[stylist] instead of cars, jobs

Thu Aug 26 01:31:09 UTC 2010

Dear List,

I will not go into the car argument again.  I think we can agree to
disagree!  *smile*

I just wanted to make a side note about one comment.  Yes, we have far
to much work to do so that society believes we can do things efficiently
and safely.  I am the type who believes everyone thinks I can't do
anything, but I must admit that not all people are like this.  Some will
give us a chance, and once we prove our abilities, they do not doubt us.
I was a nanny for a time, taking care of 3 children ranging in age from
5 to 6 months.  We went on trips to the park, mall, swimming pool and
other places, often taking the bus.  Let me tell you about a lesson in
patience dealing with kids on a bus!  *smile*

I was trusted and (the family at least) did not worry that their kids
were in danger with me, and I'm totally blind.  I am not making a
distinction (as I do not believe in that) but many people do make that
distinction, but I was given the opportunity to care for 3 children and
their parents were not constantly worried.  I know this is not the norm,
but my point is that there are people out there who are not complete
jackasses!

Bridgit

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Today's Topics:

   1. Instead of Cars, Jobs (Joe Orozco)
   2. Re: Instead of Cars, Jobs (Jewel S.)
   3. Re: Instead of Cars, Jobs (Peter Donahue)
   4. Re: Instead of Cars, Jobs (BDM)
   5. Re: Instead of Cars, Jobs (loristay)
   6. Re: Instead of Cars, Jobs (Joe Orozco)
   7. Re: Instead of Cars, Jobs (David Andrews)
   8. Re: Instead of Cars, Jobs (Judith Bron)
   9. Re: eat, pray, love and other stuff (loristay)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:47:15 -0400
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
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Subject: [stylist] Instead of Cars, Jobs
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See, instead of using current resources on distant future projects like
the
blind driver challenge, the NFB could be using funds to pursue
opportunities
like the one below, projects that actively find ways to put people into
jobs
in the here and now.  I hope someone in Baltimore tracks these kinds of
opportunities:

 Department of Labor: Add Us In Initiative 

CFDA: 17.720

Deadline: September 1, 2010 

Amount: Estimated funds available: $2,300,000. Estimated grant range:
$500,000-$625,000. Estimated number of awards: Up to 4. 

Eligibility: Eligible consortiums consisting of four organization types,
including an association of targeted business owners or other similar
entity, a
disability-serving organization, a local workforce investment board, and
a
youth-serving organization (See full announcement for additional
information.)

Description: This program provides support to eligible consortia efforts
to
design, implement, and evaluate innovative systems models that support
integrated
employment opportunities for people with disabilities within targeted
businesses. Priority will be given to proposed activities that integrate
the
following
objectives: increase the ability of targeted businesses to employ adults
and
youth with disabilities; develop and evaluate replicable models,
strategies
and policies that would ensure that youth and adults from targeted
populations with disabilities have access to a broader range of
employment
and mentoring
opportunities; and, form and strengthen connections between targeted
businesses, diversity-serving organizations, youth-serving
organizations,
and disability-serving
organizations, building a national and local network of experts skilled
in
serving individuals with disabilities.

Contact: 
Cassandra Mitchell,
202-693-4570 

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:45:34 -0400
From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
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Who says the NFB can't persue both? The NFB has been working hard for
*both* jobs for blind people and the accessible car project. Why can't
we have both? I just don't understand this hostility toward the
project to create a car that is accessible to the blind. It is
interesting, and may someday produce easier transportation for the
blind, which will in turn allow for more jobs for the blind. Two birds
with one stone! For example, I worked as a nanny. One of the reasons I
would not be able to work as a nanny now (as verbalized by the few
families who took the time to interview me after seeing my white cane)
was that I did not have reliable transportation. If there was an
emergency, I could not simply hop in the car with their child/ren and
rush to the emergency room. Nor could I drive to the child's school on
the drop of a dime to pick them up if they got sick or were in
trouble. If there were a car that I could drive, this would not be a
valid point. So, having a blind-friendly car would create jobs!

My two cents,
Jewel

On 8/24/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> See, instead of using current resources on distant future projects
like the
> blind driver challenge, the NFB could be using funds to pursue
opportunities
> like the one below, projects that actively find ways to put people
into jobs
> in the here and now.  I hope someone in Baltimore tracks these kinds
of
> opportunities:
>
>  Department of Labor: Add Us In Initiative
>
> CFDA: 17.720
>
> Deadline: September 1, 2010
>
> Amount: Estimated funds available: $2,300,000. Estimated grant range:
> $500,000-$625,000. Estimated number of awards: Up to 4.
>
> Eligibility: Eligible consortiums consisting of four organization
types,
> including an association of targeted business owners or other similar
> entity, a
> disability-serving organization, a local workforce investment board,
and a
> youth-serving organization (See full announcement for additional
> information.)
>
>
> Description: This program provides support to eligible consortia
efforts to
> design, implement, and evaluate innovative systems models that support
> integrated
> employment opportunities for people with disabilities within targeted
> businesses. Priority will be given to proposed activities that
integrate the
> following
> objectives: increase the ability of targeted businesses to employ
adults and
> youth with disabilities; develop and evaluate replicable models,
strategies
> and policies that would ensure that youth and adults from targeted
> populations with disabilities have access to a broader range of
employment
> and mentoring
> opportunities; and, form and strengthen connections between targeted
> businesses, diversity-serving organizations, youth-serving
organizations,
> and disability-serving
> organizations, building a national and local network of experts
skilled in
> serving individuals with disabilities.
>
> Contact:
> Cassandra Mitchell,
> 202-693-4570
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
>
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-- 
~Jewel
Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:12:04 -0500
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [stylist] Instead of Cars, Jobs
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Good evening everyone,

    Cars drivable by a blind person can mean more employment
opportunities. 
In another ten years or so it could be common to see blind cab drivers, 
blind bus drivers, blind engineers, and blind pilots to name a few. If
you 
take the time to study and understand the goals of the Blind Driver 
Challenge you will observe that the aims and goals of the NFB are all 
interconnected. For those who don't know there is now a Web site
dedicated 
solly to the Blind Driver Challenge. The URL is:
http://www.blinddriverchallenge.org

        The site contains lots of information about this dynamic
project; 
one I imagined and shared with others as far back as 1968.  Creating new

employment possibilities is just one facet of this endeavor. Remember
that 
the next time the bus or your paratransit vehicle is late or fails to
show 
and you're forced to travel on their schedule, not your own. All the
best.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "Writer's Division Mailing List" 
<stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Instead of Cars, Jobs

Who says the NFB can't persue both? The NFB has been working hard for
*both* jobs for blind people and the accessible car project. Why can't
we have both? I just don't understand this hostility toward the
project to create a car that is accessible to the blind. It is
interesting, and may someday produce easier transportation for the
blind, which will in turn allow for more jobs for the blind. Two birds
with one stone! For example, I worked as a nanny. One of the reasons I
would not be able to work as a nanny now (as verbalized by the few
families who took the time to interview me after seeing my white cane)
was that I did not have reliable transportation. If there was an
emergency, I could not simply hop in the car with their child/ren and
rush to the emergency room. Nor could I drive to the child's school on
the drop of a dime to pick them up if they got sick or were in
trouble. If there were a car that I could drive, this would not be a
valid point. So, having a blind-friendly car would create jobs!

My two cents,
Jewel

On 8/24/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> See, instead of using current resources on distant future projects
like 
> the
> blind driver challenge, the NFB could be using funds to pursue 
> opportunities
> like the one below, projects that actively find ways to put people
into 
> jobs
> in the here and now.  I hope someone in Baltimore tracks these kinds
of
> opportunities:
>
>  Department of Labor: Add Us In Initiative
>
> CFDA: 17.720
>
> Deadline: September 1, 2010
>
> Amount: Estimated funds available: $2,300,000. Estimated grant range:
> $500,000-$625,000. Estimated number of awards: Up to 4.
>
> Eligibility: Eligible consortiums consisting of four organization
types,
> including an association of targeted business owners or other similar
> entity, a
> disability-serving organization, a local workforce investment board,
and a
> youth-serving organization (See full announcement for additional
> information.)
>
>
> Description: This program provides support to eligible consortia
efforts 
> to
> design, implement, and evaluate innovative systems models that support
> integrated
> employment opportunities for people with disabilities within targeted
> businesses. Priority will be given to proposed activities that
integrate 
> the
> following
> objectives: increase the ability of targeted businesses to employ
adults 
> and
> youth with disabilities; develop and evaluate replicable models, 
> strategies
> and policies that would ensure that youth and adults from targeted
> populations with disabilities have access to a broader range of
employment
> and mentoring
> opportunities; and, form and strengthen connections between targeted
> businesses, diversity-serving organizations, youth-serving
organizations,
> and disability-serving
> organizations, building a national and local network of experts
skilled in
> serving individuals with disabilities.
>
> Contact:
> Cassandra Mitchell,
> 202-693-4570
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
>
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-- 
~Jewel
Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:30:17 -0500
From: BDM <lists at braddunsemusic.com>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Instead of Cars, Jobs
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Before I ever had vision issues I had envisioned a car that would be 
drivable by the blind or those wishing to put it on auto pilot. Of 
course this was in concept only, not having technical knowledge but 
assumed it could work off a track or wireless signal or the like. I 
will say  a ten year ideal of blind taxi drivers and etc. is a lofty 
goal in which many strides may be made, but folks have difficulty 
trusting blind folks with their databases, telephone systems, 
watching their kids, etc. and I don't think they'll trust us with 
their lives for some time to come. That said I'd always thought, 
admittedly from a naive mind perspective, that the space program was 
a waste and pointless. However my employee, a retired computer person 
contracted out to NASA many times has told me of the advances that 
were made outside the pervue of the program, computer technology, 
prosthetic limbs, various materials and etc. So as lofty  and 
seemingly pointless a goal it might seem, we never know what might 
come from it. And also as  the coffee cup tells me which my son gave 
me for Father's Day a couple years back... "Shoot for the moon. If 
you miss you'll land among the stars".

Brad

At 07:12 PM 8/24/2010, you wrote:
>Good evening everyone,
>
>     Cars drivable by a blind person can mean more employment
opportunities.
>In another ten years or so it could be common to see blind cab drivers,
>blind bus drivers, blind engineers, and blind pilots to name a few. If
you
>take the time to study and understand the goals of the Blind Driver
>Challenge you will observe that the aims and goals of the NFB are all
>interconnected. For those who don't know there is now a Web site
dedicated
>solly to the Blind Driver Challenge. The URL is:
>http://www.blinddriverchallenge.org
>
>         The site contains lots of information about this dynamic
project;
>one I imagined and shared with others as far back as 1968.  Creating
new
>employment possibilities is just one facet of this endeavor. Remember
that
>the next time the bus or your paratransit vehicle is late or fails to
show
>and you're forced to travel on their schedule, not your own. All the
best.
>
>Peter Donahue
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "Writer's Division Mailing List"
><stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Instead of Cars, Jobs
>
>
>Who says the NFB can't persue both? The NFB has been working hard for
>*both* jobs for blind people and the accessible car project. Why can't
>we have both? I just don't understand this hostility toward the
>project to create a car that is accessible to the blind. It is
>interesting, and may someday produce easier transportation for the
>blind, which will in turn allow for more jobs for the blind. Two birds
>with one stone! For example, I worked as a nanny. One of the reasons I
>would not be able to work as a nanny now (as verbalized by the few
>families who took the time to interview me after seeing my white cane)
>was that I did not have reliable transportation. If there was an
>emergency, I could not simply hop in the car with their child/ren and
>rush to the emergency room. Nor could I drive to the child's school on
>the drop of a dime to pick them up if they got sick or were in
>trouble. If there were a car that I could drive, this would not be a
>valid point. So, having a blind-friendly car would create jobs!
>
>My two cents,
>Jewel
>
>On 8/24/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> > See, instead of using current resources on distant future projects
like
> > the
> > blind driver challenge, the NFB could be using funds to pursue
> > opportunities
> > like the one below, projects that actively find ways to put people
into
> > jobs
> > in the here and now.  I hope someone in Baltimore tracks these kinds
of
> > opportunities:
> >
> >  Department of Labor: Add Us In Initiative
> >
> > CFDA: 17.720
> >
> > Deadline: September 1, 2010
> >
> > Amount: Estimated funds available: $2,300,000. Estimated grant
range:
> > $500,000-$625,000. Estimated number of awards: Up to 4.
> >
> > Eligibility: Eligible consortiums consisting of four organization
types,
> > including an association of targeted business owners or other
similar
> > entity, a
> > disability-serving organization, a local workforce investment board,
and a
> > youth-serving organization (See full announcement for additional
> > information.)
> >
> >
> > Description: This program provides support to eligible consortia
efforts
> > to
> > design, implement, and evaluate innovative systems models that
support
> > integrated
> > employment opportunities for people with disabilities within
targeted
> > businesses. Priority will be given to proposed activities that
integrate
> > the
> > following
> > objectives: increase the ability of targeted businesses to employ
adults
> > and
> > youth with disabilities; develop and evaluate replicable models,
> > strategies
> > and policies that would ensure that youth and adults from targeted
> > populations with disabilities have access to a broader range of
employment
> > and mentoring
> > opportunities; and, form and strengthen connections between targeted
> > businesses, diversity-serving organizations, youth-serving
organizations,
> > and disability-serving
> > organizations, building a national and local network of experts
skilled in
> > serving individuals with disabilities.
> >
> > Contact:
> > Cassandra Mitchell,
> > 202-693-4570
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
> > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Writers Division web site:
> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>
>
>--
>~Jewel
>Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
>Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:44:59 -0400
From: loristay <loristay at aol.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Instead of Cars, Jobs
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?A good answer to your lack of transport to the emergency room is: ?An
ambulance! ?I broke my ankle in 1986, and believe me, David wasn't
driving me anywhere. ?I just had him call an ambulance. ?Tough ride, but
it was really the only answer. ?(Ankle is fine now!)
Lori

On Aug 24, 2010, at 7:45:34 PM, "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
wrote:

From:   "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: [stylist] Instead of Cars, Jobs
Date:   August 24, 2010 7:45:34 PM EDT
To: jsorozco at gmail.com,?"Writer's Division Mailing List"
<stylist at nfbnet.org>
Who says the NFB can't persue both? The NFB has been working hard for
*both* jobs for blind people and the accessible car project. Why can't
we have both? I just don't understand this hostility toward the
project to create a car that is accessible to the blind. It is
interesting, and may someday produce easier transportation for the
blind, which will in turn allow for more jobs for the blind. Two birds
with one stone! For example, I worked as a nanny. One of the reasons I
would not be able to work as a nanny now (as verbalized by the few
families who took the time to interview me after seeing my white cane)
was that I did not have reliable transportation. If there was an
emergency, I could not simply hop in the car with their child/ren and
rush to the emergency room. Nor could I drive to the child's school on
the drop of a dime to pick them up if they got sick or were in
trouble. If there were a car that I could drive, this would not be a
valid point. So, having a blind-friendly car would create jobs!

My two cents,
Jewel

On 8/24/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> See, instead of using current resources on distant future projects
like the
> blind driver challenge, the NFB could be using funds to pursue
opportunities
> like the one below, projects that actively find ways to put people
into jobs
> in the here and now. I hope someone in Baltimore tracks these kinds of
> opportunities:
>
> Department of Labor: Add Us In Initiative
>
> CFDA: 17.720
>
> Deadline: September 1, 2010
>
> Amount: Estimated funds available: $2,300,000. Estimated grant range:
> $500,000-$625,000. Estimated number of awards: Up to 4.
>
> Eligibility: Eligible consortiums consisting of four organization
types,
> including an association of targeted business owners or other similar
> entity, a
> disability-serving organization, a local workforce investment board,
and a
> youth-serving organization (See full announcement for additional
> information.)
>
>
> Description: This program provides support to eligible consortia
efforts to
> design, implement, and evaluate innovative systems models that support
> integrated
> employment opportunities for people with disabilities within targeted
> businesses. Priority will be given to proposed activities that
integrate the
> following
> objectives: increase the ability of targeted businesses to employ
adults and
> youth with disabilities; develop and evaluate replicable models,
strategies
> and policies that would ensure that youth and adults from targeted
> populations with disabilities have access to a broader range of
employment
> and mentoring
> opportunities; and, form and strengthen connections between targeted
> businesses, diversity-serving organizations, youth-serving
organizations,
> and disability-serving
> organizations, building a national and local network of experts
skilled in
> serving individuals with disabilities.
>
> Contact:
> Cassandra Mitchell,
> 202-693-4570
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Writers Division web site:
> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>
> stylist mailing list
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:57:36 -0400
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
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Jewel,

Let's be realistic.  If you worked as a Nanny, you would not be able to
afford a car specially designed to be driven for the blind, unless the
client were exceptionally rich with astronomical salaries for their
staff,
and have your declines stemmed out of your inability to drive or out of
the
parents' fear of leaving their children in the care of a blind person?
This
all sounds harsh, but this is the brutal reality this project must
confront
in order to succeed.

The NFB, used, to do both.  The Jobline service was allowed to fizzle
out.
Why has it not been revived?

Peter,

Until you figure out how to get past the CAPTCHA on the Pepsi site,
don't
count on people trusting you to taxi them about. *grin*  I mean no harm
there, friend, but you emphasize my point of priorities.

Okay, I'll drop it now.  Promise.

Best,

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jewel S. [mailto:herekittykat2 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:46 PM
To: jsorozco at gmail.com; Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] Instead of Cars, Jobs

Who says the NFB can't persue both? The NFB has been working hard for
*both* jobs for blind people and the accessible car project. Why can't
we have both? I just don't understand this hostility toward the
project to create a car that is accessible to the blind. It is
interesting, and may someday produce easier transportation for the
blind, which will in turn allow for more jobs for the blind. Two birds
with one stone! For example, I worked as a nanny. One of the reasons I
would not be able to work as a nanny now (as verbalized by the few
families who took the time to interview me after seeing my white cane)
was that I did not have reliable transportation. If there was an
emergency, I could not simply hop in the car with their child/ren and
rush to the emergency room. Nor could I drive to the child's school on
the drop of a dime to pick them up if they got sick or were in
trouble. If there were a car that I could drive, this would not be a
valid point. So, having a blind-friendly car would create jobs!

My two cents,
Jewel

On 8/24/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> See, instead of using current resources on distant future 
projects like the
> blind driver challenge, the NFB could be using funds to 
pursue opportunities
> like the one below, projects that actively find ways to put 
people into jobs
> in the here and now.  I hope someone in Baltimore tracks 
these kinds of
> opportunities:
>
>  Department of Labor: Add Us In Initiative
>
> CFDA: 17.720
>
> Deadline: September 1, 2010
>
> Amount: Estimated funds available: $2,300,000. Estimated grant range:
> $500,000-$625,000. Estimated number of awards: Up to 4.
>
> Eligibility: Eligible consortiums consisting of four 
organization types,
> including an association of targeted business owners or other similar
> entity, a
> disability-serving organization, a local workforce investment 
board, and a
> youth-serving organization (See full announcement for additional
> information.)
>
>
> Description: This program provides support to eligible 
consortia efforts to
> design, implement, and evaluate innovative systems models that support
> integrated
> employment opportunities for people with disabilities within targeted
> businesses. Priority will be given to proposed activities 
that integrate the
> following
> objectives: increase the ability of targeted businesses to 
employ adults and
> youth with disabilities; develop and evaluate replicable 
models, strategies
> and policies that would ensure that youth and adults from targeted
> populations with disabilities have access to a broader range 
of employment
> and mentoring
> opportunities; and, form and strengthen connections between targeted
> businesses, diversity-serving organizations, youth-serving 
organizations,
> and disability-serving
> organizations, building a national and local network of 
experts skilled in
> serving individuals with disabilities.
>
> Contact:
> Cassandra Mitchell,
> 202-693-4570
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up 
their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:36:12 -0500
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
To: jsorozco at gmail.com,Writer's Division Mailing List
	<stylist at nfbnet.org>
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Joe:

Jobline was terminated because the U.S. Department of Labor stopped 
running the database that that powered the whole thing.  They felt 
there were national services like monster.com and state job databases 
in most, if not all states, so their efforts were no longer necessary.

Without a data feed, there was no JobLine.

At 08:57 PM 8/24/2010, you wrote:
>Jewel,
>
>Let's be realistic.  If you worked as a Nanny, you would not be able to
>afford a car specially designed to be driven for the blind, unless the
>client were exceptionally rich with astronomical salaries for their
staff,
>and have your declines stemmed out of your inability to drive or out of
the
>parents' fear of leaving their children in the care of a blind person?
This
>all sounds harsh, but this is the brutal reality this project must
confront
>in order to succeed.
>
>The NFB, used, to do both.  The Jobline service was allowed to fizzle
out.
>Why has it not been revived?
>
>Peter,
>
>Until you figure out how to get past the CAPTCHA on the Pepsi site,
don't
>count on people trusting you to taxi them about. *grin*  I mean no harm
>there, friend, but you emphasize my point of priorities.
>
>Okay, I'll drop it now.  Promise.
>
>Best,
>
>Joe
>
>"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
>some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jewel S. [mailto:herekittykat2 at gmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:46 PM
>To: jsorozco at gmail.com; Writer's Division Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Instead of Cars, Jobs
>
>Who says the NFB can't persue both? The NFB has been working hard for
>*both* jobs for blind people and the accessible car project. Why can't
>we have both? I just don't understand this hostility toward the
>project to create a car that is accessible to the blind. It is
>interesting, and may someday produce easier transportation for the
>blind, which will in turn allow for more jobs for the blind. Two birds
>with one stone! For example, I worked as a nanny. One of the reasons I
>would not be able to work as a nanny now (as verbalized by the few
>families who took the time to interview me after seeing my white cane)
>was that I did not have reliable transportation. If there was an
>emergency, I could not simply hop in the car with their child/ren and
>rush to the emergency room. Nor could I drive to the child's school on
>the drop of a dime to pick them up if they got sick or were in
>trouble. If there were a car that I could drive, this would not be a
>valid point. So, having a blind-friendly car would create jobs!
>
>My two cents,
>Jewel
>
>On 8/24/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> > See, instead of using current resources on distant future
>projects like the
> > blind driver challenge, the NFB could be using funds to
>pursue opportunities
> > like the one below, projects that actively find ways to put
>people into jobs
> > in the here and now.  I hope someone in Baltimore tracks
>these kinds of
> > opportunities:
> >
> >  Department of Labor: Add Us In Initiative
> >
> > CFDA: 17.720
> >
> > Deadline: September 1, 2010
> >
> > Amount: Estimated funds available: $2,300,000. Estimated grant
range:
> > $500,000-$625,000. Estimated number of awards: Up to 4.
> >
> > Eligibility: Eligible consortiums consisting of four
>organization types,
> > including an association of targeted business owners or other
similar
> > entity, a
> > disability-serving organization, a local workforce investment
>board, and a
> > youth-serving organization (See full announcement for additional
> > information.)
> >
> >
> > Description: This program provides support to eligible
>consortia efforts to
> > design, implement, and evaluate innovative systems models that
support
> > integrated
> > employment opportunities for people with disabilities within
targeted
> > businesses. Priority will be given to proposed activities
>that integrate the
> > following
> > objectives: increase the ability of targeted businesses to
>employ adults and
> > youth with disabilities; develop and evaluate replicable
>models, strategies
> > and policies that would ensure that youth and adults from targeted
> > populations with disabilities have access to a broader range
>of employment
> > and mentoring
> > opportunities; and, form and strengthen connections between targeted
> > businesses, diversity-serving organizations, youth-serving
>organizations,
> > and disability-serving
> > organizations, building a national and local network of
>experts skilled in
> > serving individuals with disabilities.
> >
> > Contact:
> > Cassandra Mitchell,
> > 202-693-4570
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up
>their sleeves,
> > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Writers Division web site:
> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
><http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> >
> > stylist mailing list
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>tykat2%40gmail.com
> >
>
>
>--
>~Jewel

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:22:11 -0400
From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Instead of Cars, Jobs
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Has anyone seen the success of the Dept. of Labor recently?  Judith
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "Writer's Division Mailing List" 
<stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Instead of Cars, Jobs

> Joe:
>
> Jobline was terminated because the U.S. Department of Labor stopped 
> running the database that that powered the whole thing.  They felt
there 
> were national services like monster.com and state job databases in
most, 
> if not all states, so their efforts were no longer necessary.
>
> Without a data feed, there was no JobLine.
>
> At 08:57 PM 8/24/2010, you wrote:
>>Jewel,
>>
>>Let's be realistic.  If you worked as a Nanny, you would not be able
to
>>afford a car specially designed to be driven for the blind, unless the
>>client were exceptionally rich with astronomical salaries for their
staff,
>>and have your declines stemmed out of your inability to drive or out
of 
>>the
>>parents' fear of leaving their children in the care of a blind person?

