[stylist] literary fiction, Harry Potter and other nonsense! Smile!
Bridgit Pollpeter
bpollpeter at hotmail.com
Fri Sep 3 19:23:11 UTC 2010
Jo,
I agree that when a writer has a passion for their work, this translates a lot to readers despite any lack of great writing. Many people are published and reach the top of best seller list and, based on technical terms, are not amazing writers.
Look at all the crap on tv nowadays, but we want to judge literature in different terms.
Going beyond Rowling's writing (by this, I mean the actuall process of constructing sentences) her ability to include so much historical and mythiclogical references as well as her ability to foreshadow, is superb. When you read through the books again, you notice all the moments that initially seemed insignificant, but later play a larger part.
Do you mean the Magician's Nephew by Ann Patchett? I have not read that either, but have heard others extol it! *smirk* If that is the book you mean, I did read Bell Canto by the same author and was not a big fan. I appreciated her style and the story, but it is not something I would have read had it not been an assignment.
The Nae of the Wind is different, but good. The down side is that it is the first book in a trilogy, but the author, Patrick Rothfuss, has not released the next installment, and I guess it has been three years already. That is what I hate about series. I hope you enjoy it. You'll have to let me know what you think once you read it. It is avaiable on NLSBARD.
Bridgit
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> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
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> Justin, follow the link in Toni's (who is a woman) original message and it
> will take you to where you can both purchase it right there and learn of
> the media formats that it is available in for purchase.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> how do we get his book, and what format is it in?
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> Sorry guys-
>
> Toni's book is the one that is about using JAWS with Office 2007. (Sorry for
> my assumption that you all would remember that Toni has a couple of books
> out there on JAWS and computer stuff."
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> Thanks for your tolerance..
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> Robert
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> Which book was Miss Toni's; I didn't see a title in the message.
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> Shawn
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> Here is an announcement! Good news for Miss Toni!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Toni [mailto:trfraser at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:32 PM
> To: Toni
> Subject: My Book has been published! NBP - Our Bookstore - Hot off the
> Braille Press
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> Hi all,
> Fantastic News! My book has finally been published! Please check it out at
> the link below! Please forward this information to anyone you feel would be
> interested or could benefit from the book!
>
> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/hot_off.html
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>
> Toni Fraser
> Author!
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> Hey you all! Exciting news, another chance!
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> RE: Let's get on this, now!
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> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] Literary Fiction and HP
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> Bridgit,
>
> My senior seminar professor would have a conniption if he read your
> interpretation of literary fiction, but yes, I completely agree.
>
> I feel Harry Potter is a great work of literature. At first I'm not sure
> that I was buying into all the friggity-wiggerty nonsense of the magical
> kingdom, but you know, even in the first book there is a foreshadowing of
> the serious topics to come. Consider this quotation, which I've never
> forgotten:
>
> "There is no good or evil: only power and those too weak to seek it."
>
> I mean, it still gives me chills, and this was in the first book which is
> arguably the worst in the series.
>
> It wasn't until the third or fourth book that I realized much of her
> material was based on mythology. I can assure you I would never dedicate as
> much patient research to a novel as she did.
>
> Now, Stephenie Meyer's writing is not as good, but whereas J.K. Rowling is a
> superb feast, Meyer is a healthy stew in winter. I'm going to eventually
> read the last book in the Twilight series, but it's more out of curiosity to
> find out what happens more than an uncontrollable urge to figure out what
> happens, if that makes sense. The Twilight books are something to enjoy but
> nothing to fawn over, but the great thing about Meyer is that she knows her
> strengths. She said she included the baseball scene in the first book just
> because it would be a lot of fun to write about it, even though she knows it
> contributes nothing to the plot. I thought that was great! It shows
> genuine love of her work, and I therefore feel more inclined to appreciate
> it at least half as much.
>
> I went and download The Name of the Wind. I hope it lives up to this
> comparison to Potter. I'd previously read this one book called Magician
> something or other, and it sorely disappointed.
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:02 AM
> To: writers division
> Subject: [stylist] (no subject)
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>
> Jo,
>
> Literary fiction, in my opinion, is a bit of a bull shit
> description. Typically it is considered different from genre
> fiction such as detective, romance or western, and it usually
> has a certain style of language and style ascribed to it.
> However, many find it difficult to truly define literary
> fiction and what constitutes as this type of fiction. In basic
> terms, it is fiction that has literary value, but you can see
> where the problem lays in that.
>
> Some examples of literary fiction often are writers such as
> Toni Morrison (who I love) Faulkner and Alice Walker, just off
> the top of my head. Personally I think literary fiction has
> become a way for certain people in the literary world to call
> some types of fiction bad. It is a snob! *smile*
>
> I am not so much asking if HP is literary fiction based on
> social definitions, but rather if Rowling's writing's have any
> true sense of literary value.
>
> I agree with those who commented on Rowling's ability to cross
> genders, races and ages, to grab our attention and keep us
> interested to the end. Whether or not the pratts in the
> publishing world want to give her work true literary merit
> doesn't matter as long as readers are intrigued. Who cares
> about awards and accolades if you don't have readers? And I
> don't mean this in context of money.
>
> Critics are split in half. Some do not believe Harry Potter
> has much literary value despite its popularity, but others feel
> it is well written and deserves to be studied much like C. S.
> Lewis or Tolkien. Goes to show how much perception counts. *smile*
>
>
> Bridgit
>
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> 2. seeing with your tongue (Bridgit Pollpeter)
> 3. Literary Merits in Harry Potter (Bridgit Pollpeter)
> 4. Re: Literary Merits in Harry Potter (Joe Orozco)
> 5. Re: Literary Merits in Harry Potter (loristay at aol.com)
> 6. Re: a better use for tongues (Allison Nastoff)
> 7. Re: Literary Merits in Harry Potter (Aziza C)
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> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:12:20 -0500
> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] FW: My Book has been published! NBP - Our
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> Sorry guys-
>
> Toni's book is the one that is about using JAWS with Office
> 2007. (Sorry for
> my assumption that you all would remember that Toni has a
> couple of books
> out there on JAWS and computer stuff."
>
> Thanks for your tolerance..
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Jacobson, Shawn D
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:25 AM
> To: 'newmanrl at cox.net'; 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [stylist] FW: My Book has been published! NBP -
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> Robert
>
> Which book was Miss Toni's; I didn't see a title in the message.
>
> Shawn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert Leslie Newman
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:54 AM
> To: writers nfb
> Subject: [stylist] FW: My Book has been published! NBP - Our
> Bookstore - Hot
> off the Braille Press
>
> Here is an announcement! Good news for Miss Toni!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Toni [mailto:trfraser at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:32 PM
> To: Toni
> Subject: My Book has been published! NBP - Our Bookstore - Hot off the
> Braille Press
>
> Hi all,
> Fantastic News! My book has finally been published! Please
> check it out at
> the link below! Please forward this information to anyone you
> feel would be
> interested or could benefit from the book!
>
> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/hot_off.html
>
>
> Toni Fraser
> Author!
>
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> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:00:04 -0500
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
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> Jo and Lori and others,
>
> To continue the dialogue in a friendly spirit, I wish to make one
> comment. Higher education, in today's world, is required despite a
> disability or not. Many employers are now seeking applicants with
> masters and even doctorates. My sister and I are college educated, and
> not that I would say we have had an easy time of finding jobs, but we
> tend to have better employment than my other sister and brother who do
> not have any college education.
>
> Unfortunately, the blind have to prove themselves much more and push
> harder to even be considered. This is true, but I disagree that it is
> specific to the blind that a college education brings success. Good
> luck finding a job beyond fast food or casinos without higher education.
>
> FYI, I do not necessarily believe university should be mandatory for
> all. I believe education is important, and it is good to be a
> well-rounded person, but what happened to the days of apprenticeships
> and learning on the job? My uncle learned engineering on the job. He
> never saw a day of university, and he developed a system for the Omaha
> Henry Doorly zoo's aquarium.
>
> Also, I, too, do not recall anyone making a comment suggesting fetus's
> with the potential for disabilities be destroyed. I believe some one
> commented that if all disease and disabilities could be eradicted, that
> would be great, but no fetus killing. It is unfortunate that people
> would want to destroy a human life just because they were disabled,
> although many past cultures practiced this, and some still do. However,
> despite personal beliefs, I think we can reach dangerous ground on this
> subject. Abortion (yes, I dare mention the word) is a touchy subject
> for many, but I do not wish to judge. I know this specific example was
> about aborting fetuses with disabilities, but I still wish to be
> sensitive. I know this issue is huge and many have strong opinions, but
> I choose to put human feelings before political or even religious
> agendas. Nobody get their panties in a bunch here, I'm just saying such
> subjects must be approached carefully and with tack.
>
> I think it is disgusting that people would consider killing a person
> (born or unborn) just because of a disability. However, many face a
> circumstance they do not always know how to deal with, and until you are
> in those shoes, we can not truly say how we would react. Caution is the
> best option when addressing this issue. And I am off my soap box now.
>
> Bridgit
>
> Bridgit
>
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> 3. a better use for tongues (Chris Kuell)
> 4. Re: a better use for tongues (Jacobson, Shawn D)
> 5. FW: My Book has been published! NBP - Our Bookstore - Hot off
> the Braille Press (Robert Leslie Newman)
> 6. Re: a better use for tongues (KajunCutie926 at aol.com)
> 7. Re: FW: My Book has been published! NBP - Our Bookstore - Hot
> off t... (KajunCutie926 at aol.com)
> 8. Re: FW: My Book has been published! NBP - Our Bookstore - Hot
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> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:43:31 -0400
> From: loristay <loristay at aol.com>
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
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> I've been following some of this incredible discussion. ?Here are my
> thoughts.
> First, I have had blind babysitters, and have found them competent.
> ?Second, if a person has always been blind or has adjusted to blindness,
> obtaining sight would give them a huge challenge. ?Third, there are some
> benefits to blindness, providing the blind person has mastered the
> skills of blindness.
