[stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST

Judith Bron jbron at optonline.net
Tue May 4 15:04:12 UTC 2010 

Let's not get dramatic Donna.  I started writing in the nineth grade.  Back 
then there were no computers.  My mother censored library books as my 
husband did for my kids after I couldn't read any longer.  It's a new world. 
Parents have enough to do to protect their children.  They bring their young 
children to NFB conventions which are family friendly.  I'm sure they trust 
NFB lists to not post material contrary to their values.  As a parent and 
grandparent, I have to say that it is harder to be a  parent now than it was 
30 years ago.  Then the clerk in the drug store wouldn't sell "Playboy" to a 
child.  Now it takes more than a clerk to shield children and promote the 
values of the family.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST


> Judith,
> It is the responsibility of parents to monitor what their kids experience. 
> If they aren't concerned about shielding their teenagers from online 
> discussions containing things they experience and discuss in their 
> everyday lives, we can't be expected to do that for them. If there is an 
> issue beyond the opinions of members who won't be satisfied unless all 
> questionable material is blocked from the list, it should be for younger 
> children, and I don't feel that this list would interest them let alone 
> meet their needs -- parents of younger kids are more likely to monitor 
> internet use anyway. The rating system Robert has put in place is 
> reasonable. In addition, from a purely academic perspective, I find it 
> amusing that anyone thinks that a writer can't horrify, scare or have a 
> negative impact on a reader's emotions or sensibilities without the use of 
> off-color language and/or explicit descriptions of violence and sex. If we 
> get into advancing the cause of censorship against which writers have 
> struggled throughout human history, we might as well throw down our styli, 
> turn off our screen readers and go for a walk.
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> Judith Bron wrote:
>> Aziza, Obviously this argument isn't going away.  If a teenager opens an 
>> email stating that the material contains explicit descriptions of sex 
>> what do you think the kid will do?  Will he scream, "Mom, can I read 
>> this?"  Will he simply delete it because he knows his mom wouldn't want 
>> him to read it? If his mom tells him not to read it will he read it 
>> anyways?  It doesn't take a genius to figure out those answers.  Do you 
>> think that just because the "Open" minds of an NFB list decided it was 
>> all right no kid was going to read anything not acceptable?  You've made 
>> your decision.  Right or wrong, why is it being rehashed?  Judith
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aziza Cano" 
>> <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST
>>
>>
>>> I agree. Simple warnings should do the trick, and if people choose to 
>>> read on despite the warnings, they accept responsibility for any offense 
>>> the text might cause.
>>> Aziza
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR" 
>>> <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:55 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think the simpler the better, right at the beginning of the e-mail:
>>>> contains strong language;
>>>> contains explicit descriptions of sex;
>>>> contains violence.
>>>>
>>>> we are familiar with the NLS ratings.
>>>>
>>>> not to restrict the thoughtfulness of an author, if he or she has text 
>>>> that a conservative christian might find offensive, a warning like
>>>> "religiously offensive material"
>>>>
>>>> might do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> point is, the one who posts takes responsibility.
>>>> jc
>>>>
>>>> At 04:30 AM 4/29/2010, you wrote:
>>>>> Barbra and Jim and others who would like the warning to read more
>>>>> specifically:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the warning could be more specific. If one of you or a couple or
>>>>> several of you wish to get it worded out (there was an interesting 
>>>>> phrase),
>>>>> then we can ask that it be used. (I was thinking that just may  be 
>>>>> "the
>>>>> next" point needing clarification.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you all- this mailing list can truly be one of our best 
>>>>> resources. And
>>>>> I say "can be," if we respectfully and intelligently make it be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Write on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully yours
>>>>> Robert Leslie Newman
>>>>> President NFB Writers' division
>>>>> Writers' Division Website-
>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>> Personal Website-
>>>>> http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Barbara Hammel
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:23 PM
>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST
>>>>>
>>>>> Just "contains adult content"?  I'd think it more relevant to write
>>>>> "contains strong language" or "contains violence" or "contains 
>>>>> descriptions
>>>>> of sex".  Adult content is pretty broad.  I, personally, might read if 
>>>>> it
>>>>> had two of the statements but not the other.  It's what the Braille 
>>>>> Book
>>>>> Review does so one be informed.
>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>
>>>>> A Congress that will always do its work in the dark must have 
>>>>> something to
>>>>> hide.  The people have spoken, yet they do not listen.
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:44 PM
>>>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST
>>>>>
>>>>> > Division and STYLIST members:
>>>>> > RE: What is allowable to be posted to STYLIST
>>>>> >
>>>>> > as the President of the Division I have made a decision on what
>>>>> types
>>>>> > of writing samples will be allowed to be posted to STYLIST for
>>>>> > critique. This decision has come about after reading all messages
>>>>> > relating to members who were good enough to post their feelings. I
>>>>> > have also consulted the NFB webmaster to get his perspective on
>>>>> rules
>>>>> > that he is aware of , that you and I have not had to know of, until
>>>>> > now.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thus, based upon the general consensus of STYLIST members, and on
>>>>> the
>>>>> > NFB webmaster's  answer that there is not a specific ruling against
>>>>> > allowing the posting of the type of content we have been
>>>>> debating, and
>>>>> > because this Division and this forum is one of our major conduits
>>>>> for
>>>>> > seeking one another's assistance to improve our craft, it is hereby
>>>>> > ruled that members of this list can feel free to now post
>>>>> samplings of
>>>>> > any type of their work for helpful critique. the only requirement is
>>>>> > that you place a warning that the message contains adult content.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Robert Leslie Newman
>>>>> > President NFB Writers' division
>>>>> > Writers' Division Website-
>>>>> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>> > <blocked::http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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