>>This
>>all sounds harsh, but this is the brutal reality this project must 
>>confront
>>in order to succeed.
>>
>>The NFB, used, to do both.  The Jobline service was allowed to fizzle
out.
>>Why has it not been revived?
>>
>>Peter,
>>
>>Until you figure out how to get past the CAPTCHA on the Pepsi site,
don't
>>count on people trusting you to taxi them about. *grin*  I mean no
harm
>>there, friend, but you emphasize my point of priorities.
>>
>>Okay, I'll drop it now.  Promise.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
>>some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jewel S. [mailto:herekittykat2 at gmail.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:46 PM
>>To: jsorozco at gmail.com; Writer's Division Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] Instead of Cars, Jobs
>>
>>Who says the NFB can't persue both? The NFB has been working hard for
>>*both* jobs for blind people and the accessible car project. Why can't
>>we have both? I just don't understand this hostility toward the
>>project to create a car that is accessible to the blind. It is
>>interesting, and may someday produce easier transportation for the
>>blind, which will in turn allow for more jobs for the blind. Two birds
>>with one stone! For example, I worked as a nanny. One of the reasons I
>>would not be able to work as a nanny now (as verbalized by the few
>>families who took the time to interview me after seeing my white cane)
>>was that I did not have reliable transportation. If there was an
>>emergency, I could not simply hop in the car with their child/ren and
>>rush to the emergency room. Nor could I drive to the child's school on
>>the drop of a dime to pick them up if they got sick or were in
>>trouble. If there were a car that I could drive, this would not be a
>>valid point. So, having a blind-friendly car would create jobs!
>>
>>My two cents,
>>Jewel
>>
>>On 8/24/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > See, instead of using current resources on distant future
>>projects like the
>> > blind driver challenge, the NFB could be using funds to
>>pursue opportunities
>> > like the one below, projects that actively find ways to put
>>people into jobs
>> > in the here and now.  I hope someone in Baltimore tracks
>>these kinds of
>> > opportunities:
>> >
>> >  Department of Labor: Add Us In Initiative
>> >
>> > CFDA: 17.720
>> >
>> > Deadline: September 1, 2010
>> >
>> > Amount: Estimated funds available: $2,300,000. Estimated grant
range:
>> > $500,000-$625,000. Estimated number of awards: Up to 4.
>> >
>> > Eligibility: Eligible consortiums consisting of four
>>organization types,
>> > including an association of targeted business owners or other
similar
>> > entity, a
>> > disability-serving organization, a local workforce investment
>>board, and a
>> > youth-serving organization (See full announcement for additional
>> > information.)
>> >
>> >
>> > Description: This program provides support to eligible
>>consortia efforts to
>> > design, implement, and evaluate innovative systems models that
support
>> > integrated
>> > employment opportunities for people with disabilities within
targeted
>> > businesses. Priority will be given to proposed activities
>>that integrate the
>> > following
>> > objectives: increase the ability of targeted businesses to
>>employ adults and
>> > youth with disabilities; develop and evaluate replicable
>>models, strategies
>> > and policies that would ensure that youth and adults from targeted
>> > populations with disabilities have access to a broader range
>>of employment
>> > and mentoring
>> > opportunities; and, form and strengthen connections between
targeted
>> > businesses, diversity-serving organizations, youth-serving
>>organizations,
>> > and disability-serving
>> > organizations, building a national and local network of
>>experts skilled in
>> > serving individuals with disabilities.
>> >
>> > Contact:
>> > Cassandra Mitchell,
>> > 202-693-4570
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up
>>their sleeves,
>> > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
Ewing
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Writers Division web site:
>> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>><http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>> >
>> > stylist mailing list
>> > stylist at nfbnet.org
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>> > stylist:
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>>tykat2%40gmail.com
>> >
>>
>>
>>--
>>~Jewel
>
>                         David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
> Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:47:29 -0400
From: loristay <loristay at aol.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] eat, pray, love and other stuff
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I've had a couple of blind characters in my fiction, but on the whole
find I am too close to the situation to write with any perspective. ?So
I limit it to memoir writing. ?I am sighted, but my husband is blind,
and we have been part of NFB since 1974. ?I once had to give a talk to
the Writers' Division meeting at a National Convention in which I
mentioned that there are times I forget I'm not blind. ?Others have said
this to me as well. ?By the end of a convention, I am looking for my
white cane.

If something is truly a part of your life, you will write about it. ?You
may not write it the way your fellows in the situation see it. ?You may
not think it is that much a part of your life, but that would not be
true. ?It is, and chances are you have accepted it. ?There have been
times when I've mentioned off hand that David is blind, and thrown my
listeners or readers for a loop. ?They were not expecting it, and didn't
know how to take it. ?But my casual acceptance helped.
Lori
On Aug 23, 2010, at 9:20:38 PM, "Priscilla McKinley"
<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com> wrote:

From:	"Priscilla McKinley" <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
Subject:	Re: [stylist] eat, pray, love and other stuff
Date:	August 23, 2010 9:20:38 PM EDT
To:	"Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
So what else are people working on? Who else is writing about
blindness in memoir/nonfiction or is using blind characters in
fiction, besides Joe? What types of things are people working on?
What struggles are people encountering?

As a nonfiction/memoir writer, I can?t imagine excluding my blindness,
as it is a part of me. Plus, now I have been blind for half of my
life. I used to write essays on being a parent, which included a lot
of issues related to blindness, mostly because I didn?t have
experience in blindness or motherhood, since I lost my sight the day
my first and only child was born. If I had had experience in either,
things might have been a little easier. As a totally blind parent who
knew nothing about blindness, though, I met many challenges,
especially when my son?s father couldn?t deal with the blindness and
left us.

You mentioned Didion in your last message, Bridgit. I just used a
quote from Didion when working on one of my chapters the other day.
In her essay ?ON Keeping a Notebook,? Didion refers to the past selves
in our lives. Sometimes I will use the third person to talk about my
past self, the girl who lost her sight at a young age with such
limited emotional support. Do I feel sorry for myself today? Not at
all. Do I feel for that past self? Yes. She had a very difficult
time. I can see her in the corner of a room, rocking her baby, back
and forth, back and forth, the floor creaking beneath the white
whicker rocker. As she sings songs she remembers from Girl Scouts,
she smiles, looking down at her son, seeing only a shadow, a blur, a
blob, the tears falling from her eyes. (Things probably wouldn?t have
been as bad, but I discovered a few years later that one of the meds
the doctors had put me on caused depression. Great. *smile* Give a
girl who just lost her sight and is going through post-partum
depression a drug that causes depression.)

My blindness is no longer a challenge, except when it comes to
attitudes of others and accessibility, but those conversations come up
in my writing because they come up in my life. The memoir I am
working on right now has a lot to do with my disabilities, not just my
blindness. I don?t know how I could exclude any of that, since my
book is on people?s reactions. In fact, as I said yesterday, I am
trying to write humorously. For my friends and family members who
have read clips, the book is funny, but they?ve known me forever. I
did a public reading of part of one chapter at the ADA celebration in
Iowa City a few weeks ago, and people were laughing, but many had
disabilities. I plan to link up with a reader, someone who doesn?t
have any major disabilities, like blindness or missing body parts, and
who doesn?t know me.