> 1. ?Reading in the dark under the covers after lights out
> 2. ?Functioning perfectly well when there is a power outage. ?My husband
> tells me he once stationed himself in his neighborhood and helped
> sighted people find their homes when the east coast was blacked out.
> 3. ?The ability and privilege of assisting other blind people who have
> not adjusted.
> 4. ?Being in the forefront of accessible technology (through the
> Federation)
>
> If he had not been blind, instead of attending college and getting his
> masters, my husband would have had to drop out of high school to support
> the family, the way his siblings did. ?He is the only one of five who
> completed high school and established himself in a career.
>
> There are other things, I suppose. ?The idea of stopping the development
> of a fetus who might be disabled is abominable, and I am surprised at
> the person who suggested it. ?If it had been done, we'd be missing
> Homer, and Milton, and Steven Hawking--Well, maybe not Hawking, though
> killing a disabled fetus and killing a disabled person don't seem that
> different to me!
> Be careful what you suggest. ?You never know who is reading your words.
> Lori
>
> On Aug 27, 2010, at 4:37:38 PM, "Anita Adkins" <aadkins7 at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> From: "Anita Adkins" <aadkins7 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> Date: August 27, 2010 4:37:38 PM EDT
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Hi,
>
> I agree with you. I think it is okay for us to develop technology or for
> us?
> to search for cures for blindness. However, I also believe that we
> should?
> not sit and wait for this to happen, but that we should learn how to?
> function now. So, learning nonvisual techniques and using them on a
> regular?
> basis is essential for all of us to do until the magical cure or
> perfect?
> piece of technology is available. And, I, too, do not know if I would
> want?
> vision if I could have it. I think of all of the crime and such, such
> as?
> people making out in public on a college campus, that I am fortunate
> enough?
> not to witness because of my blindness preventing me from seeing it.
> Also,?
> part of my personality stems from my being blind, and learning to live
> with?
> vision would be a challenge for me. The benefits would be the privelige
> to?
> have others hold high expectations of me. I could be automatically
> trusted?
> to babysit someone's kids, for instance. In saying that, I want to make?
> sure to point out that many people do find me competent, but blindness
> does?
> have its little nuissances simply because people who are sighted do not?
> understand it and are afraid of it. Therefore, they base what the blind
> can?
> do on what they believe they can or cannot do as a blind person. For?
> example, the manager of my apartment building, who regularly witnesses
> me?
> walking to town, doing laundry, keeping house, and the like, concerns?
> herself if something in the hall would present an obstacle for me to
> fall?
> over. The only way for her to build confidence, therefore, is for her
> to?
> actually perform tasks nonvisually. If I were sighted, I would not have
> to?
> deal with the nuissance of her treating me as if I were not a competent?
> traveler. Just some thoughts. Anita
> ----- Original Message -----?
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:40 PM
> Subject: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
>
>
> > Dear list,
> >
> > I am not against research such as this product or any other products.
> I
> > don't think it is wrong for a blind person, whether from birth or
> later
> > in life, to want to experience sight. Sometimes we ostracize people
> who
> > make such comments and believe they are "bad" blind people who have a
> > bad philosophy, but just because some one wishes to "see" does not
> mean
> > they are a bad example of a blind person. I too agree that the world
> is
> > not established for any disabilities, and, though much progress has
> been
> > made, accommodations and modifications can take time and funds not
> > always readily available. So if a disability of any kind can be
> > eliminated, then I say continue the research.
> >
> > Having said all this, I now make this point. I know far too many blind
> > people who hear about such technology and sit and wait for the
> > technology to catch up and become a product ready for the market.
> > Instead of learning the tools and methods currently available to allow
> > independence for the blind, they choose to wait for technology and
> > science to "cure" them.
> >
> > I firmly believe that we must understand that we, as blind people,
> > currently have every chance to be successful and independent. We talk
> > about norms and acceptance, but the real issue is perception. We all
> > know the struggle for society to accept us and embrace our abilities
> > with open, trusting arms, but far to often this is not the case. Many
> > of us have had people doubt our abilities even though we present an
> > independent, confident image. Would it be easier to assimilate into
> the
> > world without a disability, most likely, but again, this is because
> the
> > established norm is based on not having a disability. So are we any
> > closer to having technology or science that eliminates blindness, then
> > we are to changing perceptions about blindness?
> >
> > Personally, and I myself am not sure why I feel this way, do not care
> a
> > whole lot if a "cure" is ever found, and I truly do not know if I
> would
> > take it. Hmmm... To be the only blind person in the world! Think of
> > all the attention I would get! *smile*
> >
> > Seriously though, we need to accept our own capabilities and success
> > whether or not other means eventual will exist allowing for sight. I
> > also don't think it matters what point a person loses their vision, we
> > all can learn and utilize tools and methods like Braille and cane
> travel
> > and be just as efficient, quick and safe as those with sight.
> >
> > So, I'm not against any research, but I also believe we need to
> > understand that sight will not necessarily make life easier, but just
> > different.
> >
> > Bridgit
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. seeing with your tongue (Allison Nastoff)
> > 2. Re: seeing with your tongue (Joe Orozco)
> > 3. Writers' division- August Monthly Telephone Gathering
> > (Robert Leslie Newman)
> > 4. Re: seeing with your tongue (Donna Hill)
> > 5. Re: Word Processing question (slery)
> > 6. Re: seeing with your tongue (cheryl echevarria)
> > 7. Re: seeing with your tongue (Robert Leslie Newman)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:47:45 -0500
> > From: Allison Nastoff <anastoff at wi.rr.com>
> > To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> > Message-ID: <79.27.18983.A59177C4 at hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> > Since this list has been talking about technology that would
> > allow the blind to drive, I thought it would be interesting to
> > start a discussion on a story I saw on yesterday's episode of
> > Good Morning America. The story was about technology being
> > developed that projects images on to the tongue using electrical
> > signals that the blind can feel, which in a sense allows them to
> > "see with their tongue". I hope you don't mind me cross posting
> > this since it was discussed on another NFB list, but since it was
> > off topic for that list, I thought it would be interesting to
> > continue the discussion on this list.
> > I also wanted to get your opinions because when I was in sixth
> > grade, I participated in a research study for this technology at
> > a local college when it was very early in its development. I
> > dropped out of the study after the first year, and maybe in the
> > years since, the technology has improved. But I remember that
> > when I was in the study, the strip that I put on to my tongue
> > extended from a large machine which sent the electrical
> > stimulation to my tongue. This machine was connected to a camera
> > which sent the images to a computer, and a board covered with
> > cloth to create a white background also had to be set up behind
> > the camera. So the point I am trying to make is that this was
> > way too much gear to walk around my kitchen or go rock climbing
> > with the way the blind participants did in this segment. But it
> > also seemed kind of impractical because it was hard to tell what
> > the shapes were, even when it came to braille dots which I read
> > expertly with my fingers, and I know I can locate objects around
> > the kitchen much faster with my fingers. Don't get me wrong.
> > The concept of seeing with your tongue is pretty cool, and I
> > understand how it could be useful for people like the man
> > featured in this video since he went blind as an adult, but since
> > I have been blind all of my life, I wonder if investing in this
> > kind of technology makes sense, or if it would be more beneficial
> > to invest the resources in teaching people to adapt to their
> > blindness with the traditional, and I think more efficient way,
> > using your fingers, ears and nose, or at least invest in
> > technology that restores sight for real, rather than just coming
> > up with some weird inefficient contraption to see with their
> > tongue. What do you all think? Is there anyone else on this list
> > who has participated in research for this kind of technology? If
> > so, what were your feelings about it? I am always interested in
> > getting other people's perspectives about innovations like this.
> > Here is the link to the story.
> > http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/helping-blind-people-tongues-1147
> > 7360
> > Allison Nastoff
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:59:04 -0400
> > From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> > Message-ID: <FFEA8EAB85C54B1F9190B18DE776DFDA at Rufus>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Dude, this for some reason makes me think of Harry Potter. Didn't he
> > speak
> > snake? (grin) No, in all seriousness though, I think people are
> > generally
> > well-intentioned in their desire to introduce technology that could
> help
> > blind people lead more enjoyable lives, but it's up to us to educate
> > them on
> > striking a balance between what would be useful and what would be
> useful
> > and
> > draw unneeded attention. I can't comment on the concept of seeing
> > through
> > tasting, but I do believe that no matter where a blind person is in
> her
> > independence skills, ultimately she would want to be socially
> accepted.
> > That is, after all, the philosophy of the NFB, to adjust to the
> > challenges
> > of our environment. While I am vehemently opposed to the cars for the
> > blind, I would rather we take the initiative than someone else dictate
> > what
> > these cars should look like. In my personal opinion, this is also true
> > of
> > echolocation. It might work for some folks, but even in my socially
> > drunken
> > days you would have never caught me cruising around clucking like a
> > chicken.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> > sleeves,
> > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Allison Nastoff
> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:48 PM
> > To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> > Since this list has been talking about technology that would
> > allow the blind to drive, I thought it would be interesting to
> > start a discussion on a story I saw on yesterday's episode of
> > Good Morning America. The story was about technology being
> > developed that projects images on to the tongue using electrical
> > signals that the blind can feel, which in a sense allows them to
> > "see with their tongue". I hope you don't mind me cross posting
> > this since it was discussed on another NFB list, but since it was
> > off topic for that list, I thought it would be interesting to
> > continue the discussion on this list.
