[stylist] eat, prey, love
Bridgit Pollpeter
bpollpeter at hotmail.com
Mon Aug 23 00:44:27 UTC 2010
Priscilla,
First, thank god 'cause I was sick of that topic too! *smile*
I just downloaded the book from NLS, but have not read it yet. It is
not something I naturally gravitate towards, but I am open since at the
very least I can learn something about structure and so forth and so on.
I like non-fiction that thinks outside the box and experiments with
style and form. I try to do this with my own writing. It is
interesting to me how some are so confined to their own definition of
non-fiction and refuse to open their minds even a crack. I think
non-fiction encompasses a wide variety of styles including
non-traditional forms.
I recently read a few things by David Sedaris which I really enjoyed.
He is not for everyone, but I like his style. Another food based book
that I found fun was Julie/Julia: My Year of Cooking Dangerously.
Oddly enough, they changed the movie from the book which I find
interesting as it is non-fiction. I enjoyed the movie, but the book has
a much more sardonic tone which I appreciate and enjoy! Another book
off the top of my head actually was written by a prof of mine, Man
Killed by Pheasant. A good read and if you are into conservation, you
will enjoy this. Actually, do you know Dr. Price, Priscilla?
I like Annie Dillard's voice. I don't like everything by her, but she
has such a unique style and voice. Very introspective and spiritual.
Again, not a writer for everyone, but great nonetheless.
Bridgit
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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:39:42 -0500
From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
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Bridgit,
I think it's great that your chapter has a chance to speak with all
those who drop money in your jar. Like I said, if there was a vote in
our chapter, I would go with the majority and have no problems with
having a jar on the table, even though I don't agree that a jar is the
best way to get donations. But then again, no one in my chapter has
ever suggested having a jar or other container for donations.
Last month, our chapter had a garage sale to raise money. We didn't
have a jar on the table, but we did receive donations. People came up
to our table and said they wanted to make donations or would tell us
to keep the change, which gave us the chance to talk about the NFB and
what we do. Would a jar on the table have made a difference in the
number of donations we received? I don't know, and I don't really
care, since we made a lot from the sale. (By the way, I don't
recommend garage sales for fundraisers, unless you have enough people
to work, especially when you have the sale on the hottest and most
humid day of the summer!)
Again, I have an opinion on the topic, but so does everyone else.
Speaking of which, I'm going to start a new topic in another message
so we can get off of this one.
Priscilla
On 8/21/10, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Priscilla,
>
> Yes, begging and simply asking for a donation without explaining why
or
> who it is for is not only (in my opinion) against Federation
philosophy,
> but unethical in general. Our chapter, however, has never (in my
> history in any case) done this. Though we may have a large plastic
> donation jar to place money in during events and activities, we never
> just have a jar alone, and we never, never, never allow passers-bys to
> donate without engaging them in conversation.
>
> Every event my chapter does is established as an outreach opportunity
> which means we always have NFB brochures and we introduce ourselves
and
> our organization, explaining our purpose. We firmly believe that our
> actions more than anything are what help change perceptions. This was
> my original point, that some of us place a focus on something simple
and
> minor like the vessel chosen to store money, saying this some how over
> shadows the fact that blind people are accepting and handling all
money
> as well as interacting with people and making a point to explain the
> Federation. One of us always handles the money, we do not just allow
> people to "drop" money in, plus we always have a product we are
selling
> as opposed to just taking donations.
>
> So I still fail to see anything wrong with this. Many have pointed
out
> that a donation button on our websites is no different than a jar for
> donations. The old beggar image brings up pictures of down and out
> people standing on literal street corners asking or begging for money
as
> people walk by with no rhyme or reason. When chapters, like mine,
> organize an established event where our main objective is to educate
and
> inform by handing out information and speaking directly with people, I
> fail to see the similarities.
>
> Trust me, I abhor the negative perceptions that still exist, but if I
> try to prove a point to every person I meet every day, I will just end
> up overwhelmed and frustrated. Actually, we are the ones who remember
> the "begger image" more than anyone as it is a part of our past. Many
> people I speak with do not even realize this. They do not make the
> connection. I am one who often looks for the negative attitudes, but
by
> constantly doing this, we risk having a bad attitude ourselves. Not
> everyone has negative ideas about the blind, and many do not think
that
> deeply about something like a jar. If we (the blind) are confident,
> capable and gracious, we have a better chance to leave a lasting
image.
> Not to say that we still don't have battles to win, but, as the old
> adage goes, you catch more flies with honey. I hate this clich?, but
it
> often proves to be true.
>
> So I wish to defend my chapter by saying that we do not condone
placing
> a jar or cup on a table, allow people to put money in and just
passively
> sit there. One of us always handles the money, which means we accept
it
> as it is offered as well as making change if necessary, and we always
> have a product like candy bars to sell. If people choose to donate,
but
> do not want our product, should we decline? We also always hand out
> information along with speaking to all who approach our table. If
this
> is bad philosophy then I guess we should be excommunicated.
>
> I also wish to say that at the end of the day we have to live with
> ourselves and realize no matter what we do, inevitably we can not
change
> everyone's minds. We can do our best and live up to our full
potential
> as individuals and groups, but if people choose to believe their own
> concept of reality, well that is on them. To some, all they will ever
> see is a cane and draw their own medieval conclusions. Yes we must
make
> sure we present the image we believe ourselves capable of, but how
many
> of us have done this and still deal with those who think we can't do
> anything? Most of us I am sure. Our actions speak louder than words,
> but some will always only hear what they want. At the end of the day,
I
> have to be comfortable with who I am as a person. We always say that
we
> are people, just like everyone else, we just happen to be blind. Yet
we
> place distinctions on ourselves by saying we have to prove something
as
> a blind person. What happened to just being a person?
>
> Bridgit
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> 7. Re: social networking and youth slam (Joe Orozco)
> 8. Re: question about philosophy (Donna Hill)
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> 10. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
> 11. Re: question about philosophy (The Crowd)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:18:22 -0500
> From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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> Listers,
>
> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
> he discusses the tin cup:
>
> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>
> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> one reason the term disability is now used.
>
> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>
>> Atty
>>
>>
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> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:03:05 -0400
> From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the majority
or
> to
> rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life is not
a
>
> game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have guessed that
> blind
> could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over the world use a
cup,
>
> charity box or some other kind of vessel to collect for their
> organizations,
> the needy and the otherwise disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a
> myth
> or are you going out of your way to prove that every negative
associated
>
> with blindness has been successful in portraying the blind since
> forever?
> The guy standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money
> using
> a large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
> up
> and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Priscilla McKinley" <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>
>
> Listers,
>
> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
> he discusses the tin cup:
>
> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>
> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> one reason the term disability is now used.
>
> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>
>> Atty
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:48 -0500
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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> Peter and others,
>
> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>
> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
is
> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>
> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting
a
> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
to
> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> after attending Youth Slam.
>
> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>
> Bridgit
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:05:02 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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> um the NFB had to sign up to be part of this I think they would know
if
> this
> is accessible or not since Dr. Maurer did announce it on the Monthly
> Presidential Release and that if he could do it anybody could do it.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 PM
> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
>
>> Peter and others,
>>
>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>
>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
can
>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
> is
>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>
>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting
> a
>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
> to
>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
changed
>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>
>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> raised,
>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> society
>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>
>> Bridgit
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:11:51 -0500
> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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> Hello everyone,
>
> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
ourselves
>
> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can develop
> the
> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car independently we
> should
> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services to
serve
> as
> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made accessible
to
> all.
> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
>
> Peter and others,
>
> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>
> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
is
> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>
> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting
a
> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
to
> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> after attending Youth Slam.
>
> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>
> Bridgit
> _______________________________________________
> Writers Division web site:
> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
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> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:49:34 -0400
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
> cup, I
> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
> brochures
> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
the
> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
public
> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
> attract
> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
contrary,
> one
> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
among
> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
> group?
> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the presence
> or
> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
> about
> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
> opinion
> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
whether
> the
> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
> group
> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
strategy
> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
agencies
> not
> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care of
> foster
> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
> people
> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
> sought.
> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by exuding
> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
> what is
> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long and
> arduous road to follow.
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>
> Listers,
>
> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
> he discusses the tin cup:
>
> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>
> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> one reason the term disability is now used.
>
> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>
>> Atty
>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:02:18 -0400
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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> Peter,
>
> This is my issue with web accessibility. I don't know that everyone
> will
> ever be able to agree on what it means to be accessible, because there
> are
> varying levels of computer skills and screen reader features. So far
I
> must
> say you are the only person I've seen complain about the accessibility
> of
> the Pepsi Challenge project, which does not mean your complaint is
> irrelevant. It means there must surely be others who are experiencing
> similar problems, but I have not yet heard a valid reason for why the
> CAPTCHA feature is posing such a problem. There are two services that
> help
> blind users translate the CAPTCHA codes. Even deaf and blind users
can
> have
> the text transmitted without bothering with the audio. My point here
is
> not
> to turn your concerns away. They are valid, but technology is
changing.
> To
> me it sounds as though you are reluctant to change with it, and in the
> meantime should we turn away from a free means of earning $250,000
just
> because we want to prove a point? If we don't take advantage of this
> project while it lasts, someone else will, and would you actually
argue
> that
> those other projects are more important than the future potential of
our
> math and science enthusiasts? These are, after all, the people on
whom
> we
> are relying to build that there car for blind folk. For every minute
> you
> spent writing your flurry of posts objecting the Pepsi project, you
> could
> have been spending the time communicating with Pepsi. You're the web
> development guy who could have expertly conveyed to them what is
needed.
> I'm having difficulty feeling empathetic with you on this one.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:12 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
> ourselves
> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
> develop the
> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car
> independently we should
> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services
> to serve as
> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
> accessible to all.
> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
>
> Peter and others,
>
> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>
> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
is
> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>
> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting
a
> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
to
> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> after attending Youth Slam.
>
> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>
> Bridgit
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:44:06 -0400
> From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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> On 8/20/2010 2:03 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the majority
>> or to rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life
>> is not a game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have
>> guessed that blind could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all
over
>
>> the world use a cup, charity box or some other kind of vessel to
>> collect for their organizations, the needy and the otherwise
>> disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a myth or are you going out
>> of your way to prove that every negative associated with blindness
has
>
>> been successful in portraying the blind since forever? The guy
>> standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money using
a
>
>> large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
>> up and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priscilla McKinley"
>> <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>
>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>
>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
many
>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>
>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>>
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> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:45:57 -0400
> From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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> Donna
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> On 8/20/2010 2:52 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>> Peter and others,
>>
>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>
>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
can
>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
> is
>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>
>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting
> a
>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
> to
>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
changed
>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>
>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> raised,
>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> society
>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>
>> Bridgit
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:00:04 -0500
> From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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> I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. *smile* As a
> person who has had severl fundraisers over the years, including
> selling calendars, hot dogs, candy bars, shot glasses, Capitol Steps
> tickets, to name just a few, we never had a container sitting on the
> table where people could drop money. We would accept donations that
> were given to us but that meant the people had to interact in some
> way. They couldn't just walk by and ignore us, dropping money in a
> jar. They had to talk to us, to hand us the money. Similarly, people
> who donate online will be at our website and see positive images.
> Plus, they have to make a conscious decision to go there. (If
> dropping money in a container, some people might not even remember
> the name of the group to which they gave money.)
>
> When I was living on the East Coast and was a member of a chapter
> there, we discussed this topic in great detail. We talked about blind
> beggers in the past and the idea of the tin cup. People would walk
> by, dig into their pockets, and put change in the cup, pitying the
> blind. As a chapter, we decided to empty our pockets for other
> organizations instead. The chapter president gave everyone a plastic
> container and told us to drop our change in their over the next month
> and bring the containers back to the next meeting, which was in
> November. After receiving the containers and putting it in the
> account, the chapter presented the money in check form for an
> organization that was providing holiday meals and gifts for struggling
> families. Instead of taking, we were giving.
>
> While I'm no expert on this topic, I know how I viewed blindness
> before I lost my sight, and I see the same reactions from others today
> now that I am blind. There are a lot of organizational things that I
> don't agree with, but I would agree with Dr. Jernigan that that image
> needs to be changed. Even today, I don't think it has. Like someone
> said on here, the car that the blind can drive is supposed to
> represent the positives, the future. Well, I believe the cup or
> container just sitting there symbolizes the past, the negatives. But
> again, that is just one opinion out of many. Perhaps someone should
> write a letter to Doctor Maurer so he can read it at one of his
> leadership seminars. I'm sure there would be lots of opinions, as
> there are for almost every letter read at the seminars.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
> cup, I
>> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
> brochures
>> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
>> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
> the
>> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
> public
>> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
> attract
>> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
>> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
> contrary, one
>> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
> among
>> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
> group?
>> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
presence
> or
>> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
> about
>> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
> opinion
>> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
> whether the
>> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
> group
>> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
> strategy
>> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
> agencies not
>> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care of
> foster
>> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
> people
>> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
> sought.
>> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
exuding
>> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
> what is
>> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long and
>> arduous road to follow.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>
>> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
>> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>
>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
many
>> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>
>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:10:20 -0500
> From: "The Crowd" <the_crowd at cox.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>
> The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for change
> and
> donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same door,
with
> the
> same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>
> I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put one in
> mine.
>
> I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And they
> didn't
> think that of us.
>
> Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with things
> like,
> "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin and
> witch
> suckers!"
>
> Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you
support
> the
> NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>
> "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
> sighted
> one!
>
> So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar sitting on
a
>
> table full of informational litature and products to sell and equates
it
> to
> a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some way,
> has
> issues in themselves, blind or not.
>
> Atty
>
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:53:48 -0500
From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
To: stylist at nfbnet.org
Subject: [stylist] "Eat, Pray, Love"
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Did anyone read the memoir "Eat, Pray, Love" by Elizabeth Gilbert and
then see the movie starring Julia Roberts? Did you like the book?
What did you think of the movie version? Did you think the movie
accurately represented Gilbert's struggles in her memoir? So many
times, people say the books are better than the movies. In this case,
I would say that the movie was better than the book. According to
some reviews, the book was supposed to be hilarious. I don't agree.
Anyone?
Also, if you read the book, what impressed you about the style of her
memoir? Did you like the linear structure? For those who are memoir
writers, what structures have you used that work well? For anyone,
what do you look for when reading memoirs besides the obvious, like
changes in the main characters/authors?
Finally, what memoirs have you read that impressed you? Why?
Thanks,
Priscilla
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:48:18 -0400
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] "Eat, Pray, Love"
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yes I read the book and saw the movie. I loved the book, there is always
things left out of the Movie but you get the actual feelings of what the
writer Elizabeth Gilbert went through. I myself as being into travel
would
love to go to all of the exotic places, and yes she had the money to do
this
as well. But I put this emphasis in my business when I try and want to
get
blind people to travel.
Even though we cannot see we can have our own eat, smell, touch, hear
and
enjoy things in life. Life shouldn't be taken for granted, up until
December 10. 2001 I was a sighted almost healthy person dealing with
diabetes. Until that date and found myself legally blind, now almost
total
with only 15 percent vision in one eye. And was on Dialysis for 4 1/2
Years. Tomorrow I will be celebrating the 5th Anniversary of my Kidney
Transplant, which we in the family of transplant recipients a
re-birthday
and this year, I will be celebrating it without 2 of those special
people in
my family.
My best friend Steven Carroll, who donated his kidney to me will be gone
8
month this past August 20th, he was going to be 44 years old in May, he
was
May 12th and I was April 13th our birthdays. He past away in January
from
a fast moving cancer. And my dear friend from the NFB, who geared me
towards my way of living in the blind community Mr. Ed Bryant.
So enjoy you own eat, pray, love. And enjoy everyday of your life.
Because
you may not be able to do it tomorrow and there is so much out there to
enjoy.
The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
Cheryl Echevarria
Independent Travel Consultant
C10-10646
http://Echevarriatravel.com
1-866-580-5574
skype: angeldn3
Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
CST-1018299-10
Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel
Inc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Priscilla McKinley" <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:53 PM
Subject: [stylist] "Eat, Pray, Love"
> Did anyone read the memoir "Eat, Pray, Love" by Elizabeth Gilbert and
> then see the movie starring Julia Roberts? Did you like the book?
> What did you think of the movie version? Did you think the movie
> accurately represented Gilbert's struggles in her memoir? So many
> times, people say the books are better than the movies. In this case,
> I would say that the movie was better than the book. According to
> some reviews, the book was supposed to be hilarious. I don't agree.
> Anyone?
>
> Also, if you read the book, what impressed you about the style of her
> memoir? Did you like the linear structure? For those who are memoir
> writers, what structures have you used that work well? For anyone,
> what do you look for when reading memoirs besides the obvious, like
> changes in the main characters/authors?
>
> Finally, what memoirs have you read that impressed you? Why?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Priscilla
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:32:13 -0500
From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] "Eat, Pray, Love"
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Cheryl,
So what did you like about the book? In what ways could you connect
to the author? What made you keep reading? Like I said, I liked the
movie more than the book, partly because I thought Gilbert went on a
bit too long in a lot of places in the book. As the saying goes,
"Show, don't tell." I felt as though she told her audience rather
than showed her audience what happened and how she felt.
As far as the diabetes, I can relate very much to your story. I have
had Type 1 diabetes since I was a kid. I lost my sight and my kidneys
failed the day my son was born due to extremely high blood pressure
from pre-eclampsia. I spent a year on dialysis and had six eye
operations during that time, all failures, causing total blindness.
Since then, I've had two kidney transplants, three heart attacks, two
amputations, two femoral bypasses, and a mild stroke. But I love my
life and wouldn't change it for anything. Like you, I live every day
as though there might not be a tomorrow.
Congratulations on the five-year kidney transplant. I had a huge
party for the five-year anniversary of my first transplant, and my
brother, the donor, drove half way across the country to attend. He
teaches computer science at Michigan State and wasn't used to my
literary crowd, mostly friends from the writing program at the
University of Iowa. They asked him questions like, "So which kidney
did you give her?" He wasn't used to people being so open about
personal issues, to real-life confessions. *smile*
Priscilla
On 8/22/10, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
> yes I read the book and saw the movie. I loved the book, there is
always
> things left out of the Movie but you get the actual feelings of what
the
> writer Elizabeth Gilbert went through. I myself as being into travel
would
> love to go to all of the exotic places, and yes she had the money to
do this
> as well. But I put this emphasis in my business when I try and want to
get
> blind people to travel.
>
> Even though we cannot see we can have our own eat, smell, touch, hear
and
> enjoy things in life. Life shouldn't be taken for granted, up until
> December 10. 2001 I was a sighted almost healthy person dealing with
> diabetes. Until that date and found myself legally blind, now almost
total
> with only 15 percent vision in one eye. And was on Dialysis for 4 1/2
> Years. Tomorrow I will be celebrating the 5th Anniversary of my
Kidney
> Transplant, which we in the family of transplant recipients a
re-birthday
> and this year, I will be celebrating it without 2 of those special
people in
> my family.
>
> My best friend Steven Carroll, who donated his kidney to me will be
gone 8
> month this past August 20th, he was going to be 44 years old in May,
he was
> May 12th and I was April 13th our birthdays. He past away in January
from
> a fast moving cancer. And my dear friend from the NFB, who geared me
> towards my way of living in the blind community Mr. Ed Bryant.
>
> So enjoy you own eat, pray, love. And enjoy everyday of your life.
Because
> you may not be able to do it tomorrow and there is so much out there
to
> enjoy.
>
> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> Independent Travel Consultant
> C10-10646
>
> http://Echevarriatravel.com
> 1-866-580-5574
> skype: angeldn3
>
> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
CST-1018299-10
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and
Travel Inc.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Priscilla McKinley" <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:53 PM
> Subject: [stylist] "Eat, Pray, Love"
>
>
>> Did anyone read the memoir "Eat, Pray, Love" by Elizabeth Gilbert and
>> then see the movie starring Julia Roberts? Did you like the book?
>> What did you think of the movie version? Did you think the movie
>> accurately represented Gilbert's struggles in her memoir? So many
>> times, people say the books are better than the movies. In this
case,
>> I would say that the movie was better than the book. According to
>> some reviews, the book was supposed to be hilarious. I don't agree.
>> Anyone?
>>
>> Also, if you read the book, what impressed you about the style of her
>> memoir? Did you like the linear structure? For those who are memoir
>> writers, what structures have you used that work well? For anyone,
>> what do you look for when reading memoirs besides the obvious, like
>> changes in the main characters/authors?
>>
>> Finally, what memoirs have you read that impressed you? Why?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:47:29 -0400
From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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Peter,
I'm sorry. I've held my tongue long enough. You say you don't belong to
these social networks and make it sound like there's some kind of "rule"
against it, but you still have a Linked In account and are listed as one
of my connections.
Donna
Read Donna's articles on
Suite 101:
www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
Ezine Articles:
http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
American Chronicle:
www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
Connect with Donna on
Twitter:
www.twitter.com/dewhill
LinkedIn:
www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
FaceBook:
www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
Apple I-Tunes
phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=25924437
4
Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
www.padnfb.org
On 8/22/2010 12:41 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
> Hello Cheryl and everyone,
>
> If we're going to encourage blind people to use the Internet and
all it
> offers we should not engage in activities that could compromise our
position
> on Internet accessibility. The only social network Mary and I join is
one we
> build ourselves; one that is under the control of those who understand
the
> importance of accessibility and who ensure that all can use it
> independently.
>
> The Pepsi Challenge wasn't even discussed at our chapter meeting
> yesterday. Other members and blind people we've talked to about this
whole
> issue have chosen not to participate for many of the same reasons. If
there
> were ways to vote without having to join a social network particularly
for
> that purpose, having to mess with captchas, etc more of us would have
> participated. Our chapter president didn't even mention this campaign
at
> yesterday's meeting and yours truly kept his mouth shut . And
especially so
> as we had a large number of guests present several of which became
members
> when the meeting was over. All the best.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cheryl echevarria"<cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
>
> why is everyone so negative, aren't we trying to fight the sterotypes,
and
> encourage blind to use the website and social networking and we do
have
> accessible phone we can use as well, that allow you to go online.
>
> goodness let's all feel sorry for ourselves and not help our
organization
> out. boo hoo.
>
> Geez louise. Enough already.
>
> And these are leaders in the NFB that are saying this stuff, way to
go. How
> embarrassing!
>
> I am an Officer and I try to encourage others on how to do things, I
was
> just helping one of my chapter members to do it and she did it.
>
> If we can help youth slam, how do we suppose to encourage others to do
it.
>
> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> Independent Travel Consultant
> C10-10646
>
> http://Echevarriatravel.com
> 1-866-580-5574
> skype: angeldn3
>
> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
CST-1018299-10
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and
Travel Inc.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna Hill"<penatwork at epix.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
>
>
>> Hi Bridget,
>> I agree with you about isolating ourselves. The whole separate but
equal
>> thing about setting up accessible social networking scares the
daylights
>> out of me. It plays right into the hands of the frightened sighted
>> public who would rather not have to deal with us. It also keeps us
from
>> interacting in the same arena which our sighted peers have. In short,
>> the site might be more accessible to us, but it doesn't make the
world
>> more accessible to us.
>> Donna
>>
>> Read Donna's articles on
>> Suite 101:
>> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
>> Ezine Articles:
>> http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
>> American Chronicle:
>> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>>
>> Connect with Donna on
>> Twitter:
>> www.twitter.com/dewhill
>> LinkedIn:
>> www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
>> FaceBook:
>> www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
>>
>> Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
>> cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>> Apple I-Tunes
>>
phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=25924437
4
>>
>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>> www.padnfb.org
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/2010 11:01 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>>
>>> Yes we need to ensure accessibility happens so that everyone has
equal
>>> access to whatever, but if we constantly set up things, whether they
be
>>> websites or other avenues, specifically for a certain group, aren't
we
>>> isolating ourselves from society? People must realize that products
>>> should be accessible for any user, and if a group or company refuses
to
>>> do so, then it makes sense to establish our own product, but must we
>>> always create our own products, or can we not continue to work with
>>> existing companies and products to find solutions? I will use
Facebook
>>> for an example since this seems to be the name that keeps coming up
in
>>> the argument, but so many blind people use Facebook with little or
no
>>> problems. Personally I am no fan of Facebook, but where is the real
>>> issue? The NFB and other groups seem to be attempting to address
the
>>> issue as much as they can. Many, many products and websites are now
>>> usable by the blind and we didn't have to spend money to develop the
>>> same thing. I call that smart business! *smile*
>>>
>>> Also, there are other disabilities beyond blindness that often
require
>>> accommodations and modifications. Should all cars be drivable off
theh
>>> lot by Little People? Should Spanish and ASL be required for all
public
>>> officials? Should every building be created so that even those with
>>> mobility issues can access it? Of course, but the world does not
always
>>> think from this perspective. We, the disabled, must ensure our own
>>> accessibility, but we don't have to always start from the ground up.