Priscilla

On 8/23/10, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I understand what you mean about Dillard. I don't think her stuff is
> something you can just sit and read whenever.
>
> I forgot to mention Didion too. Just her life in general is
> interesting! *smile*
>
> Actually, I don't often write about blindness or at least directly
about
> it. I wasn't always blind, but even though I have only been blind for
> seven years, I seem to have other things to talk about, at least when
it
> comes to writing about myself. If I have something to say on
blindness,
> then I can go on and on.
>
> I had a studio instructor who kept pushing me to explore my blindness,
> but I really did not have anything to discover on that topic in my
life.
> I don't struggle with the concept or have emotions directly related to
> being blind. Essentially, the only thing I have to explore on
blindness
> is how society perceives it. After I explained this, the instructor
> backed off. Even though blindness is a huge story to tell for her, it
> is just a part of my story. My point was that, when writing about
> myself, I rarely touch on blindness. Everyone expects me to write
about
> it and are surprised when I don't. I always find this interesting.
>
> Yes, Ross trained at IDB too (that is where we met) and he graduated
> from Iowa as well. He has worked a total of 3 summers doing
transition.
> Actually, he worked it back in 2006 after we had been married for only
4
> months! *smile* It was fun living apart from my new husband for four
> months! LOL
>
> I agree that on average books are better than their movies. Films must
> cut to the heart of the plot and can not spend time on sub-plots and
> lengthy character development. It always confuses me, though, when
> films completely change or add stuff.
>
> Bridgit
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:41:41 -0500
> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
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> Hi you all,
>
> As the president of this Division, I sure encourage you all to
> participate
> in this Pepsi Challenge! And so for some of us, to get it going was a
> challenge. And so what is new about that? Notice how several of us
> jumped to
> help any one of us who was struggling with getting this voting thing
> worked
> out -- like I was, at first. Now I do my own voting, independently.
And
> nope, this isn't a perfect world yet, but --- and yes, we work at
making
> it
> so, even at times, we will stand up and stomp and yell --- though
there
> are
> other times when we work with the "not so perfect," (like this Pepsi
> thing)
> because if we hit this challenge thing hard enough, there is a super
> payoff
> that will help us in another of our goals (Youth Slam). (So some
times,
> you
> pick your battles, always keeping your eye on the larger picture.)
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
> President- NFB Writers' Division
> Division Website
> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> Personal Website-
> http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
> Behalf Of Peter Donahue
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:41 AM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
> Hello Cheryl and everyone,
>
> If we're going to encourage blind people to use the Internet and all
> it
> offers we should not engage in activities that could compromise our
> position
>
> on Internet accessibility. The only social network Mary and I join is
> one we
>
> build ourselves; one that is under the control of those who understand
> the
> importance of accessibility and who ensure that all can use it
> independently.
>
> The Pepsi Challenge wasn't even discussed at our chapter meeting
> yesterday. Other members and blind people we've talked to about this
> whole
> issue have chosen not to participate for many of the same reasons. If
> there
> were ways to vote without having to join a social network particularly
> for
> that purpose, having to mess with captchas, etc more of us would have
> participated. Our chapter president didn't even mention this campaign
at
>
> yesterday's meeting and yours truly kept his mouth shut . And
especially
> so
> as we had a large number of guests present several of which became
> members
> when the meeting was over. All the best.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
>
> why is everyone so negative, aren't we trying to fight the sterotypes,
> and
> encourage blind to use the website and social networking and we do
have
> accessible phone we can use as well, that allow you to go online.
>
> goodness let's all feel sorry for ourselves and not help our
> organization
> out. boo hoo.
>
> Geez louise. Enough already.
>
> And these are leaders in the NFB that are saying this stuff, way to
go.
> How
> embarrassing!
>
> I am an Officer and I try to encourage others on how to do things, I
was
> just helping one of my chapter members to do it and she did it.
>
> If we can help youth slam, how do we suppose to encourage others to do
> it.
>
> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> Independent Travel Consultant
> C10-10646
>
> http://Echevarriatravel.com
> 1-866-580-5574
> skype: angeldn3
>
> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> CST-1018299-10
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and
Travel
> Inc.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>
>
>> Hi Bridget,
>> I agree with you about isolating ourselves. The whole separate but
> equal
>> thing about setting up accessible social networking scares the
> daylights
>> out of me. It plays right into the hands of the frightened sighted
>> public who would rather not have to deal with us. It also keeps us
> from
>> interacting in the same arena which our sighted peers have. In short,
>> the site might be more accessible to us, but it doesn't make the
> world
>> more accessible to us.
>> Donna
>>
>> Read Donna's articles on
>> Suite 101:
>> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
>> Ezine Articles:
>> http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
>> American Chronicle:
>> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>>
>> Connect with Donna on
>> Twitter:
>> www.twitter.com/dewhill
>> LinkedIn:
>> www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
>> FaceBook:
>> www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
>>
>> Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
>> cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>> Apple I-Tunes
>>
>
phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=25924437
> 4
>>
>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>> www.padnfb.org
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/2010 11:01 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>> > Yes we need to ensure accessibility happens so that everyone has
> equal
>> > access to whatever, but if we constantly set up things, whether
they
> be
>> > websites or other avenues, specifically for a certain group, aren't
> we
>> > isolating ourselves from society? People must realize that products
>> > should be accessible for any user, and if a group or company
refuses
> to
>> > do so, then it makes sense to establish our own product, but must
we
>> > always create our own products, or can we not continue to work with
>> > existing companies and products to find solutions? I will use
> Facebook
>> > for an example since this seems to be the name that keeps coming up
> in
>> > the argument, but so many blind people use Facebook with little or
> no
>> > problems. Personally I am no fan of Facebook, but where is the real
>> > issue? The NFB and other groups seem to be attempting to address
> the
>> > issue as much as they can. Many, many products and websites are now
>> > usable by the blind and we didn't have to spend money to develop
the
>> > same thing. I call that smart business! *smile*
>> >
>> > Also, there are other disabilities beyond blindness that often
> require
>> > accommodations and modifications. Should all cars be drivable off
> theh
>> > lot by Little People? Should Spanish and ASL be required for all
> public
>> > officials? Should every building be created so that even those with
>> > mobility issues can access it? Of course, but the world does not
> always
>> > think from this perspective. We, the disabled, must ensure our own
>> > accessibility, but we don't have to always start from the ground
up.
> We
>> > can and should work with existing structures which then allow us to
> be a
>> > part of society and not isolating ourselves.
>> >
>> > Bridgit
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
>> > Behalf Of stylist-request at nfbnet.org
>> > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:00 PM
>> > To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: stylist Digest, Vol 76, Issue 34
>> >
>> > Send stylist mailing list submissions to
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>> > Today's Topics:
>> >
>> > 1. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>> > 2. Re: question about philosophy (Judith Bron)
>> > 3. social networking and youth slam (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>> > 4. Re: social networking and youth slam (cheryl echevarria)
>> > 5. Re: social networking and youth slam (Peter Donahue)
>> > 6. Re: question about philosophy (Joe Orozco)
>> > 7. Re: social networking and youth slam (Joe Orozco)
>> > 8. Re: question about philosophy (Donna Hill)
>> > 9. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
>> > 10. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>> > 11. Re: question about philosophy (The Crowd)
>> >
>> >
>> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:18:22 -0500
>> > From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> > Message-ID:
>> > <AANLkTi=ibDnhFaeOSCbO1DGd9N2p5ne0a3ejeU1ZJe5i at mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>> >
>> > Listers,
>> >
>> > While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> > sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> > persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> > sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> > struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>> > ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> > banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in
which
>> > he discusses the tin cup:
>> >
>> > ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> > society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
it
>> > takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> > popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> > dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> > man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
> program,
>> > "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>> > secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> > show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
> offered
>> > was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> cue
>> > word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response
"cup."
>> > There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
> and
>> > all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> when
>> > he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>> >
>> > In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>> > those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> > opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
> cups
>> > and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> many
>> > people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>> > originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
> is
>> > one reason the term disability is now used.
>> >
>> > Anyway, just thought I would share.
>> >
>> > Priscilla
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Here here, well said Joe!
>> >>
>> >> Atty
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> >>
>> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>> >
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>> > ley%40gmail.com
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:03:05 -0400
>> > From: Judith Bron<jbron at optonline.net>
>> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> > Message-ID:<004f01cb4091$f07adb10$3302a8c0 at dell5150>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=Windows-1252;
>> > reply-type=original
>> >
>> > Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
> majority or
>> > to
>> > rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life is
> not a
>> >
>> > game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have guessed
> that
>> > blind
>> > could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over the world use a
> cup,
>> >
>> > charity box or some other kind of vessel to collect for their
>> > organizations,
>> > the needy and the otherwise disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel
> a
>> > myth
>> > or are you going out of your way to prove that every negative
> associated
>> >
>> > with blindness has been successful in portraying the blind since
>> > forever?
>> > The guy standing on the street during holiday time is collecting
> money
>> > using
>> > a large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to
> grow
>> > up
>> > and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Priscilla McKinley"<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> >
>> >
>> > Listers,
>> >
>> > While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> > sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> > persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> > sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> > struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>> > ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> > banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in
which
>> > he discusses the tin cup:
>> >
>> > ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> > society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
it
>> > takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> > popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> > dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> > man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
> program,
>> > "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>> > secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> > show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
> offered
>> > was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> cue
>> > word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response
"cup."
>> > There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
> and
>> > all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> when
>> > he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>> >
>> > In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>> > those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> > opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
> cups
>> > and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> many
>> > people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>> > originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
> is
>> > one reason the term disability is now used.
>> >
>> > Anyway, just thought I would share.
>> >
>> > Priscilla
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Here here, well said Joe!
>> >>
>> >> Atty
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Writers Division web site:
>> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> >>
>> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>> >
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>> > ley%40gmail.com
>> >
>> >>
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>> >
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>> > ne.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 3
>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:48 -0500
>> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> > Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP407C91BF2CE029EB8B1FBDC49F0 at phx.gbl>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > Peter and others,
>> >
>> > I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> > accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
> accessibility
>> > just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>> >
>> > If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> > understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
> voting,
>> > however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> > whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> can
>> > not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> > accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
> ourselves
>> > from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
> issues.
>> > It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
on.
>> > There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> > bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>> > blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> phones
>> > can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>> > world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
> that is
>> > a whole other discussion! *smile*
>> >
>> > As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
complications,
> I
>> > must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
> with
>> > the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> > amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> setting a
>> > new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
> never
>> > have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
> people
>> > can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
> them to
>> > experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> changed
>> > after attending Youth Slam.
>> >
>> > So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> manner
>> > possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> raised,
>> > no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> society
>> > in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
> confidence
>> > and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>> >
>> > Bridgit
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 4
>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:05:02 -0400
>> > From: "cheryl echevarria"<cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> > Message-ID:<BAY110-DS689D8C5F44A944FAC81ECA19F0 at phx.gbl>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > um the NFB had to sign up to be part of this I think they would
know
> if
>> > this
>> > is accessible or not since Dr. Maurer did announce it on the
Monthly
>> > Presidential Release and that if he could do it anybody could do
it.
>> >
>> > The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>> >
>> > Cheryl Echevarria
>> > Independent Travel Consultant
>> > C10-10646
>> >
>> > http://Echevarriatravel.com
>> > 1-866-580-5574
>> > skype: angeldn3
>> >
>> > Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>> > CST-1018299-10
>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and
> Travel
>> > Inc.
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 PM
>> > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Peter and others,
>> >>
>> >> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> >> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
> accessibility
>> >> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of
Rights.
>> >>
>> >> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> >> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
> voting,
>> >> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> >> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> can
>> >> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> >> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
> ourselves
>> >> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
> issues.
>> >> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
> on.
>> >> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> >> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
> are
>> >> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> phones
>> >> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of
the
>> >> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
> that
>> >>
>> > is
>> >
>> >> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>> >>
>> >> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
> complications, I
>> >> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
> with
>> >> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> >> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> setting
>> >>
>> > a
>> >
>> >> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
> never
>> >> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
> people
>> >> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
> them
>> >>
>> > to
>> >
>> >> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> changed
>> >> after attending Youth Slam.
>> >>
>> >> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> manner
>> >> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> >>
>> > raised,
>> >
>> >> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> >>
>> > society
>> >
>> >> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
> confidence
>> >> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>> >>
>> >> Bridgit
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Writers Division web site:
>> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> >>
>> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>> >
>> >> stylist mailing list
>> >> stylist at nfbnet.org
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>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> for
>> >> stylist:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
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>> > 0hotmail.com
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 5
>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:11:51 -0500
>> > From: "Peter Donahue"<pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
>> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> > Message-ID:<001701cb409b$8cc76f20$4001a8c0 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >
>> > This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
>> > ourselves
>> >
>> > never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
> develop
>> > the
>> > technology to enable a blind person to drive a car independently we
>> > should
>> > have the know-how to develop our own social networking services to
> serve
>> > as
>> > a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
accessible
> to
>> > all.
>> > We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>> > accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>> >
>> > Peter Donahue
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>> > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> >
>> >
>> > Peter and others,
>> >
>> > I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> > accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
> accessibility
>> > just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>> >
>> > If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> > understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
> voting,
>> > however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> > whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> can
>> > not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> > accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
> ourselves
>> > from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
> issues.
>> > It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
on.
>> > There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> > bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>> > blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> phones
>> > can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>> > world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
> that is
>> > a whole other discussion! *smile*
>> >
>> > As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
complications,
> I
>> > must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
> with
>> > the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> > amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> setting a
>> > new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
> never
>> > have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
> people
>> > can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
> them to
>> > experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> changed
>> > after attending Youth Slam.
>> >
>> > So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> manner
>> > possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> raised,
>> > no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> society
>> > in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
> confidence
>> > and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>> >
>> > Bridgit
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
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>> >
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>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 6
>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:49:34 -0400
>> > From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
>> > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> > Message-ID:<94B68AE810DF4C029D6F3DED7019AE2F at Rufus>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a
donation
>> > cup, I
>> > might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>> > brochures
>> > and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>> > educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>> > Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
>> > fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
> the
>> > division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
> public
>> > venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event
would
>> > attract
>> > the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
>> > wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
> contrary,
>> > one
>> > lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
> among
>> > other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>> > group?
>> > I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
> presence
>> > or
>> > absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
>> > about
>> > blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>> > opinion
>> > of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
> whether
>> > the
>> > group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
>> > group
>> > has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
> strategy
>> > completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
> agencies
>> > not
>> > use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care
> of
>> > foster
>> > children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of
> these
>> > people
>> > would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>> > sought.
>> > It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>> > fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
> exuding
>> > confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition
of
>> > what is
>> > normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
> and
>> > arduous road to follow.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> > sleeves,
>> > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
Ewing
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> >
>> > Listers,
>> >
>> > While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> > sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> > persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> > sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> > struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>> > ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> > banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in
which
>> > he discusses the tin cup:
>> >
>> > "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> > society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
it
>> > takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> > popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> > dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> > man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
> program,
>> > "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>> > secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> > show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
> offered
>> > was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> cue
>> > word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response
"cup."
>> > There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
> and
>> > all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> when
>> > he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>> >
>> > In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
>> > those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> > opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
> cups
>> > and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> many
>> > people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>> > originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
> is
>> > one reason the term disability is now used.
>> >
>> > Anyway, just thought I would share.
>> >
>> > Priscilla
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Here here, well said Joe!
>> >>
>> >> Atty
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> >>
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>> >
>> >>
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>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 7
>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:02:18 -0400
>> > From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
>> > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> > Message-ID:<659A73BDED1248F1B6A150EBB34828E3 at Rufus>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > Peter,
>> >
>> > This is my issue with web accessibility. I don't know that everyone
>> > will
>> > ever be able to agree on what it means to be accessible, because
> there
>> > are
>> > varying levels of computer skills and screen reader features. So
> far I
>> > must
>> > say you are the only person I've seen complain about the
> accessibility
>> > of
>> > the Pepsi Challenge project, which does not mean your complaint is
>> > irrelevant. It means there must surely be others who are
> experiencing
>> > similar problems, but I have not yet heard a valid reason for why
> the
>> > CAPTCHA feature is posing such a problem. There are two services
> that
>> > help
>> > blind users translate the CAPTCHA codes. Even deaf and blind users
> can
>> > have
>> > the text transmitted without bothering with the audio. My point
> here is
>> > not
>> > to turn your concerns away. They are valid, but technology is
> changing.
>> > To
>> > me it sounds as though you are reluctant to change with it, and in
> the
>> > meantime should we turn away from a free means of earning $250,000
> just
>> > because we want to prove a point? If we don't take advantage of
> this
>> > project while it lasts, someone else will, and would you actually
> argue
>> > that
>> > those other projects are more important than the future potential
of
> our
>> > math and science enthusiasts? These are, after all, the people on
> whom
>> > we
>> > are relying to build that there car for blind folk. For every
> minute
>> > you
>> > spent writing your flurry of posts objecting the Pepsi project, you
>> > could
>> > have been spending the time communicating with Pepsi. You're the
> web
>> > development guy who could have expertly conveyed to them what is
> needed.
>> > I'm having difficulty feeling empathetic with you on this one.
>> >
>> > Respectfully,
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> > sleeves,
>> > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
Ewing
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:12 PM
>> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> >
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >
>> > This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
>> > ourselves
>> > never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
>> > develop the
>> > technology to enable a blind person to drive a car
>> > independently we should
>> > have the know-how to develop our own social networking services
>> > to serve as
>> > a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
>> > accessible to all.
>> > We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>> > accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>> >
>> > Peter Donahue
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>> > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> >
>> >
>> > Peter and others,
>> >
>> > I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> > accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
> accessibility
>> > just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>> >
>> > If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> > understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
> voting,
>> > however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> > whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> can
>> > not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> > accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
> ourselves
>> > from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
> issues.
>> > It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
on.
>> > There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> > bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>> > blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> phones
>> > can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>> > world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
> that is
>> > a whole other discussion! *smile*
>> >
>> > As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
complications,
> I
>> > must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
> with
>> > the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> > amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> setting a
>> > new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
> never
>> > have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
> people
>> > can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
> them to
>> > experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> changed
>> > after attending Youth Slam.
>> >
>> > So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> manner
>> > possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> raised,
>> > no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> society
>> > in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
> confidence
>> > and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>> >
>> > Bridgit
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Writers Division web site:
>> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>> >
>> > stylist mailing list
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>> > e1%40sbcglobal.net
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 8
>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:44:06 -0400
>> > From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
>> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> > Message-ID:<4C6EF726.5000207 at epix.net>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>> >
>> > Amen, Judith.
>> >
>> > Read Donna's articles on
>> > Suite 101:
>> > www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
>> > Ezine Articles:
>> > http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
>> > American Chronicle:
>> > www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>> >
>> > Connect with Donna on
>> > Twitter:
>> > www.twitter.com/dewhill
>> > LinkedIn:
>> > www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
>> > FaceBook:
>> > www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
>> >
>> > Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
>> > cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>> > Apple I-Tunes
>> >
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>> > 4
>> >
>> > Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>> > Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>> > Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>> > www.padnfb.org
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/20/2010 2:03 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>> >
>> >> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
> majority
>> >> or to rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth?
> Life
>> >> is not a game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have
>> >> guessed that blind could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all
> over
>> >>
>> >
>> >> the world use a cup, charity box or some other kind of vessel to
>> >> collect for their organizations, the needy and the otherwise
>> >> disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a myth or are you going
> out
>> >> of your way to prove that every negative associated with blindness
> has
>> >>
>> >
>> >> been successful in portraying the blind since forever? The guy
>> >> standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money
> using a
>> >>
>> >
>> >> large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to
> grow
>> >> up and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priscilla McKinley"
>> >> <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> >> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Listers,
>> >>
>> >> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> >> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> >> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> >> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> >> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind,
including
>> >> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> >> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in
> which
>> >> he discusses the tin cup:
>> >>
>> >> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> >> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
> it
>> >> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> >> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> >> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> >> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
> program,
>> >> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing
at
>> >> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> >> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
> offered
>> >> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> cue
>> >> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response
> "cup."
>> >> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
> and
>> >> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> when
>> >> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>> >>
>> >> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back
to
>> >> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> >> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
> cups
>> >> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> many
>> >> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>> >> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar,
which
> is
>> >> one reason the term disability is now used.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>> >>
>> >> Priscilla
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Here here, well said Joe!
>> >>>
>> >>> Atty
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Writers Division web site:
>> >>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> >>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> > Message: 9
>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:45:57 -0400
>> > From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
>> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> > Message-ID:<4C6EF795.4050203 at epix.net>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>> >
>> > Well put, Bridget!
>> > Donna
>> >
>> > Read Donna's articles on
>> > Suite 101:
>> > www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
>> > Ezine Articles:
>> > http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
>> > American Chronicle:
>> > www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>> >
>> > Connect with Donna on
>> > Twitter:
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>> > LinkedIn:
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>> >
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>> > Apple I-Tunes
>> >
>
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>> > 4
>> >
>> > Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>> > Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>> > Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>> > www.padnfb.org
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/20/2010 2:52 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>> >
>> >> Peter and others,
>> >>
>> >> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> >> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
> accessibility
>> >> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of
Rights.
>> >>
>> >> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> >> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
> voting,
>> >> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> >> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> can
>> >> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> >> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
> ourselves
>> >> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
> issues.
>> >> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
> on.
>> >> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> >> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
> are
>> >> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> phones
>> >> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of
the
>> >> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
> that
>> >>
>> > is
>> >
>> >> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>> >>
>> >> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
> complications, I
>> >> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
> with
>> >> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> >> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> setting
>> >>
>> > a
>> >
>> >> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
> never
>> >> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
> people
>> >> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
> them
>> >>
>> > to
>> >
>> >> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> changed
>> >> after attending Youth Slam.
>> >>
>> >> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> manner
>> >> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> >>
>> > raised,
>> >
>> >> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> >>
>> > society
>> >
>> >> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
> confidence
>> >> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>> >>
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>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:00:04 -0500
>> > From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>> > I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. *smile* As a
>> > person who has had severl fundraisers over the years, including
>> > selling calendars, hot dogs, candy bars, shot glasses, Capitol
Steps
>> > tickets, to name just a few, we never had a container sitting on
the
>> > table where people could drop money. We would accept donations that
>> > were given to us but that meant the people had to interact in some
>> > way. They couldn't just walk by and ignore us, dropping money in a
>> > jar. They had to talk to us, to hand us the money. Similarly,
> people
>> > who donate online will be at our website and see positive images.
>> > Plus, they have to make a conscious decision to go there. (If
>> > dropping money in a container, some people might not even remember
>> > the name of the group to which they gave money.)
>> >
>> > When I was living on the East Coast and was a member of a chapter
>> > there, we discussed this topic in great detail. We talked about
> blind
>> > beggers in the past and the idea of the tin cup. People would walk
>> > by, dig into their pockets, and put change in the cup, pitying the
>> > blind. As a chapter, we decided to empty our pockets for other
>> > organizations instead. The chapter president gave everyone a
> plastic
>> > container and told us to drop our change in their over the next
> month
>> > and bring the containers back to the next meeting, which was in
>> > November. After receiving the containers and putting it in the
>> > account, the chapter presented the money in check form for an
>> > organization that was providing holiday meals and gifts for
> struggling
>> > families. Instead of taking, we were giving.
>> >
>> > While I'm no expert on this topic, I know how I viewed blindness
>> > before I lost my sight, and I see the same reactions from others
> today
>> > now that I am blind. There are a lot of organizational things that
> I
>> > don't agree with, but I would agree with Dr. Jernigan that that
> image
>> > needs to be changed. Even today, I don't think it has. Like
> someone
>> > said on here, the car that the blind can drive is supposed to
>> > represent the positives, the future. Well, I believe the cup or
>> > container just sitting there symbolizes the past, the negatives.
> But
>> > again, that is just one opinion out of many. Perhaps someone should
>> > write a letter to Doctor Maurer so he can read it at one of his
>> > leadership seminars. I'm sure there would be lots of opinions, as
>> > there are for almost every letter read at the seminars.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Priscilla
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/20/10, Joe Orozco<jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a
> donation
>> >>
>> > cup, I
>> >
>> >> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>> >>
>> > brochures
>> >
>> >> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>> >> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>> >> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern
Strums
>> >> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space
> for
>> >>
>> > the
>> >
>> >> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
>> >>
>> > public
>> >
>> >> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event
> would
>> >>
>> > attract
>> >
>> >> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members.
> People
>> >> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
>> >>
>> > contrary, one
>> >
>> >> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
>> >>
>> > among
>> >
>> >> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>> >>
>> > group?
>> >
>> >> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
> presence
>> >>
>> > or
>> >
>> >> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also
literature
>> >>
>> > about
>> >
>> >> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>> >>
>> > opinion
>> >
>> >> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
>> >>
>> > whether the
>> >
>> >> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction
the
>> >>
>> > group
>> >
>> >> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
>> >>
>> > strategy
>> >
>> >> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
>> >>
>> > agencies not
>> >
>> >> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care
> of
>> >>
>> > foster
>> >
>> >> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of
> these
>> >>
>> > people
>> >
>> >> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>> >>
>> > sought.
>> >
>> >> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>> >> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