> > I also wanted to get your opinions because when I was in sixth
> > grade, I participated in a research study for this technology at
> > a local college when it was very early in its development. I
> > dropped out of the study after the first year, and maybe in the
> > years since, the technology has improved. But I remember that
> > when I was in the study, the strip that I put on to my tongue
> > extended from a large machine which sent the electrical
> > stimulation to my tongue. This machine was connected to a camera
> > which sent the images to a computer, and a board covered with
> > cloth to create a white background also had to be set up behind
> > the camera. So the point I am trying to make is that this was
> > way too much gear to walk around my kitchen or go rock climbing
> > with the way the blind participants did in this segment. But it
> > also seemed kind of impractical because it was hard to tell what
> > the shapes were, even when it came to braille dots which I read
> > expertly with my fingers, and I know I can locate objects around
> > the kitchen much faster with my fingers. Don't get me wrong.
> > The concept of seeing with your tongue is pretty cool, and I
> > understand how it could be useful for people like the man
> > featured in this video since he went blind as an adult, but since
> > I have been blind all of my life, I wonder if investing in this
> > kind of technology makes sense, or if it would be more beneficial
> > to invest the resources in teaching people to adapt to their
> > blindness with the traditional, and I think more efficient way,
> > using your fingers, ears and nose, or at least invest in
> > technology that restores sight for real, rather than just coming
> > up with some weird inefficient contraption to see with their
> > tongue. What do you all think? Is there anyone else on this list
> > who has participated in research for this kind of technology? If
> > so, what were your feelings about it? I am always interested in
> > getting other people's perspectives about innovations like this.
> > Here is the link to the story.
> > http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/helping-blind-people-tongues-1147
> > 7360
> > Allison Nastoff
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:28:13 -0500
> > From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> > To: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> > Subject: [stylist] Writers' division- August Monthly Telephone
> > Gathering
> > Message-ID: <E5A80E5C7AC343D1942E3E07E2F2C010 at Newmans>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > RE: August Writers' Division's Telephone Gathering- Sunday August 29th
> >
> >
> >
> > this is a reminder- Join in on our monthly telephone gathering and
> > interact
> > with our guest speaker, Dennis H. R. Sumlin, President of the
> Performing
> > Arts Division (PAD).(this guy is also a writer and song writer) Let us
> > learn
> > about the Performing Arts Division; let us ask about what they have to
> > offer; who joins and what performing arts are represented in the
> > Division;
> > how does what we do fit into what PAD's members do; Dennis will answer
> > any
> > of our questions; he will give us information on how PAD is able to be
> > one
> > of the only Divisions to offer a college scholarship; and more.
> >
> >
> >
> > The time is- 8:30 PM Eastern; 7:30 PM Central; 6:30 PM Mountain; 5:30
> PM
> > Pacific.
> >
> >
> >
> > The phone number to call is- 218-339-4300
> >
> >
> >
> > The code is: 568839# (last character is a number sign)
> >
> >
> >
> > (It will be recorded and posted to our website)
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Leslie Newman
> >
> >
> >
> > President NFB Writers' division
> >
> >
> >
> > Writers' Division Website-
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> >
> >
> >
> > Personal Website-
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:49:54 -0400
> > From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> > Message-ID: <4C7727D2.4070406 at epix.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Hi Allison,
> > I think this sort of thing is a double-edged sword. As science, it is
> > fascinating, but I personally have a viseral reaction against it. Even
> > with no heavy equipment, the idea that we would use such a technique,
> > which would seem to have its own social stigma, instead of developing
> > other senses like hearing and touch just seems like a re enforcement
> of
> > the social stereotype that blindness must be so aweful that people
> would
> >
> > jump at something this weird.
> > Just my two cents,
> > Donna
> >
> > Read Donna's articles on
> > Suite 101:
> > www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
> > Ezine Articles:
> > http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
> > American Chronicle:
> > www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
> >
> > Connect with Donna on
> > Twitter:
> > www.twitter.com/dewhill
> > LinkedIn:
> > www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
> > FaceBook:
> > www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
> >
> > Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
> > cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
> > Apple I-Tunes
> >
> phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=25924437
> > 4
> >
> > Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
> > Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
> > Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
> > www.padnfb.org
> >
> >
> > On 8/26/2010 9:47 PM, Allison Nastoff wrote:
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >> Since this list has been talking about technology that would allow
> the
> >
> >> blind to drive, I thought it would be interesting to start a
> >> discussion on a story I saw on yesterday's episode of Good Morning
> >> America. The story was about technology being developed that projects
> >
> >> images on to the tongue using electrical signals that the blind can
> >> feel, which in a sense allows them to "see with their tongue". I hope
> >
> >> you don't mind me cross posting this since it was discussed on
> another
> >
> >> NFB list, but since it was off topic for that list, I thought it
> would
> >
> >> be interesting to continue the discussion on this list.
> >> I also wanted to get your opinions because when I was in sixth grade,
> >> I participated in a research study for this technology at a local
> >> college when it was very early in its development. I dropped out of
> >> the study after the first year, and maybe in the years since, the
> >> technology has improved. But I remember that when I was in the study,
> >
> >> the strip that I put on to my tongue extended from a large machine
> >> which sent the electrical stimulation to my tongue. This machine was
> >> connected to a camera which sent the images to a computer, and a
> board
> >
> >> covered with cloth to create a white background also had to be set up
> >> behind the camera. So the point I am trying to make is that this was
> >> way too much gear to walk around my kitchen or go rock climbing with
> >> the way the blind participants did in this segment. But it also
> >> seemed kind of impractical because it was hard to tell what the
> shapes
> >
> >> were, even when it came to braille dots which I read expertly with my
> >> fingers, and I know I can locate objects around the kitchen much
> >> faster with my fingers. Don't get me wrong. The concept of seeing
> >> with your tongue is pretty cool, and I understand how it could be
> >> useful for people like the man featured in this video since he went
> >> blind as an adult, but since I have been blind all of my life, I
> >> wonder if investing in this kind of technology makes sense, or if it
> >> would be more beneficial to invest the resources in teaching people
> to
> >
> >> adapt to their blindness with the traditional, and I think more
> >> efficient way, using your fingers, ears and nose, or at least invest
> >> in technology that restores sight for real, rather than just coming
> up
> >
> >> with some weird inefficient contraption to see with their tongue.
> >> What do you all think? Is there anyone else on this list who has
> >> participated in research for this kind of technology? If so, what
> were
> >
> >> your feelings about it? I am always interested in getting other
> >> people's perspectives about innovations like this. Here is the link
> >> to the story.
> >> http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/helping-blind-people-tongues-1147
> >> 7360
> >> Allison Nastoff
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Writers Division web site:
> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> >> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> >>
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> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:01:57 -0400
> > From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
> > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] Word Processing question
> > Message-ID: <566ED2B1843D48B394BD8276A5710AD3 at DesktopCindyPC>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Yes, Joe, that is exactly what I am talking about.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:56 AM
> >> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [stylist] Word Processing question
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm not Cindy, but I think she may be talking about the
> >> formatting styles you can access through Word using Shift +
> >> Control + S. There you can pick from a list of formatting
> >> styles and modify their appearance so that they affect the
> >> document across the board where ever that style is used. For
> >> example, I have a title style and a subtitle style. With a
> >> couple keystrokes I can make a part of my text fall into that
> >> style, and later, if I should change my mind about the size,
> >> font, alignment, bold, etc. I can just adjust the style and
> >> have it reflect throughout the document without manual
> >> adjustments. Hope that helps.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up
> >> their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn
> >> up at all."--Sam Ewing
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of slery
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:47 AM
> >> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [stylist] Word Processing question
> >>
> >>
> >> Judith, et al,
> >>
> >> I am a little under the weather at the moment and this
> >> requires a length response to do it. Therefore, I will get
> >> back to the list with
> >> this answer
> >> but not at this moment.
> >>
> >> Cindy
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
> >> > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 11:12 AM
> >> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> >> > Subject: Re: [stylist] Word Processing question
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cindy, How do you set the style? In my manuscript I typed
> >> > the words
> >> > formatting it to indent the first word of the paragraph by
> >> > 0.5 inches. I
> >> > sentered the chapter title like Chapter one. I never heard
> >> > of what you are
> >> > talking about. Can you enlighten us further? Thanks, Judith
> >> > ----- Original Message -----?
> >> > From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
> >> > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:21 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [stylist] Word Processing question
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > The best way, and the way that copyeditors and publishers
> >> > use, are to
> >> > > use styles.
> >> > >
> >> > > Don't format each heading and chapter. Set it to a style,
> >> then when
> >> > > you define the style (or your publisher changes it), it will be
> >> > > applied to all items listed as that style and you don't
> >> > have to change
> >> > > each and every occurrence.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cindy
> >> > >
> >> > >> -----Original Message-----
> >> > >> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> > >> On Behalf Of Judith Bron
> >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:33 PM
> >> > >> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> >> > >> Subject: Re: [stylist] Word Processing question
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Donna, I'm also using word 2003 but Jaws 7.1. I don't have those
> >> > >> problems. I combine chapters into one document all the
> >> time and the
> >> > >> font, point size
> >> > >> and formatting stay the same. Here's one suggestion. Put
> >> > >> all your chapters
> >> > >> into one document. When you have the last one in the
> >> > >> document select the
> >> > >> document, hit control D for font, select the font you want
> >> > >> and go through
> >> > >> and do to each heading whatever you want. Not an optimum
> >> > >> solution, but the
> >> > >> only one I can come up with. HTH, Judith
> >> > >> ----- Original Message -----?
> >> > >> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
> >> > >> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 9:58 PM
> >> > >> Subject: [stylist] Word Processing question
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Hi Guys,
> >> > >> > Here's the thing. I'm trying to make one document of all of my
> >> > >> > chapters. I've done this many times with the same
> >> > frustrations. If
> >> > >> > I
> >> > >> start with
> >> > >> > Chapter 1, put Chapter 2 on the clipboard and paste it into
> >> > >> Chapter 1
> >> > >> > after inserting a page break, one of 2 things happens.
