind users can
> have
> the text transmitted without bothering with the audio. My point here is
> not
> to turn your concerns away. They are valid, but technology is changing.
> To
> me it sounds as though you are reluctant to change with it, and in the
> meantime should we turn away from a free means of earning $250,000 just
> because we want to prove a point? If we don't take advantage of this
> project while it lasts, someone else will, and would you actually argue
> that
> those other projects are more important than the future potential of our
> math and science enthusiasts? These are, after all, the people on whom
> we
> are relying to build that there car for blind folk. For every minute
> you
> spent writing your flurry of posts objecting the Pepsi project, you
> could
> have been spending the time communicating with Pepsi. You're the web
> development guy who could have expertly conveyed to them what is needed.
> I'm having difficulty feeling empathetic with you on this one.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:12 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
> ourselves
> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
> develop the
> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car
> independently we should
> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services
> to serve as
> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
> accessible to all.
> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
>
> Peter and others,
>
> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>
> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that is
> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>
> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting a
> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them to
> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> after attending Youth Slam.
>
> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money raised,
> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and society
> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>
> Bridgit
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> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:44:06 -0400
> From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
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> Amen, Judith.
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> On 8/20/2010 2:03 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>
>> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the majority
>> or to rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life
>> is not a game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have
>> guessed that blind could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over
>>
>
>> the world use a cup, charity box or some other kind of vessel to
>> collect for their organizations, the needy and the otherwise
>> disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a myth or are you going out
>> of your way to prove that every negative associated with blindness has
>>
>
>> been successful in portraying the blind since forever? The guy
>> standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money using a
>>
>
>> large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
>> up and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priscilla McKinley"
>> <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>
>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>
>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>
>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:45:57 -0400
> From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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> Well put, Bridget!
> Donna
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> On 8/20/2010 2:52 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>
>> Peter and others,
>>
>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>
>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
>>
> is
>
>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>
>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting
>>
> a
>
>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
>>
> to
>
>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>
>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>>
> raised,
>
>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>>
> society
>
>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>
>> Bridgit
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:00:04 -0500
> From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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> I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. *smile* As a
> person who has had severl fundraisers over the years, including
> selling calendars, hot dogs, candy bars, shot glasses, Capitol Steps
> tickets, to name just a few, we never had a container sitting on the
> table where people could drop money. We would accept donations that
> were given to us but that meant the people had to interact in some
> way. They couldn't just walk by and ignore us, dropping money in a
> jar. They had to talk to us, to hand us the money. Similarly, people
> who donate online will be at our website and see positive images.
> Plus, they have to make a conscious decision to go there. (If
> dropping money in a container, some people might not even remember
> the name of the group to which they gave money.)
>
> When I was living on the East Coast and was a member of a chapter
> there, we discussed this topic in great detail. We talked about blind
> beggers in the past and the idea of the tin cup. People would walk
> by, dig into their pockets, and put change in the cup, pitying the
> blind. As a chapter, we decided to empty our pockets for other
> organizations instead. The chapter president gave everyone a plastic
> container and told us to drop our change in their over the next month
> and bring the containers back to the next meeting, which was in
> November. After receiving the containers and putting it in the
> account, the chapter presented the money in check form for an
> organization that was providing holiday meals and gifts for struggling
> families. Instead of taking, we were giving.
>
> While I'm no expert on this topic, I know how I viewed blindness
> before I lost my sight, and I see the same reactions from others today
> now that I am blind. There are a lot of organizational things that I
> don't agree with, but I would agree with Dr. Jernigan that that image
> needs to be changed. Even today, I don't think it has. Like someone
> said on here, the car that the blind can drive is supposed to
> represent the positives, the future. Well, I believe the cup or
> container just sitting there symbolizes the past, the negatives. But
> again, that is just one opinion out of many. Perhaps someone should
> write a letter to Doctor Maurer so he can read it at one of his
> leadership seminars. I'm sure there would be lots of opinions, as
> there are for almost every letter read at the seminars.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, Joe Orozco<jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
>>
> cup, I
>
>> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>>
> brochures
>
>> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
>> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
>>
> the
>
>> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
>>
> public
>
>> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
>>
> attract
>
>> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
>> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
>>
> contrary, one
>
>> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
>>
> among
>
>> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>>
> group?
>
>> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the presence
>>
> or
>
>> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
>>
> about
>
>> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>>
> opinion
>
>> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
>>
> whether the
>
>> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
>>
> group
>
>> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
>>
> strategy
>
>> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
>>
> agencies not
>
>> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care of
>>
> foster
>
>> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
>>
> people
>
>> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>>
> sought.
>
>> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by exuding
>> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
>>
> what is
>
>> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long and
>> arduous road to follow.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>
> sleeves,
>
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>
>> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
>> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>
>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
>> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>
>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Writers Division web site:
>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>
>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:10:20 -0500
> From: "The Crowd"<the_crowd at cox.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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> The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for change
> and
> donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same door, with
> the
> same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>
> I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put one in
> mine.
>
> I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And they
> didn't
> think that of us.
>
> Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with things
> like,
> "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin and
> witch
> suckers!"
>
> Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you support
> the
> NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>
> "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
> sighted
> one!
>
> So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar sitting on a
>
> table full of informational litature and products to sell and equates it
> to
> a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some way,
> has
> issues in themselves, blind or not.
>
> Atty
>
>
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