We
>>> can and should work with existing structures which then allow us to
be a
>>> part of society and not isolating ourselves.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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On
>>> Behalf Of stylist-request at nfbnet.org
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:00 PM
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>>> 1. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
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>>> 3. social networking and youth slam (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>>> 4. Re: social networking and youth slam (cheryl echevarria)
>>> 5. Re: social networking and youth slam (Peter Donahue)
>>> 6. Re: question about philosophy (Joe Orozco)
>>> 7. Re: social networking and youth slam (Joe Orozco)
>>> 8. Re: question about philosophy (Donna Hill)
>>> 9. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
>>> 10. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>>> 11. Re: question about philosophy (The Crowd)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:18:22 -0500
>>> From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>
>>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
>>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>>
>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
many
>>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>
>>>> Atty
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:03:05 -0400
>>> From: Judith Bron<jbron at optonline.net>
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>>>
>>> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
majority or
>>> to
>>> rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life is
not a
>>>
>>> game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have guessed
that
>>> blind
>>> could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over the world use a
cup,
>>>
>>> charity box or some other kind of vessel to collect for their
>>> organizations,
>>> the needy and the otherwise disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel
a
>>> myth
>>> or are you going out of your way to prove that every negative
associated
>>>
>>> with blindness has been successful in portraying the blind since
>>> forever?
>>> The guy standing on the street during holiday time is collecting
money
>>> using
>>> a large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to
grow
>>> up
>>> and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Priscilla McKinley"<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>
>>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>
>>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
>>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>>
>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
many
>>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>
>>>> Atty
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:48 -0500
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP407C91BF2CE029EB8B1FBDC49F0 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Peter and others,
>>>
>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
can
>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
that is
>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>
>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
with
>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting a
>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
never
>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
people
>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them to
>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
changed
>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>
>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
confidence
>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:05:02 -0400
>>> From: "cheryl echevarria"<cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> Message-ID:<BAY110-DS689D8C5F44A944FAC81ECA19F0 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> um the NFB had to sign up to be part of this I think they would know
if
>>> this
>>> is accessible or not since Dr. Maurer did announce it on the Monthly
>>> Presidential Release and that if he could do it anybody could do it.
>>>
>>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>>
>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>> Independent Travel Consultant
>>> C10-10646
>>>
>>> http://Echevarriatravel.com
>>> 1-866-580-5574
>>> skype: angeldn3
>>>
>>> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>>> CST-1018299-10
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and
Travel
>>> Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 PM
>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Peter and others,
>>>>
>>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
>>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
>>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
can
>>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
>>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
>>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
on.
>>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
are
>>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
>>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
that
>>>>
>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>
>>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>>
>>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
complications, I
>>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
with
>>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting
>>>>
>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>
>>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
never
>>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
people
>>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them
>>>>
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
changed
>>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>>
>>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
>>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>>>>
>>>>
>>> raised,
>>>
>>>
>>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>>>>
>>>>
>>> society
>>>
>>>
>>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
confidence
>>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>
>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:11:51 -0500
>>> From: "Peter Donahue"<pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> Message-ID:<001701cb409b$8cc76f20$4001a8c0 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
>>> ourselves
>>>
>>> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
develop
>>> the
>>> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car independently we
>>> should
>>> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services to
serve
>>> as
>>> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made accessible
to
>>> all.
>>> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>>> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter and others,
>>>
>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
can
>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
that is
>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>
>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
with
>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting a
>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
never
>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
people
>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them to
>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
changed
>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>
>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
confidence
>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Writers Division web site:
>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:49:34 -0400
>>> From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> Message-ID:<94B68AE810DF4C029D6F3DED7019AE2F at Rufus>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
>>> cup, I
>>> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>>> brochures
>>> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>>> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>>> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
>>> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
the
>>> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
public
>>> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
>>> attract
>>> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
>>> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
contrary,
>>> one
>>> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
among
>>> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>>> group?
>>> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
presence
>>> or
>>> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
>>> about
>>> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>>> opinion
>>> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
whether
>>> the
>>> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
>>> group
>>> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
strategy
>>> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
agencies
>>> not
>>> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care
of
>>> foster
>>> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of
these
>>> people
>>> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>>> sought.
>>> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>>> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
exuding
>>> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
>>> what is
>>> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
and
>>> arduous road to follow.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>
>>> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
>>> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>>
>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
many
>>> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>
>>>> Atty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>
>>>
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>>> la.mckinley%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:02:18 -0400
>>> From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> Message-ID:<659A73BDED1248F1B6A150EBB34828E3 at Rufus>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> This is my issue with web accessibility. I don't know that everyone
>>> will
>>> ever be able to agree on what it means to be accessible, because
there
>>> are
>>> varying levels of computer skills and screen reader features. So
far I
>>> must
>>> say you are the only person I've seen complain about the
accessibility
>>> of
>>> the Pepsi Challenge project, which does not mean your complaint is
>>> irrelevant. It means there must surely be others who are
experiencing
>>> similar problems, but I have not yet heard a valid reason for why
the
>>> CAPTCHA feature is posing such a problem. There are two services
that
>>> help
>>> blind users translate the CAPTCHA codes. Even deaf and blind users
can
>>> have
>>> the text transmitted without bothering with the audio. My point
here is
>>> not
>>> to turn your concerns away. They are valid, but technology is
changing.
>>> To
>>> me it sounds as though you are reluctant to change with it, and in
the
>>> meantime should we turn away from a free means of earning $250,000
just
>>> because we want to prove a point? If we don't take advantage of
this
>>> project while it lasts, someone else will, and would you actually
argue
>>> that
>>> those other projects are more important than the future potential of
our
>>> math and science enthusiasts? These are, after all, the people on
whom
>>> we
>>> are relying to build that there car for blind folk. For every
minute
>>> you
>>> spent writing your flurry of posts objecting the Pepsi project, you
>>> could
>>> have been spending the time communicating with Pepsi. You're the
web
>>> development guy who could have expertly conveyed to them what is
needed.
>>> I'm having difficulty feeling empathetic with you on this one.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:12 PM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
>>> ourselves
>>> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
>>> develop the
>>> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car
>>> independently we should
>>> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services
>>> to serve as
>>> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
>>> accessible to all.
>>> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>>> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter and others,
>>>
>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
can
>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
that is
>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>
>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
with
>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting a
>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
never
>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
people
>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them to
>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
changed
>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>
>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
confidence
>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:44:06 -0400
>>> From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>>> Amen, Judith.
>>>
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>>> On 8/20/2010 2:03 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
majority
>>>> or to rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth?
Life
>>>> is not a game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have
>>>> guessed that blind could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all
over
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> the world use a cup, charity box or some other kind of vessel to
>>>> collect for their organizations, the needy and the otherwise
>>>> disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a myth or are you going
out
>>>> of your way to prove that every negative associated with blindness
has
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> been successful in portraying the blind since forever? The guy
>>>> standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money
using a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to
grow
>>>> up and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priscilla McKinley"
>>>> <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Listers,
>>>>
>>>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in
which
>>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>>
>>>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
it
>>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
>>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
>>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
>>>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response
"cup."
>>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
>>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
>>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>>>
>>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
>>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
many
>>>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
>>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>>
>>>> Priscilla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>>
>>>>> Atty
>>>>>
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>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:45:57 -0400
>>> From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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>>> Well put, Bridget!
>>> Donna
>>>
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>>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>>> www.padnfb.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/2010 2:52 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Peter and others,
>>>>
>>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
>>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
>>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
can
>>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
>>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
>>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
on.
>>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
are
>>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
>>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
that
>>>>
>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>
>>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>>
>>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
complications, I
>>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
with
>>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting
>>>>
>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>
>>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
never
>>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
people
>>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them
>>>>
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
changed
>>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>>
>>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
>>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>>>>
>>>>
>>> raised,
>>>
>>>
>>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>>>>
>>>>
>>> society
>>>
>>>
>>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
confidence
>>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:00:04 -0500
>>> From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>>> I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. *smile* As a
>>> person who has had severl fundraisers over the years, including
>>> selling calendars, hot dogs, candy bars, shot glasses, Capitol Steps
>>> tickets, to name just a few, we never had a container sitting on the
>>> table where people could drop money. We would accept donations that
>>> were given to us but that meant the people had to interact in some
>>> way. They couldn't just walk by and ignore us, dropping money in a
>>> jar. They had to talk to us, to hand us the money. Similarly,
people
>>> who donate online will be at our website and see positive images.
>>> Plus, they have to make a conscious decision to go there. (If
>>> dropping money in a container, some people might not even remember
>>> the name of the group to which they gave money.)
>>>
>>> When I was living on the East Coast and was a member of a chapter
>>> there, we discussed this topic in great detail. We talked about
blind
>>> beggers in the past and the idea of the tin cup. People would walk
>>> by, dig into their pockets, and put change in the cup, pitying the
>>> blind. As a chapter, we decided to empty our pockets for other
>>> organizations instead. The chapter president gave everyone a
plastic
>>> container and told us to drop our change in their over the next
month
>>> and bring the containers back to the next meeting, which was in
>>> November. After receiving the containers and putting it in the
>>> account, the chapter presented the money in check form for an
>>> organization that was providing holiday meals and gifts for
struggling
>>> families. Instead of taking, we were giving.
>>>
>>> While I'm no expert on this topic, I know how I viewed blindness
>>> before I lost my sight, and I see the same reactions from others
today
>>> now that I am blind. There are a lot of organizational things that
I
>>> don't agree with, but I would agree with Dr. Jernigan that that
image
>>> needs to be changed. Even today, I don't think it has. Like
someone
>>> said on here, the car that the blind can drive is supposed to
>>> represent the positives, the future. Well, I believe the cup or
>>> container just sitting there symbolizes the past, the negatives.
But
>>> again, that is just one opinion out of many. Perhaps someone should
>>> write a letter to Doctor Maurer so he can read it at one of his
>>> leadership seminars. I'm sure there would be lots of opinions, as
>>> there are for almost every letter read at the seminars.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, Joe Orozco<jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a
donation
>>>>
>>>>
>>> cup, I
>>>
>>>
>>>> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>>>>
>>>>
>>> brochures
>>>
>>>
>>>> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>>>> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>>>> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
>>>> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space
for
>>>>
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
>>>>
>>>>
>>> public
>>>
>>>
>>>> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event
would
>>>>
>>>>
>>> attract
>>>
>>>
>>>> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members.
People
>>>> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
>>>>
>>>>
>>> contrary, one
>>>
>>>
>>>> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
>>>>
>>>>
>>> among
>>>
>>>
>>>> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>>>>
>>>>
>>> group?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
presence
>>>>
>>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>
>>>> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
>>>>
>>>>
>>> about
>>>
>>>
>>>> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>>>>
>>>>
>>> opinion
>>>
>>>
>>>> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
>>>>
>>>>
>>> whether the
>>>
>>>
>>>> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
>>>>
>>>>
>>> group
>>>
>>>
>>>> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
>>>>
>>>>
>>> strategy
>>>
>>>
>>>> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
>>>>
>>>>
>>> agencies not
>>>
>>>
>>>> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care
of
>>>>
>>>>
>>> foster
>>>
>>>
>>>> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of
these
>>>>
>>>>
>>> people
>>>
>>>
>>>> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>>>>
>>>>
>>> sought.
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>>>> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
exuding
>>>> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition
of
>>>>
>>>>
>>> what is
>>>
>>>
>>>> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
and
>>>> arduous road to follow.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>>
>>>>
>>> sleeves,
>>>
>>>
>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
Ewing
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>>
>>>> Listers,
>>>>
>>>> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>>> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in
which
>>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>>
>>>> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
it
>>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>>> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
>>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
>>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
>>>> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response
"cup."
>>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
>>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
>>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>>>
>>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
>>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
>>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
many
>>>> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
>>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>>
>>>> Priscilla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>>
>>>>> Atty
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
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>>> The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for
change
>>> and
>>> donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same door,
with
>>> the
>>> same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>>>
>>> I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put one
in
>>> mine.
>>>
>>> I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And they
>>> didn't
>>> think that of us.
>>>
>>> Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with things
>>> like,
>>> "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin
and
>>> witch
>>> suckers!"
>>>
>>> Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you
support
>>> the
>>> NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>>>
>>> "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
>>> sighted
>>> one!
>>>
>>> So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar sitting
on a
>>>
>>> table full of informational litature and products to sell and
equates it
>>> to
>>> a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some
way,
>>> has
>>> issues in themselves, blind or not.
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:55:21 -0500
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
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Subject: [stylist] question about philosophy
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Priscilla,
First, do you still live in Iowa? I trained at IDB in 2005, and my
husband, Ross, and I lived in Des Moines for about 2 years. Just
curious. We may know many of the same people.
Second, I agree that we are all entitled to our opinions and to the
expression of those opinions. To begin with, my concern is that to be
against donations and/or using something like a jar to put money in,
does not necessarily translate to a person as an individual having a
negative philosophy. I am not implying you have done this, but many
have, and I think we can potentially reach dangerous ground to make such
blanket statements. A lot of us have not personally made the connection
until now, so to allude to or imply that this is the sign of a bad
philosophy, well many of us apparently fit in this category now. The
"blind begger" image is a negative one that we should be mindful of, but
I would hardly say that a group who happens to utilize such a method is
not purposefully trying to bring the image back.