> exuding
>> >> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition
> of
>> >>
>> > what is
>> >
>> >> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
> and
>> >> arduous road to follow.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Joe
>> >>
>> >> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> >>
>> > sleeves,
>> >
>> >> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
> Ewing
>> >>
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>> >> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla
McKinley
>> >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>> >> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> >> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> >>
>> >> Listers,
>> >>
>> >> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> >> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> >> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> >> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> >> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind,
including
>> >> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> >> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in
> which
>> >> he discusses the tin cup:
>> >>
>> >> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> >> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
> it
>> >> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> >> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> >> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> >> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
> program,
>> >> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing
at
>> >> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> >> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
> offered
>> >> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> cue
>> >> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response
> "cup."
>> >> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
> and
>> >> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> when
>> >> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>> >>
>> >> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back
to
>> >> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> >> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
> cups
>> >> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> many
>> >> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>> >> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar,
which
> is
>> >> one reason the term disability is now used.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>> >>
>> >> Priscilla
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Here here, well said Joe!
>> >>>
>> >>> Atty
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:10:20 -0500
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>> > The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for
> change
>> > and
>> > donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same door,
> with
>> > the
>> > same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>> >
>> > I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put one
> in
>> > mine.
>> >
>> > I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And
they
>> > didn't
>> > think that of us.
>> >
>> > Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with things
>> > like,
>> > "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin
> and
>> > witch
>> > suckers!"
>> >
>> > Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you
> support
>> > the
>> > NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>> >
>> > "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
>> > sighted
>> > one!
>> >
>> > So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar sitting
> on a
>> >
>> > table full of informational litature and products to sell and
> equates it
>> > to
>> > a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some
> way,
>> > has
>> > issues in themselves, blind or not.
>> >
>> > Atty
>> >
>> >
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> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:07:13 -0500
> From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] eat, prey, love (And Memoirs in general)
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> Bridgid and others,
>
> The very first piece I read by David Sedaris was an essay with the
> title ?Santaland Diaries.? I loved it, and I think I have read most
> of his memoirs and collections of essays since that time. Last
> Christmas, an actor performed a monologue of ?Santaland Diaries? at a
> local Iowa City theater, which was fantastic.
>
> I read the book and saw the movie ?Julie/Julia.? I, too, thought the
> book was better, which is usually the case. But, as already said, I
> liked the movie better than the book in the case of ?Eat, Pray, Love,?
> which surprised me. Perhaps my expectations of the book were too
> high, since it was said to be ?hilarious? in some reviews. Also, I
> want honest narrators, and I thought Gilbert left out a big chunk of
> information. (I?ll wait until you read the book to discuss this.)
>
> I like Dillard?s voice, but I only can take her for a certain amount
> of time. There are so many memoirists and nonfiction writers out
> there, and I am trying to get through as many as I can. In other
> words, I won?t go out of my way to find her most recent work, even
> though I do like her writing.
>
> Right now, I am working on what is supposed to be a "humorous" memoir,
> and I have been experimenting with various structures and styles. I
> have included humor in my essays before, but I am having a hard time
> continuously using that voice. While my goal in writing in the past
> has been to have my audience crying one minute and laughing the next,
> I don?t want many tears while people are reading this book. One of my
> sisters started writing poetry, mostly sonnets, a few years ago and
> has won several contests, including a trip to study poetry writing in
> Ireland with Irish poets. (She is a classical musician and says that
> she writes based on the meter of music.) Her first book-length
> collection of poems will be published next year. She wrote one poem
> about me that was supposed to be humorous, but the audiences at public
> readings didn?t laugh, she thinks because of the topic of blindness.
> (I read the poem and thought it was funny as could be.) That is my
> fear. Can the general public laugh about experiences related to
> disabilities? What does it take to make people realize that they can
> laugh "with" us?
>
> Yes, I know John Price but not well. We were in the MFA Nonfiction
> Writing Program at the same time, though I don?t think we had any
> classes together. As I recall, we both were at some of the ?attic
> readings? together in the mid 90s, or at least I think he attended
> some. (We had readings in one student?s attic/office once a month to
> share our work.) I?ve read a few of his essays, but I haven?t read
> any of his books.
>
> Also, from the other message, I live in Iowa now, but I wasn?t living
> here from 2004 to 2008. (During that time, I lived in San Francisco
> for two years and in Alexandria, Virginia, just outside of Washington,
> D.C. for two years.) I know most people in the Iowa NFB. I served on
> the state board before I left and was voted back on when I returned.
> In fact, I?m pretty sure I met your husband Ross at some point, I
> think when he was a student at Iowa. (Did he go to Iowa?) Also,
> didn?t he work as a transition counselor for IDB for a summer or so?
> (I didn?t think about the name Pollpeter until you mentioned Ross. He
> wasn?t married back then.)
>
> Anyway, sorry for rambling.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/22/10, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Priscilla,
>>
>> First, thank god 'cause I was sick of that topic too! *smile*
>>
>> I just downloaded the book from NLS, but have not read it yet. It is
>> not something I naturally gravitate towards, but I am open since at
> the
>> very least I can learn something about structure and so forth and so
> on.
>>
>> I like non-fiction that thinks outside the box and experiments with
>> style and form. I try to do this with my own writing. It is
>> interesting to me how some are so confined to their own definition of
>> non-fiction and refuse to open their minds even a crack. I think
>> non-fiction encompasses a wide variety of styles including
>> non-traditional forms.
>>
>> I recently read a few things by David Sedaris which I really enjoyed.
>> He is not for everyone, but I like his style. Another food based book
>> that I found fun was Julie/Julia: My Year of Cooking Dangerously.
>> Oddly enough, they changed the movie from the book which I find
>> interesting as it is non-fiction. I enjoyed the movie, but the book
> has
>> a much more sardonic tone which I appreciate and enjoy! Another book
>> off the top of my head actually was written by a prof of mine, Man
>> Killed by Pheasant. A good read and if you are into conservation, you
>> will enjoy this. Actually, do you know Dr. Price, Priscilla?
>>
>> I like Annie Dillard's voice. I don't like everything by her, but she
>> has such a unique style and voice. Very introspective and spiritual.
>> Again, not a writer for everyone, but great nonetheless.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
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>> 1. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>> 2. "Eat, Pray, Love" (Priscilla McKinley)
>> 3. Re: "Eat, Pray, Love" (cheryl echevarria)
>> 4. Re: "Eat, Pray, Love" (Priscilla McKinley)
>> 5. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
>> 6. question about philosophy (Bridgit Pollpeter)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:39:42 -0500
>> From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
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>> Bridgit,
>>
>> I think it's great that your chapter has a chance to speak with all
>> those who drop money in your jar. Like I said, if there was a vote in
>> our chapter, I would go with the majority and have no problems with
>> having a jar on the table, even though I don't agree that a jar is
the
>> best way to get donations. But then again, no one in my chapter has
>> ever suggested having a jar or other container for donations.
>>
>> Last month, our chapter had a garage sale to raise money. We didn't
>> have a jar on the table, but we did receive donations. People came up
>> to our table and said they wanted to make donations or would tell us
>> to keep the change, which gave us the chance to talk about the NFB
and
>> what we do. Would a jar on the table have made a difference in the
>> number of donations we received? I don't know, and I don't really
>> care, since we made a lot from the sale. (By the way, I don't
>> recommend garage sales for fundraisers, unless you have enough people
>> to work, especially when you have the sale on the hottest and most
>> humid day of the summer!)
>>
>> Again, I have an opinion on the topic, but so does everyone else.
>> Speaking of which, I'm going to start a new topic in another message
>> so we can get off of this one.
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/10, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Priscilla,
>>>
>>> Yes, begging and simply asking for a donation without explaining why
>> or
>>> who it is for is not only (in my opinion) against Federation
>> philosophy,
>>> but unethical in general. Our chapter, however, has never (in my
>>> history in any case) done this. Though we may have a large plastic
>>> donation jar to place money in during events and activities, we
never
>>> just have a jar alone, and we never, never, never allow passers-bys
> to
>>> donate without engaging them in conversation.
>>>
>>> Every event my chapter does is established as an outreach
opportunity
>>> which means we always have NFB brochures and we introduce ourselves
>> and
>>> our organization, explaining our purpose. We firmly believe that our
>>> actions more than anything are what help change perceptions. This
> was
>>> my original point, that some of us place a focus on something simple
>> and
>>> minor like the vessel chosen to store money, saying this some how
> over
>>> shadows the fact that blind people are accepting and handling all
>> money
>>> as well as interacting with people and making a point to explain the
>>> Federation. One of us always handles the money, we do not just allow
>>> people to "drop" money in, plus we always have a product we are
>> selling
>>> as opposed to just taking donations.
>>>
>>> So I still fail to see anything wrong with this. Many have pointed
>> out
>>> that a donation button on our websites is no different than a jar
for
>>> donations. The old beggar image brings up pictures of down and out
>>> people standing on literal street corners asking or begging for
money
>> as
>>> people walk by with no rhyme or reason. When chapters, like mine,
>>> organize an established event where our main objective is to educate
>> and
>>> inform by handing out information and speaking directly with people,
> I
>>> fail to see the similarities.
>>>
>>> Trust me, I abhor the negative perceptions that still exist, but if
I
>>> try to prove a point to every person I meet every day, I will just
> end
>>> up overwhelmed and frustrated. Actually, we are the ones who
> remember
>>> the "begger image" more than anyone as it is a part of our past.
> Many
>>> people I speak with do not even realize this. They do not make the
>>> connection. I am one who often looks for the negative attitudes, but
>> by
>>> constantly doing this, we risk having a bad attitude ourselves. Not
>>> everyone has negative ideas about the blind, and many do not think
>> that
>>> deeply about something like a jar. If we (the blind) are confident,
>>> capable and gracious, we have a better chance to leave a lasting
>> image.
>>> Not to say that we still don't have battles to win, but, as the old
>>> adage goes, you catch more flies with honey. I hate this clich?, but
>> it
>>> often proves to be true.
>>>
>>> So I wish to defend my chapter by saying that we do not condone
>> placing
>>> a jar or cup on a table, allow people to put money in and just
>> passively
>>> sit there. One of us always handles the money, which means we accept
>> it
>>> as it is offered as well as making change if necessary, and we
always
>>> have a product like candy bars to sell. If people choose to donate,
>> but
>>> do not want our product, should we decline? We also always hand out
>>> information along with speaking to all who approach our table. If
>> this
>>> is bad philosophy then I guess we should be excommunicated.
>>>
>>> I also wish to say that at the end of the day we have to live with
>>> ourselves and realize no matter what we do, inevitably we can not
>> change
>>> everyone's minds. We can do our best and live up to our full
>> potential
>>> as individuals and groups, but if people choose to believe their own
>>> concept of reality, well that is on them. To some, all they will
> ever
>>> see is a cane and draw their own medieval conclusions. Yes we must
>> make
>>> sure we present the image we believe ourselves capable of, but how
>> many
>>> of us have done this and still deal with those who think we can't do
>>> anything? Most of us I am sure. Our actions speak louder than
> words,
>>> but some will always only hear what they want. At the end of the
> day,
>> I
>>> have to be comfortable with who I am as a person. We always say that
>> we
>>> are people, just like everyone else, we just happen to be blind. Yet
>> we
>>> place distinctions on ourselves by saying we have to prove something
>> as
>>> a blind person. What happened to just being a person?
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
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>>> 1. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>>> 2. Re: question about philosophy (Judith Bron)
>>> 3. social networking and youth slam (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>>> 4. Re: social networking and youth slam (cheryl echevarria)
>>> 5. Re: social networking and youth slam (Peter Donahue)
>>> 6. Re: question about philosophy (Joe Orozco)
>>> 7. Re: social networking and youth slam (Joe Orozco)
>>> 8. Re: question about philosophy (Donna Hill)
>>> 9. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
>>> 10. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>>> 11. Re: question about philosophy (The Crowd)
>>>
>>>
>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:18:22 -0500
>>> From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> Message-ID:
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>>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>
>>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> cue
>>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> when
>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>>
>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> many
>>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
> is
>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>
>>>> Atty
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:03:05 -0400
>>> From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>>>
>>> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
majority
>> or
>>> to
>>> rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life is
> not
>> a
>>>
>>> game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have guessed that
>>> blind
>>> could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over the world use a
>> cup,
>>>
>>> charity box or some other kind of vessel to collect for their
>>> organizations,
>>> the needy and the otherwise disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel
> a
>>> myth
>>> or are you going out of your way to prove that every negative
>> associated
>>>
>>> with blindness has been successful in portraying the blind since
>>> forever?
>>> The guy standing on the street during holiday time is collecting
> money
>>> using
>>> a large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to
> grow
>>> up
>>> and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Priscilla McKinley" <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>
>>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>
>>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> cue
>>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> when
>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>>
>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> many
>>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
> is
>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>
>>>> Atty
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:48 -0500
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP407C91BF2CE029EB8B1FBDC49F0 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Peter and others,
>>>
>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> can
>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> phones
>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
>> is
>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>
>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
> I
>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> setting
>> a
>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them
>> to
>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> changed
>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>
>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> manner
>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:05:02 -0400
>>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> Message-ID: <BAY110-DS689D8C5F44A944FAC81ECA19F0 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> um the NFB had to sign up to be part of this I think they would know
>> if
>>> this
>>> is accessible or not since Dr. Maurer did announce it on the Monthly
>>> Presidential Release and that if he could do it anybody could do it.
>>>
>>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>>
>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>> Independent Travel Consultant
>>> C10-10646
>>>
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>>>
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>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>>> CST-1018299-10
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and
>> Travel
>>> Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 PM
>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>
>>>
>>>> Peter and others,
>>>>
>>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
> accessibility
>>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
> voting,
>>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
>> can
>>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
> ourselves
>>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
> issues.
>>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
on.
>>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
>> phones
>>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
> that
>>> is
>>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>>
>>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
complications,
>> I
>>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
> with
>>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
>> setting
>>> a
>>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
> never
>>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
> people
>>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
> them
>>> to
>>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
>> changed
>>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>>
>>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
>> manner
>>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>>> raised,
>>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>>> society
>>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
> confidence
>>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:11:51 -0500
>>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> Message-ID: <001701cb409b$8cc76f20$4001a8c0 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
>> ourselves
>>>
>>> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
develop
>>> the
>>> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car independently we
>>> should
>>> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services to
>> serve
>>> as
>>> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made accessible
>> to
>>> all.
>>> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>>> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter and others,
>>>
>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> can
>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> phones
>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
>> is
>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>
>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
> I
>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> setting
>> a
>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them
>> to
>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> changed
>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>
>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> manner
>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Writers Division web site:
>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>
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>>> global.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:49:34 -0400
>>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> Message-ID: <94B68AE810DF4C029D6F3DED7019AE2F at Rufus>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
>>> cup, I
>>> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>>> brochures
>>> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>>> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>>> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
>>> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
>> the
>>> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
>> public
>>> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
>>> attract
>>> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
>>> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
>> contrary,
>>> one
>>> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
>> among
>>> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>>> group?
>>> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
> presence
>>> or
>>> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
>>> about
>>> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>>> opinion
>>> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
>> whether
>>> the
>>> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
>>> group
>>> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
>> strategy
>>> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
>> agencies
>>> not
>>> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care
of
>>> foster
>>> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
>>> people
>>> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>>> sought.
>>> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>>> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
> exuding
>>> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
>>> what is
>>> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
and
>>> arduous road to follow.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>
>>> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> cue
>>> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> when
>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>>
>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> many
>>> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
> is
>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>
>>>> Atty
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:02:18 -0400
>>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> Message-ID: <659A73BDED1248F1B6A150EBB34828E3 at Rufus>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> This is my issue with web accessibility. I don't know that everyone
>>> will
>>> ever be able to agree on what it means to be accessible, because
> there
>>> are
>>> varying levels of computer skills and screen reader features. So far
>> I
>>> must
>>> say you are the only person I've seen complain about the
> accessibility
>>> of
>>> the Pepsi Challenge project, which does not mean your complaint is
>>> irrelevant. It means there must surely be others who are
> experiencing
>>> similar problems, but I have not yet heard a valid reason for why
the
>>> CAPTCHA feature is posing such a problem. There are two services
> that
>>> help
>>> blind users translate the CAPTCHA codes. Even deaf and blind users
>> can
>>> have
>>> the text transmitted without bothering with the audio. My point here
>> is
>>> not
>>> to turn your concerns away. They are valid, but technology is
>> changing.
>>> To
>>> me it sounds as though you are reluctant to change with it, and in
> the
>>> meantime should we turn away from a free means of earning $250,000
>> just
>>> because we want to prove a point? If we don't take advantage of this
>>> project while it lasts, someone else will, and would you actually
>> argue
>>> that
>>> those other projects are more important than the future potential of
>> our
>>> math and science enthusiasts? These are, after all, the people on
>> whom
>>> we
>>> are relying to build that there car for blind folk. For every minute
>>> you
>>> spent writing your flurry of posts objecting the Pepsi project, you
>>> could
>>> have been spending the time communicating with Pepsi. You're the web
>>> development guy who could have expertly conveyed to them what is
>> needed.
>>> I'm having difficulty feeling empathetic with you on this one.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:12 PM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
>>> ourselves
>>> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
>>> develop the
>>> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car
>>> independently we should
>>> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services
>>> to serve as
>>> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
>>> accessible to all.
>>> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>>> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter and others,
>>>
>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> can
>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> phones
>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
>> is
>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>
>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
> I
>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> setting
>> a
>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them
>> to
>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> changed
>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>
>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> manner
>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:44:06 -0400
>>> From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> Message-ID: <4C6EF726.5000207 at epix.net>
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>>> Amen, Judith.
>>>
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>>>
>>> On 8/20/2010 2:03 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>>>> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
> majority
>>>> or to rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth?
> Life
>>>> is not a game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have
>>>> guessed that blind could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all
>> over
>>>
>>>> the world use a cup, charity box or some other kind of vessel to
>>>> collect for their organizations, the needy and the otherwise
>>>> disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a myth or are you going out
>>>> of your way to prove that every negative associated with blindness
>> has
>>>
>>>> been successful in portraying the blind since forever? The guy
>>>> standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money
using
>> a
>>>
>>>> large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
>>>> up and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priscilla McKinley"
>>>> <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Listers,
>>>>
>>>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in
which
>>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>>
>>>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
it
>>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
> program,
>>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
> offered
>>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
>> cue
>>>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response
"cup."
>>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
> and
>>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
>> when
>>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>>>
>>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
> cups
>>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
>> many
>>>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
>> is
>>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>>
>>>> Priscilla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>>
>>>>> Atty
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:45:57 -0400
>>> From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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>>> Well put, Bridget!
>>> Donna
>>>
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>>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>>> www.padnfb.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/2010 2:52 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>>>> Peter and others,
>>>>
>>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
> accessibility
>>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
> voting,
>>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
>> can
>>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
> ourselves
>>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
> issues.
>>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
on.
>>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
>> phones
>>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
> that
>>> is
>>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>>
>>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
complications,
>> I
>>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
> with
>>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
>> setting
>>> a
>>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
> never
>>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
> people
>>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
> them
>>> to
>>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
>> changed
>>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>>
>>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
>> manner
>>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>>> raised,
>>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>>> society
>>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
> confidence
>>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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>>>>
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>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:00:04 -0500
>>> From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>>>
>>> I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. *smile* As a
>>> person who has had severl fundraisers over the years, including
>>> selling calendars, hot dogs, candy bars, shot glasses, Capitol Steps
>>> tickets, to name just a few, we never had a container sitting on the
>>> table where people could drop money. We would accept donations that
>>> were given to us but that meant the people had to interact in some
>>> way. They couldn't just walk by and ignore us, dropping money in a
>>> jar. They had to talk to us, to hand us the money. Similarly,
> people
>>> who donate online will be at our website and see positive images.
>>> Plus, they have to make a conscious decision to go there. (If
>>> dropping money in a container, some people might not even remember
>>> the name of the group to which they gave money.)
>>>
>>> When I was living on the East Coast and was a member of a chapter
>>> there, we discussed this topic in great detail. We talked about
> blind
>>> beggers in the past and the idea of the tin cup. People would walk
>>> by, dig into their pockets, and put change in the cup, pitying the
>>> blind. As a chapter, we decided to empty our pockets for other
>>> organizations instead. The chapter president gave everyone a plastic
>>> container and told us to drop our change in their over the next
month
>>> and bring the containers back to the next meeting, which was in
>>> November. After receiving the containers and putting it in the
>>> account, the chapter presented the money in check form for an
>>> organization that was providing holiday meals and gifts for
> struggling
>>> families. Instead of taking, we were giving.
>>>
>>> While I'm no expert on this topic, I know how I viewed blindness
>>> before I lost my sight, and I see the same reactions from others
> today
>>> now that I am blind. There are a lot of organizational things that I
>>> don't agree with, but I would agree with Dr. Jernigan that that
image
>>> needs to be changed. Even today, I don't think it has. Like someone
>>> said on here, the car that the blind can drive is supposed to
>>> represent the positives, the future. Well, I believe the cup or
>>> container just sitting there symbolizes the past, the negatives. But
>>> again, that is just one opinion out of many. Perhaps someone should
>>> write a letter to Doctor Maurer so he can read it at one of his
>>> leadership seminars. I'm sure there would be lots of opinions, as
>>> there are for almost every letter read at the seminars.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a
donation
>>> cup, I
>>>> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>>> brochures
>>>> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>>>> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>>>> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
>>>> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
>>> the
>>>> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
>>> public
>>>> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event
would
>>> attract
>>>> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
>>>> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
>>> contrary, one
>>>> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
>>> among
>>>> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>>> group?
>>>> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
>> presence
>>> or
>>>> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
>>> about
>>>> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>>> opinion
>>>> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
>>> whether the
>>>> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
>>> group
>>>> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
>>> strategy
>>>> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
>>> agencies not
>>>> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care
> of
>>> foster
>>>> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of
> these
>>> people
>>>> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>>> sought.
>>>> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>>>> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
>> exuding
>>>> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition
of
>>> what is
>>>> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
> and
>>>> arduous road to follow.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
Ewing
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>>
>>>> Listers,
>>>>
>>>> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>>> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in
which
>>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>>
>>>> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
it
>>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>>> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
> program,
>>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
> offered
>>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
>> cue
>>>> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response
"cup."
>>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
> and
>>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
>> when
>>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>>>
>>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
>>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
> cups
>>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
>> many
>>>> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
>> is
>>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>>
>>>> Priscilla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>>
>>>>> Atty
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:10:20 -0500
>>> From: "The Crowd" <the_crowd at cox.net>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> Message-ID: <949BF339192447E0AD114389CC4F7E63 at JazminRainPC>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
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>>>
>>> The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for
change
>>> and
>>> donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same door,
>> with
>>> the
>>> same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>>>
>>> I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put one
> in
>>> mine.
>>>
>>> I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And they
>>> didn't
>>> think that of us.
>>>
>>> Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with things
>>> like,
>>> "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin
and
>>> witch
>>> suckers!"
>>>
>>> Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you
>> support
>>> the
>>> NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>>>
>>> "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
>>> sighted
>>> one!
>>>
>>> So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar sitting
> on
>> a
>>>
>>> table full of informational litature and products to sell and
equates
>> it
>>> to
>>> a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some
way,
>>> has
>>> issues in themselves, blind or not.
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:53:48 -0500
>> From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [stylist] "Eat, Pray, Love"
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTinbRaJDTW48=Xwt=ADRaAaprS3dCooswz9qGTJ6 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> Did anyone read the memoir "Eat, Pray, Love" by Elizabeth Gilbert and
>> then see the movie starring Julia Roberts? Did you like the book?
>> What did you think of the movie version? Did you think the movie
>> accurately represented Gilbert's struggles in her memoir? So many
>> times, people say the books are better than the movies. In this case,
>> I would say that the movie was better than the book. According to
>> some reviews, the book was supposed to be hilarious. I don't agree.
>> Anyone?
>>
>> Also, if you read the book, what impressed you about the style of her
>> memoir? Did you like the linear structure? For those who are memoir
>> writers, what structures have you used that work well? For anyone,
>> what do you look for when reading memoirs besides the obvious, like
>> changes in the main characters/authors?
>>
>> Finally, what memoirs have you read that impressed you? Why?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:48:18 -0400
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] "Eat, Pray, Love"
>> Message-ID: <bay110-ds1418911825A6770A1D5E7EA1810 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> yes I read the book and saw the movie. I loved the book, there is
> always
>>
>> things left out of the Movie but you get the actual feelings of what
> the
>>
>> writer Elizabeth Gilbert went through. I myself as being into travel
>> would
>> love to go to all of the exotic places, and yes she had the money to
> do
>> this
>> as well. But I put this emphasis in my business when I try and want
to
>> get
>> blind people to travel.
>>
>> Even though we cannot see we can have our own eat, smell, touch, hear
>> and
>> enjoy things in life. Life shouldn't be taken for granted, up until
>> December 10. 2001 I was a sighted almost healthy person dealing with
>> diabetes. Until that date and found myself legally blind, now almost
>> total
>> with only 15 percent vision in one eye. And was on Dialysis for 4 1/2
>> Years. Tomorrow I will be celebrating the 5th Anniversary of my
> Kidney
>> Transplant, which we in the family of transplant recipients a
>> re-birthday
>> and this year, I will be celebrating it without 2 of those special
>> people in
>> my family.
>>
>> My best friend Steven Carroll, who donated his kidney to me will be
> gone
>> 8
>> month this past August 20th, he was going to be 44 years old in May,
> he
>> was
>> May 12th and I was April 13th our birthdays. He past away in January
>> from
>> a fast moving cancer. And my dear friend from the NFB, who geared me
>> towards my way of living in the blind community Mr. Ed Bryant.
>>
>> So enjoy you own eat, pray, love. And enjoy everyday of your life.
>> Because
>> you may not be able to do it tomorrow and there is so much out there
> to
>> enjoy.
>>
>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>> Independent Travel Consultant
>> C10-10646
>>
>> http://Echevarriatravel.com
>> 1-866-580-5574
>> skype: angeldn3
>>
>> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>> CST-1018299-10
>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and
> Travel
>> Inc.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Priscilla McKinley" <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:53 PM
>> Subject: [stylist] "Eat, Pray, Love"
>>
>>
>>> Did anyone read the memoir "Eat, Pray, Love" by Elizabeth Gilbert
and
>>> then see the movie starring Julia Roberts? Did you like the book?
>>> What did you think of the movie version? Did you think the movie
>>> accurately represented Gilbert's struggles in her memoir? So many
>>> times, people say the books are better than the movies. In this
> case,
>>> I would say that the movie was better than the book. According to
>>> some reviews, the book was supposed to be hilarious. I don't agree.
>>> Anyone?
>>>
>>> Also, if you read the book, what impressed you about the style of
her
>>> memoir? Did you like the linear structure? For those who are memoir
>>> writers, what structures have you used that work well? For anyone,
>>> what do you look for when reading memoirs besides the obvious, like
>>> changes in the main characters/authors?
>>>
>>> Finally, what memoirs have you read that impressed you? Why?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:32:13 -0500
>> From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] "Eat, Pray, Love"
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTimTyRomG+26MzqGPLtyDmWE-V04BiW7k_vb3D_D at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Cheryl,
>>
>> So what did you like about the book? In what ways could you connect
>> to the author? What made you keep reading? Like I said, I liked the
>> movie more than the book, partly because I thought Gilbert went on a
>> bit too long in a lot of places in the book. As the saying goes,
>> "Show, don't tell." I felt as though she told her audience rather
>> than showed her audience what happened and how she felt.
>>
>> As far as the diabetes, I can relate very much to your story. I have
>> had Type 1 diabetes since I was a kid. I lost my sight and my kidneys
>> failed the day my son was born due to extremely high blood pressure
>> from pre-eclampsia. I spent a year on dialysis and had six eye
>> operations during that time, all failures, causing total blindness.
>> Since then, I've had two kidney transplants, three heart attacks, two
>> amputations, two femoral bypasses, and a mild stroke. But I love my
>> life and wouldn't change it for anything. Like you, I live every day
>> as though there might not be a tomorrow.
>>
>> Congratulations on the five-year kidney transplant. I had a huge
>> party for the five-year anniversary of my first transplant, and my
>> brother, the donor, drove half way across the country to attend. He
>> teaches computer science at Michigan State and wasn't used to my
>> literary crowd, mostly friends from the writing program at the
>> University of Iowa. They asked him questions like, "So which kidney
>> did you give her?" He wasn't used to people being so open about
>> personal issues, to real-life confessions. *smile*
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/22/10, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> yes I read the book and saw the movie. I loved the book, there is
>> always
>>> things left out of the Movie but you get the actual feelings of what
>> the
>>> writer Elizabeth Gilbert went through. I myself as being into travel
>> would
>>> love to go to all of the exotic places, and yes she had the money to
>> do this
>>> as well. But I put this emphasis in my business when I try and want
> to
>> get
>>> blind people to travel.
>>>
>>> Even though we cannot see we can have our own eat, smell, touch,
hear
>> and
>>> enjoy things in life. Life shouldn't be taken for granted, up until
>>> December 10. 2001 I was a sighted almost healthy person dealing with
>>> diabetes. Until that date and found myself legally blind, now almost
>> total
>>> with only 15 percent vision in one eye. And was on Dialysis for 4
> 1/2
>>> Years. Tomorrow I will be celebrating the 5th Anniversary of my
>> Kidney
>>> Transplant, which we in the family of transplant recipients a
>> re-birthday
>>> and this year, I will be celebrating it without 2 of those special
>> people in
>>> my family.
>>>
>>> My best friend Steven Carroll, who donated his kidney to me will be