> >> > >> Either the font
> >> > >> > changes from 12 pt. Times New Roman to 10 pt. TMNS (or
> >> > >> something like
> >> > >> > those initials anyway), or the font stays Times New Roman,
> >> > >> but the Chapter
> >> > >> > title, which I had painstakingly bolded, centered and
> >> > >> changed to 14 pt.,
> >> > >> > goes back to 12 pt. regular type and aligned left. It
> >> > >> always involves a
> >> > >> > lot of re formatting.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Is there some easier way to combine documents? I'm using
> >> > Word 2003
> >> > >> > with Jaws 11.
> >> > >> > Thanks,
> >> > >> > Donna
> >> > >> >
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> > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:20:59 -0400
> > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
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> > ----- Original Message -----?
> > From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> >
> >
> >> Hi Allison,
> >> I think this sort of thing is a double-edged sword. As science, it is
> >> fascinating, but I personally have a viseral reaction against it.
> Even
> >> with no heavy equipment, the idea that we would use such a technique,
> >> which would seem to have its own social stigma, instead of developing
> >> other senses like hearing and touch just seems like a re enforcement
> > of
> >> the social stereotype that blindness must be so aweful that people
> > would
> >> jump at something this weird.
> >> Just my two cents,
> >> Donna
> >>
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> >>
> >> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
> >> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
> >> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
> >> www.padnfb.org
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/26/2010 9:47 PM, Allison Nastoff wrote:
> >> > Hi Everyone,
> >> > Since this list has been talking about technology that would allow
> > the
> >> > blind to drive, I thought it would be interesting to start a
> >> > discussion on a story I saw on yesterday's episode of Good Morning
> >> > America. The story was about technology being developed that
> > projects
> >> > images on to the tongue using electrical signals that the blind can
> >> > feel, which in a sense allows them to "see with their tongue". I
> > hope
> >> > you don't mind me cross posting this since it was discussed on
> > another
> >> > NFB list, but since it was off topic for that list, I thought it
> > would
> >> > be interesting to continue the discussion on this list.
> >> > I also wanted to get your opinions because when I was in sixth
> > grade,
> >> > I participated in a research study for this technology at a local
> >> > college when it was very early in its development. I dropped out of
> >> > the study after the first year, and maybe in the years since, the
> >> > technology has improved. But I remember that when I was in the
> > study,
> >> > the strip that I put on to my tongue extended from a large machine
> >> > which sent the electrical stimulation to my tongue. This machine
> > was
> >> > connected to a camera which sent the images to a computer, and a
> > board
> >> > covered with cloth to create a white background also had to be set
> > up
> >> > behind the camera. So the point I am trying to make is that this
> > was
> >> > way too much gear to walk around my kitchen or go rock climbing
> with
> >> > the way the blind participants did in this segment. But it also
> >> > seemed kind of impractical because it was hard to tell what the
> > shapes
> >> > were, even when it came to braille dots which I read expertly with
> > my
> >> > fingers, and I know I can locate objects around the kitchen much
> >> > faster with my fingers. Don't get me wrong. The concept of seeing
> >> > with your tongue is pretty cool, and I understand how it could be
> >> > useful for people like the man featured in this video since he went
> >> > blind as an adult, but since I have been blind all of my life, I
> >> > wonder if investing in this kind of technology makes sense, or if
> it
> >> > would be more beneficial to invest the resources in teaching people
> > to
> >> > adapt to their blindness with the traditional, and I think more
> >> > efficient way, using your fingers, ears and nose, or at least
> invest
> >> > in technology that restores sight for real, rather than just coming
> > up
> >> > with some weird inefficient contraption to see with their tongue.
> >> > What do you all think? Is there anyone else on this list who has
> >> > participated in research for this kind of technology? If so, what
> > were
> >> > your feelings about it? I am always interested in getting other
> >> > people's perspectives about innovations like this. Here is the link
> >> > to the story.
> >> > http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/helping-blind-people-tongues-1147
> >> > 7360
> >> > Allison Nastoff
> >> >
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> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:56:41 -0500
> > From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
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> > On this seeing with your tongue thing. Guess I am of the opinion that
> if
> > there is money out there for research and development of alternative
> > sight,
> > then go for it. And I say this, tongue in cheek, sight is better than
> > being
> > blind. --- Hold on with the storm of thoughts words and recriminations
> > ---
> > I'll just explain my last statement by this super generalizing
> > definition-
> > This world is setup for the sighted and there are fewer hassles if you
> > are
> > sighted. And so in saying that "having sight is better than being
> > blind,"
> > and getting back to the general topic of this thread, I support things
> > like
> > these experimentation "seeing" projects, though many of them will be
> too
> > weird and not functional or practical or acceptable for one or more
> > reasons.
> > Yet, there probably is one or more eventual outcomes that will be
> equal
> > and
> > acceptable to "normal" vision and/or even superior to what we were
> born
> > with. And I also support any research that could prevent the human
> > embryo
> > from developing with a medical and/or physical condition that would
> upon
> > birth be there or develop blindness later in that persons life. And in
> > saying all this, in general I'm saying that I am for eliminating all
> > human
> > abnormalities, be they hereditary or congenital or even cause later in
> > life
> > by accidents (repairing the broken part or replacing it).
> >
> > And so, can we successfully live with blindness? I don't feel I need
> to
> > tell
> > you this answer --- you know it and I know it and most of us believe
> and
> > live it. Again, I am for improving the human experience; which
> includes
> > the
> > personal choice of being blind, if you so choose to be.
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Leslie Newman
> > President- NFB Writers' Division
> > Division Website
> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > Personal Website-
> > http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Allison Nastoff
> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:48 PM
> > To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> > Since this list has been talking about technology that would
> > allow the blind to drive, I thought it would be interesting to
> > start a discussion on a story I saw on yesterday's episode of
> > Good Morning America. The story was about technology being
> > developed that projects images on to the tongue using electrical
> > signals that the blind can feel, which in a sense allows them to
> > "see with their tongue". I hope you don't mind me cross posting
> > this since it was discussed on another NFB list, but since it was
> > off topic for that list, I thought it would be interesting to
> > continue the discussion on this list.
> > I also wanted to get your opinions because when I was in sixth
> > grade, I participated in a research study for this technology at
> > a local college when it was very early in its development. I
> > dropped out of the study after the first year, and maybe in the
> > years since, the technology has improved. But I remember that
> > when I was in the study, the strip that I put on to my tongue
> > extended from a large machine which sent the electrical
> > stimulation to my tongue. This machine was connected to a camera
> > which sent the images to a computer, and a board covered with
> > cloth to create a white background also had to be set up behind
> > the camera. So the point I am trying to make is that this was
> > way too much gear to walk around my kitchen or go rock climbing
> > with the way the blind participants did in this segment. But it
> > also seemed kind of impractical because it was hard to tell what
> > the shapes were, even when it came to braille dots which I read
> > expertly with my fingers, and I know I can locate objects around
> > the kitchen much faster with my fingers. Don't get me wrong.
> > The concept of seeing with your tongue is pretty cool, and I
> > understand how it could be useful for people like the man
> > featured in this video since he went blind as an adult, but since
> > I have been blind all of my life, I wonder if investing in this
> > kind of technology makes sense, or if it would be more beneficial
> > to invest the resources in teaching people to adapt to their
> > blindness with the traditional, and I think more efficient way,
> > using your fingers, ears and nose, or at least invest in
> > technology that restores sight for real, rather than just coming
> > up with some weird inefficient contraption to see with their
> > tongue. What do you all think? Is there anyone else on this list
> > who has participated in research for this kind of technology? If
> > so, what were your feelings about it? I am always interested in
> > getting other people's perspectives about innovations like this.
> > Here is the link to the story.
> > http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/helping-blind-people-tongues-1147
> > 7360
> > Allison Nastoff
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:55:45 -0400
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
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> Lori,
>
> I agree with you. Yet, how boring would it be to go without a little
> discussion? (grin)
>
> The aspects you outline are not benefits of blindness. They are
> adjustment
> strategies. For something to be a benefit, it should inspire someone to
> acquire the status to gain said benefit, and last I checked, people
> weren't
> wishing to be blind.
>
> 1. Reading in the dark is not a direct benefit of being blind, but
> rather, a
> benefit of reading Braille. Sighted people can learn Braille just as
> proficiently and could therefore be just as capable of reading in the
> dark.
>
> 2. Functioning in the midst of a power outage is also an acquired
> adjustment
> strategy. Actually, this is a little like saying blind people are
> better
> off in a situation because they can hear better. It's a perceived
> advantage
> based on misconception.
>
> 3. Helping other people who are still adjusting is not a beneficial
> attribute but rather an empathetic one, since a well-rounded sighted
> person
> could just as easily help people through their acclamation with
> blindness.
>
> 4. How is being affiliated with the NFB putting one at the forefront of
> technology? Last I checked, all the NFB did was review other products
> and
> put out press releases praising or rejecting other developments. There
> does
> not appear to be any actual research and development at the Jernigan
> Institute. You yourself pointed out that even in the case of the blind
> vehicles, the research was being carried out elsewhere.
>
> People like your husband and many others should be commended for their
> educational achievements, but these educational achievements had to be
> reached because there are no other viable alternatives. No one, blind
> or
> sighted, needs higher education to succeed in life, but choosing not to
> pursue higher education significantly closes opportunities for blind
> people
> more than sighted ones. If we're talking benefits, I would argue that
> on
> this point blindness is not a benefit. Given the high price of
> technology
> and the slow method of obtaining access to texts, blindness is actually
> disadvantageous.
>
> As to ceasing the development of a fetus on the grounds that it might be
> disabled, well, not even I can offer a devil's advocate refutation to
> that
> one. I don't remember reading that comment here, but I agree this is
> wrong
> on multiple levels.
>
> Yours in stirring up the kettle spirit,
>
> Joe
>
> ?Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all.?--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of loristay
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:44 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
>
> I've been following some of this incredible discussion. ?Here
> are my thoughts.
> First, I have had blind babysitters, and have found them
> competent. ?Second, if a person has always been blind or has
> adjusted to blindness, obtaining sight would give them a huge
> challenge. ?Third, there are some benefits to blindness,
> providing the blind person has mastered the skills of blindness.