Next, I agree that in an academic setting one would want tangible
evidence to support their argument, however, in the real world, our
opinions can hold a lot of weight. Emotions and feelings can (note I
say can) be viable tools for an argument such as this. That is not to
say that we shouldn't be educated and informed on a topic, but, quite
frankly, we are not discussing dissertations. I like to have supporting
evidence in a debate even such as this, but I also know that just
because some one does not back up a claim with documented evidence (or
what some may accept as working evidence) does not mean their points are
invalid.
Since you have brought it up, I would ask my questions directly. One,
what is the difference of having a "donation" button on the NFB website,
and a chapter or affiliate using a jar (or something similar) to place
donations in? Also, you are saying that even when a group hands out NFB
literature and directly speaks to anyone from the public about the NFB,
if they happen to use a jar or container to store money in, this takes
precedence? In light of your argument, we should never hand out
literature as most won't read it anyway. What should we do then to
educate? Note my chapter does many events such as reading Braille books
to kids at public libraries, attending disability awareness fairs,
participating in community events including parades and carnivals, and
much more. At each event we have literature to hand out as well as
speaking to people, but if they won't read it or listen to what we have
to say, what is the point?
I am not disagreeing with the fact that asking for hand outs is wrong,
and to hold a cup and beg for money goes against what the NFB has
established. I feel that the begger image, though, is a different thing
from the point that many of us have made. This will be controversial,
but what the hell. Dr. Jernigan came from and lived through a time when
disabled beggers were still very much prevalent. It was his goal and
the goal of the Federation to change and destroy this image. However,
in today's world (thank God) it is not common to find disabled beggers
on the streets. Much has been done to fight this stereotype, and not
many outside of those belonging to that era, cling to this image of a
blind person. True, they still doubt our abilities and fear blindness
as the worse possible thing, but few (in my experience) are even aware
that such an image exist. Often when I discuss this stereotype with
others, they are not aware of the image, or if they are, this image does
not immediately come to mind. So I still refute the claim that in an
environment as I have previously described, most are not taking away an
image of how blind people can only beg for money. Many, not all, but
many see us running and organizing an event and engaging the public in
conversation, explaining what and who the NFB is. As blind people who
face a long battle still, we must be mindful of our past and what the
Federation has accomplished. We must be careful to maintain the new
burgeoning image and continue moving forward. To say, though, that
anyone who uses a receptacle of any kind to store money is holding the
blind back from escaping such negative stereotypes, may be at risk of
reaching other extremes themselves.
I respect and admire your points and appreciate your ability to have an
intellectual debate. I actually agree with your argument, but I
(holding to my opinion as well) still maintain that begging for money
with a tin cup is a different thing from groups presenting a positive
image of blindness by running and working events/activities, but who may
use a container of some kind to place money in. And once again, the
specific situation involving my chapter, we have never asked for
donations or allowed for donations without explaining who we are and
what the money raised does. We always have a product we sell along with
explaining the purpose for why we are raising funds.
This has sparked a good and interesting dialogue for the list. It is
good for us to learn how to articulate our arguments by approaching it
from an informed and intelligent perspective. As it is an email list,
we also learn how to voice our opinions and beliefs in a written format
which helps sharpen and develop our craft.
Bridgit
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:11:26 -0500
From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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As I said, people have different opinions, which is a great thing.
You are entitled to yours, just as I am entitled to mine. *smile* If
this came up in my chapter, we would just take a vote on the matter to
decide if we should or shouldn?t have a jar at a fundraiser. In fact,
out of curiosity, I might suggest this as a topic of discussion for
our next chapter meeting to hear all the views on the matter. I?m
not saying that my opinion is right; I am just saying that I hold my
opinion for various reasons, mostly based on the historical research I
did for my dissertation and Dr. Jernigan?s speeches.
When I taught Rhetoric and Creative Nonfiction Writing at the
University of Iowa, there were many opinions on many topics, including
writing. When workshopping, some people would tell a student to add
more, while others would say the piece was great. (Yes, this is a way
to get back to the point of this list, which is mainly to discuss
writing.) If students wrote research papers, though, I would expect
them to back up their opinions with evidence from outside sources.
For this particular topic of discussion, I?m not sure that anyone
could back up their arguments with reliable sources. There are many
history books out there that discuss the symbol of the tin cup, but
that doesn?t mean that a jar or container should or shouldn?t be used.
Like I said, my personal opinion stems from the symbol of the cup
from the past.
As far as comparing the Make a Wish Foundation to the NFB, though, I
have just two comments. First, I would estimate that 99 percent of
the general public have heard of the Make a Wish Foundation, while I
bet about 99 percent of people have never heard of the NFB or at least
what it represents. Part of this has to do with advertising. There
are Make a Wish ads on TV and in magazines all the time. Second, I
bet most people know what the Make a Wish Foundation does with the
money, while I bet they don?t know what the NFB does with the money.
In fact, if they don?t know what the NFB is, they probably just see
?blind? and think they?re helping the blind. They probably don?t know
about the programs we have to make lives better for blind people.
Even with literature available and even if they take the literature,
there?s nothing saying they will read that literature.
Finally, I don?t think that I have ?issues? just because my opinion is
different from someone else?s. Like the discussion on the cars for
the blind, there are many views. People should not be attacked for
their opinions. I am open to the opinions of others and welcome
them to learn and to grow.
Thanks,
Priscilla
On 8/21/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
> The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for change
and
> donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same door,
with the
> same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>
> I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put one in
mine.
>
> I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And they
didn't
> think that of us.
>
> Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with things
like,
> "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin and
witch
> suckers!"
>
> Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you
support the
> NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>
> "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
sighted
> one!
>
> So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar sitting on
a
> table full of informational litature and products to sell and equates
it to
> a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some way,
has
> issues in themselves, blind or not.
>
> Atty
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 18:30:25 -0400
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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Priscilla,
You're just wrong, okay? Because we said so. *grin*
Joe
"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
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Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 6:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
As I said, people have different opinions, which is a great thing.
You are entitled to yours, just as I am entitled to mine. *smile* If
this came up in my chapter, we would just take a vote on the matter to
decide if we should or shouldn't have a jar at a fundraiser. In fact,
out of curiosity, I might suggest this as a topic of discussion for
our next chapter meeting to hear all the views on the matter. I'm
not saying that my opinion is right; I am just saying that I hold my
opinion for various reasons, mostly based on the historical research I
did for my dissertation and Dr. Jernigan's speeches.
When I taught Rhetoric and Creative Nonfiction Writing at the
University of Iowa, there were many opinions on many topics, including
writing. When workshopping, some people would tell a student to add
more, while others would say the piece was great. (Yes, this is a way
to get back to the point of this list, which is mainly to discuss
writing.) If students wrote research papers, though, I would expect
them to back up their opinions with evidence from outside sources.
For this particular topic of discussion, I'm not sure that anyone
could back up their arguments with reliable sources. There are many
history books out there that discuss the symbol of the tin cup, but
that doesn't mean that a jar or container should or shouldn't be used.
Like I said, my personal opinion stems from the symbol of the cup
from the past.
As far as comparing the Make a Wish Foundation to the NFB, though, I
have just two comments. First, I would estimate that 99 percent of
the general public have heard of the Make a Wish Foundation, while I
bet about 99 percent of people have never heard of the NFB or at least
what it represents. Part of this has to do with advertising. There
are Make a Wish ads on TV and in magazines all the time. Second, I
bet most people know what the Make a Wish Foundation does with the
money, while I bet they don't know what the NFB does with the money.
In fact, if they don't know what the NFB is, they probably just see
"blind" and think they're helping the blind. They probably don't know
about the programs we have to make lives better for blind people.
Even with literature available and even if they take the literature,
there's nothing saying they will read that literature.
Finally, I don't think that I have "issues" just because my opinion is
different from someone else's. Like the discussion on the cars for
the blind, there are many views. People should not be attacked for
their opinions. I am open to the opinions of others and welcome
them to learn and to grow.
Thanks,
Priscilla
On 8/21/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
> The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar
for change and
> donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same
door, with the
> same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>
> I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and
put one in mine.
>
> I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids.
And they didn't
> think that of us.
>
> Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with
things like,
> "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost,
pumpkin and witch
> suckers!"
>
> Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can
you support the
> NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>
> "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the
corner. A sighted
> one!
>
> So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar
sitting on a
> table full of informational litature and products to sell and
equates it to
> a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in
some way, has
> issues in themselves, blind or not.
>
> Atty
>
>
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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:51:31 -0500
From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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Funny thing, Joe. I was going to say that about you. Let the debates
continue... *smile*
Take care,
Priscilla
On 8/21/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> Priscilla,
>
> You're just wrong, okay? Because we said so. *grin*
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 6:11 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>
> As I said, people have different opinions, which is a great thing.
> You are entitled to yours, just as I am entitled to mine. *smile* If
> this came up in my chapter, we would just take a vote on the matter to
> decide if we should or shouldn't have a jar at a fundraiser. In fact,
> out of curiosity, I might suggest this as a topic of discussion for
> our next chapter meeting to hear all the views on the matter. I'm
> not saying that my opinion is right; I am just saying that I hold my
> opinion for various reasons, mostly based on the historical research I
> did for my dissertation and Dr. Jernigan's speeches.
>
> When I taught Rhetoric and Creative Nonfiction Writing at the
> University of Iowa, there were many opinions on many topics, including
> writing. When workshopping, some people would tell a student to add
> more, while others would say the piece was great. (Yes, this is a way
> to get back to the point of this list, which is mainly to discuss
> writing.) If students wrote research papers, though, I would expect
> them to back up their opinions with evidence from outside sources.
> For this particular topic of discussion, I'm not sure that anyone
> could back up their arguments with reliable sources. There are many
> history books out there that discuss the symbol of the tin cup, but
> that doesn't mean that a jar or container should or shouldn't be used.
> Like I said, my personal opinion stems from the symbol of the cup
> from the past.
>
> As far as comparing the Make a Wish Foundation to the NFB, though, I
> have just two comments. First, I would estimate that 99 percent of
> the general public have heard of the Make a Wish Foundation, while I
> bet about 99 percent of people have never heard of the NFB or at least
> what it represents. Part of this has to do with advertising. There
> are Make a Wish ads on TV and in magazines all the time. Second, I
> bet most people know what the Make a Wish Foundation does with the
> money, while I bet they don't know what the NFB does with the money.
> In fact, if they don't know what the NFB is, they probably just see
> "blind" and think they're helping the blind. They probably don't know
> about the programs we have to make lives better for blind people.
> Even with literature available and even if they take the literature,
> there's nothing saying they will read that literature.
>
> Finally, I don't think that I have "issues" just because my opinion is
> different from someone else's. Like the discussion on the cars for
> the blind, there are many views. People should not be attacked for
> their opinions. I am open to the opinions of others and welcome
> them to learn and to grow.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Priscilla
>
>
> On 8/21/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>> The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar
> for change and
>> donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same
> door, with the
>> same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>>
>> I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and
> put one in mine.
>>
>> I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids.
> And they didn't
>> think that of us.
>>
>> Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with
> things like,
>> "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost,
> pumpkin and witch
>> suckers!"
>>
>> Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can
> you support the
>> NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>>
>> "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the
> corner. A sighted
>> one!
>>
>> So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar
> sitting on a
>> table full of informational litature and products to sell and
> equates it to
>> a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in
> some way, has
>> issues in themselves, blind or not.
>>
>> Atty
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:01:39 -0500
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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Yes we need to ensure accessibility happens so that everyone has equal
access to whatever, but if we constantly set up things, whether they be
websites or other avenues, specifically for a certain group, aren't we
isolating ourselves from society? People must realize that products
should be accessible for any user, and if a group or company refuses to
do so, then it makes sense to establish our own product, but must we
always create our own products, or can we not continue to work with
existing companies and products to find solutions? I will use Facebook
for an example since this seems to be the name that keeps coming up in
the argument, but so many blind people use Facebook with little or no
problems. Personally I am no fan of Facebook, but where is the real
issue? The NFB and other groups seem to be attempting to address the
issue as much as they can. Many, many products and websites are now
usable by the blind and we didn't have to spend money to develop the
same thing. I call that smart business! *smile*
Also, there are other disabilities beyond blindness that often require
accommodations and modifications. Should all cars be drivable off theh
lot by Little People? Should Spanish and ASL be required for all public
officials? Should every building be created so that even those with
mobility issues can access it? Of course, but the world does not always
think from this perspective. We, the disabled, must ensure our own
accessibility, but we don't have to always start from the ground up. We
can and should work with existing structures which then allow us to be a
part of society and not isolating ourselves.