>> gone 8
>>> month this past August 20th, he was going to be 44 years old in May,
>> he was
>>> May 12th and I was April 13th our birthdays. He past away in
> January
>> from
>>> a fast moving cancer. And my dear friend from the NFB, who geared me
>>> towards my way of living in the blind community Mr. Ed Bryant.
>>>
>>> So enjoy you own eat, pray, love. And enjoy everyday of your life.
>> Because
>>> you may not be able to do it tomorrow and there is so much out there
>> to
>>> enjoy.
>>>
>>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>>
>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>> Independent Travel Consultant
>>> C10-10646
>>>
>>> http://Echevarriatravel.com
>>> 1-866-580-5574
>>> skype: angeldn3
>>>
>>> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>> CST-1018299-10
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and
>> Travel Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Priscilla McKinley" <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:53 PM
>>> Subject: [stylist] "Eat, Pray, Love"
>>>
>>>
>>>> Did anyone read the memoir "Eat, Pray, Love" by Elizabeth Gilbert
> and
>>>> then see the movie starring Julia Roberts? Did you like the book?
>>>> What did you think of the movie version? Did you think the movie
>>>> accurately represented Gilbert's struggles in her memoir? So many
>>>> times, people say the books are better than the movies. In this
>> case,
>>>> I would say that the movie was better than the book. According to
>>>> some reviews, the book was supposed to be hilarious. I don't agree.
>>>> Anyone?
>>>>
>>>> Also, if you read the book, what impressed you about the style of
> her
>>>> memoir? Did you like the linear structure? For those who are
> memoir
>>>> writers, what structures have you used that work well? For anyone,
>>>> what do you look for when reading memoirs besides the obvious, like
>>>> changes in the main characters/authors?
>>>>
>>>> Finally, what memoirs have you read that impressed you? Why?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Priscilla
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:47:29 -0400
>> From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> Message-ID: <4C71A901.6080907 at epix.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Peter,
>> I'm sorry. I've held my tongue long enough. You say you don't belong
> to
>> these social networks and make it sound like there's some kind of
> "rule"
>>
>> against it, but you still have a Linked In account and are listed as
> one
>>
>> of my connections.
>> Donna
>>
>> Read Donna's articles on
>> Suite 101:
>> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
>> Ezine Articles:
>> http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
>> American Chronicle:
>> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>>
>> Connect with Donna on
>> Twitter:
>> www.twitter.com/dewhill
>> LinkedIn:
>> www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
>> FaceBook:
>> www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
>>
>> Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
>> cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>> Apple I-Tunes
>>
>
phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=25924437
>> 4
>>
>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>> www.padnfb.org
>>
>>
>> On 8/22/2010 12:41 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>> Hello Cheryl and everyone,
>>>
>>> If we're going to encourage blind people to use the Internet and
>> all it
>>> offers we should not engage in activities that could compromise our
>> position
>>> on Internet accessibility. The only social network Mary and I join
is
>> one we
>>> build ourselves; one that is under the control of those who
> understand
>> the
>>> importance of accessibility and who ensure that all can use it
>>> independently.
>>>
>>> The Pepsi Challenge wasn't even discussed at our chapter meeting
>>> yesterday. Other members and blind people we've talked to about this
>> whole
>>> issue have chosen not to participate for many of the same reasons.
If
>> there
>>> were ways to vote without having to join a social network
> particularly
>> for
>>> that purpose, having to mess with captchas, etc more of us would
have
>>> participated. Our chapter president didn't even mention this
campaign
>> at
>>> yesterday's meeting and yours truly kept his mouth shut . And
>> especially so
>>> as we had a large number of guests present several of which became
>> members
>>> when the meeting was over. All the best.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "cheryl echevarria"<cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:20 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>
>>>
>>> why is everyone so negative, aren't we trying to fight the
> sterotypes,
>> and
>>> encourage blind to use the website and social networking and we do
>> have
>>> accessible phone we can use as well, that allow you to go online.
>>>
>>> goodness let's all feel sorry for ourselves and not help our
>> organization
>>> out. boo hoo.
>>>
>>> Geez louise. Enough already.
>>>
>>> And these are leaders in the NFB that are saying this stuff, way to
>> go. How
>>> embarrassing!
>>>
>>> I am an Officer and I try to encourage others on how to do things, I
>> was
>>> just helping one of my chapter members to do it and she did it.
>>>
>>> If we can help youth slam, how do we suppose to encourage others to
> do
>> it.
>>>
>>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>>
>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>> Independent Travel Consultant
>>> C10-10646
>>>
>>> http://Echevarriatravel.com
>>> 1-866-580-5574
>>> skype: angeldn3
>>>
>>> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>> CST-1018299-10
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and
>> Travel Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Donna Hill"<penatwork at epix.net>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:58 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Bridget,
>>>> I agree with you about isolating ourselves. The whole separate but
>> equal
>>>> thing about setting up accessible social networking scares the
>> daylights
>>>> out of me. It plays right into the hands of the frightened sighted
>>>> public who would rather not have to deal with us. It also keeps us
>> from
>>>> interacting in the same arena which our sighted peers have. In
> short,
>>>> the site might be more accessible to us, but it doesn't make the
>> world
>>>> more accessible to us.
>>>> Donna
>>>>
>>>> Read Donna's articles on
>>>> Suite 101:
>>>> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
>>>> Ezine Articles:
>>>> http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
>>>> American Chronicle:
>>>> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>>>>
>>>> Connect with Donna on
>>>> Twitter:
>>>> www.twitter.com/dewhill
>>>> LinkedIn:
>>>> www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
>>>> FaceBook:
>>>> www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
>>>>
>>>> Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
>>>> cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>>>> Apple I-Tunes
>>>>
>>
>
phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=25924437
>> 4
>>>>
>>>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>>>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>>>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>>>> www.padnfb.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/21/2010 11:01 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes we need to ensure accessibility happens so that everyone has
>> equal
>>>>> access to whatever, but if we constantly set up things, whether
> they
>> be
>>>>> websites or other avenues, specifically for a certain group,
aren't
>> we
>>>>> isolating ourselves from society? People must realize that
> products
>>>>> should be accessible for any user, and if a group or company
> refuses
>> to
>>>>> do so, then it makes sense to establish our own product, but must
> we
>>>>> always create our own products, or can we not continue to work
with
>>>>> existing companies and products to find solutions? I will use
>> Facebook
>>>>> for an example since this seems to be the name that keeps coming
up
>> in
>>>>> the argument, but so many blind people use Facebook with little or
>> no
>>>>> problems. Personally I am no fan of Facebook, but where is the
> real
>>>>> issue? The NFB and other groups seem to be attempting to address
>> the
>>>>> issue as much as they can. Many, many products and websites are
> now
>>>>> usable by the blind and we didn't have to spend money to develop
> the
>>>>> same thing. I call that smart business! *smile*
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, there are other disabilities beyond blindness that often
>> require
>>>>> accommodations and modifications. Should all cars be drivable off
>> theh
>>>>> lot by Little People? Should Spanish and ASL be required for all
>> public
>>>>> officials? Should every building be created so that even those
> with
>>>>> mobility issues can access it? Of course, but the world does not
>> always
>>>>> think from this perspective. We, the disabled, must ensure our own
>>>>> accessibility, but we don't have to always start from the ground
> up.
>> We
>>>>> can and should work with existing structures which then allow us
to
>> be a
>>>>> part of society and not isolating ourselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of stylist-request at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:00 PM
>>>>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: stylist Digest, Vol 76, Issue 34
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>>>>> 2. Re: question about philosophy (Judith Bron)
>>>>> 3. social networking and youth slam (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>>>>> 4. Re: social networking and youth slam (cheryl echevarria)
>>>>> 5. Re: social networking and youth slam (Peter Donahue)
>>>>> 6. Re: question about philosophy (Joe Orozco)
>>>>> 7. Re: social networking and youth slam (Joe Orozco)
>>>>> 8. Re: question about philosophy (Donna Hill)
>>>>> 9. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
>>>>> 10. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>>>>> 11. Re: question about philosophy (The Crowd)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:18:22 -0500
>>>>> From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <AANLkTi=ibDnhFaeOSCbO1DGd9N2p5ne0a3ejeU1ZJe5i at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>>>>
>>>>> Listers,
>>>>>
>>>>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind,
including
>>>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>>>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in
> which
>>>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
> it
>>>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>>>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
>> program,
>>>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing
at
>>>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
>> offered
>>>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
>> cue
>>>>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response
> "cup."
>>>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
>> and
>>>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
>> when
>>>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>>>>
>>>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back
to
>>>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
>> cups
>>>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
>> many
>>>>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar,
which
>> is
>>>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>>>
>>>>> Priscilla
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Atty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>
>
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>>>>> ley%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:03:05 -0400
>>>>> From: Judith Bron<jbron at optonline.net>
>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>>> Message-ID:<004f01cb4091$f07adb10$3302a8c0 at dell5150>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=Windows-1252;
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
>> majority or
>>>>> to
>>>>> rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life is
>> not a
>>>>>
>>>>> game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have guessed
>> that
>>>>> blind
>>>>> could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over the world use a
>> cup,
>>>>>
>>>>> charity box or some other kind of vessel to collect for their
>>>>> organizations,
>>>>> the needy and the otherwise disadvantaged. Are you trying to
> dispel
>> a
>>>>> myth
>>>>> or are you going out of your way to prove that every negative
>> associated
>>>>>
>>>>> with blindness has been successful in portraying the blind since
>>>>> forever?
>>>>> The guy standing on the street during holiday time is collecting
>> money
>>>>> using
>>>>> a large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to
>> grow
>>>>> up
>>>>> and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Priscilla McKinley"<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Listers,
>>>>>
>>>>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind,
including
>>>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>>>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in
> which
>>>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
> it
>>>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>>>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
>> program,
>>>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing
at
>>>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
>> offered
>>>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
>> cue
>>>>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response
> "cup."
>>>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
>> and
>>>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
>> when
>>>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>>>>
>>>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back
to
>>>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
>> cups
>>>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
>> many
>>>>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar,
which
>> is
>>>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>>>
>>>>> Priscilla
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Atty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> stylist mailing list
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>>>>>
>>
>
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>>>>> ley%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>
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>>>>> ne.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:48 -0500
>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>>> Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP407C91BF2CE029EB8B1FBDC49F0 at phx.gbl>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter and others,
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
>> accessibility
>>>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of
Rights.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
>> voting,
>>>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
>> can
>>>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
>> ourselves
>>>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
>> issues.
>>>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
> on.
>>>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
> are
>>>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
>> phones
>>>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of
the
>>>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
>> that is
>>>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
> complications,
>> I
>>>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
>> with
>>>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
>> setting a
>>>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
>> never
>>>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
>> people
>>>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
>> them to
>>>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
>> changed
>>>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
>> manner
>>>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
>> confidence
>>>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:05:02 -0400
>>>>> From: "cheryl echevarria"<cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>>> Message-ID:<BAY110-DS689D8C5F44A944FAC81ECA19F0 at phx.gbl>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> um the NFB had to sign up to be part of this I think they would
> know
>> if
>>>>> this
>>>>> is accessible or not since Dr. Maurer did announce it on the
> Monthly
>>>>> Presidential Release and that if he could do it anybody could do
> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>> Independent Travel Consultant
>>>>> C10-10646
>>>>>
>>>>> http://Echevarriatravel.com
>>>>> 1-866-580-5574
>>>>> skype: angeldn3
>>>>>
>>>>> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>>>>> CST-1018299-10
>>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and
>> Travel
>>>>> Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter and others,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>>>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
>> accessibility
>>>>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of
> Rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>>>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
>> voting,
>>>>>> however, we are going through an established group and must
follow
>>>>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
>> can
>>>>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>>>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
>> ourselves
>>>>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
>> issues.
>>>>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
>> on.
>>>>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>>>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
>> are
>>>>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
>> phones
>>>>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of
> the
>>>>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
>> complications, I
>>>>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
>> with
>>>>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>>>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
>> setting
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
>> never
>>>>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
>> people
>>>>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
>> them
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
>> changed
>>>>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
>> manner
>>>>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> raised,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> society
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
>> confidence
>>>>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> stylist mailing list
>>>>>> stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> for
>>>>>> stylist:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>
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>>>>> 0hotmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:11:51 -0500
>>>>> From: "Peter Donahue"<pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>>> Message-ID:<001701cb409b$8cc76f20$4001a8c0 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
>>>>> ourselves
>>>>>
>>>>> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
>> develop
>>>>> the
>>>>> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car independently
we
>>>>> should
>>>>> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services to
>> serve
>>>>> as
>>>>> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
> accessible
>> to
>>>>> all.
>>>>> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>>>>> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter and others,
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
>> accessibility
>>>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of
Rights.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
>> voting,
>>>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
>> can
>>>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
>> ourselves
>>>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
>> issues.
>>>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
> on.
>>>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
> are
>>>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
>> phones
>>>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of
the
>>>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
>> that is
>>>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
> complications,
>> I
>>>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
>> with
>>>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
>> setting a
>>>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
>> never
>>>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
>> people
>>>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
>> them to
>>>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
>> changed
>>>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
>> manner
>>>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
>> confidence
>>>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> stylist mailing list
>>>>> stylist at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> for
>>>>> stylist:
>>>>>
>>
>
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>>>>> global.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:49:34 -0400
>>>>> From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>>> Message-ID:<94B68AE810DF4C029D6F3DED7019AE2F at Rufus>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a
> donation
>>>>> cup, I
>>>>> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>>>>> brochures
>>>>> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>>>>> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>>>>> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern
Strums
>>>>> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space
> for
>> the
>>>>> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
>> public
>>>>> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event
> would
>>>>> attract
>>>>> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members.
> People
>>>>> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
>> contrary,
>>>>> one
>>>>> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
>> among
>>>>> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>>>>> group?
>>>>> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
>> presence
>>>>> or
>>>>> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also
literature
>>>>> about
>>>>> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>>>>> opinion
>>>>> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
>> whether
>>>>> the
>>>>> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction
the
>>>>> group
>>>>> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
>> strategy
>>>>> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
>> agencies
>>>>> not
>>>>> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care
>> of
>>>>> foster
>>>>> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of
>> these
>>>>> people
>>>>> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>>>>> sought.
>>>>> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>>>>> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
>> exuding
>>>>> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition
> of
>>>>> what is
>>>>> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
>> and
>>>>> arduous road to follow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>>> sleeves,
>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
> Ewing
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla
McKinley
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>>>
>>>>> Listers,
>>>>>
>>>>> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind,
including
>>>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>>>> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in
> which
>>>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>>>
>>>>> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
> it
>>>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>>>> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
>> program,
>>>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing
at
>>>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
>> offered
>>>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
>> cue
>>>>> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response
> "cup."
>>>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
>> and
>>>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
>> when
>>>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>>>>
>>>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back
to
>>>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
>> cups
>>>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
>> many
>>>>> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>>>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar,
which
>> is
>>>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>>>
>>>>> Priscilla
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Atty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> stylist mailing list
>>>>>> stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> for
>>>>>> stylist:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/priscil
>>>>> la.mckinley%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:02:18 -0400
>>>>> From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>>> Message-ID:<659A73BDED1248F1B6A150EBB34828E3 at Rufus>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is my issue with web accessibility. I don't know that
> everyone
>>>>> will
>>>>> ever be able to agree on what it means to be accessible, because
>> there
>>>>> are
>>>>> varying levels of computer skills and screen reader features. So
>> far I
>>>>> must
>>>>> say you are the only person I've seen complain about the
>> accessibility
>>>>> of
>>>>> the Pepsi Challenge project, which does not mean your complaint is
>>>>> irrelevant. It means there must surely be others who are
>> experiencing
>>>>> similar problems, but I have not yet heard a valid reason for why
>> the
>>>>> CAPTCHA feature is posing such a problem. There are two services
>> that
>>>>> help
>>>>> blind users translate the CAPTCHA codes. Even deaf and blind users
>> can
>>>>> have
>>>>> the text transmitted without bothering with the audio. My point
>> here is
>>>>> not
>>>>> to turn your concerns away. They are valid, but technology is
>> changing.
>>>>> To
>>>>> me it sounds as though you are reluctant to change with it, and in
>> the
>>>>> meantime should we turn away from a free means of earning $250,000
>> just
>>>>> because we want to prove a point? If we don't take advantage of
>> this
>>>>> project while it lasts, someone else will, and would you actually
>> argue
>>>>> that
>>>>> those other projects are more important than the future potential
> of
>> our
>>>>> math and science enthusiasts? These are, after all, the people on
>> whom
>>>>> we
>>>>> are relying to build that there car for blind folk. For every
>> minute
>>>>> you
>>>>> spent writing your flurry of posts objecting the Pepsi project,
you
>>>>> could
>>>>> have been spending the time communicating with Pepsi. You're the
>> web
>>>>> development guy who could have expertly conveyed to them what is
>> needed.
>>>>> I'm having difficulty feeling empathetic with you on this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>>> sleeves,
>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
> Ewing
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:12 PM
>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
>>>>> ourselves
>>>>> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
>>>>> develop the
>>>>> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car
>>>>> independently we should
>>>>> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services
>>>>> to serve as
>>>>> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
>>>>> accessible to all.
>>>>> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>>>>> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter and others,
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
>> accessibility
>>>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of
Rights.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
>> voting,
>>>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
>> can
>>>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
>> ourselves
>>>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
>> issues.
>>>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
> on.
>>>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
> are
>>>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
>> phones
>>>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of
the
>>>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
>> that is
>>>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
> complications,
>> I
>>>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
>> with
>>>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
>> setting a
>>>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
>> never
>>>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
>> people
>>>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
>> them to
>>>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
>> changed
>>>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
>> manner
>>>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
>> confidence
>>>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>
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>>>>> e1%40sbcglobal.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:44:06 -0400
>>>>> From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>>> Message-ID:<4C6EF726.5000207 at epix.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>> Amen, Judith.
>>>>>
>>>>> Read Donna's articles on
>>>>> Suite 101:
>>>>> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
>>>>> Ezine Articles:
>>>>> http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
>>>>> American Chronicle:
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>>>>>
>>>>> Connect with Donna on
>>>>> Twitter:
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dewhill
>>>>> LinkedIn:
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>>>>> FaceBook:
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>>>>>
>>>>> Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
>>>>> cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
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>>>>>
>>
>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>>>>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>>>>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>>>>> www.padnfb.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/20/2010 2:03 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
>> majority
>>>>>> or to rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth?
>> Life
>>>>>> is not a game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have
>>>>>> guessed that blind could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all
>> over
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> the world use a cup, charity box or some other kind of vessel to
>>>>>> collect for their organizations, the needy and the otherwise
>>>>>> disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a myth or are you going
>> out
>>>>>> of your way to prove that every negative associated with
blindness
>> has
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> been successful in portraying the blind since forever? The guy
>>>>>> standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money
>> using a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to
>> grow
>>>>>> up and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priscilla McKinley"
>>>>>> <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Listers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or
cup
>>>>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>>>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>>>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>>>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind,
> including
>>>>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>>>>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in
>> which
>>>>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>>>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
>> it
>>>>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public
and
>>>>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>>>>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless
blind
>>>>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
>> program,
>>>>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing
> at
>>>>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one
such
>>>>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
>> offered
>>>>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The
next
>> cue
>>>>>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response
>> "cup."
>>>>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
>> and
>>>>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
>> when
>>>>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back
> to
>>>>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>>>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
>> cups
>>>>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
>> many
>>>>>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>>>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar,
> which
>> is
>>>>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Priscilla
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Atty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
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>>>>> ley%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>>
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>>
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>>>>> ne.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 9
>>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:45:57 -0400
>>>>> From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>>> Message-ID:<4C6EF795.4050203 at epix.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>> Well put, Bridget!
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>
>>>>> Read Donna's articles on
>>>>> Suite 101:
>>>>> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
>>>>> Ezine Articles:
>>>>> http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
>>>>> American Chronicle:
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>>>>>
>>>>> Connect with Donna on
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>>>>>
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>>>>> 4
>>>>>
>>>>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>>>>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>>>>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>>>>> www.padnfb.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/20/2010 2:52 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter and others,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>>>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
>> accessibility
>>>>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of
> Rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>>>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
>> voting,
>>>>>> however, we are going through an established group and must
follow
>>>>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
>> can
>>>>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>>>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
>> ourselves
>>>>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
>> issues.
>>>>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
>> on.
>>>>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>>>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
>> are
>>>>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
>> phones
>>>>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of
> the
>>>>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
>> complications, I
>>>>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
>> with
>>>>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>>>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
>> setting
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
>> never
>>>>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
>> people
>>>>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
>> them
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
>> changed
>>>>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
>> manner
>>>>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> raised,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> society
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
>> confidence
>>>>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 10
>>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:00:04 -0500
>>>>> From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>>>
>>>>> I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. *smile* As a
>>>>> person who has had severl fundraisers over the years, including
>>>>> selling calendars, hot dogs, candy bars, shot glasses, Capitol
> Steps
>>>>> tickets, to name just a few, we never had a container sitting on
> the
>>>>> table where people could drop money. We would accept donations
> that
>>>>> were given to us but that meant the people had to interact in some
>>>>> way. They couldn't just walk by and ignore us, dropping money in a
>>>>> jar. They had to talk to us, to hand us the money. Similarly,
>> people
>>>>> who donate online will be at our website and see positive images.
>>>>> Plus, they have to make a conscious decision to go there. (If
>>>>> dropping money in a container, some people might not even remember
>>>>> the name of the group to which they gave money.)
>>>>>
>>>>> When I was living on the East Coast and was a member of a chapter
>>>>> there, we discussed this topic in great detail. We talked about
>> blind
>>>>> beggers in the past and the idea of the tin cup. People would walk
>>>>> by, dig into their pockets, and put change in the cup, pitying the
>>>>> blind. As a chapter, we decided to empty our pockets for other
>>>>> organizations instead. The chapter president gave everyone a
>> plastic
>>>>> container and told us to drop our change in their over the next
>> month
>>>>> and bring the containers back to the next meeting, which was in
>>>>> November. After receiving the containers and putting it in the
>>>>> account, the chapter presented the money in check form for an
>>>>> organization that was providing holiday meals and gifts for
>> struggling
>>>>> families. Instead of taking, we were giving.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I'm no expert on this topic, I know how I viewed blindness
>>>>> before I lost my sight, and I see the same reactions from others
>> today
>>>>> now that I am blind. There are a lot of organizational things that
>> I
>>>>> don't agree with, but I would agree with Dr. Jernigan that that
>> image
>>>>> needs to be changed. Even today, I don't think it has. Like
>> someone
>>>>> said on here, the car that the blind can drive is supposed to
>>>>> represent the positives, the future. Well, I believe the cup or
>>>>> container just sitting there symbolizes the past, the negatives.
>> But
>>>>> again, that is just one opinion out of many. Perhaps someone
> should
>>>>> write a letter to Doctor Maurer so he can read it at one of his
>>>>> leadership seminars. I'm sure there would be lots of opinions, as
>>>>> there are for almost every letter read at the seminars.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Priscilla
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/20/10, Joe Orozco<jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a
>> donation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> cup, I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> brochures
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>>>>>> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>>>>>> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern
> Strums
>>>>>> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space
>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> public
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event
>> would
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> attract
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members.
>> People
>>>>>> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> contrary, one
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> among
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the
> blind
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> group?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
>> presence
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also
> literature
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> about
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change
the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> opinion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> whether the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction
> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> group
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> strategy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> agencies not
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the
care
>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> foster
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of
>> these
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> people
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations
are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> sought.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>>>>>> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
>> exuding
>>>>>> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition
>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> what is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
>> and
>>>>>> arduous road to follow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> sleeves,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
>> Ewing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla
> McKinley
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Listers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or
cup
>>>>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>>>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>>>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>>>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind,
> including
>>>>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>>>>> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in
>> which
>>>>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>>>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
>> it
>>>>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public
and
>>>>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>>>>> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless
blind
>>>>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
>> program,
>>>>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing
> at
>>>>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one
such
>>>>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
>> offered
>>>>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The
next
>> cue
>>>>>> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response
>> "cup."
>>>>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
>> and
>>>>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
>> when
>>>>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back
> to
>>>>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>>>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
>> cups
>>>>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
>> many
>>>>>> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>>>>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar,
> which
>> is
>>>>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Priscilla
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Atty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Message: 11
>>>>> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:10:20 -0500
>>>>> From: "The Crowd"<the_crowd at cox.net>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
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>>>>> The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for
>> change
>>>>> and
>>>>> donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same
door,
>> with
>>>>> the
>>>>> same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put
one
>> in
>>>>> mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And
> they
>>>>> didn't
>>>>> think that of us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with
things
>>>>> like,
>>>>> "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin
>> and
>>>>> witch
>>>>> suckers!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you
>> support
>>>>> the
>>>>> NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
>>>>> sighted
>>>>> one!
>>>>>
>>>>> So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar
sitting
>> on a
>>>>>
>>>>> table full of informational litature and products to sell and
>> equates it
>>>>> to
>>>>> a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some
>> way,
>>>>> has
>>>>> issues in themselves, blind or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Atty
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:55:21 -0500
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>> Priscilla,
>>
>> First, do you still live in Iowa? I trained at IDB in 2005, and my
>> husband, Ross, and I lived in Des Moines for about 2 years. Just
>> curious. We may know many of the same people.
>>
>> Second, I agree that we are all entitled to our opinions and to the
>> expression of those opinions. To begin with, my concern is that to be
>> against donations and/or using something like a jar to put money in,
>> does not necessarily translate to a person as an individual having a
>> negative philosophy. I am not implying you have done this, but many
>> have, and I think we can potentially reach dangerous ground to make
> such
>> blanket statements. A lot of us have not personally made the
> connection
>> until now, so to allude to or imply that this is the sign of a bad
>> philosophy, well many of us apparently fit in this category now. The
>> "blind begger" image is a negative one that we should be mindful of,
> but
>> I would hardly say that a group who happens to utilize such a method
> is
>> not purposefully trying to bring the image back.
>>
>> Next, I agree that in an academic setting one would want tangible
>> evidence to support their argument, however, in the real world, our
>> opinions can hold a lot of weight. Emotions and feelings can (note I
>> say can) be viable tools for an argument such as this. That is not to
>> say that we shouldn't be educated and informed on a topic, but, quite
>> frankly, we are not discussing dissertations. I like to have
> supporting
>> evidence in a debate even such as this, but I also know that just
>> because some one does not back up a claim with documented evidence
(or
>> what some may accept as working evidence) does not mean their points
> are
>> invalid.
>>
>> Since you have brought it up, I would ask my questions directly. One,
>> what is the difference of having a "donation" button on the NFB
> website,
>> and a chapter or affiliate using a jar (or something similar) to
place
>> donations in? Also, you are saying that even when a group hands out
> NFB