> 1. ?Reading in the dark under the covers after lights out
> 2. ?Functioning perfectly well when there is a power outage. ?
> My husband tells me he once stationed himself in his
> neighborhood and helped sighted people find their homes when
> the east coast was blacked out.
> 3. ?The ability and privilege of assisting other blind people
> who have not adjusted.
> 4. ?Being in the forefront of accessible technology (through
> the Federation)
>
> If he had not been blind, instead of attending college and
> getting his masters, my husband would have had to drop out of
> high school to support the family, the way his siblings did. ?
> He is the only one of five who completed high school and
> established himself in a career.
>
> There are other things, I suppose. ?The idea of stopping the
> development of a fetus who might be disabled is abominable, and
> I am surprised at the person who suggested it. ?If it had been
> done, we'd be missing Homer, and Milton, and Steven
> Hawking--Well, maybe not Hawking, though killing a disabled
> fetus and killing a disabled person don't seem that different to me!
> Be careful what you suggest. ?You never know who is reading your words.
> Lori
>
> On Aug 27, 2010, at 4:37:38 PM, "Anita Adkins"
> <aadkins7 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> From: "Anita Adkins" <aadkins7 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> Date: August 27, 2010 4:37:38 PM EDT
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Hi,
>
> I agree with you. I think it is okay for us to develop
> technology or for us?
> to search for cures for blindness. However, I also believe that
> we should?
> not sit and wait for this to happen, but that we should learn how to?
> function now. So, learning nonvisual techniques and using them
> on a regular?
> basis is essential for all of us to do until the magical cure
> or perfect?
> piece of technology is available. And, I, too, do not know if I
> would want?
> vision if I could have it. I think of all of the crime and
> such, such as?
> people making out in public on a college campus, that I am
> fortunate enough?
> not to witness because of my blindness preventing me from
> seeing it. Also,?
> part of my personality stems from my being blind, and learning
> to live with?
> vision would be a challenge for me. The benefits would be the
> privelige to?
> have others hold high expectations of me. I could be
> automatically trusted?
> to babysit someone's kids, for instance. In saying that, I want to make?
> sure to point out that many people do find me competent, but
> blindness does?
> have its little nuissances simply because people who are sighted do not?
> understand it and are afraid of it. Therefore, they base what
> the blind can?
> do on what they believe they can or cannot do as a blind person. For?
> example, the manager of my apartment building, who regularly
> witnesses me?
> walking to town, doing laundry, keeping house, and the like, concerns?
> herself if something in the hall would present an obstacle for
> me to fall?
> over. The only way for her to build confidence, therefore, is
> for her to?
> actually perform tasks nonvisually. If I were sighted, I would
> not have to?
> deal with the nuissance of her treating me as if I were not a competent?
> traveler. Just some thoughts. Anita
> ----- Original Message -----?
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:40 PM
> Subject: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
>
>
> > Dear list,
> >
> > I am not against research such as this product or any other
> products. I
> > don't think it is wrong for a blind person, whether from
> birth or later
> > in life, to want to experience sight. Sometimes we ostracize
> people who
> > make such comments and believe they are "bad" blind people who have a
> > bad philosophy, but just because some one wishes to "see"
> does not mean
> > they are a bad example of a blind person. I too agree that
> the world is
> > not established for any disabilities, and, though much
> progress has been
> > made, accommodations and modifications can take time and funds not
> > always readily available. So if a disability of any kind can be
> > eliminated, then I say continue the research.
> >
> > Having said all this, I now make this point. I know far too many blind
> > people who hear about such technology and sit and wait for the
> > technology to catch up and become a product ready for the market.
> > Instead of learning the tools and methods currently available to allow
> > independence for the blind, they choose to wait for technology and
> > science to "cure" them.
> >
> > I firmly believe that we must understand that we, as blind people,
> > currently have every chance to be successful and independent. We talk
> > about norms and acceptance, but the real issue is perception. We all
> > know the struggle for society to accept us and embrace our abilities
> > with open, trusting arms, but far to often this is not the case. Many
> > of us have had people doubt our abilities even though we present an
> > independent, confident image. Would it be easier to
> assimilate into the
> > world without a disability, most likely, but again, this is
> because the
> > established norm is based on not having a disability. So are we any
> > closer to having technology or science that eliminates blindness, then
> > we are to changing perceptions about blindness?
> >
> > Personally, and I myself am not sure why I feel this way, do
> not care a
> > whole lot if a "cure" is ever found, and I truly do not know
> if I would
> > take it. Hmmm... To be the only blind person in the world! Think of
> > all the attention I would get! *smile*
> >
> > Seriously though, we need to accept our own capabilities and success
> > whether or not other means eventual will exist allowing for sight. I
> > also don't think it matters what point a person loses their vision, we
> > all can learn and utilize tools and methods like Braille and
> cane travel
> > and be just as efficient, quick and safe as those with sight.
> >
> > So, I'm not against any research, but I also believe we need to
> > understand that sight will not necessarily make life easier, but just
> > different.
> >
> > Bridgit
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
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> > Behalf Of stylist-request at nfbnet.org
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> > To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: stylist Digest, Vol 76, Issue 47
> >
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. seeing with your tongue (Allison Nastoff)
> > 2. Re: seeing with your tongue (Joe Orozco)
> > 3. Writers' division- August Monthly Telephone Gathering
> > (Robert Leslie Newman)
> > 4. Re: seeing with your tongue (Donna Hill)
> > 5. Re: Word Processing question (slery)
> > 6. Re: seeing with your tongue (cheryl echevarria)
> > 7. Re: seeing with your tongue (Robert Leslie Newman)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:47:45 -0500
> > From: Allison Nastoff <anastoff at wi.rr.com>
> > To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> > Message-ID: <79.27.18983.A59177C4 at hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> > Since this list has been talking about technology that would
> > allow the blind to drive, I thought it would be interesting to
> > start a discussion on a story I saw on yesterday's episode of
> > Good Morning America. The story was about technology being
> > developed that projects images on to the tongue using electrical
> > signals that the blind can feel, which in a sense allows them to
> > "see with their tongue". I hope you don't mind me cross posting
> > this since it was discussed on another NFB list, but since it was
> > off topic for that list, I thought it would be interesting to
> > continue the discussion on this list.
> > I also wanted to get your opinions because when I was in sixth
> > grade, I participated in a research study for this technology at
> > a local college when it was very early in its development. I
> > dropped out of the study after the first year, and maybe in the
> > years since, the technology has improved. But I remember that
> > when I was in the study, the strip that I put on to my tongue
> > extended from a large machine which sent the electrical
> > stimulation to my tongue. This machine was connected to a camera
> > which sent the images to a computer, and a board covered with
> > cloth to create a white background also had to be set up behind
> > the camera. So the point I am trying to make is that this was
> > way too much gear to walk around my kitchen or go rock climbing
> > with the way the blind participants did in this segment. But it
> > also seemed kind of impractical because it was hard to tell what
> > the shapes were, even when it came to braille dots which I read
> > expertly with my fingers, and I know I can locate objects around
> > the kitchen much faster with my fingers. Don't get me wrong.
> > The concept of seeing with your tongue is pretty cool, and I
> > understand how it could be useful for people like the man
> > featured in this video since he went blind as an adult, but since
> > I have been blind all of my life, I wonder if investing in this
> > kind of technology makes sense, or if it would be more beneficial
> > to invest the resources in teaching people to adapt to their
> > blindness with the traditional, and I think more efficient way,
> > using your fingers, ears and nose, or at least invest in
> > technology that restores sight for real, rather than just coming
> > up with some weird inefficient contraption to see with their
> > tongue. What do you all think? Is there anyone else on this list
> > who has participated in research for this kind of technology? If
> > so, what were your feelings about it? I am always interested in
> > getting other people's perspectives about innovations like this.
> > Here is the link to the story.
> > http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/helping-blind-people-tongues-1147
> > 7360
> > Allison Nastoff
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:59:04 -0400
> > From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> > Message-ID: <FFEA8EAB85C54B1F9190B18DE776DFDA at Rufus>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Dude, this for some reason makes me think of Harry Potter. Didn't he
> > speak
> > snake? (grin) No, in all seriousness though, I think people are
> > generally
> > well-intentioned in their desire to introduce technology that
> could help
> > blind people lead more enjoyable lives, but it's up to us to educate
> > them on
> > striking a balance between what would be useful and what
> would be useful
> > and
> > draw unneeded attention. I can't comment on the concept of seeing
> > through
> > tasting, but I do believe that no matter where a blind person
> is in her
> > independence skills, ultimately she would want to be socially
> accepted.
> > That is, after all, the philosophy of the NFB, to adjust to the
> > challenges
> > of our environment. While I am vehemently opposed to the cars for the
> > blind, I would rather we take the initiative than someone else dictate
> > what
> > these cars should look like. In my personal opinion, this is also true
> > of
> > echolocation. It might work for some folks, but even in my socially
> > drunken
> > days you would have never caught me cruising around clucking like a
> > chicken.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> > sleeves,
> > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Allison Nastoff
> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:48 PM
> > To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> > Since this list has been talking about technology that would
> > allow the blind to drive, I thought it would be interesting to
> > start a discussion on a story I saw on yesterday's episode of
> > Good Morning America. The story was about technology being
> > developed that projects images on to the tongue using electrical
> > signals that the blind can feel, which in a sense allows them to
> > "see with their tongue". I hope you don't mind me cross posting
> > this since it was discussed on another NFB list, but since it was
> > off topic for that list, I thought it would be interesting to
> > continue the discussion on this list.