Bridgit
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4. Re: social networking and youth slam (cheryl echevarria)
5. Re: social networking and youth slam (Peter Donahue)
6. Re: question about philosophy (Joe Orozco)
7. Re: social networking and youth slam (Joe Orozco)
8. Re: question about philosophy (Donna Hill)
9. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
10. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
11. Re: question about philosophy (The Crowd)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:18:22 -0500
From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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Listers,
While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
he discusses the tin cup:
?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
"Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
one reason the term disability is now used.
Anyway, just thought I would share.
Priscilla
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:03:05 -0400
From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the majority or
to
rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life is not a
game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have guessed that
blind
could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over the world use a cup,
charity box or some other kind of vessel to collect for their
organizations,
the needy and the otherwise disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a
myth
or are you going out of your way to prove that every negative associated
with blindness has been successful in portraying the blind since
forever?
The guy standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money
using
a large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
up
and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
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Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
Listers,
While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
he discusses the tin cup:
?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
"Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
one reason the term disability is now used.
Anyway, just thought I would share.
Priscilla
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:48 -0500
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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Peter and others,
I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
however, we are going through an established group and must follow
whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that is
a whole other discussion! *smile*
As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting a
new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them to
experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
after attending Youth Slam.
So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money raised,
no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and society
in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
Bridgit
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:05:02 -0400
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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um the NFB had to sign up to be part of this I think they would know if
this
is accessible or not since Dr. Maurer did announce it on the Monthly
Presidential Release and that if he could do it anybody could do it.
The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
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Inc.
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From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 PM
Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> Peter and others,
>
> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>
> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
is
> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>
> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting
a
> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
to
> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> after attending Youth Slam.
>
> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>
> Bridgit
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:11:51 -0500
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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Hello everyone,
This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money ourselves
never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can develop
the
technology to enable a blind person to drive a car independently we
should
have the know-how to develop our own social networking services to serve
as
a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made accessible to
all.
We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
accessibility will be compromised in the process.
Peter Donahue
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To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
Peter and others,
I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
however, we are going through an established group and must follow
whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that is
a whole other discussion! *smile*
As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting a
new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them to
experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
after attending Youth Slam.
So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money raised,
no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and society
in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
Bridgit
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:49:34 -0400
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
cup, I
might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
brochures
and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for the
division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a public
venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
attract
the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the contrary,
one
lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division, among
other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
group?
I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the presence
or
absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
about
blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
opinion
of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on whether
the
group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
group
has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising strategy
completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private agencies
not
use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care of
foster
children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
people
would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
sought.
It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by exuding
confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
what is
normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long and
arduous road to follow.
Best,
Joe
"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
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Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
Listers,
While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
he discusses the tin cup:
"How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
"Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
one reason the term disability is now used.
Anyway, just thought I would share.
Priscilla
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>
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:02:18 -0400
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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Peter,
This is my issue with web accessibility. I don't know that everyone
will
ever be able to agree on what it means to be accessible, because there
are
varying levels of computer skills and screen reader features. So far I
must
say you are the only person I've seen complain about the accessibility
of
the Pepsi Challenge project, which does not mean your complaint is
irrelevant. It means there must surely be others who are experiencing
similar problems, but I have not yet heard a valid reason for why the
CAPTCHA feature is posing such a problem. There are two services that
help
blind users translate the CAPTCHA codes. Even deaf and blind users can
have
the text transmitted without bothering with the audio. My point here is
not
to turn your concerns away. They are valid, but technology is changing.
To
me it sounds as though you are reluctant to change with it, and in the
meantime should we turn away from a free means of earning $250,000 just
because we want to prove a point? If we don't take advantage of this
project while it lasts, someone else will, and would you actually argue
that
those other projects are more important than the future potential of our
math and science enthusiasts? These are, after all, the people on whom
we
are relying to build that there car for blind folk. For every minute
you
spent writing your flurry of posts objecting the Pepsi project, you
could
have been spending the time communicating with Pepsi. You're the web
development guy who could have expertly conveyed to them what is needed.
I'm having difficulty feeling empathetic with you on this one.
Respectfully,
Joe
"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
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[mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:12 PM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
Hello everyone,
This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
ourselves
never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
develop the
technology to enable a blind person to drive a car
independently we should
have the know-how to develop our own social networking services
to serve as
a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
accessible to all.
We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
accessibility will be compromised in the process.
Peter Donahue
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From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
Peter and others,
I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
however, we are going through an established group and must follow
whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that is
a whole other discussion! *smile*
As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting a
new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them to
experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
after attending Youth Slam.
So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money raised,
no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and society
in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
Bridgit
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:44:06 -0400
From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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Amen, Judith.
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On 8/20/2010 2:03 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the majority
> or to rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life
> is not a game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have
> guessed that blind could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over
> the world use a cup, charity box or some other kind of vessel to
> collect for their organizations, the needy and the otherwise
> disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a myth or are you going out
> of your way to prove that every negative associated with blindness has
> been successful in portraying the blind since forever? The guy
> standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money using a
> large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
> up and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priscilla McKinley"
> <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
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>
>
> Listers,
>
> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
> he discusses the tin cup:
>
> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>
> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> one reason the term disability is now used.
>
> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>
>> Atty
>>
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:45:57 -0400
From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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Well put, Bridget!
Donna
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On 8/20/2010 2:52 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
> Peter and others,
>
> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>
> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
is
> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>
> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting
a
> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
to
> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> after attending Youth Slam.
>
> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>
> Bridgit
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:00:04 -0500
From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. *smile* As a
person who has had severl fundraisers over the years, including
selling calendars, hot dogs, candy bars, shot glasses, Capitol Steps
tickets, to name just a few, we never had a container sitting on the
table where people could drop money. We would accept donations that
were given to us but that meant the people had to interact in some
way. They couldn't just walk by and ignore us, dropping money in a
jar. They had to talk to us, to hand us the money. Similarly, people
who donate online will be at our website and see positive images.
Plus, they have to make a conscious decision to go there. (If
dropping money in a container, some people might not even remember
the name of the group to which they gave money.)
When I was living on the East Coast and was a member of a chapter
there, we discussed this topic in great detail. We talked about blind
beggers in the past and the idea of the tin cup. People would walk
by, dig into their pockets, and put change in the cup, pitying the
blind. As a chapter, we decided to empty our pockets for other
organizations instead. The chapter president gave everyone a plastic
container and told us to drop our change in their over the next month
and bring the containers back to the next meeting, which was in
November. After receiving the containers and putting it in the
account, the chapter presented the money in check form for an
organization that was providing holiday meals and gifts for struggling
families. Instead of taking, we were giving.
While I'm no expert on this topic, I know how I viewed blindness
before I lost my sight, and I see the same reactions from others today
now that I am blind. There are a lot of organizational things that I
don't agree with, but I would agree with Dr. Jernigan that that image
needs to be changed. Even today, I don't think it has. Like someone
said on here, the car that the blind can drive is supposed to
represent the positives, the future. Well, I believe the cup or
container just sitting there symbolizes the past, the negatives. But
again, that is just one opinion out of many. Perhaps someone should
write a letter to Doctor Maurer so he can read it at one of his
leadership seminars. I'm sure there would be lots of opinions, as
there are for almost every letter read at the seminars.
Thanks,
Priscilla
On 8/20/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
cup, I
> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
brochures
> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
the
> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
public
> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
attract
> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
contrary, one
> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
among
> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
group?
> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the presence
or
> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
about
> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
opinion
> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
whether the
> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
group
> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
strategy
> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
agencies not
> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care of
foster
> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
people
> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
sought.
> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by exuding
> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
what is
> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long and
> arduous road to follow.
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>
> Listers,
>
> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
> he discusses the tin cup:
>
> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>
> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> one reason the term disability is now used.
>
> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>
>> Atty
>>
>>
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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:10:20 -0500
From: "The Crowd" <the_crowd at cox.net>
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The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for change
and
donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same door, with
the
same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put one in
mine.
I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And they
didn't
think that of us.
Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with things
like,
"Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin and
witch
suckers!"
Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you support
the
NFB?" "Anything will do!"
"Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
sighted
one!
So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar sitting on a
table full of informational litature and products to sell and equates it
to
a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some way,
has
issues in themselves, blind or not.
Atty
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:49:12 -0500
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
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Subject: [stylist] question about philosophy
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Priscilla,
Yes, begging and simply asking for a donation without explaining why or
who it is for is not only (in my opinion) against Federation philosophy,
but unethical in general. Our chapter, however, has never (in my
history in any case) done this. Though we may have a large plastic
donation jar to place money in during events and activities, we never
just have a jar alone, and we never, never, never allow passers-bys to
donate without engaging them in conversation.
Every event my chapter does is established as an outreach opportunity
which means we always have NFB brochures and we introduce ourselves and
our organization, explaining our purpose. We firmly believe that our
actions more than anything are what help change perceptions. This was
my original point, that some of us place a focus on something simple and
minor like the vessel chosen to store money, saying this some how over
shadows the fact that blind people are accepting and handling all money
as well as interacting with people and making a point to explain the
Federation. One of us always handles the money, we do not just allow
people to "drop" money in, plus we always have a product we are selling
as opposed to just taking donations.
So I still fail to see anything wrong with this. Many have pointed out
that a donation button on our websites is no different than a jar for
donations. The old beggar image brings up pictures of down and out
people standing on literal street corners asking or begging for money as
people walk by with no rhyme or reason. When chapters, like mine,
organize an established event where our main objective is to educate and
inform by handing out information and speaking directly with people, I
fail to see the similarities.
Trust me, I abhor the negative perceptions that still exist, but if I
try to prove a point to every person I meet every day, I will just end
up overwhelmed and frustrated. Actually, we are the ones who remember
the "begger image" more than anyone as it is a part of our past. Many
people I speak with do not even realize this. They do not make the
connection. I am one who often looks for the negative attitudes, but by
constantly doing this, we risk having a bad attitude ourselves. Not
everyone has negative ideas about the blind, and many do not think that
deeply about something like a jar. If we (the blind) are confident,
capable and gracious, we have a better chance to leave a lasting image.
Not to say that we still don't have battles to win, but, as the old
adage goes, you catch more flies with honey. I hate this clich?, but it
often proves to be true.
So I wish to defend my chapter by saying that we do not condone placing
a jar or cup on a table, allow people to put money in and just passively
sit there. One of us always handles the money, which means we accept it
as it is offered as well as making change if necessary, and we always
have a product like candy bars to sell. If people choose to donate, but
do not want our product, should we decline? We also always hand out
information along with speaking to all who approach our table. If this
is bad philosophy then I guess we should be excommunicated.
I also wish to say that at the end of the day we have to live with
ourselves and realize no matter what we do, inevitably we can not change
everyone's minds. We can do our best and live up to our full potential
as individuals and groups, but if people choose to believe their own
concept of reality, well that is on them. To some, all they will ever
see is a cane and draw their own medieval conclusions. Yes we must make
sure we present the image we believe ourselves capable of, but how many
of us have done this and still deal with those who think we can't do
anything? Most of us I am sure. Our actions speak louder than words,
but some will always only hear what they want. At the end of the day, I
have to be comfortable with who I am as a person. We always say that we
are people, just like everyone else, we just happen to be blind. Yet we
place distinctions on ourselves by saying we have to prove something as
a blind person. What happened to just being a person?
Bridgit
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4. Re: social networking and youth slam (cheryl echevarria)
5. Re: social networking and youth slam (Peter Donahue)
6. Re: question about philosophy (Joe Orozco)
7. Re: social networking and youth slam (Joe Orozco)
8. Re: question about philosophy (Donna Hill)
9. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
10. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:18:22 -0500
From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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Listers,
While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
he discusses the tin cup:
?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
"Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
one reason the term disability is now used.
Anyway, just thought I would share.
Priscilla
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>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:03:05 -0400
From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the majority or
to
rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life is not a
game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have guessed that
blind
could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over the world use a cup,
charity box or some other kind of vessel to collect for their
organizations,
the needy and the otherwise disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a
myth
or are you going out of your way to prove that every negative associated
with blindness has been successful in portraying the blind since
forever?
The guy standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money
using
a large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
up
and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
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To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
Listers,
While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
he discusses the tin cup:
?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
"Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
one reason the term disability is now used.
Anyway, just thought I would share.
Priscilla
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>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:48 -0500
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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Peter and others,
I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
however, we are going through an established group and must follow
whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that is
a whole other discussion! *smile*
As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting a
new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them to
experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
after attending Youth Slam.