>> literature and directly speaks to anyone from the public about the
> NFB,
>> if they happen to use a jar or container to store money in, this
takes
>> precedence? In light of your argument, we should never hand out
>> literature as most won't read it anyway. What should we do then to
>> educate? Note my chapter does many events such as reading Braille
> books
>> to kids at public libraries, attending disability awareness fairs,
>> participating in community events including parades and carnivals,
and
>> much more. At each event we have literature to hand out as well as
>> speaking to people, but if they won't read it or listen to what we
> have
>> to say, what is the point?
>>
>> I am not disagreeing with the fact that asking for hand outs is
wrong,
>> and to hold a cup and beg for money goes against what the NFB has
>> established. I feel that the begger image, though, is a different
> thing
>> from the point that many of us have made. This will be controversial,
>> but what the hell. Dr. Jernigan came from and lived through a time
> when
>> disabled beggers were still very much prevalent. It was his goal and
>> the goal of the Federation to change and destroy this image. However,
>> in today's world (thank God) it is not common to find disabled
beggers
>> on the streets. Much has been done to fight this stereotype, and not
>> many outside of those belonging to that era, cling to this image of a
>> blind person. True, they still doubt our abilities and fear blindness
>> as the worse possible thing, but few (in my experience) are even
aware
>> that such an image exist. Often when I discuss this stereotype with
>> others, they are not aware of the image, or if they are, this image
> does
>> not immediately come to mind. So I still refute the claim that in an
>> environment as I have previously described, most are not taking away
> an
>> image of how blind people can only beg for money. Many, not all, but
>> many see us running and organizing an event and engaging the public
in
>> conversation, explaining what and who the NFB is. As blind people who
>> face a long battle still, we must be mindful of our past and what the
>> Federation has accomplished. We must be careful to maintain the new
>> burgeoning image and continue moving forward. To say, though, that
>> anyone who uses a receptacle of any kind to store money is holding
the
>> blind back from escaping such negative stereotypes, may be at risk of
>> reaching other extremes themselves.
>>
>> I respect and admire your points and appreciate your ability to have
> an
>> intellectual debate. I actually agree with your argument, but I
>> (holding to my opinion as well) still maintain that begging for money
>> with a tin cup is a different thing from groups presenting a positive
>> image of blindness by running and working events/activities, but who
> may
>> use a container of some kind to place money in. And once again, the
>> specific situation involving my chapter, we have never asked for
>> donations or allowed for donations without explaining who we are and
>> what the money raised does. We always have a product we sell along
> with
>> explaining the purpose for why we are raising funds.
>>
>> This has sparked a good and interesting dialogue for the list. It is
>> good for us to learn how to articulate our arguments by approaching
it
>> from an informed and intelligent perspective. As it is an email list,
>> we also learn how to voice our opinions and beliefs in a written
> format
>> which helps sharpen and develop our craft.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
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>> 1. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>> 2. Re: question about philosophy (Joe Orozco)
>> 3. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>> 4. social networking and youth slam (Bridgit Pollpeter)
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>> 6. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
>> 7. Re: social networking and youth slam (cheryl echevarria)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:11:26 -0500
>> From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> Message-ID:
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>> As I said, people have different opinions, which is a great thing.
>> You are entitled to yours, just as I am entitled to mine. *smile* If
>> this came up in my chapter, we would just take a vote on the matter
to
>> decide if we should or shouldn?t have a jar at a fundraiser. In fact,
>> out of curiosity, I might suggest this as a topic of discussion for
>> our next chapter meeting to hear all the views on the matter. I?m
>> not saying that my opinion is right; I am just saying that I hold my
>> opinion for various reasons, mostly based on the historical research
I
>> did for my dissertation and Dr. Jernigan?s speeches.
>>
>> When I taught Rhetoric and Creative Nonfiction Writing at the
>> University of Iowa, there were many opinions on many topics,
including
>> writing. When workshopping, some people would tell a student to add
>> more, while others would say the piece was great. (Yes, this is a way
>> to get back to the point of this list, which is mainly to discuss
>> writing.) If students wrote research papers, though, I would expect
>> them to back up their opinions with evidence from outside sources.
>> For this particular topic of discussion, I?m not sure that anyone
>> could back up their arguments with reliable sources. There are many
>> history books out there that discuss the symbol of the tin cup, but
>> that doesn?t mean that a jar or container should or shouldn?t be
used.
>> Like I said, my personal opinion stems from the symbol of the cup
>> from the past.
>>
>> As far as comparing the Make a Wish Foundation to the NFB, though, I
>> have just two comments. First, I would estimate that 99 percent of
>> the general public have heard of the Make a Wish Foundation, while I
>> bet about 99 percent of people have never heard of the NFB or at
least
>> what it represents. Part of this has to do with advertising. There
>> are Make a Wish ads on TV and in magazines all the time. Second, I
>> bet most people know what the Make a Wish Foundation does with the
>> money, while I bet they don?t know what the NFB does with the money.
>> In fact, if they don?t know what the NFB is, they probably just see
>> ?blind? and think they?re helping the blind. They probably don?t know
>> about the programs we have to make lives better for blind people.
>> Even with literature available and even if they take the literature,
>> there?s nothing saying they will read that literature.
>>
>> Finally, I don?t think that I have ?issues? just because my opinion
is
>> different from someone else?s. Like the discussion on the cars for
>> the blind, there are many views. People should not be attacked for
>> their opinions. I am open to the opinions of others and welcome
>> them to learn and to grow.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for
change
>> and
>>> donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same door,
>> with the
>>> same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>>>
>>> I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put one
> in
>> mine.
>>>
>>> I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And they
>> didn't
>>> think that of us.
>>>
>>> Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with things
>> like,
>>> "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin
and
>> witch
>>> suckers!"
>>>
>>> Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you
>> support the
>>> NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>>>
>>> "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
>> sighted
>>> one!
>>>
>>> So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar sitting
> on
>> a
>>> table full of informational litature and products to sell and
equates
>> it to
>>> a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some
way,
>> has
>>> issues in themselves, blind or not.
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 18:30:25 -0400
>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>> Priscilla,
>>
>> You're just wrong, okay? Because we said so. *grin*
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 6:11 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>
>> As I said, people have different opinions, which is a great thing.
>> You are entitled to yours, just as I am entitled to mine. *smile* If
>> this came up in my chapter, we would just take a vote on the matter
to
>> decide if we should or shouldn't have a jar at a fundraiser. In fact,
>> out of curiosity, I might suggest this as a topic of discussion for
>> our next chapter meeting to hear all the views on the matter. I'm
>> not saying that my opinion is right; I am just saying that I hold my
>> opinion for various reasons, mostly based on the historical research
I
>> did for my dissertation and Dr. Jernigan's speeches.
>>
>> When I taught Rhetoric and Creative Nonfiction Writing at the
>> University of Iowa, there were many opinions on many topics,
including
>> writing. When workshopping, some people would tell a student to add
>> more, while others would say the piece was great. (Yes, this is a way
>> to get back to the point of this list, which is mainly to discuss
>> writing.) If students wrote research papers, though, I would expect
>> them to back up their opinions with evidence from outside sources.
>> For this particular topic of discussion, I'm not sure that anyone
>> could back up their arguments with reliable sources. There are many
>> history books out there that discuss the symbol of the tin cup, but
>> that doesn't mean that a jar or container should or shouldn't be
used.
>> Like I said, my personal opinion stems from the symbol of the cup
>> from the past.
>>
>> As far as comparing the Make a Wish Foundation to the NFB, though, I
>> have just two comments. First, I would estimate that 99 percent of
>> the general public have heard of the Make a Wish Foundation, while I
>> bet about 99 percent of people have never heard of the NFB or at
least
>> what it represents. Part of this has to do with advertising. There
>> are Make a Wish ads on TV and in magazines all the time. Second, I
>> bet most people know what the Make a Wish Foundation does with the
>> money, while I bet they don't know what the NFB does with the money.
>> In fact, if they don't know what the NFB is, they probably just see
>> "blind" and think they're helping the blind. They probably don't know
>> about the programs we have to make lives better for blind people.
>> Even with literature available and even if they take the literature,
>> there's nothing saying they will read that literature.
>>
>> Finally, I don't think that I have "issues" just because my opinion
is
>> different from someone else's. Like the discussion on the cars for
>> the blind, there are many views. People should not be attacked for
>> their opinions. I am open to the opinions of others and welcome
>> them to learn and to grow.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar
>> for change and
>>> donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same
>> door, with the
>>> same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>>>
>>> I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and
>> put one in mine.
>>>
>>> I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids.
>> And they didn't
>>> think that of us.
>>>
>>> Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with
>> things like,
>>> "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost,
>> pumpkin and witch
>>> suckers!"
>>>
>>> Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can
>> you support the
>>> NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>>>
>>> "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the
>> corner. A sighted
>>> one!
>>>
>>> So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar
>> sitting on a
>>> table full of informational litature and products to sell and
>> equates it to
>>> a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in
>> some way, has
>>> issues in themselves, blind or not.
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:51:31 -0500
>> From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> Funny thing, Joe. I was going to say that about you. Let the debates
>> continue... *smile*
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Priscilla,
>>>
>>> You're just wrong, okay? Because we said so. *grin*
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 6:11 PM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>
>>> As I said, people have different opinions, which is a great thing.
>>> You are entitled to yours, just as I am entitled to mine. *smile* If
>>> this came up in my chapter, we would just take a vote on the matter
> to
>>> decide if we should or shouldn't have a jar at a fundraiser. In
> fact,
>>> out of curiosity, I might suggest this as a topic of discussion for
>>> our next chapter meeting to hear all the views on the matter. I'm
>>> not saying that my opinion is right; I am just saying that I hold my
>>> opinion for various reasons, mostly based on the historical research
> I
>>> did for my dissertation and Dr. Jernigan's speeches.
>>>
>>> When I taught Rhetoric and Creative Nonfiction Writing at the
>>> University of Iowa, there were many opinions on many topics,
> including
>>> writing. When workshopping, some people would tell a student to add
>>> more, while others would say the piece was great. (Yes, this is a
> way
>>> to get back to the point of this list, which is mainly to discuss
>>> writing.) If students wrote research papers, though, I would expect
>>> them to back up their opinions with evidence from outside sources.
>>> For this particular topic of discussion, I'm not sure that anyone
>>> could back up their arguments with reliable sources. There are many
>>> history books out there that discuss the symbol of the tin cup, but
>>> that doesn't mean that a jar or container should or shouldn't be
> used.
>>> Like I said, my personal opinion stems from the symbol of the cup
>>> from the past.
>>>
>>> As far as comparing the Make a Wish Foundation to the NFB, though, I
>>> have just two comments. First, I would estimate that 99 percent of
>>> the general public have heard of the Make a Wish Foundation, while I
>>> bet about 99 percent of people have never heard of the NFB or at
> least
>>> what it represents. Part of this has to do with advertising. There
>>> are Make a Wish ads on TV and in magazines all the time. Second, I
>>> bet most people know what the Make a Wish Foundation does with the
>>> money, while I bet they don't know what the NFB does with the money.
>>> In fact, if they don't know what the NFB is, they probably just see
>>> "blind" and think they're helping the blind. They probably don't
> know
>>> about the programs we have to make lives better for blind people.
>>> Even with literature available and even if they take the literature,
>>> there's nothing saying they will read that literature.
>>>
>>> Finally, I don't think that I have "issues" just because my opinion
> is
>>> different from someone else's. Like the discussion on the cars for
>>> the blind, there are many views. People should not be attacked for
>>> their opinions. I am open to the opinions of others and welcome
>>> them to learn and to grow.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/21/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar
>>> for change and
>>>> donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same
>>> door, with the
>>>> same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>>>>
>>>> I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and
>>> put one in mine.
>>>>
>>>> I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids.
>>> And they didn't
>>>> think that of us.
>>>>
>>>> Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with
>>> things like,
>>>> "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost,
>>> pumpkin and witch
>>>> suckers!"
>>>>
>>>> Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can
>>> you support the
>>>> NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>>>>
>>>> "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the
>>> corner. A sighted
>>>> one!
>>>>
>>>> So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar
>>> sitting on a
>>>> table full of informational litature and products to sell and
>>> equates it to
>>>> a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in
>>> some way, has
>>>> issues in themselves, blind or not.
>>>>
>>>> Atty
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:01:39 -0500
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP36D24DF42FABF5C77C2BD6C4810 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Yes we need to ensure accessibility happens so that everyone has
equal
>> access to whatever, but if we constantly set up things, whether they
> be
>> websites or other avenues, specifically for a certain group, aren't
we
>> isolating ourselves from society? People must realize that products
>> should be accessible for any user, and if a group or company refuses
> to
>> do so, then it makes sense to establish our own product, but must we
>> always create our own products, or can we not continue to work with
>> existing companies and products to find solutions? I will use
> Facebook
>> for an example since this seems to be the name that keeps coming up
in
>> the argument, but so many blind people use Facebook with little or no
>> problems. Personally I am no fan of Facebook, but where is the real
>> issue? The NFB and other groups seem to be attempting to address the
>> issue as much as they can. Many, many products and websites are now
>> usable by the blind and we didn't have to spend money to develop the
>> same thing. I call that smart business! *smile*
>>
>> Also, there are other disabilities beyond blindness that often
require
>> accommodations and modifications. Should all cars be drivable off
> theh
>> lot by Little People? Should Spanish and ASL be required for all
> public
>> officials? Should every building be created so that even those with
>> mobility issues can access it? Of course, but the world does not
> always
>> think from this perspective. We, the disabled, must ensure our own
>> accessibility, but we don't have to always start from the ground up.
> We
>> can and should work with existing structures which then allow us to
be
> a
>> part of society and not isolating ourselves.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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> On
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>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:00 PM
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>> Subject: stylist Digest, Vol 76, Issue 34
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>> 1. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>> 2. Re: question about philosophy (Judith Bron)
>> 3. social networking and youth slam (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>> 4. Re: social networking and youth slam (cheryl echevarria)
>> 5. Re: social networking and youth slam (Peter Donahue)
>> 6. Re: question about philosophy (Joe Orozco)
>> 7. Re: social networking and youth slam (Joe Orozco)
>> 8. Re: question about philosophy (Donna Hill)
>> 9. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
>> 10. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>> 11. Re: question about philosophy (The Crowd)
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:18:22 -0500
>> From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>
>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>
>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>
>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:03:05 -0400
>> From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> Message-ID: <004f01cb4091$f07adb10$3302a8c0 at dell5150>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=Windows-1252;
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the majority
> or
>> to
>> rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life is not
> a
>>
>> game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have guessed that
>> blind
>> could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over the world use a
> cup,
>>
>> charity box or some other kind of vessel to collect for their
>> organizations,
>> the needy and the otherwise disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a
>> myth
>> or are you going out of your way to prove that every negative
> associated
>>
>> with blindness has been successful in portraying the blind since
>> forever?
>> The guy standing on the street during holiday time is collecting
money
>> using
>> a large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
>> up
>> and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Priscilla McKinley" <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>
>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>
>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>
>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:48 -0500
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP407C91BF2CE029EB8B1FBDC49F0 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Peter and others,
>>
>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>
>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
> is
>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>
>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting
> a
>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
> to
>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>
>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> raised,
>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> society
>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:05:02 -0400
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> Message-ID: <BAY110-DS689D8C5F44A944FAC81ECA19F0 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> um the NFB had to sign up to be part of this I think they would know
> if
>> this
>> is accessible or not since Dr. Maurer did announce it on the Monthly
>> Presidential Release and that if he could do it anybody could do it.
>>
>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>
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>> Independent Travel Consultant
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>>
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>>
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> Travel
>> Inc.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 PM
>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>
>>
>>> Peter and others,
>>>
>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> can
>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> phones
>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
>> is
>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>
>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
> I
>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> setting
>> a
>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them
>> to
>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> changed
>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>
>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> manner
>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Writers Division web site:
>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:11:51 -0500
>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> Message-ID: <001701cb409b$8cc76f20$4001a8c0 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
> ourselves
>>
>> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can develop
>> the
>> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car independently we
>> should
>> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services to
> serve
>> as
>> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made accessible
> to
>> all.
>> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>
>>
>> Peter and others,
>>
>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>
>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
> is
>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>
>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting
> a
>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
> to
>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>
>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> raised,
>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> society
>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>
>> Bridgit
>> _______________________________________________
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>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:49:34 -0400
>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> Message-ID: <94B68AE810DF4C029D6F3DED7019AE2F at Rufus>
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>>
>> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
>> cup, I
>> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>> brochures
>> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
>> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
> the
>> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
> public
>> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
>> attract
>> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
>> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
> contrary,
>> one
>> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
> among
>> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>> group?
>> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
presence
>> or
>> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
>> about
>> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>> opinion
>> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
> whether
>> the
>> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
>> group
>> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
> strategy
>> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
> agencies
>> not
>> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care of
>> foster
>> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
>> people
>> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>> sought.
>> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by exuding
>> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
>> what is
>> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long and
>> arduous road to follow.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>
>> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
>> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>
>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
>> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>
>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:02:18 -0400
>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> Message-ID: <659A73BDED1248F1B6A150EBB34828E3 at Rufus>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> This is my issue with web accessibility. I don't know that everyone
>> will
>> ever be able to agree on what it means to be accessible, because
there
>> are
>> varying levels of computer skills and screen reader features. So far
> I
>> must
>> say you are the only person I've seen complain about the
accessibility
>> of
>> the Pepsi Challenge project, which does not mean your complaint is
>> irrelevant. It means there must surely be others who are experiencing
>> similar problems, but I have not yet heard a valid reason for why the
>> CAPTCHA feature is posing such a problem. There are two services that
>> help
>> blind users translate the CAPTCHA codes. Even deaf and blind users
> can
>> have
>> the text transmitted without bothering with the audio. My point here
> is
>> not
>> to turn your concerns away. They are valid, but technology is
> changing.
>> To
>> me it sounds as though you are reluctant to change with it, and in
the
>> meantime should we turn away from a free means of earning $250,000
> just
>> because we want to prove a point? If we don't take advantage of this
>> project while it lasts, someone else will, and would you actually
> argue
>> that
>> those other projects are more important than the future potential of
> our
>> math and science enthusiasts? These are, after all, the people on
> whom
>> we
>> are relying to build that there car for blind folk. For every minute
>> you
>> spent writing your flurry of posts objecting the Pepsi project, you
>> could
>> have been spending the time communicating with Pepsi. You're the web
>> development guy who could have expertly conveyed to them what is
> needed.
>> I'm having difficulty feeling empathetic with you on this one.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:12 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
>> ourselves
>> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
>> develop the
>> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car
>> independently we should
>> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services
>> to serve as
>> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
>> accessible to all.
>> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>
>>
>> Peter and others,
>>
>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>
>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
> is
>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>
>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting
> a
>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
> to
>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>
>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> raised,
>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> society
>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>
>> Bridgit
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site:
>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:44:06 -0400
>> From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> Message-ID: <4C6EF726.5000207 at epix.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>> Amen, Judith.
>>
>> Read Donna's articles on
>> Suite 101:
>> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
>> Ezine Articles:
>> http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
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>> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
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>> www.padnfb.org
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/2010 2:03 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>>> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
majority
>>> or to rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life
>>> is not a game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have
>>> guessed that blind could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all
> over
>>
>>> the world use a cup, charity box or some other kind of vessel to
>>> collect for their organizations, the needy and the otherwise
>>> disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a myth or are you going out
>>> of your way to prove that every negative associated with blindness
> has
>>
>>> been successful in portraying the blind since forever? The guy
>>> standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money using
> a
>>
>>> large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
>>> up and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priscilla McKinley"
>>> <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>
>>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>
>>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> cue
>>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> when
>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>>
>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> many
>>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
> is
>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>
>>>> Atty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:45:57 -0400
>> From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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>> Well put, Bridget!
>> Donna
>>
>> Read Donna's articles on
>> Suite 101:
>> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
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>> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
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>>
>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>> www.padnfb.org
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/2010 2:52 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>>> Peter and others,
>>>
>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> can
>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> phones
>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
>> is
>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>
>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
> I
>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> setting
>> a
>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them
>> to
>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> changed
>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>
>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> manner
>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>
>>
>
http://www.nfb-writers-division.org<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:00:04 -0500
>> From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>> I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. *smile* As a
>> person who has had severl fundraisers over the years, including
>> selling calendars, hot dogs, candy bars, shot glasses, Capitol Steps
>> tickets, to name just a few, we never had a container sitting on the
>> table where people could drop money. We would accept donations that
>> were given to us but that meant the people had to interact in some
>> way. They couldn't just walk by and ignore us, dropping money in a
>> jar. They had to talk to us, to hand us the money. Similarly, people
>> who donate online will be at our website and see positive images.
>> Plus, they have to make a conscious decision to go there. (If
>> dropping money in a container, some people might not even remember
>> the name of the group to which they gave money.)
>>
>> When I was living on the East Coast and was a member of a chapter
>> there, we discussed this topic in great detail. We talked about blind
>> beggers in the past and the idea of the tin cup. People would walk
>> by, dig into their pockets, and put change in the cup, pitying the
>> blind. As a chapter, we decided to empty our pockets for other
>> organizations instead. The chapter president gave everyone a plastic
>> container and told us to drop our change in their over the next month
>> and bring the containers back to the next meeting, which was in
>> November. After receiving the containers and putting it in the
>> account, the chapter presented the money in check form for an
>> organization that was providing holiday meals and gifts for
struggling
>> families. Instead of taking, we were giving.
>>
>> While I'm no expert on this topic, I know how I viewed blindness
>> before I lost my sight, and I see the same reactions from others
today
>> now that I am blind. There are a lot of organizational things that I
>> don't agree with, but I would agree with Dr. Jernigan that that image
>> needs to be changed. Even today, I don't think it has. Like someone
>> said on here, the car that the blind can drive is supposed to
>> represent the positives, the future. Well, I believe the cup or
>> container just sitting there symbolizes the past, the negatives. But
>> again, that is just one opinion out of many. Perhaps someone should
>> write a letter to Doctor Maurer so he can read it at one of his
>> leadership seminars. I'm sure there would be lots of opinions, as
>> there are for almost every letter read at the seminars.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
>> cup, I
>>> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>> brochures
>>> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>>> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>>> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
>>> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
>> the
>>> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
>> public
>>> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
>> attract
>>> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
>>> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
>> contrary, one
>>> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
>> among
>>> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>> group?
>>> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
> presence
>> or
>>> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
>> about
>>> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>> opinion
>>> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
>> whether the
>>> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
>> group
>>> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
>> strategy
>>> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
>> agencies not
>>> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care
of
>> foster
>>> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
>> people
>>> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>> sought.
>>> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>>> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
> exuding
>>> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
>> what is
>>> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
and
>>> arduous road to follow.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>
>>> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> cue
>>> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> when
>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>>
>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> many
>>> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
> is
>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>
>>>> Atty
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:10:20 -0500
>> From: "The Crowd" <the_crowd at cox.net>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>>
>> The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for change
>> and
>> donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same door,
> with
>> the
>> same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>>
>> I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put one
in
>> mine.
>>
>> I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And they
>> didn't
>> think that of us.
>>
>> Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with things
>> like,
>> "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin and
>> witch
>> suckers!"
>>
>> Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you
> support
>> the
>> NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>>
>> "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
>> sighted
>> one!
>>
>> So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar sitting
on
> a
>>
>> table full of informational litature and products to sell and equates
> it
>> to
>> a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some way,
>> has
>> issues in themselves, blind or not.
>>
>> Atty
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:49:12 -0500
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>> Priscilla,
>>
>> Yes, begging and simply asking for a donation without explaining why
> or
>> who it is for is not only (in my opinion) against Federation
> philosophy,
>> but unethical in general. Our chapter, however, has never (in my
>> history in any case) done this. Though we may have a large plastic
>> donation jar to place money in during events and activities, we never
>> just have a jar alone, and we never, never, never allow passers-bys
to
>> donate without engaging them in conversation.
>>
>> Every event my chapter does is established as an outreach opportunity
>> which means we always have NFB brochures and we introduce ourselves
> and
>> our organization, explaining our purpose. We firmly believe that our
>> actions more than anything are what help change perceptions. This was
>> my original point, that some of us place a focus on something simple
> and
>> minor like the vessel chosen to store money, saying this some how
over
>> shadows the fact that blind people are accepting and handling all
> money
>> as well as interacting with people and making a point to explain the
>> Federation. One of us always handles the money, we do not just allow
>> people to "drop" money in, plus we always have a product we are
> selling
>> as opposed to just taking donations.
>>
>> So I still fail to see anything wrong with this. Many have pointed
> out
>> that a donation button on our websites is no different than a jar for
>> donations. The old beggar image brings up pictures of down and out
>> people standing on literal street corners asking or begging for money
> as
>> people walk by with no rhyme or reason. When chapters, like mine,
>> organize an established event where our main objective is to educate
> and
>> inform by handing out information and speaking directly with people,
I
>> fail to see the similarities.
>>
>> Trust me, I abhor the negative perceptions that still exist, but if I
>> try to prove a point to every person I meet every day, I will just
end
>> up overwhelmed and frustrated. Actually, we are the ones who remember
>> the "begger image" more than anyone as it is a part of our past. Many
>> people I speak with do not even realize this. They do not make the
>> connection. I am one who often looks for the negative attitudes, but
> by
>> constantly doing this, we risk having a bad attitude ourselves. Not
>> everyone has negative ideas about the blind, and many do not think
> that
>> deeply about something like a jar. If we (the blind) are confident,
>> capable and gracious, we have a better chance to leave a lasting
> image.
>> Not to say that we still don't have battles to win, but, as the old
>> adage goes, you catch more flies with honey. I hate this clich?, but
> it
>> often proves to be true.
>>
>> So I wish to defend my chapter by saying that we do not condone
> placing
>> a jar or cup on a table, allow people to put money in and just
> passively
>> sit there. One of us always handles the money, which means we accept
> it
>> as it is offered as well as making change if necessary, and we always
>> have a product like candy bars to sell. If people choose to donate,
> but
>> do not want our product, should we decline? We also always hand out
>> information along with speaking to all who approach our table. If
> this
>> is bad philosophy then I guess we should be excommunicated.
>>
>> I also wish to say that at the end of the day we have to live with
>> ourselves and realize no matter what we do, inevitably we can not
> change
>> everyone's minds. We can do our best and live up to our full
> potential
>> as individuals and groups, but if people choose to believe their own
>> concept of reality, well that is on them. To some, all they will ever
>> see is a cane and draw their own medieval conclusions. Yes we must
> make
>> sure we present the image we believe ourselves capable of, but how
> many
>> of us have done this and still deal with those who think we can't do
>> anything? Most of us I am sure. Our actions speak louder than words,
>> but some will always only hear what they want. At the end of the day,
> I
>> have to be comfortable with who I am as a person. We always say that
> we
>> are people, just like everyone else, we just happen to be blind. Yet
> we
>> place distinctions on ourselves by saying we have to prove something
> as
>> a blind person. What happened to just being a person?
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
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>> 1. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>> 2. Re: question about philosophy (Judith Bron)
>> 3. social networking and youth slam (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>> 4. Re: social networking and youth slam (cheryl echevarria)
>> 5. Re: social networking and youth slam (Peter Donahue)
>> 6. Re: question about philosophy (Joe Orozco)
>> 7. Re: social networking and youth slam (Joe Orozco)
>> 8. Re: question about philosophy (Donna Hill)
>> 9. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
>> 10. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>> 11. Re: question about philosophy (The Crowd)
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:18:22 -0500
>> From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>
>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>
>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>
>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:03:05 -0400
>> From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>>
>> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the majority
> or
>> to
>> rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life is not
> a
>>
>> game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have guessed that
>> blind
>> could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over the world use a
> cup,
>>
>> charity box or some other kind of vessel to collect for their
>> organizations,
>> the needy and the otherwise disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a
>> myth
>> or are you going out of your way to prove that every negative
> associated
>>
>> with blindness has been successful in portraying the blind since
>> forever?
>> The guy standing on the street during holiday time is collecting
money
>> using
>> a large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
>> up
>> and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Priscilla McKinley" <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>
>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>
>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>
>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:48 -0500
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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>> Peter and others,
>>
>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>
>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
> is
>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>
>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting
> a
>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
> to
>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>
>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> raised,
>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> society
>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:05:02 -0400
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> Message-ID: <BAY110-DS689D8C5F44A944FAC81ECA19F0 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> um the NFB had to sign up to be part of this I think they would know
> if
>> this
>> is accessible or not since Dr. Maurer did announce it on the Monthly
>> Presidential Release and that if he could do it anybody could do it.
>>
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>>
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>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 PM
>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>
>>
>>> Peter and others,
>>>
>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> can
>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> phones
>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
>> is
>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>
>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
> I
>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> setting
>> a
>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them
>> to
>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> changed
>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>
>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> manner
>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Writers Division web site:
>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:11:51 -0500
>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> Message-ID: <001701cb409b$8cc76f20$4001a8c0 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
