[stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST

Tue May 4 19:33:35 UTC 2010

Well said Donna.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST

> Judith,
> It is the responsibility of parents to monitor what their kids experience. 
> If they aren't concerned about shielding their teenagers from online 
> discussions containing things they experience and discuss in their 
> everyday lives, we can't be expected to do that for them. If there is an 
> issue beyond the opinions of members who won't be satisfied unless all 
> questionable material is blocked from the list, it should be for younger 
> children, and I don't feel that this list would interest them let alone 
> meet their needs -- parents of younger kids are more likely to monitor 
> internet use anyway. The rating system Robert has put in place is 
> reasonable. In addition, from a purely academic perspective, I find it 
> amusing that anyone thinks that a writer can't horrify, scare or have a 
> negative impact on a reader's emotions or sensibilities without the use of 
> off-color language and/or explicit descriptions of violence and sex. If we 
> get into advancing the cause of censorship against which writers have 
> struggled throughout human history, we might as well throw down our styli, 
> turn off our screen readers and go for a walk.
> Donna
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> Judith Bron wrote:
>> Aziza, Obviously this argument isn't going away.  If a teenager opens an 
>> email stating that the material contains explicit descriptions of sex 
>> what do you think the kid will do?  Will he scream, "Mom, can I read 
>> this?"  Will he simply delete it because he knows his mom wouldn't want 
>> him to read it? If his mom tells him not to read it will he read it 
>> anyways?  It doesn't take a genius to figure out those answers.  Do you 
>> think that just because the "Open" minds of an NFB list decided it was 
>> all right no kid was going to read anything not acceptable?  You've made 
>> your decision.  Right or wrong, why is it being rehashed?  Judith
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aziza Cano" 
>> <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST
>>
>>
>>> I agree. Simple warnings should do the trick, and if people choose to 
>>> read on despite the warnings, they accept responsibility for any offense 
>>> the text might cause.
>>> Aziza
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR" 
>>> <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:55 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think the simpler the better, right at the beginning of the e-mail:
>>>> contains strong language;
>>>> contains explicit descriptions of sex;
>>>> contains violence.
>>>>
>>>> we are familiar with the NLS ratings.
>>>>
>>>> not to restrict the thoughtfulness of an author, if he or she has text 
>>>> that a conservative christian might find offensive, a warning like
>>>> "religiously offensive material"
>>>>
>>>> might do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> point is, the one who posts takes responsibility.
>>>> jc
>>>>
>>>> At 04:30 AM 4/29/2010, you wrote:
>>>>> Barbra and Jim and others who would like the warning to read more
>>>>> specifically:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the warning could be more specific. If one of you or a couple or
>>>>> several of you wish to get it worded out (there was an interesting 
>>>>> phrase),
>>>>> then we can ask that it be used. (I was thinking that just may  be 
>>>>> "the
>>>>> next" point needing clarification.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you all- this mailing list can truly be one of our best 
>>>>> resources. And
>>>>> I say "can be," if we respectfully and intelligently make it be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Write on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully yours
>>>>> Robert Leslie Newman
>>>>> President NFB Writers' division
>>>>> Writers' Division Website-
>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>> Personal Website-
>>>>> http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Barbara Hammel
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:23 PM
>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST
>>>>>
>>>>> Just "contains adult content"?  I'd think it more relevant to write
>>>>> "contains strong language" or "contains violence" or "contains 
>>>>> descriptions
>>>>> of sex".  Adult content is pretty broad.  I, personally, might read if 
>>>>> it
>>>>> had two of the statements but not the other.  It's what the Braille 
>>>>> Book
>>>>> Review does so one be informed.
>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>
>>>>> A Congress that will always do its work in the dark must have 
>>>>> something to
>>>>> hide.  The people have spoken, yet they do not listen.
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:44 PM
>>>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST
>>>>>
>>>>> > Division and STYLIST members:
>>>>> > RE: What is allowable to be posted to STYLIST
>>>>> >
>>>>> > as the President of the Division I have made a decision on what
>>>>> types
>>>>> > of writing samples will be allowed to be posted to STYLIST for
>>>>> > critique. This decision has come about after reading all messages
>>>>> > relating to members who were good enough to post their feelings. I
>>>>> > have also consulted the NFB webmaster to get his perspective on
>>>>> rules
>>>>> > that he is aware of , that you and I have not had to know of, until
>>>>> > now.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thus, based upon the general consensus of STYLIST members, and on
>>>>> the
>>>>> > NFB webmaster's  answer that there is not a specific ruling against
>>>>> > allowing the posting of the type of content we have been
>>>>> debating, and
>>>>> > because this Division and this forum is one of our major conduits
>>>>> for
>>>>> > seeking one another's assistance to improve our craft, it is hereby
>>>>> > ruled that members of this list can feel free to now post
>>>>> samplings of
>>>>> > any type of their work for helpful critique. the only requirement is
>>>>> > that you place a warning that the message contains adult content.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Robert Leslie Newman
>>>>> > President NFB Writers' division
>>>>> > Writers' Division Website-
>>>>> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>> > <blocked::http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>> > Personal Website-
>>>>> > http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
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