So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money raised,
no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and society
in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
Bridgit
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:05:02 -0400
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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um the NFB had to sign up to be part of this I think they would know if
this
is accessible or not since Dr. Maurer did announce it on the Monthly
Presidential Release and that if he could do it anybody could do it.
The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
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From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 PM
Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> Peter and others,
>
> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>
> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
is
> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>
> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting
a
> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
to
> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> after attending Youth Slam.
>
> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>
> Bridgit
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:11:51 -0500
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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Hello everyone,
This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money ourselves
never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can develop
the
technology to enable a blind person to drive a car independently we
should
have the know-how to develop our own social networking services to serve
as
a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made accessible to
all.
We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
accessibility will be compromised in the process.
Peter Donahue
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From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
Peter and others,
I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
however, we are going through an established group and must follow
whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that is
a whole other discussion! *smile*
As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting a
new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them to
experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
after attending Youth Slam.
So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money raised,
no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and society
in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
Bridgit
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:49:34 -0400
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
cup, I
might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
brochures
and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for the
division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a public
venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
attract
the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the contrary,
one
lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division, among
other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
group?
I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the presence
or
absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
about
blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
opinion
of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on whether
the
group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
group
has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising strategy
completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private agencies
not
use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care of
foster
children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
people
would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
sought.
It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by exuding
confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
what is
normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long and
arduous road to follow.
Best,
Joe
"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
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Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
Listers,
While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
he discusses the tin cup:
"How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
"Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
one reason the term disability is now used.
Anyway, just thought I would share.
Priscilla
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> Here here, well said Joe!
>
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:02:18 -0400
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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Peter,
This is my issue with web accessibility. I don't know that everyone
will
ever be able to agree on what it means to be accessible, because there
are
varying levels of computer skills and screen reader features. So far I
must
say you are the only person I've seen complain about the accessibility
of
the Pepsi Challenge project, which does not mean your complaint is
irrelevant. It means there must surely be others who are experiencing
similar problems, but I have not yet heard a valid reason for why the
CAPTCHA feature is posing such a problem. There are two services that
help
blind users translate the CAPTCHA codes. Even deaf and blind users can
have
the text transmitted without bothering with the audio. My point here is
not
to turn your concerns away. They are valid, but technology is changing.
To
me it sounds as though you are reluctant to change with it, and in the
meantime should we turn away from a free means of earning $250,000 just
because we want to prove a point? If we don't take advantage of this
project while it lasts, someone else will, and would you actually argue
that
those other projects are more important than the future potential of our
math and science enthusiasts? These are, after all, the people on whom
we
are relying to build that there car for blind folk. For every minute
you
spent writing your flurry of posts objecting the Pepsi project, you
could
have been spending the time communicating with Pepsi. You're the web
development guy who could have expertly conveyed to them what is needed.
I'm having difficulty feeling empathetic with you on this one.
Respectfully,
Joe
"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
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[mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:12 PM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
Hello everyone,
This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
ourselves
never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
develop the
technology to enable a blind person to drive a car
independently we should
have the know-how to develop our own social networking services
to serve as
a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
accessible to all.
We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
accessibility will be compromised in the process.
Peter Donahue
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
Peter and others,
I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
however, we are going through an established group and must follow
whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that is
a whole other discussion! *smile*
As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting a
new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them to
experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
after attending Youth Slam.
So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money raised,
no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and society
in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
Bridgit
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:44:06 -0400
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On 8/20/2010 2:03 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the majority
> or to rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life
> is not a game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have
> guessed that blind could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over
> the world use a cup, charity box or some other kind of vessel to
> collect for their organizations, the needy and the otherwise
> disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a myth or are you going out
> of your way to prove that every negative associated with blindness has
> been successful in portraying the blind since forever? The guy
> standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money using a
> large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
> up and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priscilla McKinley"
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>
> Listers,
>
> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
> he discusses the tin cup:
>
> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>
> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> one reason the term disability is now used.
>
> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>
>> Atty
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:45:57 -0400
From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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Well put, Bridget!
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On 8/20/2010 2:52 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
> Peter and others,
>
> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>
> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
is
> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>
> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting
a
> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
to
> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> after attending Youth Slam.
>
> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>
> Bridgit
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:00:04 -0500
From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. *smile* As a
person who has had severl fundraisers over the years, including
selling calendars, hot dogs, candy bars, shot glasses, Capitol Steps
tickets, to name just a few, we never had a container sitting on the
table where people could drop money. We would accept donations that
were given to us but that meant the people had to interact in some
way. They couldn't just walk by and ignore us, dropping money in a
jar. They had to talk to us, to hand us the money. Similarly, people
who donate online will be at our website and see positive images.
Plus, they have to make a conscious decision to go there. (If
dropping money in a container, some people might not even remember
the name of the group to which they gave money.)
When I was living on the East Coast and was a member of a chapter
there, we discussed this topic in great detail. We talked about blind
beggers in the past and the idea of the tin cup. People would walk
by, dig into their pockets, and put change in the cup, pitying the
blind. As a chapter, we decided to empty our pockets for other
organizations instead. The chapter president gave everyone a plastic
container and told us to drop our change in their over the next month
and bring the containers back to the next meeting, which was in
November. After receiving the containers and putting it in the
account, the chapter presented the money in check form for an
organization that was providing holiday meals and gifts for struggling
families. Instead of taking, we were giving.
While I'm no expert on this topic, I know how I viewed blindness
before I lost my sight, and I see the same reactions from others today
now that I am blind. There are a lot of organizational things that I
don't agree with, but I would agree with Dr. Jernigan that that image
needs to be changed. Even today, I don't think it has. Like someone
said on here, the car that the blind can drive is supposed to
represent the positives, the future. Well, I believe the cup or
container just sitting there symbolizes the past, the negatives. But
again, that is just one opinion out of many. Perhaps someone should
write a letter to Doctor Maurer so he can read it at one of his
leadership seminars. I'm sure there would be lots of opinions, as
there are for almost every letter read at the seminars.
Thanks,
Priscilla
On 8/20/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
cup, I
> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
brochures
> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
the
> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
public
> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
attract
> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
contrary, one
> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
among
> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
group?
> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the presence
or
> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
about
> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
opinion
> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
whether the
> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
group
> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
strategy
> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
agencies not
> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care of
foster
> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
people
> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
sought.
> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by exuding
> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
what is
> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long and
> arduous road to follow.
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
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>
> Listers,
>
> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
> he discusses the tin cup:
>
> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>
> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> one reason the term disability is now used.
>
> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>
>> Atty
>>
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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:10:20 -0500
From: "The Crowd" <the_crowd at cox.net>
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The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for change
and
donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same door, with
the
same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put one in
mine.
I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And they
didn't
think that of us.
Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with things
like,
"Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin and
witch
suckers!"
Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you support
the
NFB?" "Anything will do!"
"Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
sighted
one!
So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar sitting on a
table full of informational litature and products to sell and equates it
to
a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some way,
has
issues in themselves, blind or not.
Atty
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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:58:52 -0400
From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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Hi Bridget,
I agree with you about isolating ourselves. The whole separate but equal
thing about setting up accessible social networking scares the daylights
out of me. It plays right into the hands of the frightened sighted
public who would rather not have to deal with us. It also keeps us from
interacting in the same arena which our sighted peers have. In short,
the site might be more accessible to us, but it doesn't make the world
more accessible to us.
Donna
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On 8/21/2010 11:01 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
> Yes we need to ensure accessibility happens so that everyone has equal
> access to whatever, but if we constantly set up things, whether they
be
> websites or other avenues, specifically for a certain group, aren't we
> isolating ourselves from society? People must realize that products
> should be accessible for any user, and if a group or company refuses
to
> do so, then it makes sense to establish our own product, but must we
> always create our own products, or can we not continue to work with
> existing companies and products to find solutions? I will use
Facebook
> for an example since this seems to be the name that keeps coming up in
> the argument, but so many blind people use Facebook with little or no
> problems. Personally I am no fan of Facebook, but where is the real
> issue? The NFB and other groups seem to be attempting to address the
> issue as much as they can. Many, many products and websites are now
> usable by the blind and we didn't have to spend money to develop the
> same thing. I call that smart business! *smile*
>
> Also, there are other disabilities beyond blindness that often require
> accommodations and modifications. Should all cars be drivable off
theh
> lot by Little People? Should Spanish and ASL be required for all
public
> officials? Should every building be created so that even those with
> mobility issues can access it? Of course, but the world does not
always
> think from this perspective. We, the disabled, must ensure our own
> accessibility, but we don't have to always start from the ground up.
We
> can and should work with existing structures which then allow us to be
a
> part of society and not isolating ourselves.
>
> Bridgit
>
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> 1. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
> 2. Re: question about philosophy (Judith Bron)
> 3. social networking and youth slam (Bridgit Pollpeter)
> 4. Re: social networking and youth slam (cheryl echevarria)
> 5. Re: social networking and youth slam (Peter Donahue)
> 6. Re: question about philosophy (Joe Orozco)
> 7. Re: social networking and youth slam (Joe Orozco)
> 8. Re: question about philosophy (Donna Hill)
> 9. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
> 10. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
> 11. Re: question about philosophy (The Crowd)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:18:22 -0500
> From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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> Listers,
>
> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
> he discusses the tin cup:
>
> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>
> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> one reason the term disability is now used.
>
> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>
>> Atty
>>
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:03:05 -0400
> From: Judith Bron<jbron at optonline.net>
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the majority
or
> to
> rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life is not
a
>
> game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have guessed that
> blind
> could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over the world use a
cup,
>
> charity box or some other kind of vessel to collect for their
> organizations,
> the needy and the otherwise disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a
> myth
> or are you going out of your way to prove that every negative
associated
>
> with blindness has been successful in portraying the blind since
> forever?
> The guy standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money
> using
> a large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
> up
> and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Priscilla McKinley"<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>
>
> Listers,
>
> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
> he discusses the tin cup:
>
> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>
> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> one reason the term disability is now used.
>
> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>
>> Atty
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:48 -0500
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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> Peter and others,
>
> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>
> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
is
> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>
> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting
a
> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
to
> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> after attending Youth Slam.
>
> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>
> Bridgit
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:05:02 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria"<cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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> um the NFB had to sign up to be part of this I think they would know
if
> this
> is accessible or not since Dr. Maurer did announce it on the Monthly
> Presidential Release and that if he could do it anybody could do it.
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 PM
> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
>
>
>> Peter and others,
>>
>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>
>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
can
>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
>>
> is
>
>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>
>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting
>>
> a
>
>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
>>
> to
>
>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
changed
>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>
>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>>
> raised,
>
>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>>
> society
>
>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>
>> Bridgit
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:11:51 -0500
> From: "Peter Donahue"<pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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>
> Hello everyone,
>
> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
ourselves
>
> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can develop
> the
> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car independently we
> should
> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services to
serve
> as
> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made accessible
to
> all.
> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
>
> Peter and others,
>
> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>
> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
is
> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>
> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting
a
> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
to
> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> after attending Youth Slam.
>
> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>
> Bridgit
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:49:34 -0400
> From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
> cup, I
> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
> brochures
> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
the
> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
public
> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
> attract
> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
contrary,
> one
> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
among
> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
> group?
> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the presence
> or
> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
> about
> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
> opinion
> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
whether
> the
> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
> group
> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
strategy
> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
agencies
> not
> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care of
> foster
> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
> people
> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
> sought.
> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by exuding
> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
> what is
> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long and
> arduous road to follow.
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>
> Listers,
>
> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
> he discusses the tin cup:
>
> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next cue
> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street when
> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>
> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which is
> one reason the term disability is now used.
>
> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>
>> Atty
>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:02:18 -0400
> From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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> Peter,
>
> This is my issue with web accessibility. I don't know that everyone
> will
> ever be able to agree on what it means to be accessible, because there
> are
> varying levels of computer skills and screen reader features. So far
I
> must
> say you are the only person I've seen complain about the accessibility
> of
> the Pepsi Challenge project, which does not mean your complaint is
> irrelevant. It means there must surely be others who are experiencing
> similar problems, but I have not yet heard a valid reason for why the
> CAPTCHA feature is posing such a problem. There are two services that
> help
> blind users translate the CAPTCHA codes. Even deaf and blind users
can
> have
> the text transmitted without bothering with the audio. My point here
is
> not
> to turn your concerns away. They are valid, but technology is
changing.
> To
> me it sounds as though you are reluctant to change with it, and in the
> meantime should we turn away from a free means of earning $250,000
just
> because we want to prove a point? If we don't take advantage of this
> project while it lasts, someone else will, and would you actually
argue
> that
> those other projects are more important than the future potential of
our
> math and science enthusiasts? These are, after all, the people on
whom
> we
> are relying to build that there car for blind folk. For every minute
> you
> spent writing your flurry of posts objecting the Pepsi project, you
> could
> have been spending the time communicating with Pepsi. You're the web
> development guy who could have expertly conveyed to them what is
needed.