> ourselves
>>
>> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can develop
>> the
>> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car independently we
>> should
>> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services to
> serve
>> as
>> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made accessible
> to
>> all.
>> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>
>>
>> Peter and others,
>>
>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>
>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
> is
>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>
>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting
> a
>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
> to
>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>
>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> raised,
>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> society
>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>
>> Bridgit
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site:
>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:49:34 -0400
>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> Message-ID: <94B68AE810DF4C029D6F3DED7019AE2F at Rufus>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
>> cup, I
>> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>> brochures
>> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
>> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
> the
>> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
> public
>> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
>> attract
>> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
>> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
> contrary,
>> one
>> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
> among
>> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>> group?
>> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
presence
>> or
>> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
>> about
>> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>> opinion
>> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
> whether
>> the
>> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
>> group
>> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
> strategy
>> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
> agencies
>> not
>> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care of
>> foster
>> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
>> people
>> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>> sought.
>> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by exuding
>> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
>> what is
>> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long and
>> arduous road to follow.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>
>> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV program,
>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word offered
>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
cue
>> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education, and
>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
when
>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>
>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and cups
>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact, many
>> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
is
>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>
>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:02:18 -0400
>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>> Message-ID: <659A73BDED1248F1B6A150EBB34828E3 at Rufus>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> This is my issue with web accessibility. I don't know that everyone
>> will
>> ever be able to agree on what it means to be accessible, because
there
>> are
>> varying levels of computer skills and screen reader features. So far
> I
>> must
>> say you are the only person I've seen complain about the
accessibility
>> of
>> the Pepsi Challenge project, which does not mean your complaint is
>> irrelevant. It means there must surely be others who are experiencing
>> similar problems, but I have not yet heard a valid reason for why the
>> CAPTCHA feature is posing such a problem. There are two services that
>> help
>> blind users translate the CAPTCHA codes. Even deaf and blind users
> can
>> have
>> the text transmitted without bothering with the audio. My point here
> is
>> not
>> to turn your concerns away. They are valid, but technology is
> changing.
>> To
>> me it sounds as though you are reluctant to change with it, and in
the
>> meantime should we turn away from a free means of earning $250,000
> just
>> because we want to prove a point? If we don't take advantage of this
>> project while it lasts, someone else will, and would you actually
> argue
>> that
>> those other projects are more important than the future potential of
> our
>> math and science enthusiasts? These are, after all, the people on
> whom
>> we
>> are relying to build that there car for blind folk. For every minute
>> you
>> spent writing your flurry of posts objecting the Pepsi project, you
>> could
>> have been spending the time communicating with Pepsi. You're the web
>> development guy who could have expertly conveyed to them what is
> needed.
>> I'm having difficulty feeling empathetic with you on this one.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:12 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
>> ourselves
>> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
>> develop the
>> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car
>> independently we should
>> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services
>> to serve as
>> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
>> accessible to all.
>> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>
>>
>> Peter and others,
>>
>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for accessibility
>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>
>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of voting,
>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we can
>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude ourselves
>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility issues.
>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
phones
>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
> is
>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>
>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
I
>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
setting
> a
>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow them
> to
>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been changed
>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>
>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
manner
>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
> raised,
>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
> society
>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>
>> Bridgit
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site:
>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>
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>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:44:06 -0400
>> From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>> Message-ID: <4C6EF726.5000207 at epix.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>> Amen, Judith.
>>
>> Read Donna's articles on
>> Suite 101:
>> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
>> Ezine Articles:
>> http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
>> American Chronicle:
>> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>>
>> Connect with Donna on
>> Twitter:
>> www.twitter.com/dewhill
>> LinkedIn:
>> www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
>> FaceBook:
>> www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
>>
>> Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
>> cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>> Apple I-Tunes
>>
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>>
>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>> www.padnfb.org
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/2010 2:03 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>>> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
majority
>>> or to rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life
>>> is not a game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have
>>> guessed that blind could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all
> over
>>
>>> the world use a cup, charity box or some other kind of vessel to
>>> collect for their organizations, the needy and the otherwise
>>> disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a myth or are you going out
>>> of your way to prove that every negative associated with blindness
> has
>>
>>> been successful in portraying the blind since forever? The guy
>>> standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money using
> a
>>
>>> large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
>>> up and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priscilla McKinley"
>>> <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>
>>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>
>>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> cue
>>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> when
>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>>
>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> many
>>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
> is
>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>
>>>> Atty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>
>>>> stylist mailing list
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:45:57 -0400
>> From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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>> Well put, Bridget!
>> Donna
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>> On 8/20/2010 2:52 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>>> Peter and others,
>>>
>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> can
>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> phones
>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
>> is
>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>
>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
> I
>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> setting
>> a
>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them
>> to
>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> changed
>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>
>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> manner
>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:00:04 -0500
>> From: Priscilla McKinley <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>> I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. *smile* As a
>> person who has had severl fundraisers over the years, including
>> selling calendars, hot dogs, candy bars, shot glasses, Capitol Steps
>> tickets, to name just a few, we never had a container sitting on the
>> table where people could drop money. We would accept donations that
>> were given to us but that meant the people had to interact in some
>> way. They couldn't just walk by and ignore us, dropping money in a
>> jar. They had to talk to us, to hand us the money. Similarly, people
>> who donate online will be at our website and see positive images.
>> Plus, they have to make a conscious decision to go there. (If
>> dropping money in a container, some people might not even remember
>> the name of the group to which they gave money.)
>>
>> When I was living on the East Coast and was a member of a chapter
>> there, we discussed this topic in great detail. We talked about blind
>> beggers in the past and the idea of the tin cup. People would walk
>> by, dig into their pockets, and put change in the cup, pitying the
>> blind. As a chapter, we decided to empty our pockets for other
>> organizations instead. The chapter president gave everyone a plastic
>> container and told us to drop our change in their over the next month
>> and bring the containers back to the next meeting, which was in
>> November. After receiving the containers and putting it in the
>> account, the chapter presented the money in check form for an
>> organization that was providing holiday meals and gifts for
struggling
>> families. Instead of taking, we were giving.
>>
>> While I'm no expert on this topic, I know how I viewed blindness
>> before I lost my sight, and I see the same reactions from others
today
>> now that I am blind. There are a lot of organizational things that I
>> don't agree with, but I would agree with Dr. Jernigan that that image
>> needs to be changed. Even today, I don't think it has. Like someone
>> said on here, the car that the blind can drive is supposed to
>> represent the positives, the future. Well, I believe the cup or
>> container just sitting there symbolizes the past, the negatives. But
>> again, that is just one opinion out of many. Perhaps someone should
>> write a letter to Doctor Maurer so he can read it at one of his
>> leadership seminars. I'm sure there would be lots of opinions, as
>> there are for almost every letter read at the seminars.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
>> cup, I
>>> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>> brochures
>>> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>>> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>>> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
>>> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
>> the
>>> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
>> public
>>> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
>> attract
>>> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
>>> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
>> contrary, one
>>> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
>> among
>>> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>> group?
>>> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
> presence
>> or
>>> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
>> about
>>> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>> opinion
>>> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
>> whether the
>>> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
>> group
>>> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
>> strategy
>>> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
>> agencies not
>>> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care
of
>> foster
>>> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
>> people
>>> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>> sought.
>>> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>>> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
> exuding
>>> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
>> what is
>>> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
and
>>> arduous road to follow.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>
>>> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> cue
>>> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> when
>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>>
>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> many
>>> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
> is
>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>
>>>> Atty
>>>>
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:10:20 -0500
>> From: "The Crowd" <the_crowd at cox.net>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>>
>> The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for change
>> and
>> donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same door,
> with
>> the
>> same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>>
>> I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put one
in
>> mine.
>>
>> I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And they
>> didn't
>> think that of us.
>>
>> Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with things
>> like,
>> "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin and
>> witch
>> suckers!"
>>
>> Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you
> support
>> the
>> NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>>
>> "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
>> sighted
>> one!
>>
>> So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar sitting
on
> a
>>
>> table full of informational litature and products to sell and equates
> it
>> to
>> a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some way,
>> has
>> issues in themselves, blind or not.
>>
>> Atty
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:58:52 -0400
>> From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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>> Hi Bridget,
>> I agree with you about isolating ourselves. The whole separate but
> equal
>>
>> thing about setting up accessible social networking scares the
> daylights
>>
>> out of me. It plays right into the hands of the frightened sighted
>> public who would rather not have to deal with us. It also keeps us
> from
>> interacting in the same arena which our sighted peers have. In short,
>> the site might be more accessible to us, but it doesn't make the
> world
>> more accessible to us.
>> Donna
>>
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>>
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>> www.padnfb.org
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/2010 11:01 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>>> Yes we need to ensure accessibility happens so that everyone has
> equal
>>> access to whatever, but if we constantly set up things, whether they
>> be
>>> websites or other avenues, specifically for a certain group, aren't
> we
>>> isolating ourselves from society? People must realize that products
>>> should be accessible for any user, and if a group or company refuses
>> to
>>> do so, then it makes sense to establish our own product, but must we
>>> always create our own products, or can we not continue to work with
>>> existing companies and products to find solutions? I will use
>> Facebook
>>> for an example since this seems to be the name that keeps coming up
> in
>>> the argument, but so many blind people use Facebook with little or
no
>>> problems. Personally I am no fan of Facebook, but where is the real
>>> issue? The NFB and other groups seem to be attempting to address the
>>> issue as much as they can. Many, many products and websites are now
>>> usable by the blind and we didn't have to spend money to develop the
>>> same thing. I call that smart business! *smile*
>>>
>>> Also, there are other disabilities beyond blindness that often
> require
>>> accommodations and modifications. Should all cars be drivable off
>> theh
>>> lot by Little People? Should Spanish and ASL be required for all
>> public
>>> officials? Should every building be created so that even those with
>>> mobility issues can access it? Of course, but the world does not
>> always
>>> think from this perspective. We, the disabled, must ensure our own
>>> accessibility, but we don't have to always start from the ground up.
>> We
>>> can and should work with existing structures which then allow us to
> be
>> a
>>> part of society and not isolating ourselves.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
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>>> 1. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>>> 2. Re: question about philosophy (Judith Bron)
>>> 3. social networking and youth slam (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>>> 4. Re: social networking and youth slam (cheryl echevarria)
>>> 5. Re: social networking and youth slam (Peter Donahue)
>>> 6. Re: question about philosophy (Joe Orozco)
>>> 7. Re: social networking and youth slam (Joe Orozco)
>>> 8. Re: question about philosophy (Donna Hill)
>>> 9. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
>>> 10. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>>> 11. Re: question about philosophy (The Crowd)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:18:22 -0500
>>> From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>
>>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> cue
>>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> when
>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>>
>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> many
>>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
> is
>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>
>>>> Atty
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:03:05 -0400
>>> From: Judith Bron<jbron at optonline.net>
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>>>
>>> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
majority
>> or
>>> to
>>> rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life is
> not
>> a
>>>
>>> game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have guessed that
>>> blind
>>> could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over the world use a
>> cup,
>>>
>>> charity box or some other kind of vessel to collect for their
>>> organizations,
>>> the needy and the otherwise disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel
> a
>>> myth
>>> or are you going out of your way to prove that every negative
>> associated
>>>
>>> with blindness has been successful in portraying the blind since
>>> forever?
>>> The guy standing on the street during holiday time is collecting
> money
>>> using
>>> a large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to
> grow
>>> up
>>> and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Priscilla McKinley"<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>
>>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in which
>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>
>>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> cue
>>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response "cup."
>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> when
>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>>
>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> many
>>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
> is
>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>
>>>> Atty
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:48 -0500
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP407C91BF2CE029EB8B1FBDC49F0 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Peter and others,
>>>
>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> can
>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> phones
>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
>> is
>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>
>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
> I
>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> setting
>> a
>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them
>> to
>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> changed
>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>
>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> manner
>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:05:02 -0400
>>> From: "cheryl echevarria"<cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> Message-ID:<BAY110-DS689D8C5F44A944FAC81ECA19F0 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> um the NFB had to sign up to be part of this I think they would know
>> if
>>> this
>>> is accessible or not since Dr. Maurer did announce it on the Monthly
>>> Presidential Release and that if he could do it anybody could do it.
>>>
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>>>
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>> Travel
>>> Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 PM
>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Peter and others,
>>>>
>>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
> accessibility
>>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
> voting,
>>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
>> can
>>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
> ourselves
>>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
> issues.
>>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
on.
>>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
>> phones
>>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
> that
>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>>
>>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
complications,
>> I
>>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
> with
>>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
>> setting
>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
> never
>>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
> people
>>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
> them
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
>> changed
>>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>>
>>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
>> manner
>>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>>>>
>>> raised,
>>>
>>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>>>>
>>> society
>>>
>>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
> confidence
>>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>
>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>
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> for
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>>
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>>> 0hotmail.com
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:11:51 -0500
>>> From: "Peter Donahue"<pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> Message-ID:<001701cb409b$8cc76f20$4001a8c0 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
>> ourselves
>>>
>>> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
develop
>>> the
>>> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car independently we
>>> should
>>> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services to
>> serve
>>> as
>>> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made accessible
>> to
>>> all.
>>> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>>> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter and others,
>>>
>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> can
>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> phones
>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
>> is
>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>
>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
> I
>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> setting
>> a
>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them
>> to
>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> changed
>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>
>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> manner
>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Writers Division web site:
>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>
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>>> global.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:49:34 -0400
>>> From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> Message-ID:<94B68AE810DF4C029D6F3DED7019AE2F at Rufus>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a donation
>>> cup, I
>>> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>>> brochures
>>> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>>> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>>> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
>>> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
>> the
>>> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
>> public
>>> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event would
>>> attract
>>> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
>>> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
>> contrary,
>>> one
>>> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
>> among
>>> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>>> group?
>>> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
> presence
>>> or
>>> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
>>> about
>>> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>>> opinion
>>> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
>> whether
>>> the
>>> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
>>> group
>>> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
>> strategy
>>> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
>> agencies
>>> not
>>> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care
of
>>> foster
>>> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of these
>>> people
>>> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>>> sought.
>>> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>>> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
> exuding
>>> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition of
>>> what is
>>> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
and
>>> arduous road to follow.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in which
>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>
>>> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public it
>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
program,
>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
offered
>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
> cue
>>> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response "cup."
>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
and
>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
> when
>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>>
>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
cups
>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
> many
>>> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
> is
>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>
>>>> Atty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:02:18 -0400
>>> From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> Message-ID:<659A73BDED1248F1B6A150EBB34828E3 at Rufus>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> This is my issue with web accessibility. I don't know that everyone
>>> will
>>> ever be able to agree on what it means to be accessible, because
> there
>>> are
>>> varying levels of computer skills and screen reader features. So far
>> I
>>> must
>>> say you are the only person I've seen complain about the
> accessibility
>>> of
>>> the Pepsi Challenge project, which does not mean your complaint is
>>> irrelevant. It means there must surely be others who are
> experiencing
>>> similar problems, but I have not yet heard a valid reason for why
the
>>> CAPTCHA feature is posing such a problem. There are two services
> that
>>> help
>>> blind users translate the CAPTCHA codes. Even deaf and blind users
>> can
>>> have
>>> the text transmitted without bothering with the audio. My point here
>> is
>>> not
>>> to turn your concerns away. They are valid, but technology is
>> changing.
>>> To
>>> me it sounds as though you are reluctant to change with it, and in
> the
>>> meantime should we turn away from a free means of earning $250,000
>> just
>>> because we want to prove a point? If we don't take advantage of this
>>> project while it lasts, someone else will, and would you actually
>> argue
>>> that
>>> those other projects are more important than the future potential of
>> our
>>> math and science enthusiasts? These are, after all, the people on
>> whom
>>> we
>>> are relying to build that there car for blind folk. For every minute
>>> you
>>> spent writing your flurry of posts objecting the Pepsi project, you
>>> could
>>> have been spending the time communicating with Pepsi. You're the web
>>> development guy who could have expertly conveyed to them what is
>> needed.
>>> I'm having difficulty feeling empathetic with you on this one.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:12 PM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
>>> ourselves
>>> never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
>>> develop the
>>> technology to enable a blind person to drive a car
>>> independently we should
>>> have the know-how to develop our own social networking services
>>> to serve as
>>> a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
>>> accessible to all.
>>> We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>>> accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>>> Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter and others,
>>>
>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
accessibility
>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
voting,
>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
> can
>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
ourselves
>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
issues.
>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head on.
>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
> phones
>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but that
>> is
>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>
>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible complications,
> I
>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along with
>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
> setting
>> a
>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would never
>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind people
>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
them
>> to
>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
> changed
>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>
>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
> manner
>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with confidence
>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Writers Division web site:
>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>
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>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:44:06 -0400
>>> From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> Message-ID:<4C6EF726.5000207 at epix.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Amen, Judith.
>>>
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>>> Suite 101:
>>> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
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>>> American Chronicle:
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>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/2010 2:03 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
> majority
>>>> or to rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth?
> Life
>>>> is not a game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have
>>>> guessed that blind could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all
>> over
>>>>
>>>
>>>> the world use a cup, charity box or some other kind of vessel to
>>>> collect for their organizations, the needy and the otherwise
>>>> disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a myth or are you going out
>>>> of your way to prove that every negative associated with blindness
>> has
>>>>
>>>
>>>> been successful in portraying the blind since forever? The guy
>>>> standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money
using
>> a
>>>>
>>>
>>>> large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to grow
>>>> up and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priscilla McKinley"
>>>> <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Listers,
>>>>
>>>> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>>> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in
which
>>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>>
>>>> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
it
>>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>>> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
> program,
>>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
> offered
>>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
>> cue
>>>> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response
"cup."
>>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
> and
>>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
>> when
>>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>>>
>>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back to
>>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
> cups
>>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
>> many
>>>> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
>> is
>>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>>
>>>> Priscilla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>>
>>>>> Atty
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>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:45:57 -0400
>>> From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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>>> Well put, Bridget!
>>> Donna
>>>
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>>> On 8/20/2010 2:52 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter and others,
>>>>
>>>> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>>> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
> accessibility
>>>> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>>> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
> voting,
>>>> however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>>> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
>> can
>>>> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>>> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
> ourselves
>>>> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
> issues.
>>>> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
on.
>>>> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>>> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who are
>>>> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
>> phones
>>>> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of the
>>>> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
> that
>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>>>
>>>> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
complications,
>> I
>>>> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
> with
>>>> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>>> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
>> setting
>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
> never
>>>> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
> people
>>>> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
> them
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
>> changed
>>>> after attending Youth Slam.
>>>>
>>>> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
>> manner
>>>> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>>>>
>>> raised,
>>>
>>>> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>>>>
>>> society
>>>
>>>> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
> confidence
>>>> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
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>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:00:04 -0500
>>> From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>>> I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. *smile* As a
>>> person who has had severl fundraisers over the years, including
>>> selling calendars, hot dogs, candy bars, shot glasses, Capitol Steps
>>> tickets, to name just a few, we never had a container sitting on the
>>> table where people could drop money. We would accept donations that
>>> were given to us but that meant the people had to interact in some
>>> way. They couldn't just walk by and ignore us, dropping money in a
>>> jar. They had to talk to us, to hand us the money. Similarly,
> people
>>> who donate online will be at our website and see positive images.
>>> Plus, they have to make a conscious decision to go there. (If
>>> dropping money in a container, some people might not even remember
>>> the name of the group to which they gave money.)
>>>
>>> When I was living on the East Coast and was a member of a chapter
>>> there, we discussed this topic in great detail. We talked about
> blind
>>> beggers in the past and the idea of the tin cup. People would walk
>>> by, dig into their pockets, and put change in the cup, pitying the
>>> blind. As a chapter, we decided to empty our pockets for other
>>> organizations instead. The chapter president gave everyone a plastic
>>> container and told us to drop our change in their over the next
month
>>> and bring the containers back to the next meeting, which was in
>>> November. After receiving the containers and putting it in the
>>> account, the chapter presented the money in check form for an
>>> organization that was providing holiday meals and gifts for
> struggling
>>> families. Instead of taking, we were giving.
>>>
>>> While I'm no expert on this topic, I know how I viewed blindness
>>> before I lost my sight, and I see the same reactions from others
> today
>>> now that I am blind. There are a lot of organizational things that I
>>> don't agree with, but I would agree with Dr. Jernigan that that
image
>>> needs to be changed. Even today, I don't think it has. Like someone
>>> said on here, the car that the blind can drive is supposed to
>>> represent the positives, the future. Well, I believe the cup or
>>> container just sitting there symbolizes the past, the negatives. But
>>> again, that is just one opinion out of many. Perhaps someone should
>>> write a letter to Doctor Maurer so he can read it at one of his
>>> leadership seminars. I'm sure there would be lots of opinions, as
>>> there are for almost every letter read at the seminars.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/10, Joe Orozco<jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a
donation
>>>>
>>> cup, I
>>>
>>>> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>>>>
>>> brochures
>>>
>>>> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>>>> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>>>> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern Strums
>>>> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space for
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
>>>>
>>> public
>>>
>>>> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event
would
>>>>
>>> attract
>>>
>>>> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members. People
>>>> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
>>>>
>>> contrary, one
>>>
>>>> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
>>>>
>>> among
>>>
>>>> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>>>>
>>> group?
>>>
>>>> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
>> presence
>>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also literature
>>>>
>>> about
>>>
>>>> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>>>>
>>> opinion
>>>
>>>> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
>>>>
>>> whether the
>>>
>>>> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction the
>>>>
>>> group
>>>
>>>> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
>>>>
>>> strategy
>>>
>>>> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
>>>>
>>> agencies not
>>>
>>>> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care
> of
>>>>
>>> foster
>>>
>>>> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of
> these
>>>>
>>> people
>>>
>>>> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>>>>
>>> sought.
>>>
>>>> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>>>> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
>> exuding
>>>> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition
of
>>>>
>>> what is
>>>
>>>> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
> and
>>>> arduous road to follow.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>>
>>> sleeves,
>>>
>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
Ewing
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>>>
>>>> Listers,
>>>>
>>>> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>>> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>>> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>>> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>>> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind, including
>>>> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>>> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in
which
>>>> he discusses the tin cup:
>>>>
>>>> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>>> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
it
>>>> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>>> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>>> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>>> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
> program,
>>>> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing at
>>>> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>>> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
> offered
>>>> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
>> cue
>>>> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response
"cup."
>>>> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
> and
>>>> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
>> when
>>>> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>>>
>>>> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back to
>>>> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>>> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
> cups
>>>> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
>> many
>>>> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>>>> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar, which
>> is
>>>> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>>>
>>>> Priscilla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>>>>
>>>>> Atty
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:10:20 -0500
>>> From: "The Crowd"<the_crowd at cox.net>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
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>>>
>>> The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for
change
>>> and
>>> donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same door,
>> with
>>> the
>>> same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>>>
>>> I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put one
> in
>>> mine.
>>>
>>> I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And they
>>> didn't
>>> think that of us.
>>>
>>> Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with things
>>> like,
>>> "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin
and
>>> witch
>>> suckers!"
>>>
>>> Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you
>> support
>>> the
>>> NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>>>
>>> "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
>>> sighted
>>> one!
>>>
>>> So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar sitting
> on
>> a
>>>
>>> table full of informational litature and products to sell and
equates
>> it
>>> to
>>> a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some
way,
>>> has
>>> issues in themselves, blind or not.
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:20:42 -0400
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
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>> why is everyone so negative, aren't we trying to fight the
sterotypes,
>> and
>> encourage blind to use the website and social networking and we do
> have
>> accessible phone we can use as well, that allow you to go online.
>>
>> goodness let's all feel sorry for ourselves and not help our
>> organization
>> out. boo hoo.
>>
>> Geez louise. Enough already.
>>
>> And these are leaders in the NFB that are saying this stuff, way to
> go.
>> How
>> embarrassing!
>>
>> I am an Officer and I try to encourage others on how to do things, I
> was
>>
>> just helping one of my chapter members to do it and she did it.
>>
