[stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST

Judith Bron jbron at optonline.net
Tue May 4 22:36:53 UTC 2010 

You must be a pretty special kid.  Some kids can weed out the irrelevant or 
wrong, other kids get into trouble.  The hardest thing for a parent to do is 
call the strikes right all the time.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aziza Cano" <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST


> Aultimately, it is the parent's responsibility to teach the child what is 
> ok and not ok for them to get involved or exposed to. You can't sensor 
> everything. This kind of material is on the internet, on television, in 
> movies, in video games, in books and on poster boards. If your books were 
> sensored then you were lucky, mine weren't, and I've turned out just fine 
> in my oppinion.
> Aziza
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST
>
>
>> Let's not get dramatic Donna.  I started writing in the nineth grade. 
>> Back then there were no computers.  My mother censored library books as 
>> my husband did for my kids after I couldn't read any longer.  It's a new 
>> world. Parents have enough to do to protect their children.  They bring 
>> their young children to NFB conventions which are family friendly.  I'm 
>> sure they trust NFB lists to not post material contrary to their values. 
>> As a parent and grandparent, I have to say that it is harder to be a 
>> parent now than it was 30 years ago.  Then the clerk in the drug store 
>> wouldn't sell "Playboy" to a child.  Now it takes more than a clerk to 
>> shield children and promote the values of the family.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST
>>
>>
>>> Judith,
>>> It is the responsibility of parents to monitor what their kids 
>>> experience. If they aren't concerned about shielding their teenagers 
>>> from online discussions containing things they experience and discuss in 
>>> their everyday lives, we can't be expected to do that for them. If there 
>>> is an issue beyond the opinions of members who won't be satisfied unless 
>>> all questionable material is blocked from the list, it should be for 
>>> younger children, and I don't feel that this list would interest them 
>>> let alone meet their needs -- parents of younger kids are more likely to 
>>> monitor internet use anyway. The rating system Robert has put in place 
>>> is reasonable. In addition, from a purely academic perspective, I find 
>>> it amusing that anyone thinks that a writer can't horrify, scare or have 
>>> a negative impact on a reader's emotions or sensibilities without the 
>>> use of off-color language and/or explicit descriptions of violence and 
>>> sex. If we get into advancing the cause of censorship against which 
>>> writers have struggled throughout human history, we might as well throw 
>>> down our styli, turn off our screen readers and go for a walk.
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>>> Judith Bron wrote:
>>>> Aziza, Obviously this argument isn't going away.  If a teenager opens 
>>>> an email stating that the material contains explicit descriptions of 
>>>> sex what do you think the kid will do?  Will he scream, "Mom, can I 
>>>> read this?"  Will he simply delete it because he knows his mom wouldn't 
>>>> want him to read it? If his mom tells him not to read it will he read 
>>>> it anyways?  It doesn't take a genius to figure out those answers.  Do 
>>>> you think that just because the "Open" minds of an NFB list decided it 
>>>> was all right no kid was going to read anything not acceptable?  You've 
>>>> made your decision.  Right or wrong, why is it being rehashed?  Judith
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aziza Cano" 
>>>> <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I agree. Simple warnings should do the trick, and if people choose to 
>>>>> read on despite the warnings, they accept responsibility for any 
>>>>> offense the text might cause.
>>>>> Aziza
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR" 
>>>>> <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:55 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the simpler the better, right at the beginning of the e-mail:
>>>>>> contains strong language;
>>>>>> contains explicit descriptions of sex;
>>>>>> contains violence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we are familiar with the NLS ratings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> not to restrict the thoughtfulness of an author, if he or she has 
>>>>>> text that a conservative christian might find offensive, a warning 
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> "religiously offensive material"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> might do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> point is, the one who posts takes responsibility.
>>>>>> jc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 04:30 AM 4/29/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>>> Barbra and Jim and others who would like the warning to read more
>>>>>>> specifically:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, the warning could be more specific. If one of you or a couple 
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> several of you wish to get it worded out (there was an interesting 
>>>>>>> phrase),
>>>>>>> then we can ask that it be used. (I was thinking that just may  be 
>>>>>>> "the
>>>>>>> next" point needing clarification.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thank you all- this mailing list can truly be one of our best 
>>>>>>> resources. And
>>>>>>> I say "can be," if we respectfully and intelligently make it be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Write on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Respectfully yours
>>>>>>> Robert Leslie Newman
>>>>>>> President NFB Writers' division
>>>>>>> Writers' Division Website-
>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>>>> Personal Website-
>>>>>>> http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Barbara Hammel
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:23 PM
>>>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just "contains adult content"?  I'd think it more relevant to write
>>>>>>> "contains strong language" or "contains violence" or "contains 
>>>>>>> descriptions
>>>>>>> of sex".  Adult content is pretty broad.  I, personally, might read 
>>>>>>> if it
>>>>>>> had two of the statements but not the other.  It's what the Braille 
>>>>>>> Book
>>>>>>> Review does so one be informed.
>>>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Congress that will always do its work in the dark must have 
>>>>>>> something to
>>>>>>> hide.  The people have spoken, yet they do not listen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:44 PM
>>>>>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [stylist] Ruling on posting adult content to STYLIST
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Division and STYLIST members:
>>>>>>> > RE: What is allowable to be posted to STYLIST
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > as the President of the Division I have made a decision on what
>>>>>>> types
>>>>>>> > of writing samples will be allowed to be posted to STYLIST for
>>>>>>> > critique. This decision has come about after reading all messages
>>>>>>> > relating to members who were good enough to post their feelings. I
>>>>>>> > have also consulted the NFB webmaster to get his perspective on
>>>>>>> rules
>>>>>>> > that he is aware of , that you and I have not had to know of, 
>>>>>>> > until
>>>>>>> > now.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Thus, based upon the general consensus of STYLIST members, and on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > NFB webmaster's  answer that there is not a specific ruling 
>>>>>>> > against
>>>>>>> > allowing the posting of the type of content we have been
>>>>>>> debating, and
>>>>>>> > because this Division and this forum is one of our major conduits
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> > seeking one another's assistance to improve our craft, it is 
>>>>>>> > hereby
>>>>>>> > ruled that members of this list can feel free to now post
>>>>>>> samplings of
>>>>>>> > any type of their work for helpful critique. the only requirement 
>>>>>>> > is
>>>>>>> > that you place a warning that the message contains adult content.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Robert Leslie Newman
>>>>>>> > President NFB Writers' division
>>>>>>> > Writers' Division Website-
>>>>>>> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>>>> > <blocked::http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>>>>>> > Personal Website-
>>>>>>> > http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
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