> I'm having difficulty feeling empathetic with you on this one.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:12 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
> ourselves
> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
> develop the
> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car
> independently we should
> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services
> to serve as
> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
> accessible to all.
> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
>
> Peter and others,
>
> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>
> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that phones
> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
is
> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>
> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications, I
> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are setting
a
> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
to
> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
> after attending Youth Slam.
>
> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever manner
> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>
> Bridgit
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> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:44:06 -0400
> From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
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> On 8/20/2010 2:03 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>
>> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the majority
>> or to rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life
>> is not a game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have
>> guessed that blind could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all
over
>>
>
>> the world use a cup, charity box or some other kind of vessel to
>> collect for their organizations, the needy and the otherwise
>> disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a myth or are you going out
>> of your way to prove that every negative associated with blindness
has
>>
>
>> been successful in portraying the blind since forever? The guy
>> standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money using
a
>>
>
>> large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
>> up and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priscilla McKinley"
>> <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>
>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>
>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
many
>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>
>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
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> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:45:57 -0400
> From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
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> On 8/20/2010 2:52 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>
>> Peter and others,
>>
>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>
>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
can
>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
>>
> is
>
>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>
>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting
>>
> a
>
>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
>>
> to
>
>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
changed
>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>
>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>>
> raised,
>
>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>>
> society
>
>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>
>> Bridgit
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:00:04 -0500
> From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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> I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. *smile* As a
> person who has had severl fundraisers over the years, including
> selling calendars, hot dogs, candy bars, shot glasses, Capitol Steps
> tickets, to name just a few, we never had a container sitting on the
> table where people could drop money. We would accept donations that
> were given to us but that meant the people had to interact in some
> way. They couldn't just walk by and ignore us, dropping money in a
> jar. They had to talk to us, to hand us the money. Similarly, people
> who donate online will be at our website and see positive images.
> Plus, they have to make a conscious decision to go there. (If
> dropping money in a container, some people might not even remember
> the name of the group to which they gave money.)
>
> When I was living on the East Coast and was a member of a chapter
> there, we discussed this topic in great detail. We talked about blind
> beggers in the past and the idea of the tin cup. People would walk
> by, dig into their pockets, and put change in the cup, pitying the
> blind. As a chapter, we decided to empty our pockets for other
> organizations instead. The chapter president gave everyone a plastic
> container and told us to drop our change in their over the next month
> and bring the containers back to the next meeting, which was in
> November. After receiving the containers and putting it in the
> account, the chapter presented the money in check form for an
> organization that was providing holiday meals and gifts for struggling
> families. Instead of taking, we were giving.
>
> While I'm no expert on this topic, I know how I viewed blindness
> before I lost my sight, and I see the same reactions from others today
> now that I am blind. There are a lot of organizational things that I
> don't agree with, but I would agree with Dr. Jernigan that that image
> needs to be changed. Even today, I don't think it has. Like someone
> said on here, the car that the blind can drive is supposed to
> represent the positives, the future. Well, I believe the cup or
> container just sitting there symbolizes the past, the negatives. But
> again, that is just one opinion out of many. Perhaps someone should
> write a letter to Doctor Maurer so he can read it at one of his
> leadership seminars. I'm sure there would be lots of opinions, as
> there are for almost every letter read at the seminars.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/10, Joe Orozco<jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
>>
> cup, I
>
>> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>>
> brochures
>
>> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
>> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
>>
> the
>
>> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
>>
> public
>
>> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
>>
> attract
>
>> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
>> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
>>
> contrary, one
>
>> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
>>
> among
>
>> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>>
> group?
>
>> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
presence
>>
> or
>
>> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
>>
> about
>
>> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>>
> opinion
>
>> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
>>
> whether the
>
>> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
>>
> group
>
>> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
>>
> strategy
>
>> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
>>
> agencies not
>
>> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care of
>>
> foster
>
>> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
>>
> people
>
>> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>>
> sought.
>
>> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
exuding
>> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
>>
> what is
>
>> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long and
>> arduous road to follow.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>
> sleeves,
>
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>
>> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
>> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>
>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
many
>> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>
>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:10:20 -0500
> From: "The Crowd"<the_crowd at cox.net>
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> The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for change
> and
> donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same door,
with
> the
> same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>
> I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put one in
> mine.
>
> I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And they
> didn't
> think that of us.
>
> Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with things
> like,
> "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin and
> witch
> suckers!"
>
> Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you
support
> the
> NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>
> "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
> sighted
> one!
>
> So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar sitting on
a
>
> table full of informational litature and products to sell and equates
it
> to
> a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some way,
> has
> issues in themselves, blind or not.
>
> Atty
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:20:42 -0400
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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why is everyone so negative, aren't we trying to fight the sterotypes,
and
encourage blind to use the website and social networking and we do have
accessible phone we can use as well, that allow you to go online.
goodness let's all feel sorry for ourselves and not help our
organization
out. boo hoo.
Geez louise. Enough already.
And these are leaders in the NFB that are saying this stuff, way to go.
How
embarrassing!
I am an Officer and I try to encourage others on how to do things, I was
just helping one of my chapter members to do it and she did it.
If we can help youth slam, how do we suppose to encourage others to do
it.
The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
Cheryl Echevarria
Independent Travel Consultant
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> Hi Bridget,
> I agree with you about isolating ourselves. The whole separate but
equal
> thing about setting up accessible social networking scares the
daylights
> out of me. It plays right into the hands of the frightened sighted
> public who would rather not have to deal with us. It also keeps us
from
> interacting in the same arena which our sighted peers have. In short,
> the site might be more accessible to us, but it doesn't make the
world
> more accessible to us.
> Donna
>
> Read Donna's articles on
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>
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> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
> www.padnfb.org
>
>
> On 8/21/2010 11:01 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
> > Yes we need to ensure accessibility happens so that everyone has
equal
> > access to whatever, but if we constantly set up things, whether they
be
> > websites or other avenues, specifically for a certain group, aren't
we
> > isolating ourselves from society? People must realize that products
> > should be accessible for any user, and if a group or company refuses
to
> > do so, then it makes sense to establish our own product, but must we
> > always create our own products, or can we not continue to work with
> > existing companies and products to find solutions? I will use
Facebook
> > for an example since this seems to be the name that keeps coming up
in
> > the argument, but so many blind people use Facebook with little or
no
> > problems. Personally I am no fan of Facebook, but where is the real
> > issue? The NFB and other groups seem to be attempting to address
the
> > issue as much as they can. Many, many products and websites are now
> > usable by the blind and we didn't have to spend money to develop the
> > same thing. I call that smart business! *smile*
> >
> > Also, there are other disabilities beyond blindness that often
require
> > accommodations and modifications. Should all cars be drivable off
theh
> > lot by Little People? Should Spanish and ASL be required for all
public
> > officials? Should every building be created so that even those with
> > mobility issues can access it? Of course, but the world does not
always
> > think from this perspective. We, the disabled, must ensure our own
> > accessibility, but we don't have to always start from the ground up.
We
> > can and should work with existing structures which then allow us to
be a
> > part of society and not isolating ourselves.
> >
> > Bridgit
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
> > Behalf Of stylist-request at nfbnet.org
> > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:00 PM
> > To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: stylist Digest, Vol 76, Issue 34
> >
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
> > 2. Re: question about philosophy (Judith Bron)
> > 3. social networking and youth slam (Bridgit Pollpeter)
> > 4. Re: social networking and youth slam (cheryl echevarria)
> > 5. Re: social networking and youth slam (Peter Donahue)
> > 6. Re: question about philosophy (Joe Orozco)
> > 7. Re: social networking and youth slam (Joe Orozco)
> > 8. Re: question about philosophy (Donna Hill)
> > 9. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
> > 10. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
> > 11. Re: question about philosophy (The Crowd)
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:18:22 -0500
> > From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> > Message-ID:
> > <AANLkTi=ibDnhFaeOSCbO1DGd9N2p5ne0a3ejeU1ZJe5i at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >
> > Listers,
> >
> > While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> > sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> > persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> > sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> > struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> > ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> > banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
> > he discusses the tin cup:
> >
> > ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> > society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> > takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> > popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> > dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> > man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
> > "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> > secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> > show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
> > was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
> > word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
> > There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
> > all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
> > he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
> >
> > In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
> > those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> > opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
> > and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
many
> > people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
> > originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
> > one reason the term disability is now used.
> >
> > Anyway, just thought I would share.
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Here here, well said Joe!
> >>
> >> Atty
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Writers Division web site:
> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> >>
> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> >
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> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
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> >> stylist:
> >>
> >>
> >
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> > ley%40gmail.com
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:03:05 -0400
> > From: Judith Bron<jbron at optonline.net>
> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> > Message-ID:<004f01cb4091$f07adb10$3302a8c0 at dell5150>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=Windows-1252;
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
majority or
> > to
> > rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life is
not a
> >
> > game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have guessed
that
> > blind
> > could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over the world use a
cup,
> >
> > charity box or some other kind of vessel to collect for their
> > organizations,
> > the needy and the otherwise disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel
a
> > myth
> > or are you going out of your way to prove that every negative
associated
> >
> > with blindness has been successful in portraying the blind since
> > forever?
> > The guy standing on the street during holiday time is collecting
money
> > using
> > a large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to
grow
> > up
> > and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Priscilla McKinley"<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> >
> >
> > Listers,
> >
> > While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> > sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> > persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> > sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> > struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> > ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> > banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
> > he discusses the tin cup:
> >
> > ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> > society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> > takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> > popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> > dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> > man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
> > "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> > secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> > show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
> > was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
> > word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
> > There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
> > all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
> > he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
> >
> > In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
> > those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> > opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
> > and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
many
> > people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
> > originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
> > one reason the term disability is now used.
> >
> > Anyway, just thought I would share.
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Here here, well said Joe!
> >>
> >> Atty
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Writers Division web site:
> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> >>
> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> >
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> >
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> > ley%40gmail.com
> >
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Writers Division web site:
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> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> >
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> > ne.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:48 -0500
> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> > Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP407C91BF2CE029EB8B1FBDC49F0 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Peter and others,
> >
> > I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> > accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
> > just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
> >
> > If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> > understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
> > however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> > whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
can
> > not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> > accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
> > from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
> > It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> > There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> > bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> > blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
> > can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> > world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
that is
> > a whole other discussion! *smile*
> >
> > As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
> > must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
with
> > the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> > amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting a
> > new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
never
> > have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
people
> > can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them to
> > experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
changed
> > after attending Youth Slam.
> >
> > So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
> > possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
> > no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
> > in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
confidence
> > and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
> >
> > Bridgit
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:05:02 -0400
> > From: "cheryl echevarria"<cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> > Message-ID:<BAY110-DS689D8C5F44A944FAC81ECA19F0 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > um the NFB had to sign up to be part of this I think they would know
if
> > this
> > is accessible or not since Dr. Maurer did announce it on the Monthly
> > Presidential Release and that if he could do it anybody could do it.
> >
> > The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > Independent Travel Consultant
> > C10-10646
> >
> > http://Echevarriatravel.com
> > 1-866-580-5574
> > skype: angeldn3
> >
> > Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> > CST-1018299-10
> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and
Travel
> > Inc.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 PM
> > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> >
> >
> >
> >> Peter and others,
> >>
> >> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> >> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
> >> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
> >>
> >> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> >> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
> >> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> >> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
can
> >> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> >> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
> >> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
> >> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
on.
> >> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> >> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
are
> >> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
> >> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> >> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
that
> >>
> > is
> >
> >> a whole other discussion! *smile*
> >>
> >> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
complications, I
> >> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
with
> >> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> >> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting
> >>
> > a
> >
> >> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
never
> >> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
people
> >> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them
> >>
> > to
> >
> >> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
changed
> >> after attending Youth Slam.
> >>
> >> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
> >> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> >>
> > raised,
> >
> >> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> >>
> > society
> >
> >> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
confidence
> >> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
> >>
> >> Bridgit
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Writers Division web site:
> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> >>
> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> >
> >> stylist mailing list
> >> stylist at nfbnet.org
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> >> stylist:
> >>
> >>
> >
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> > 0hotmail.com
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:11:51 -0500
> > From: "Peter Donahue"<pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> > Message-ID:<001701cb409b$8cc76f20$4001a8c0 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
> > ourselves
> >
> > never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
develop
> > the
> > technology to enable a blind person to drive a car independently we
> > should
> > have the know-how to develop our own social networking services to
serve
> > as
> > a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made accessible
to
> > all.