>> If we can help youth slam, how do we suppose to encourage others to
do
>> it.
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>
>>
>>> Hi Bridget,
>>> I agree with you about isolating ourselves. The whole separate but
>> equal
>>> thing about setting up accessible social networking scares the
>> daylights
>>> out of me. It plays right into the hands of the frightened sighted
>>> public who would rather not have to deal with us. It also keeps us
>> from
>>> interacting in the same arena which our sighted peers have. In
short,
>>> the site might be more accessible to us, but it doesn't make the
>> world
>>> more accessible to us.
>>> Donna
>>>
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>>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
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>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/21/2010 11:01 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>>> > Yes we need to ensure accessibility happens so that everyone has
>> equal
>>> > access to whatever, but if we constantly set up things, whether
> they
>> be
>>> > websites or other avenues, specifically for a certain group,
aren't
>> we
>>> > isolating ourselves from society? People must realize that
> products
>>> > should be accessible for any user, and if a group or company
> refuses
>> to
>>> > do so, then it makes sense to establish our own product, but must
> we
>>> > always create our own products, or can we not continue to work
with
>>> > existing companies and products to find solutions? I will use
>> Facebook
>>> > for an example since this seems to be the name that keeps coming
up
>> in
>>> > the argument, but so many blind people use Facebook with little or
>> no
>>> > problems. Personally I am no fan of Facebook, but where is the
> real
>>> > issue? The NFB and other groups seem to be attempting to address
>> the
>>> > issue as much as they can. Many, many products and websites are
> now
>>> > usable by the blind and we didn't have to spend money to develop
> the
>>> > same thing. I call that smart business! *smile*
>>> >
>>> > Also, there are other disabilities beyond blindness that often
>> require
>>> > accommodations and modifications. Should all cars be drivable off
>> theh
>>> > lot by Little People? Should Spanish and ASL be required for all
>> public
>>> > officials? Should every building be created so that even those
> with
>>> > mobility issues can access it? Of course, but the world does not
>> always
>>> > think from this perspective. We, the disabled, must ensure our own
>>> > accessibility, but we don't have to always start from the ground
> up.
>> We
>>> > can and should work with existing structures which then allow us
to
>> be a
>>> > part of society and not isolating ourselves.
>>> >
>>> > Bridgit
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>>> > Behalf Of stylist-request at nfbnet.org
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>>> > Today's Topics:
>>> >
>>> > 1. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>>> > 2. Re: question about philosophy (Judith Bron)
>>> > 3. social networking and youth slam (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>>> > 4. Re: social networking and youth slam (cheryl echevarria)
>>> > 5. Re: social networking and youth slam (Peter Donahue)
>>> > 6. Re: question about philosophy (Joe Orozco)
>>> > 7. Re: social networking and youth slam (Joe Orozco)
>>> > 8. Re: question about philosophy (Donna Hill)
>>> > 9. Re: social networking and youth slam (Donna Hill)
>>> > 10. Re: question about philosophy (Priscilla McKinley)
>>> > 11. Re: question about philosophy (The Crowd)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>
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>>> >
>>> > Message: 1
>>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:18:22 -0500
>>> > From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> > Message-ID:
>>> > <AANLkTi=ibDnhFaeOSCbO1DGd9N2p5ne0a3ejeU1ZJe5i at mail.gmail.com>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>> >
>>> > Listers,
>>> >
>>> > While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> > sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> > persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> > sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> > struggling for years to change what it means to be blind,
including
>>> > ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> > banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in
> which
>>> > he discusses the tin cup:
>>> >
>>> > ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> > society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
> it
>>> > takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> > popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> > dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> > man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
>> program,
>>> > "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing
at
>>> > secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> > show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
>> offered
>>> > was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
>> cue
>>> > word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response
> "cup."
>>> > There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
>> and
>>> > all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
>> when
>>> > he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>> >
>>> > In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back
to
>>> > those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> > opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
>> cups
>>> > and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
>> many
>>> > people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>> > originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar,
which
>> is
>>> > one reason the term disability is now used.
>>> >
>>> > Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>> >
>>> > Priscilla
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Here here, well said Joe!
>>> >>
>>> >> Atty
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>> >>
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>>> > ley%40gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 2
>>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:03:05 -0400
>>> > From: Judith Bron<jbron at optonline.net>
>>> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> > Message-ID:<004f01cb4091$f07adb10$3302a8c0 at dell5150>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=Windows-1252;
>>> > reply-type=original
>>> >
>>> > Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
>> majority or
>>> > to
>>> > rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth? Life is
>> not a
>>> >
>>> > game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have guessed
>> that
>>> > blind
>>> > could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all over the world use a
>> cup,
>>> >
>>> > charity box or some other kind of vessel to collect for their
>>> > organizations,
>>> > the needy and the otherwise disadvantaged. Are you trying to
> dispel
>> a
>>> > myth
>>> > or are you going out of your way to prove that every negative
>> associated
>>> >
>>> > with blindness has been successful in portraying the blind since
>>> > forever?
>>> > The guy standing on the street during holiday time is collecting
>> money
>>> > using
>>> > a large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to
>> grow
>>> > up
>>> > and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Priscilla McKinley"<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Listers,
>>> >
>>> > While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> > sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> > persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> > sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> > struggling for years to change what it means to be blind,
including
>>> > ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> > banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in
> which
>>> > he discusses the tin cup:
>>> >
>>> > ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> > society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
> it
>>> > takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> > popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> > dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> > man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
>> program,
>>> > "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing
at
>>> > secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> > show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
>> offered
>>> > was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
>> cue
>>> > word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response
> "cup."
>>> > There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
>> and
>>> > all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
>> when
>>> > he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>> >
>>> > In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back
to
>>> > those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> > opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
>> cups
>>> > and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
>> many
>>> > people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>> > originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar,
which
>> is
>>> > one reason the term disability is now used.
>>> >
>>> > Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>> >
>>> > Priscilla
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Here here, well said Joe!
>>> >>
>>> >> Atty
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>> >>
>>> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>
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>>> > ley%40gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >>
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 3
>>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:52:48 -0500
>>> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> > Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP407C91BF2CE029EB8B1FBDC49F0 at phx.gbl>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>> >
>>> > Peter and others,
>>> >
>>> > I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> > accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
>> accessibility
>>> > just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of
Rights.
>>> >
>>> > If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> > understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
>> voting,
>>> > however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> > whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
>> can
>>> > not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> > accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
>> ourselves
>>> > from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
>> issues.
>>> > It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
> on.
>>> > There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> > bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
> are
>>> > blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
>> phones
>>> > can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of
the
>>> > world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
>> that is
>>> > a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>> >
>>> > As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
> complications,
>> I
>>> > must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
>> with
>>> > the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> > amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
>> setting a
>>> > new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
>> never
>>> > have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
>> people
>>> > can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
>> them to
>>> > experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
>> changed
>>> > after attending Youth Slam.
>>> >
>>> > So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
>> manner
>>> > possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>> > no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>> > in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
>> confidence
>>> > and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>> >
>>> > Bridgit
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 4
>>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:05:02 -0400
>>> > From: "cheryl echevarria"<cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> > Message-ID:<BAY110-DS689D8C5F44A944FAC81ECA19F0 at phx.gbl>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>> >
>>> > um the NFB had to sign up to be part of this I think they would
> know
>> if
>>> > this
>>> > is accessible or not since Dr. Maurer did announce it on the
> Monthly
>>> > Presidential Release and that if he could do it anybody could do
> it.
>>> >
>>> > The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>> >
>>> > Cheryl Echevarria
>>> > Independent Travel Consultant
>>> > C10-10646
>>> >
>>> > http://Echevarriatravel.com
>>> > 1-866-580-5574
>>> > skype: angeldn3
>>> >
>>> > Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>>> > CST-1018299-10
>>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and
>> Travel
>>> > Inc.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:52 PM
>>> > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Peter and others,
>>> >>
>>> >> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> >> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
>> accessibility
>>> >> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of
> Rights.
>>> >>
>>> >> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> >> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
>> voting,
>>> >> however, we are going through an established group and must
follow
>>> >> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
>> can
>>> >> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> >> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
>> ourselves
>>> >> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
>> issues.
>>> >> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
>> on.
>>> >> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> >> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
>> are
>>> >> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
>> phones
>>> >> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of
> the
>>> >> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
>> that
>>> >>
>>> > is
>>> >
>>> >> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>> >>
>>> >> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
>> complications, I
>>> >> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
>> with
>>> >> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> >> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
>> setting
>>> >>
>>> > a
>>> >
>>> >> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
>> never
>>> >> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
>> people
>>> >> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
>> them
>>> >>
>>> > to
>>> >
>>> >> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
>> changed
>>> >> after attending Youth Slam.
>>> >>
>>> >> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
>> manner
>>> >> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>>> >>
>>> > raised,
>>> >
>>> >> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>>> >>
>>> > society
>>> >
>>> >> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
>> confidence
>>> >> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>> >>
>>> >> Bridgit
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Writers Division web site:
>>> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>> >>
>>> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>> >
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>> for
>>> >> stylist:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>
>
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>>> > 0hotmail.com
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 5
>>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:11:51 -0500
>>> > From: "Peter Donahue"<pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> > Message-ID:<001701cb409b$8cc76f20$4001a8c0 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>> >
>>> > Hello everyone,
>>> >
>>> > This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
>>> > ourselves
>>> >
>>> > never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
>> develop
>>> > the
>>> > technology to enable a blind person to drive a car independently
we
>>> > should
>>> > have the know-how to develop our own social networking services to
>> serve
>>> > as
>>> > a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
> accessible
>> to
>>> > all.
>>> > We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>>> > accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>>> >
>>> > Peter Donahue
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>>> > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Peter and others,
>>> >
>>> > I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> > accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
>> accessibility
>>> > just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of
Rights.
>>> >
>>> > If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> > understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
>> voting,
>>> > however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> > whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
>> can
>>> > not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> > accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
>> ourselves
>>> > from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
>> issues.
>>> > It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
> on.
>>> > There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> > bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
> are
>>> > blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
>> phones
>>> > can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of
the
>>> > world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
>> that is
>>> > a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>> >
>>> > As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
> complications,
>> I
>>> > must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
>> with
>>> > the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> > amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
>> setting a
>>> > new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
>> never
>>> > have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
>> people
>>> > can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
>> them to
>>> > experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
>> changed
>>> > after attending Youth Slam.
>>> >
>>> > So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
>> manner
>>> > possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>> > no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>> > in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
>> confidence
>>> > and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>> >
>>> > Bridgit
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Writers Division web site:
>>> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>> >
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>> for
>>> > stylist:
>>> >
>>
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>>> > global.net
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 6
>>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:49:34 -0400
>>> > From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> > Message-ID:<94B68AE810DF4C029D6F3DED7019AE2F at Rufus>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>> >
>>> > If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a
> donation
>>> > cup, I
>>> > might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>>> > brochures
>>> > and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>>> > educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>>> > Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern
Strums
>>> > fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space
> for
>> the
>>> > division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
>> public
>>> > venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event
> would
>>> > attract
>>> > the general public in addition to fellow Federation members.
> People
>>> > wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
>> contrary,
>>> > one
>>> > lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
>> among
>>> > other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the blind
>>> > group?
>>> > I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
>> presence
>>> > or
>>> > absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also
literature
>>> > about
>>> > blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change the
>>> > opinion
>>> > of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
>> whether
>>> > the
>>> > group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction
the
>>> > group
>>> > has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
>> strategy
>>> > completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
>> agencies
>>> > not
>>> > use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the care
>> of
>>> > foster
>>> > children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of
>> these
>>> > people
>>> > would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations are
>>> > sought.
>>> > It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>>> > fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
>> exuding
>>> > confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition
> of
>>> > what is
>>> > normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
>> and
>>> > arduous road to follow.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> >
>>> > Joe
>>> >
>>> > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> > sleeves,
>>> > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
> Ewing
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla
McKinley
>>> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> >
>>> > Listers,
>>> >
>>> > While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or cup
>>> > sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> > persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> > sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> > struggling for years to change what it means to be blind,
including
>>> > ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> > banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in
> which
>>> > he discusses the tin cup:
>>> >
>>> > "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> > society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
> it
>>> > takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public and
>>> > popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> > dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless blind
>>> > man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
>> program,
>>> > "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing
at
>>> > secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one such
>>> > show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
>> offered
>>> > was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The next
>> cue
>>> > word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response
> "cup."
>>> > There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
>> and
>>> > all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
>> when
>>> > he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>> >
>>> > In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back
to
>>> > those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> > opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
>> cups
>>> > and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
>> many
>>> > people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>>> > originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar,
which
>> is
>>> > one reason the term disability is now used.
>>> >
>>> > Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>> >
>>> > Priscilla
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Here here, well said Joe!
>>> >>
>>> >> Atty
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 7
>>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:02:18 -0400
>>> > From: "Joe Orozco"<jsorozco at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> > Message-ID:<659A73BDED1248F1B6A150EBB34828E3 at Rufus>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>> >
>>> > Peter,
>>> >
>>> > This is my issue with web accessibility. I don't know that
> everyone
>>> > will
>>> > ever be able to agree on what it means to be accessible, because
>> there
>>> > are
>>> > varying levels of computer skills and screen reader features. So
>> far I
>>> > must
>>> > say you are the only person I've seen complain about the
>> accessibility
>>> > of
>>> > the Pepsi Challenge project, which does not mean your complaint is
>>> > irrelevant. It means there must surely be others who are
>> experiencing
>>> > similar problems, but I have not yet heard a valid reason for why
>> the
>>> > CAPTCHA feature is posing such a problem. There are two services
>> that
>>> > help
>>> > blind users translate the CAPTCHA codes. Even deaf and blind users
>> can
>>> > have
>>> > the text transmitted without bothering with the audio. My point
>> here is
>>> > not
>>> > to turn your concerns away. They are valid, but technology is
>> changing.
>>> > To
>>> > me it sounds as though you are reluctant to change with it, and in
>> the
>>> > meantime should we turn away from a free means of earning $250,000
>> just
>>> > because we want to prove a point? If we don't take advantage of
>> this
>>> > project while it lasts, someone else will, and would you actually
>> argue
>>> > that
>>> > those other projects are more important than the future potential
> of
>> our
>>> > math and science enthusiasts? These are, after all, the people on
>> whom
>>> > we
>>> > are relying to build that there car for blind folk. For every
>> minute
>>> > you
>>> > spent writing your flurry of posts objecting the Pepsi project,
you
>>> > could
>>> > have been spending the time communicating with Pepsi. You're the
>> web
>>> > development guy who could have expertly conveyed to them what is
>> needed.
>>> > I'm having difficulty feeling empathetic with you on this one.
>>> >
>>> > Respectfully,
>>> >
>>> > Joe
>>> >
>>> > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> > sleeves,
>>> > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
> Ewing
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:12 PM
>>> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> >
>>> > Hello everyone,
>>> >
>>> > This also does not mean that we can't just raise the money
>>> > ourselves
>>> > never mind mucking with inaccessible Web resources. If we can
>>> > develop the
>>> > technology to enable a blind person to drive a car
>>> > independently we should
>>> > have the know-how to develop our own social networking services
>>> > to serve as
>>> > a model and to demonstrate how such a service can be made
>>> > accessible to all.
>>> > We don't need Pepsi's money all that badly if our position on Web
>>> > accessibility will be compromised in the process.
>>> >
>>> > Peter Donahue
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"<bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> > To:<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 PM
>>> > Subject: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Peter and others,
>>> >
>>> > I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> > accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
>> accessibility
>>> > just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of
Rights.
>>> >
>>> > If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> > understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
>> voting,
>>> > however, we are going through an established group and must follow
>>> > whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
>> can
>>> > not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> > accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
>> ourselves
>>> > from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
>> issues.
>>> > It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
> on.
>>> > There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> > bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
> are
>>> > blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
>> phones
>>> > can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of
the
>>> > world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
>> that is
>>> > a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>> >
>>> > As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
> complications,
>> I
>>> > must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
>> with
>>> > the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> > amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
>> setting a
>>> > new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
>> never
>>> > have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
>> people
>>> > can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
>> them to
>>> > experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
>> changed
>>> > after attending Youth Slam.
>>> >
>>> > So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
>> manner
>>> > possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>> raised,
>>> > no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>> society
>>> > in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
>> confidence
>>> > and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>> >
>>> > Bridgit
>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>> > e1%40sbcglobal.net
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 8
>>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:44:06 -0400
>>> > From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
>>> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> > Message-ID:<4C6EF726.5000207 at epix.net>
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>>> >
>>> > Amen, Judith.
>>> >
>>> > Read Donna's articles on
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>>> >
>>> > Connect with Donna on
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>>> > Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>>> > Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>>> > www.padnfb.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 8/20/2010 2:03 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Priscilla, Is the goal of the minority to be accepted by the
>> majority
>>> >> or to rid every myth surrounding it from the face of the earth?
>> Life
>>> >> is not a game of password. As a matter of fact, I would not have
>>> >> guessed that blind could be synonymous with a cup. Charities all
>> over
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> the world use a cup, charity box or some other kind of vessel to
>>> >> collect for their organizations, the needy and the otherwise
>>> >> disadvantaged. Are you trying to dispel a myth or are you going
>> out
>>> >> of your way to prove that every negative associated with
blindness
>> has
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> been successful in portraying the blind since forever? The guy
>>> >> standing on the street during holiday time is collecting money
>> using a
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> large kettle, charity box or his bare hand. Tell the bigots to
>> grow
>>> >> up and you keep on fulfilling your goals as a human being. Judith
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priscilla McKinley"
>>> >> <priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> >> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Listers,
>>> >>
>>> >> While I don?t have a problem with donations online, the can or
cup
>>> >> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> >> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> >> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> >> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind,
> including
>>> >> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> >> banquet speech entitled ?Blindness: The Myth and the image? in
>> which
>>> >> he discusses the tin cup:
>>> >>
>>> >> ?How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> >> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
>> it
>>> >> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public
and
>>> >> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> >> dependency and deprivation?images, that is, of the "helpless
blind
>>> >> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
>> program,
>>> >> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing
> at
>>> >> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one
such
>>> >> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
>> offered
>>> >> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The
next
>> cue
>>> >> word given was "blind"?which immediately brought the response
>> "cup."
>>> >> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
>> and
>>> >> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
>> when
>>> >> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!?
>>> >>
>>> >> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can?t go back
> to
>>> >> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> >> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
>> cups
>>> >> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
>> many
>>> >> people in disability studies believe that the term ?handicap?
>>> >> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar,
> which
>> is
>>> >> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>> >>
>>> >> Priscilla
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Atty
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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>>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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>>> >>
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>>> >
>>> > Message: 9
>>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:45:57 -0400
>>> > From: Donna Hill<penatwork at epix.net>
>>> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] social networking and youth slam
>>> > Message-ID:<4C6EF795.4050203 at epix.net>
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>>> >
>>> > Well put, Bridget!
>>> > Donna
>>> >
>>> > Read Donna's articles on
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>>> >
>>> > Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>>> > Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>>> > Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>>> > www.padnfb.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 8/20/2010 2:52 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Peter and others,
>>> >>
>>> >> I understand the frustration of websites that are set up without
>>> >> accessibility in mind, and we must continue to push for
>> accessibility
>>> >> just as the Federation is doing with the Technology Bill of
> Rights.
>>> >>
>>> >> If the NFB were doing this solely on their own, I could better
>>> >> understand the concern for utilizing more accessible means of
>> voting,
>>> >> however, we are going through an established group and must
follow
>>> >> whatever rules and guidelines that are set. This does not mean we
>> can
>>> >> not put a bug in their ear and begin a dialogue over website
>>> >> accessibility, but nonetheless, it also not fair to exclude
>> ourselves
>>> >> from potential fundraising because of potential accessibility
>> issues.
>>> >> It has always been the Federation's stance to charge things head
>> on.
>>> >> There are multiple ways in which to vote, and many have done so,
>>> >> bringing us up from 69 to 19. Plus I know many, many people who
>> are
>>> >> blind and use websites such as Facebook, and of course now that
>> phones
>>> >> can be accessible, they are also texting along with the rest of
> the
>>> >> world. That in and of itself may have global ramifications, but
>> that
>>> >>
>>> > is
>>> >
>>> >> a whole other discussion! *smile*
>>> >>
>>> >> As for the dollar amount not being worth any possible
>> complications, I
>>> >> must disagree. Youth Slam was created to instruct society along
>> with
>>> >> the blind of just what we are capable of. Every year kids have an
>>> >> amazing opportunity to be exposed to ideas and people that are
>> setting
>>> >>
>>> > a
>>> >
>>> >> new standard for us blind. Without Youth Slam, many kids would
>> never
>>> >> have this exposure. It is one thing to tell people that blind
>> people
>>> >> can do things, it is a whole other thing to show them, and allow
>> them
>>> >>
>>> > to
>>> >
>>> >> experience it. I know many young adults whose lives have been
>> changed
>>> >> after attending Youth Slam.
>>> >>
>>> >> So I believe it is worth the trouble to raise funds in whatever
>> manner
>>> >> possible to continue to support programs like Youth Slam. Money
>>> >>
>>> > raised,
>>> >
>>> >> no matter how, is going to change the lives of blind people and
>>> >>
>>> > society
>>> >
>>> >> in the process. The more blind people we can produce with
>> confidence
>>> >> and capability, the better chance we have to change perceptions.
>>> >>
>>> >> Bridgit
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Writers Division web site:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>
>
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>>> >
>>> > Message: 10
>>> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:00:04 -0500
>>> > From: Priscilla McKinley<priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> > Message-ID:
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>>> >
>>> > I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. *smile* As a
>>> > person who has had severl fundraisers over the years, including
>>> > selling calendars, hot dogs, candy bars, shot glasses, Capitol
> Steps
>>> > tickets, to name just a few, we never had a container sitting on
> the
>>> > table where people could drop money. We would accept donations
> that
>>> > were given to us but that meant the people had to interact in some
>>> > way. They couldn't just walk by and ignore us, dropping money in a
>>> > jar. They had to talk to us, to hand us the money. Similarly,
>> people
>>> > who donate online will be at our website and see positive images.
>>> > Plus, they have to make a conscious decision to go there. (If
>>> > dropping money in a container, some people might not even remember
>>> > the name of the group to which they gave money.)
>>> >
>>> > When I was living on the East Coast and was a member of a chapter
>>> > there, we discussed this topic in great detail. We talked about
>> blind
>>> > beggers in the past and the idea of the tin cup. People would walk
>>> > by, dig into their pockets, and put change in the cup, pitying the
>>> > blind. As a chapter, we decided to empty our pockets for other
>>> > organizations instead. The chapter president gave everyone a
>> plastic
>>> > container and told us to drop our change in their over the next
>> month
>>> > and bring the containers back to the next meeting, which was in
>>> > November. After receiving the containers and putting it in the
>>> > account, the chapter presented the money in check form for an
>>> > organization that was providing holiday meals and gifts for
>> struggling
>>> > families. Instead of taking, we were giving.
>>> >
>>> > While I'm no expert on this topic, I know how I viewed blindness
>>> > before I lost my sight, and I see the same reactions from others
>> today
>>> > now that I am blind. There are a lot of organizational things that
>> I
>>> > don't agree with, but I would agree with Dr. Jernigan that that
>> image
>>> > needs to be changed. Even today, I don't think it has. Like
>> someone
>>> > said on here, the car that the blind can drive is supposed to
>>> > represent the positives, the future. Well, I believe the cup or
>>> > container just sitting there symbolizes the past, the negatives.
>> But
>>> > again, that is just one opinion out of many. Perhaps someone
> should
>>> > write a letter to Doctor Maurer so he can read it at one of his
>>> > leadership seminars. I'm sure there would be lots of opinions, as
>>> > there are for almost every letter read at the seminars.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Priscilla
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 8/20/10, Joe Orozco<jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> If the group was just sitting in front of a store holding a
>> donation
>>> >>
>>> > cup, I
>>> >
>>> >> might be bothered. I mean, what a wasted opportunity to pass out
>>> >>
>>> > brochures
>>> >
>>> >> and such. Yet it sounds as though the cup is only a feature of an
>>> >> educational outreach event. For several years I helped the Texas
>>> >> Association of Blind Students organize their annual Southern
> Strums
>>> >> fundraiser at National Convention. Last year there was no space
>> for
>>> >>
>>> > the
>>> >
>>> >> division to hold its event within the hotel. We switched it to a
>>> >>
>>> > public
>>> >
>>> >> venue, and in my eyes this was probably better since the event
>> would
>>> >>
>>> > attract
>>> >
>>> >> the general public in addition to fellow Federation members.
>> People
>>> >> wondered about whether our donations would go down, and on the
>>> >>
>>> > contrary, one
>>> >
>>> >> lady came by and dropped a hundred-dollar check for the division,
>>> >>
>>> > among
>>> >
>>> >> other contributions. Did she donate because she felt for the
> blind
>>> >>
>>> > group?
>>> >
>>> >> I don't know whether she did or not, but I also know that the
>> presence
>>> >>
>>> > or
>>> >
>>> >> absence of a donation cup on a table where there is also
> literature
>>> >>
>>> > about
>>> >
>>> >> blind empowerment is probably not going to dramatically change
the
>>> >>
>>> > opinion
>>> >
>>> >> of the average person walking past. Opinions will not hinge on
>>> >>
>>> > whether the
>>> >
>>> >> group is taking donations but rather on the type of interaction
> the
>>> >>
>>> > group
>>> >
>>> >> has with the people who stop to chat. And, it's a fundraising
>>> >>
>>> > strategy
>>> >
>>> >> completely independent of stereotypes. Do we not think private
>>> >>
>>> > agencies not
>>> >
>>> >> use certain emotional tactics to get people to donate for the
care
>> of
>>> >>
>>> > foster
>>> >
>>> >> children? Military veterans? Cancer patients? I doubt any of
>> these
>>> >>
>>> > people
>>> >
>>> >> would want to inspire pity from the people from whom donations
are
>>> >>
>>> > sought.
>>> >
>>> >> It's the world of nonprofits and more to the point, the realm of
>>> >> fundraising. We'll change minds and automatic associations by
>> exuding
>>> >> confidence, not by attempting to meet every acceptable definition
>> of
>>> >>
>>> > what is
>>> >
>>> >> normal to the general public, because that would indeed be a long
>> and
>>> >> arduous road to follow.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best,
>>> >>
>>> >> Joe
>>> >>
>>> >> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> >>
>>> > sleeves,
>>> >
>>> >> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
>> Ewing
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla
> McKinley
>>> >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:18 PM
>>> >> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> >> Subject: Re: [stylist] question about philosophy
>>> >>
>>> >> Listers,
>>> >>
>>> >> While I don't have a problem with donations online, the can or
cup
>>> >> sitting on a table gives a negative image. Throughout history,
>>> >> persons with disabilities, including blindness, begged for money,
>>> >> sitting on street corners with cans or tin cups. The NFB has been
>>> >> struggling for years to change what it means to be blind,
> including
>>> >> ridding the public of such images. In 1970, Dr. Jernigan gave his
>>> >> banquet speech entitled "Blindness: The Myth and the image" in
>> which
>>> >> he discusses the tin cup:
>>> >>
>>> >> "How does the tragic view of blindness find expression in modern
>>> >> society? I would answer that it takes two forms: among the public
>> it
>>> >> takes one form, and among professionals another. On the public
and
>>> >> popular side, it tends to be conveyed through images of total
>>> >> dependency and deprivation-images, that is, of the "helpless
blind
>>> >> man." A typical recent example occurred on the well-known TV
>> program,
>>> >> "Password," in which a number of contestants take turns guessing
> at
>>> >> secret words through synonyms and verbal associations. On one
such
>>> >> show the key word to be guessed was "cup." The first cue word
>> offered
>>> >> was "tin;" but the guesser failed to make the connection. The
next
>> cue
>>> >> word given was "blind"-which immediately brought the response
>> "cup."
>>> >> There you have it: for all our rehabilitation, all our education,
>> and
>>> >> all our progress, what comes to the mind of the man in the street
>> when
>>> >> he thinks of a blind person is the tin cup of the beggar!"
>>> >>
>>> >> In his speech, Dr. Jernigan goes on to say that we can't go back
> to
>>> >> those times, to those images. We need to move forward. In my
>>> >> opinion, donations are fine, but not charity, which the cans and
>> cups
>>> >> and containers have represented throughout our history. In fact,
>> many
>>> >> people in disability studies believe that the term "handicap"
>>> >> originated from that image, the hand to cap, from the beggar,
> which
>> is
>>> >> one reason the term disability is now used.
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyway, just thought I would share.
>>> >>
>>> >> Priscilla
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 8/20/10, The Crowd<the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Here here, well said Joe!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Atty
>>> >>>
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>>> > Message: 11
>>> > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:10:20 -0500
>>> > From: "The Crowd"<the_crowd at cox.net>
>>> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
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>>> > The last time I worked a meet and greet with a plastic jar for
>> change
>>> > and
>>> > donations, guess what? Right across from us, working the same
door,
>> with
>>> > the
>>> > same jar was the "Make A wish" foundation.
>>> >
>>> > I went over and put a buck in their jar, then they came and put
one
>> in
>>> > mine.
>>> >
>>> > I never once thought, why those lazy begging pethetic kids. And
> they
>>> > didn't
>>> > think that of us.
>>> >
>>> > Especially when you are engaging those folks walking by with
things
>>> > like,
>>> > "Want to buy a flower for Mothers Day? Or "We have ghost, pumpkin
>> and
>>> > witch
>>> > suckers!"
>>> >
>>> > Never once will yu ever hear, "Will you give us money?" "Can you
>> support
>>> > the
>>> > NFB?" "Anything will do!"
>>> >
>>> > "Will work for food!" Oh wait, that's the guy around the corner. A
>>> > sighted
>>> > one!
>>> >
>>> > So I say this, anyone who has a problem with a plastic, jar
sitting
>> on a
>>> >
>>> > table full of informational litature and products to sell and
>> equates it
>>> > to
>>> > a blind beggar, or who feels it being there is demeaning in some
>> way,
>>> > has
>>> > issues in themselves, blind or not.
>>> >
>>> > Atty
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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