> > I also wanted to get your opinions because when I was in sixth
> > grade, I participated in a research study for this technology at
> > a local college when it was very early in its development. I
> > dropped out of the study after the first year, and maybe in the
> > years since, the technology has improved. But I remember that
> > when I was in the study, the strip that I put on to my tongue
> > extended from a large machine which sent the electrical
> > stimulation to my tongue. This machine was connected to a camera
> > which sent the images to a computer, and a board covered with
> > cloth to create a white background also had to be set up behind
> > the camera. So the point I am trying to make is that this was
> > way too much gear to walk around my kitchen or go rock climbing
> > with the way the blind participants did in this segment. But it
> > also seemed kind of impractical because it was hard to tell what
> > the shapes were, even when it came to braille dots which I read
> > expertly with my fingers, and I know I can locate objects around
> > the kitchen much faster with my fingers. Don't get me wrong.
> > The concept of seeing with your tongue is pretty cool, and I
> > understand how it could be useful for people like the man
> > featured in this video since he went blind as an adult, but since
> > I have been blind all of my life, I wonder if investing in this
> > kind of technology makes sense, or if it would be more beneficial
> > to invest the resources in teaching people to adapt to their
> > blindness with the traditional, and I think more efficient way,
> > using your fingers, ears and nose, or at least invest in
> > technology that restores sight for real, rather than just coming
> > up with some weird inefficient contraption to see with their
> > tongue. What do you all think? Is there anyone else on this list
> > who has participated in research for this kind of technology? If
> > so, what were your feelings about it? I am always interested in
> > getting other people's perspectives about innovations like this.
> > Here is the link to the story.
> > http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/helping-blind-people-tongues-1147
> > 7360
> > Allison Nastoff
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Writers Division web site:
> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:28:13 -0500
> > From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> > To: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> > Subject: [stylist] Writers' division- August Monthly Telephone
> > Gathering
> > Message-ID: <E5A80E5C7AC343D1942E3E07E2F2C010 at Newmans>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > RE: August Writers' Division's Telephone Gathering- Sunday August 29th
> >
> >
> >
> > this is a reminder- Join in on our monthly telephone gathering and
> > interact
> > with our guest speaker, Dennis H. R. Sumlin, President of the
> Performing
> > Arts Division (PAD).(this guy is also a writer and song writer) Let us
> > learn
> > about the Performing Arts Division; let us ask about what they have to
> > offer; who joins and what performing arts are represented in the
> > Division;
> > how does what we do fit into what PAD's members do; Dennis will answer
> > any
> > of our questions; he will give us information on how PAD is able to be
> > one
> > of the only Divisions to offer a college scholarship; and more.
> >
> >
> >
> > The time is- 8:30 PM Eastern; 7:30 PM Central; 6:30 PM
> Mountain; 5:30 PM
> > Pacific.
> >
> >
> >
> > The phone number to call is- 218-339-4300
> >
> >
> >
> > The code is: 568839# (last character is a number sign)
> >
> >
> >
> > (It will be recorded and posted to our website)
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Leslie Newman
> >
> >
> >
> > President NFB Writers' division
> >
> >
> >
> > Writers' Division Website-
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> >
> >
> >
> > Personal Website-
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:49:54 -0400
> > From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> > Message-ID: <4C7727D2.4070406 at epix.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Hi Allison,
> > I think this sort of thing is a double-edged sword. As science, it is
> > fascinating, but I personally have a viseral reaction against it. Even
> > with no heavy equipment, the idea that we would use such a technique,
> > which would seem to have its own social stigma, instead of developing
> > other senses like hearing and touch just seems like a re
> enforcement of
> > the social stereotype that blindness must be so aweful that
> people would
> >
> > jump at something this weird.
> > Just my two cents,
> > Donna
> >
> > Read Donna's articles on
> > Suite 101:
> > www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
> > Ezine Articles:
> > http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
> > American Chronicle:
> > www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
> >
> > Connect with Donna on
> > Twitter:
> > www.twitter.com/dewhill
> > LinkedIn:
> > www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
> > FaceBook:
> > www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
> >
> > Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
> > cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
> > Apple I-Tunes
> >
> phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=25924437
> > 4
> >
> > Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
> > Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
> > Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
> > www.padnfb.org
> >
> >
> > On 8/26/2010 9:47 PM, Allison Nastoff wrote:
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >> Since this list has been talking about technology that would
> allow the
> >
> >> blind to drive, I thought it would be interesting to start a
> >> discussion on a story I saw on yesterday's episode of Good Morning
> >> America. The story was about technology being developed that projects
> >
> >> images on to the tongue using electrical signals that the blind can
> >> feel, which in a sense allows them to "see with their tongue". I hope
> >
> >> you don't mind me cross posting this since it was discussed
> on another
> >
> >> NFB list, but since it was off topic for that list, I
> thought it would
> >
> >> be interesting to continue the discussion on this list.
> >> I also wanted to get your opinions because when I was in sixth grade,
> >> I participated in a research study for this technology at a local
> >> college when it was very early in its development. I dropped out of
> >> the study after the first year, and maybe in the years since, the
> >> technology has improved. But I remember that when I was in the study,
> >
> >> the strip that I put on to my tongue extended from a large machine
> >> which sent the electrical stimulation to my tongue. This machine was
> >> connected to a camera which sent the images to a computer,
> and a board
> >
> >> covered with cloth to create a white background also had to be set up
> >> behind the camera. So the point I am trying to make is that this was
> >> way too much gear to walk around my kitchen or go rock climbing with
> >> the way the blind participants did in this segment. But it also
> >> seemed kind of impractical because it was hard to tell what
> the shapes
> >
> >> were, even when it came to braille dots which I read expertly with my
> >> fingers, and I know I can locate objects around the kitchen much
> >> faster with my fingers. Don't get me wrong. The concept of seeing
> >> with your tongue is pretty cool, and I understand how it could be
> >> useful for people like the man featured in this video since he went
> >> blind as an adult, but since I have been blind all of my life, I
> >> wonder if investing in this kind of technology makes sense, or if it
> >> would be more beneficial to invest the resources in teaching
> people to
> >
> >> adapt to their blindness with the traditional, and I think more
> >> efficient way, using your fingers, ears and nose, or at least invest
> >> in technology that restores sight for real, rather than just
> coming up
> >
> >> with some weird inefficient contraption to see with their tongue.
> >> What do you all think? Is there anyone else on this list who has
> >> participated in research for this kind of technology? If so,
> what were
> >
> >> your feelings about it? I am always interested in getting other
> >> people's perspectives about innovations like this. Here is the link
> >> to the story.
> >> http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/helping-blind-people-tongues-1147
> >> 7360
> >> Allison Nastoff
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Writers Division web site:
> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> >> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> >>
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> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:01:57 -0400
> > From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
> > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] Word Processing question
> > Message-ID: <566ED2B1843D48B394BD8276A5710AD3 at DesktopCindyPC>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Yes, Joe, that is exactly what I am talking about.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:56 AM
> >> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [stylist] Word Processing question
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm not Cindy, but I think she may be talking about the
> >> formatting styles you can access through Word using Shift +
> >> Control + S. There you can pick from a list of formatting
> >> styles and modify their appearance so that they affect the
> >> document across the board where ever that style is used. For
> >> example, I have a title style and a subtitle style. With a
> >> couple keystrokes I can make a part of my text fall into that
> >> style, and later, if I should change my mind about the size,
> >> font, alignment, bold, etc. I can just adjust the style and
> >> have it reflect throughout the document without manual
> >> adjustments. Hope that helps.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up
> >> their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn
> >> up at all."--Sam Ewing
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of slery
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:47 AM
> >> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [stylist] Word Processing question
> >>
> >>
> >> Judith, et al,
> >>
> >> I am a little under the weather at the moment and this
> >> requires a length response to do it. Therefore, I will get
> >> back to the list with
> >> this answer
> >> but not at this moment.
> >>
> >> Cindy
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
> >> > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 11:12 AM
> >> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> >> > Subject: Re: [stylist] Word Processing question
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cindy, How do you set the style? In my manuscript I typed
> >> > the words
> >> > formatting it to indent the first word of the paragraph by
> >> > 0.5 inches. I
> >> > sentered the chapter title like Chapter one. I never heard
> >> > of what you are
> >> > talking about. Can you enlighten us further? Thanks, Judith
> >> > ----- Original Message -----?
> >> > From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
> >> > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:21 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [stylist] Word Processing question
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > The best way, and the way that copyeditors and publishers
> >> > use, are to
> >> > > use styles.
> >> > >
> >> > > Don't format each heading and chapter. Set it to a style,
> >> then when
> >> > > you define the style (or your publisher changes it), it will be
> >> > > applied to all items listed as that style and you don't
> >> > have to change
> >> > > each and every occurrence.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cindy
> >> > >
> >> > >> -----Original Message-----
> >> > >> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> > [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> > >> On Behalf Of Judith Bron
> >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:33 PM
> >> > >> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> >> > >> Subject: Re: [stylist] Word Processing question
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Donna, I'm also using word 2003 but Jaws 7.1. I don't have those
> >> > >> problems. I combine chapters into one document all the
> >> time and the
> >> > >> font, point size
> >> > >> and formatting stay the same. Here's one suggestion. Put
> >> > >> all your chapters
> >> > >> into one document. When you have the last one in the
> >> > >> document select the
> >> > >> document, hit control D for font, select the font you want
> >> > >> and go through
> >> > >> and do to each heading whatever you want. Not an optimum
> >> > >> solution, but the
> >> > >> only one I can come up with. HTH, Judith
> >> > >> ----- Original Message -----?
> >> > >> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
> >> > >> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 9:58 PM
> >> > >> Subject: [stylist] Word Processing question
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Hi Guys,
> >> > >> > Here's the thing. I'm trying to make one document of all of my
> >> > >> > chapters. I've done this many times with the same
> >> > frustrations. If
> >> > >> > I
> >> > >> start with
> >> > >> > Chapter 1, put Chapter 2 on the clipboard and paste it into
> >> > >> Chapter 1
> >> > >> > after inserting a page break, one of 2 things happens.