> > We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
> > accessibility will be compromised in the process.
> >
> > Peter Donahue
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
> > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> >
> >
> > Peter and others,
> >
> > I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> > accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
> > just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
> >
> > If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> > understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
> > however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> > whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
can
> > not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> > accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
> > from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
> > It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> > There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> > bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> > blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
> > can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> > world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
that is
> > a whole other discussion! *smile*
> >
> > As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
> > must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
with
> > the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> > amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting a
> > new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
never
> > have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
people
> > can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them to
> > experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
changed
> > after attending Youth Slam.
> >
> > So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
> > possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
> > no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
> > in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
confidence
> > and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
> >
> > Bridgit
> > _______________________________________________
> > Writers Division web site:
> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> >
> > stylist mailing list
> > stylist at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
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> > stylist:
> >
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> > global.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:49:34 -0400
> > From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
> > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> > Message-ID:<94B68AE810DF4C029D6F3DED7019AE2F at Rufus>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
> > cup, I
> > might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
> > brochures
> > and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
> > educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
> > Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
> > fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
the
> > division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
public
> > venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
> > attract
> > the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
> > wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
contrary,
> > one
> > lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
among
> > other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
> > group?
> > I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
presence
> > or
> > absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
> > about
> > blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
> > opinion
> > of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
whether
> > the
> > group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
> > group
> > has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
strategy
> > completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
agencies
> > not
> > use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care
of
> > foster
> > children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of
these
> > people
> > would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
> > sought.
> > It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
> > fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
exuding
> > confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
> > what is
> > normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
and
> > arduous road to follow.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> > sleeves,
> > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> >
> > Listers,
> >
> > While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> > sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> > persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> > sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> > struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> > ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> > banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
> > he discusses the tin cup:
> >
> > "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> > society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
> > takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> > popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> > dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> > man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
> > "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> > secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> > show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
> > was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
> > word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
> > There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
> > all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
> > he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
> >
> > In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
> > those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> > opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
> > and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
many
> > people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
> > originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
> > one reason the term disability is now used.
> >
> > Anyway, just thought I would share.
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Here here, well said Joe!
> >>
> >> Atty
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>
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> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:02:18 -0400
> > From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
> > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> > Message-ID:<659A73BDED1248F1B6A150EBB34828E3 at Rufus>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Peter,
> >
> > This is my issue with web accessibility. I don't know that everyone
> > will
> > ever be able to agree on what it means to be accessible, because
there
> > are
> > varying levels of computer skills and screen reader features. So
far I
> > must
> > say you are the only person I've seen complain about the
accessibility
> > of
> > the Pepsi Challenge project, which does not mean your complaint is
> > irrelevant. It means there must surely be others who are
experiencing
> > similar problems, but I have not yet heard a valid reason for why
the
> > CAPTCHA feature is posing such a problem. There are two services
that
> > help
> > blind users translate the CAPTCHA codes. Even deaf and blind users
can
> > have
> > the text transmitted without bothering with the audio. My point
here is
> > not
> > to turn your concerns away. They are valid, but technology is
changing.
> > To
> > me it sounds as though you are reluctant to change with it, and in
the
> > meantime should we turn away from a free means of earning $250,000
just
> > because we want to prove a point? If we don't take advantage of
this
> > project while it lasts, someone else will, and would you actually
argue
> > that
> > those other projects are more important than the future potential of
our
> > math and science enthusiasts? These are, after all, the people on
whom
> > we
> > are relying to build that there car for blind folk. For every
minute
> > you
> > spent writing your flurry of posts objecting the Pepsi project, you
> > could
> > have been spending the time communicating with Pepsi. You're the
web
> > development guy who could have expertly conveyed to them what is
needed.
> > I'm having difficulty feeling empathetic with you on this one.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> > sleeves,
> > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:12 PM
> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
> > ourselves
> > never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
> > develop the
> > technology to enable a blind person to drive a car
> > independently we should
> > have the know-how to develop our own social networking services
> > to serve as
> > a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
> > accessible to all.
> > We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
> > accessibility will be compromised in the process.
> >
> > Peter Donahue
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
> > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> >
> >
> > Peter and others,
> >
> > I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> > accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
> > just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
> >
> > If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> > understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
> > however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> > whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
can
> > not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> > accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
> > from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
> > It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
> > There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> > bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
> > blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
> > can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> > world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
that is
> > a whole other discussion! *smile*
> >
> > As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
> > must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
with
> > the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> > amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting a
> > new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
never
> > have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
people
> > can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them to
> > experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
changed
> > after attending Youth Slam.
> >
> > So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
> > possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
raised,
> > no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
society
> > in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
confidence
> > and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
> >
> > Bridgit
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> >
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> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:44:06 -0400
> > From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> > Message-ID:<4C6EF726.5000207 at epix.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >
> > Amen, Judith.
> >
> > Read Donna's articles on
> > Suite 101:
> > www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
> > Ezine Articles:
> > http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
> > American Chronicle:
> > www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
> >
> > Connect with Donna on
> > Twitter:
> > www.twitter.com/dewhill
> > LinkedIn:
> > www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
> > FaceBook:
> > www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
> >
> > Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
> > cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
> > Apple I-Tunes
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> > 4
> >
> > Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
> > Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
> > Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
> > www.padnfb.org
> >
> >
> > On 8/20/2010 2:03 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
> >
> >> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
majority
> >> or to rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth?
Life
> >> is not a game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have
> >> guessed that blind could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all
over
> >>
> >
> >> the world use a cup, charity box or some other kind of vessel to
> >> collect for their organizations, the needy and the otherwise
> >> disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a myth or are you going
out
> >> of your way to prove that every negative associated with blindness
has
> >>
> >
> >> been successful in portraying the blind since forever? The guy
> >> standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money
using a
> >>
> >
> >> large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to
grow
> >> up and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priscilla McKinley"
> >> <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> >> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> >>
> >>
> >> Listers,
> >>
> >> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> >> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> >> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> >> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> >> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> >> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> >> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in
which
> >> he discusses the tin cup:
> >>
> >> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> >> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
it
> >> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> >> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> >> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> >> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
> >> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> >> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> >> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
> >> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
> >> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response
"cup."
> >> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
> >> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
> >> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
> >>
> >> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
> >> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> >> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
> >> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
many
> >> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
> >> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
> >> one reason the term disability is now used.
> >>
> >> Anyway, just thought I would share.
> >>
> >> Priscilla
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Here here, well said Joe!
> >>>
> >>> Atty
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Writers Division web site:
> >>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> >>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> >>>
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> > ley%40gmail.com
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >>
> >>
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> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:45:57 -0400
> > From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
> > Message-ID:<4C6EF795.4050203 at epix.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Well put, Bridget!
> > Donna
> >
> > Read Donna's articles on
> > Suite 101:
> > www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
> > Ezine Articles:
> > http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
> > American Chronicle:
> > www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
> >
> > Connect with Donna on
> > Twitter:
> > www.twitter.com/dewhill
> > LinkedIn:
> > www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
> > FaceBook:
> > www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
> >
> > Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
> > cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
> > Apple I-Tunes
> >
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> > 4
> >
> > Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
> > Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
> > Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
> > www.padnfb.org
> >
> >
> > On 8/20/2010 2:52 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
> >
> >> Peter and others,
> >>
> >> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
> >> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
> >> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
> >>
> >> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
> >> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
> >> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
> >> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
can
> >> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
> >> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
> >> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
> >> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
on.
> >> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
> >> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
are
> >> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
> >> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
> >> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
that
> >>
> > is
> >
> >> a whole other discussion! *smile*
> >>
> >> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
complications, I
> >> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
with
> >> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
> >> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting
> >>
> > a
> >
> >> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
never
> >> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
people
> >> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them
> >>
> > to
> >
> >> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
changed
> >> after attending Youth Slam.
> >>
> >> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
> >> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> >>
> > raised,
> >
> >> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> >>
> > society
> >
> >> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
confidence
> >> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
> >>
> >> Bridgit
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Writers Division web site:
> >>
> >>
> >
http://www.nfb-writers-division.org<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/
> >
> >>
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> >
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> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:00:04 -0500
> > From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> > Message-ID:
> > <AANLkTinFOfzdqiBjrVw8PCkkjwLj++v5uvNSa3-S79XR at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. *smile* As a
> > person who has had severl fundraisers over the years, including
> > selling calendars, hot dogs, candy bars, shot glasses, Capitol Steps
> > tickets, to name just a few, we never had a container sitting on the
> > table where people could drop money. We would accept donations that
> > were given to us but that meant the people had to interact in some
> > way. They couldn't just walk by and ignore us, dropping money in a
> > jar. They had to talk to us, to hand us the money. Similarly,
people
> > who donate online will be at our website and see positive images.
> > Plus, they have to make a conscious decision to go there. (If
> > dropping money in a container, some people might not even remember
> > the name of the group to which they gave money.)
> >
> > When I was living on the East Coast and was a member of a chapter
> > there, we discussed this topic in great detail. We talked about
blind
> > beggers in the past and the idea of the tin cup. People would walk
> > by, dig into their pockets, and put change in the cup, pitying the
> > blind. As a chapter, we decided to empty our pockets for other
> > organizations instead. The chapter president gave everyone a
plastic
> > container and told us to drop our change in their over the next
month
> > and bring the containers back to the next meeting, which was in
> > November. After receiving the containers and putting it in the
> > account, the chapter presented the money in check form for an
> > organization that was providing holiday meals and gifts for
struggling
> > families. Instead of taking, we were giving.
> >
> > While I'm no expert on this topic, I know how I viewed blindness
> > before I lost my sight, and I see the same reactions from others
today
> > now that I am blind. There are a lot of organizational things that
I
> > don't agree with, but I would agree with Dr. Jernigan that that
image
> > needs to be changed. Even today, I don't think it has. Like
someone
> > said on here, the car that the blind can drive is supposed to
> > represent the positives, the future. Well, I believe the cup or
> > container just sitting there symbolizes the past, the negatives.
But
> > again, that is just one opinion out of many. Perhaps someone should
> > write a letter to Doctor Maurer so he can read it at one of his
> > leadership seminars. I'm sure there would be lots of opinions, as
> > there are for almost every letter read at the seminars.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/20/10, Joe Orozco<jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a
donation
> >>
> > cup, I
> >
> >> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
> >>
> > brochures
> >
> >> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
> >> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
> >> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
> >> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space
for
> >>
> > the
> >
> >> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
> >>
> > public
> >
> >> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event
would
> >>
> > attract
> >
> >> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members.
People
> >> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
> >>
> > contrary, one
> >
> >> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
> >>
> > among
> >
> >> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
> >>
> > group?
> >
> >> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
presence
> >>
> > or
> >
> >> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
> >>
> > about
> >
> >> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
> >>
> > opinion
> >
> >> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
> >>
> > whether the
> >
> >> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
> >>
> > group
> >
> >> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
> >>
> > strategy
> >
> >> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
> >>
> > agencies not
> >
> >> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care
of
> >>
> > foster
> >
> >> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of
these
> >>
> > people
> >
> >> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
> >>
> > sought.
> >
> >> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
> >> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
exuding
> >> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition
of
> >>
> > what is
> >
> >> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
and
> >> arduous road to follow.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> >>
> > sleeves,
> >
> >> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
Ewing
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
> >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
> >> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
> >>
> >> Listers,
> >>
> >> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
> >> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
> >> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
> >> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
> >> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
> >> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
> >> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in
which
> >> he discusses the tin cup:
> >>
> >> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
> >> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
it
> >> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
> >> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
> >> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
> >> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
> >> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
> >> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
> >> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
> >> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
> >> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response
"cup."
> >> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
> >> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
> >> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
> >>
> >> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
> >> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
> >> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
> >> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
many
> >> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
> >> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
> >> one reason the term disability is now used.
> >>
> >> Anyway, just thought I would share.
> >>
> >> Priscilla
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Here here, well said Joe!
> >>>
> >>> Atty
> >>>
> >>>
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> > Message: 11
> > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:10:20 -0500
> > From: "The Crowd"<the_crowd at cox.net>
> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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> >
> > The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for
change
> > and
> > donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same door,
with
> > the
> > same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
> >
> > I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put one
in
> > mine.
> >
> > I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And they
> > didn't
> > think that of us.
> >
> > Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with things
> > like,
> > "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin
and
> > witch
> > suckers!"
> >
> > Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you
support
> > the
> > NFB?" "Anything will do!"
> >
> > "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
> > sighted
> > one!
> >
> > So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar sitting
on a
> >
> > table full of informational litature and products to sell and
equates it
> > to
> > a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some
way,
> > has
> > issues in themselves, blind or not.
> >
> > Atty
> >
> >
> >
> >
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