> >> > >> Either the font
> >> > >> > changes from 12 pt. Times New Roman to 10 pt. TMNS (or
> >> > >> something like
> >> > >> > those initials anyway), or the font stays Times New Roman,
> >> > >> but the Chapter
> >> > >> > title, which I had painstakingly bolded, centered and
> >> > >> changed to 14 pt.,
> >> > >> > goes back to 12 pt. regular type and aligned left. It
> >> > >> always involves a
> >> > >> > lot of re formatting.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Is there some easier way to combine documents? I'm using
> >> > Word 2003
> >> > >> > with Jaws 11.
> >> > >> > Thanks,
> >> > >> > Donna
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > --
> >> > >> > Read Donna's articles on
> >> > >> > Suite 101:
> >> > >> > www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
> >> > >> > American Chronicle:
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> >> > >> > Connect with Donna on
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> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project Donna is
> >> Head of Media
> >> > >> > Relations for the nonprofit Performing Arts Division of the
> >> > >> > National
> >> > >> Federation of
> >> > >> > the Blind:
> >> > >> > www.padnfb.org
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:20:59 -0400
> > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> > Message-ID: <BAY110-DS22AD5B495CC953DBB08303A1860 at phx.gbl>
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> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----?
> > From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
> > To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> >
> >
> >> Hi Allison,
> >> I think this sort of thing is a double-edged sword. As science, it is
> >> fascinating, but I personally have a viseral reaction
> against it. Even
> >> with no heavy equipment, the idea that we would use such a technique,
> >> which would seem to have its own social stigma, instead of developing
> >> other senses like hearing and touch just seems like a re enforcement
> > of
> >> the social stereotype that blindness must be so aweful that people
> > would
> >> jump at something this weird.
> >> Just my two cents,
> >> Donna
> >>
> >> Read Donna's articles on
> >> Suite 101:
> >> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
> >> Ezine Articles:
> >> http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
> >> American Chronicle:
> >> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
> >>
> >> Connect with Donna on
> >> Twitter:
> >> www.twitter.com/dewhill
> >> LinkedIn:
> >> www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
> >> FaceBook:
> >> www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
> >>
> >> Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
> >> cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
> >> Apple I-Tunes
> >>
> >
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> > 4
> >>
> >> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
> >> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
> >> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
> >> www.padnfb.org
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/26/2010 9:47 PM, Allison Nastoff wrote:
> >> > Hi Everyone,
> >> > Since this list has been talking about technology that would allow
> > the
> >> > blind to drive, I thought it would be interesting to start a
> >> > discussion on a story I saw on yesterday's episode of Good Morning
> >> > America. The story was about technology being developed that
> > projects
> >> > images on to the tongue using electrical signals that the blind can
> >> > feel, which in a sense allows them to "see with their tongue". I
> > hope
> >> > you don't mind me cross posting this since it was discussed on
> > another
> >> > NFB list, but since it was off topic for that list, I thought it
> > would
> >> > be interesting to continue the discussion on this list.
> >> > I also wanted to get your opinions because when I was in sixth
> > grade,
> >> > I participated in a research study for this technology at a local
> >> > college when it was very early in its development. I dropped out of
> >> > the study after the first year, and maybe in the years since, the
> >> > technology has improved. But I remember that when I was in the
> > study,
> >> > the strip that I put on to my tongue extended from a large machine
> >> > which sent the electrical stimulation to my tongue. This machine
> > was
> >> > connected to a camera which sent the images to a computer, and a
> > board
> >> > covered with cloth to create a white background also had to be set
> > up
> >> > behind the camera. So the point I am trying to make is that this
> > was
> >> > way too much gear to walk around my kitchen or go rock
> climbing with
> >> > the way the blind participants did in this segment. But it also
> >> > seemed kind of impractical because it was hard to tell what the
> > shapes
> >> > were, even when it came to braille dots which I read expertly with
> > my
> >> > fingers, and I know I can locate objects around the kitchen much
> >> > faster with my fingers. Don't get me wrong. The concept of seeing
> >> > with your tongue is pretty cool, and I understand how it could be
> >> > useful for people like the man featured in this video since he went
> >> > blind as an adult, but since I have been blind all of my life, I
> >> > wonder if investing in this kind of technology makes
> sense, or if it
> >> > would be more beneficial to invest the resources in teaching people
> > to
> >> > adapt to their blindness with the traditional, and I think more
> >> > efficient way, using your fingers, ears and nose, or at
> least invest
> >> > in technology that restores sight for real, rather than just coming
> > up
> >> > with some weird inefficient contraption to see with their tongue.
> >> > What do you all think? Is there anyone else on this list who has
> >> > participated in research for this kind of technology? If so, what
> > were
> >> > your feelings about it? I am always interested in getting other
> >> > people's perspectives about innovations like this. Here is the link
> >> > to the story.
> >> > http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/helping-blind-people-tongues-1147
> >> > 7360
> >> > Allison Nastoff
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
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> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:56:41 -0500
> > From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> > Message-ID: <33F7BE1A3D274A40ABD1DCCB94BAE33C at Newmans>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > On this seeing with your tongue thing. Guess I am of the
> opinion that if
> > there is money out there for research and development of alternative
> > sight,
> > then go for it. And I say this, tongue in cheek, sight is better than
> > being
> > blind. --- Hold on with the storm of thoughts words and recriminations
> > ---
> > I'll just explain my last statement by this super generalizing
> > definition-
> > This world is setup for the sighted and there are fewer hassles if you
> > are
> > sighted. And so in saying that "having sight is better than being
> > blind,"
> > and getting back to the general topic of this thread, I support things
> > like
> > these experimentation "seeing" projects, though many of them
> will be too
> > weird and not functional or practical or acceptable for one or more
> > reasons.
> > Yet, there probably is one or more eventual outcomes that
> will be equal
> > and
> > acceptable to "normal" vision and/or even superior to what we
> were born
> > with. And I also support any research that could prevent the human
> > embryo
> > from developing with a medical and/or physical condition that
> would upon
> > birth be there or develop blindness later in that persons life. And in
> > saying all this, in general I'm saying that I am for eliminating all
> > human
> > abnormalities, be they hereditary or congenital or even cause later in
> > life
> > by accidents (repairing the broken part or replacing it).
> >
> > And so, can we successfully live with blindness? I don't feel
> I need to
> > tell
> > you this answer --- you know it and I know it and most of us
> believe and
> > live it. Again, I am for improving the human experience;
> which includes
> > the
> > personal choice of being blind, if you so choose to be.
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Leslie Newman
> > President- NFB Writers' Division
> > Division Website
> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> > Personal Website-
> > http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of Allison Nastoff
> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:48 PM
> > To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [stylist] seeing with your tongue
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> > Since this list has been talking about technology that would
> > allow the blind to drive, I thought it would be interesting to
> > start a discussion on a story I saw on yesterday's episode of
> > Good Morning America. The story was about technology being
> > developed that projects images on to the tongue using electrical
> > signals that the blind can feel, which in a sense allows them to
> > "see with their tongue". I hope you don't mind me cross posting
> > this since it was discussed on another NFB list, but since it was
> > off topic for that list, I thought it would be interesting to
> > continue the discussion on this list.
> > I also wanted to get your opinions because when I was in sixth
> > grade, I participated in a research study for this technology at
> > a local college when it was very early in its development. I
> > dropped out of the study after the first year, and maybe in the
> > years since, the technology has improved. But I remember that
> > when I was in the study, the strip that I put on to my tongue
> > extended from a large machine which sent the electrical
> > stimulation to my tongue. This machine was connected to a camera
> > which sent the images to a computer, and a board covered with
> > cloth to create a white background also had to be set up behind
> > the camera. So the point I am trying to make is that this was
> > way too much gear to walk around my kitchen or go rock climbing
> > with the way the blind participants did in this segment. But it
> > also seemed kind of impractical because it was hard to tell what
> > the shapes were, even when it came to braille dots which I read
> > expertly with my fingers, and I know I can locate objects around
> > the kitchen much faster with my fingers. Don't get me wrong.
> > The concept of seeing with your tongue is pretty cool, and I
> > understand how it could be useful for people like the man
> > featured in this video since he went blind as an adult, but since
> > I have been blind all of my life, I wonder if investing in this
> > kind of technology makes sense, or if it would be more beneficial
> > to invest the resources in teaching people to adapt to their
> > blindness with the traditional, and I think more efficient way,
> > using your fingers, ears and nose, or at least invest in
> > technology that restores sight for real, rather than just coming
> > up with some weird inefficient contraption to see with their
> > tongue. What do you all think? Is there anyone else on this list
> > who has participated in research for this kind of technology? If
> > so, what were your feelings about it? I am always interested in
> > getting other people's perspectives about innovations like this.
> > Here is the link to the story.
> > http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/helping-blind-people-tongues-1147
> > 7360
> > Allison Nastoff
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:32:54 -0400
> From: "Chris Kuell" <ckuell at comcast.net>
> To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>, "Writer's Division Mailing List"
> <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [stylist] a better use for tongues
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> Howdy, folks. I've been lurking for a while, and thought I'd post a 500
> word
> essay I wrote last year on the benefits of blindness. For personal
> reasons,
> I wrote it under my pseudonym, Reid Fleming.
>
> chris
>
>
> The Ten Best Things About Being Blind
>
> By Reid Fleming
>
> I lost my eyesight ten years ago at the age of thirty-two. Along with my
>
> vision, I lost my fianc?e, and my wiener dog Sledge went to that eternal
>
> farm when I was at my lowest. However, I'm happy to report there's a
> good
> side to blindness as well. In fact, I can rattle off ten great things
> about
> being blind easy as pie.
>
> One. The first best thing about being blind is NLS books. You can get
> thousands of books and magazines, on tape or in Braille, delivered to
> your
> home, returned at your leisure-for free. Is America great, or what?
>
> Two. At airports, blind people can board early if they like, and I
> say-why
> not? You get a nice stewardess to show you to your seat before the
> crowds
> come, and there's no worrying about having room in the overhead bin.
> Plus,
> twice I've been bumped up to first class. Sweet.
>
> Three. Related to travel is discount bus fares. I know, if we are ever
> to
> receive full acceptance, we have to pay equally. But, I'm what some
> might
> call frugal, and saving a buck makes me happy.
>
> Four. Using Braille is like being in a selective club where we use a
> secret
> language. In other words, every kid's dream-come-true. I was at a
> meeting
> one time, and this blowhard was blabbering on while I used my Braille
> Lite
> to write-I wish this guy would just shut the hell up. Everybody probably
>
> thought-Oh, look at how interested Reid is, taking notes-what a great
> employee!
>
> Five. Guide dogs are incredible animals, some of the best Dogs on the
> planet-and we can have them almost for free. Think about it-these highly
>
> trained helpers and companions and all you have to do is work, love, and
>
> take care of them.
>
> Six. Here's a fun thing. Next time you're at a party, pick someone out
>
> that you want to meet, and have a friend describe them in detail. Make
> your
> way over and join in on a conversation, and get to know the person a
> little.
> Ask how tall they are, or how old they are, and then say you've
> developed a
> mental picture of them, and describe them exactly. Freaks them out!
>
> Seven. Blind people are not forced to look at all the ugliness in the
> world.
> There's undocumented amounts of garbage and graffiti and dog poop and
> suburban blight out there-and it's not pretty.
>
> Eight. The flip side of that coin is that people all become better
> looking
> than they really are. When I'm talking to someone, I never imagine they
> have
> a boil on their neck, or really crooked teeth, or are having a really
> bad
> hair day-even though they might.
>
> Nine. There's an old clich?-out of sight, out of mind, and it's true.
> What
> cobwebs? What dust? There's nothing wrong with that wallpaper!
>
> Ten. The final reason I like being a blind guy is because I get to hang
> around blind people. Before I went blind, the only other blind person I
> ever
> met was my second-cousin Zebediah, and the court agreement says I can't
> really talk about him. But I've met all kinds of blind people at NFB
> conventions-artists and lawyers and BEP operators and computer
> programmers
> and tattoo artists-and you realize there's nothing that can't be done.
> Just
> work up your courage and figure it out.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:48:07 -0400
> From: "Jacobson, Shawn D" <Shawn.D.Jacobson at hud.gov>
> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List' <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] a better use for tongues
> Message-ID:
>
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>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Chris
>
> I have a couple of other good things about being blind.
>
> First, you don't have to see what you are eating; this comes in great
> when you have kinds and they want Spungebob Mac. & Cheese; you know the
> stuff with the food coloring that's bilious green in color.
>
> Second, when you're blind you don't have to be the designated driver.
>
> Shawn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Chris Kuell
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:33 AM
> To: jsorozco at gmail.com; Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: [stylist] a better use for tongues
>
> Howdy, folks. I've been lurking for a while, and thought I'd post a 500
> word
> essay I wrote last year on the benefits of blindness. For personal
> reasons,
> I wrote it under my pseudonym, Reid Fleming.
>
> chris
>
>
> The Ten Best Things About Being Blind
>
> By Reid Fleming
>
> I lost my eyesight ten years ago at the age of thirty-two. Along with my
>
> vision, I lost my fianc?e, and my wiener dog Sledge went to that eternal
>
> farm when I was at my lowest. However, I'm happy to report there's a
> good
> side to blindness as well. In fact, I can rattle off ten great things
> about
> being blind easy as pie.
>
> One. The first best thing about being blind is NLS books. You can get
> thousands of books and magazines, on tape or in Braille, delivered to
> your
> home, returned at your leisure-for free. Is America great, or what?
>
> Two. At airports, blind people can board early if they like, and I
> say-why
> not? You get a nice stewardess to show you to your seat before the
> crowds
> come, and there's no worrying about having room in the overhead bin.
> Plus,
> twice I've been bumped up to first class. Sweet.
>
> Three. Related to travel is discount bus fares. I know, if we are ever
> to
> receive full acceptance, we have to pay equally. But, I'm what some
> might
> call frugal, and saving a buck makes me happy.
>
> Four. Using Braille is like being in a selective club where we use a
> secret
> language. In other words, every kid's dream-come-true. I was at a
> meeting
> one time, and this blowhard was blabbering on while I used my Braille
> Lite
> to write-I wish this guy would just shut the hell up. Everybody probably
>
> thought-Oh, look at how interested Reid is, taking notes-what a great
> employee!
>
> Five. Guide dogs are incredible animals, some of the best Dogs on the
> planet-and we can have them almost for free. Think about it-these highly
>
> trained helpers and companions and all you have to do is work, love, and
>
> take care of them.
>
> Six. Here's a fun thing. Next time you're at a party, pick someone out
>
> that you want to meet, and have a friend describe them in detail. Make
> your
> way over and join in on a conversation, and get to know the person a
> little.
> Ask how tall they are, or how old they are, and then say you've
> developed a
> mental picture of them, and describe them exactly. Freaks them out!
>
> Seven. Blind people are not forced to look at all the ugliness in the
> world.
> There's undocumented amounts of garbage and graffiti and dog poop and
> suburban blight out there-and it's not pretty.
>
> Eight. The flip side of that coin is that people all become better
> looking
> than they really are. When I'm talking to someone, I never imagine they
> have
> a boil on their neck, or really crooked teeth, or are having a really
> bad
> hair day-even though they might.
>
> Nine. There's an old clich?-out of sight, out of mind, and it's true.
> What
> cobwebs? What dust? There's nothing wrong with that wallpaper!
>
> Ten. The final reason I like being a blind guy is because I get to hang
> around blind people. Before I went blind, the only other blind person I
> ever
> met was my second-cousin Zebediah, and the court agreement says I can't
> really talk about him. But I've met all kinds of blind people at NFB
> conventions-artists and lawyers and BEP operators and computer
> programmers
> and tattoo artists-and you realize there's nothing that can't be done.
> Just
> work up your courage and figure it out.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:53:34 -0500
> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> To: "writers nfb" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [stylist] FW: My Book has been published! NBP - Our Bookstore
> - Hot off the Braille Press
> Message-ID: <1B392F26199C4ED0A1A3578242E0D1AE at Newmans>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Here is an announcement! Good news for Miss Toni!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Toni [mailto:trfraser at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:32 PM
> To: Toni
> Subject: My Book has been published! NBP - Our Bookstore - Hot off the
> Braille Press
>
> Hi all,
> Fantastic News! My book has finally been published! Please check it out
> at
> the link below! Please forward this information to anyone you feel would
> be
> interested or could benefit from the book!
>
> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/hot_off.html
>
>
> Toni Fraser
> Author!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:56:54 EDT
> From: KajunCutie926 at aol.com
> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [stylist] a better use for tongues
> Message-ID: <e74d8.4930caa7.39ae6426 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> I'm loving these... got one too
>
> Perque to being blind... have someone you really are not fond of and
> wouldn't wave to across the room even if you could see? Next time they
> tell you
> 'I waved at you but you must not have seen me".. Nod your head and say
> 'nope, sure didn't'.. who would know for sure right?
>
> I know that's being a brat.. and I'll go to my room now..LOL
>
>
> In a message dated 8/31/2010 8:51:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> Shawn.D.Jacobson at hud.gov writes:
>
> Chris
>
> I have a couple of other good things about being blind.
>
> First, you don't have to see what you are eating; this comes in great
> when
> you have kinds and they want Spungebob Mac. & Cheese; you know the
> stuff
> with the food coloring that's bilious green in color.
>
> Second, when you're blind you don't have to be the designated driver.
>
> Shawn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>
> Behalf Of Chris Kuell
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:33 AM
> To: jsorozco at gmail.com; Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: [stylist] a better use for tongues
>
> Howdy, folks. I've been lurking for a while, and thought I'd post a 500
>
> word
> essay I wrote last year on the benefits of blindness. For personal
> reasons,
> I wrote it under my pseudonym, Reid Fleming.
>
> chris
>
>
> The Ten Best Things About Being Blind
>
> By Reid Fleming
>
> I lost my eyesight ten years ago at the age of thirty-two. Along with
> my
> vision, I lost my fianc?e, and my wiener dog Sledge went to that
> eternal
> farm when I was at my lowest. However, I'm happy to report there's a
> good
> side to blindness as well. In fact, I can rattle off ten great things
> about
> being blind easy as pie.
>
> One. The first best thing about being blind is NLS books. You can get
> thousands of books and magazines, on tape or in Braille, delivered to
> your
> home, returned at your leisure-for free. Is America great, or what?
>
> Two. At airports, blind people can board early if they like, and I
> say-why
> not? You get a nice stewardess to show you to your seat before the
> crowds
> come, and there's no worrying about having room in the overhead bin.
> Plus,
> twice I've been bumped up to first class. Sweet.
>
> Three. Related to travel is discount bus fares. I know, if we are ever
> to
> receive full acceptance, we have to pay equally. But, I'm what some
> might
> call frugal, and saving a buck makes me happy.
>
> Four. Using Braille is like being in a selective club where we use a
> secret
> language. In other words, every kid's dream-come-true. I was at a
> meeting
> one time, and this blowhard was blabbering on while I used my Braille
> Lite
> to write-I wish this guy would just shut the hell up. Everybody probably
>
> thought-Oh, look at how interested Reid is, taking notes-what a great
> employee!
>
> Five. Guide dogs are incredible animals, some of the best Dogs on the
> planet-and we can have them almost for free. Think about it-these
> highly
> trained helpers and companions and all you have to do is work, love,
> and
> take care of them.
>
> Six. Here's a fun thing. Next time you're at a party, pick someone out
> that you want to meet, and have a friend describe them in detail. Make
> your
> way over and join in on a conversation, and get to know the person a
> little.
> Ask how tall they are, or how old they are, and then say you've
> developed
> a
> mental picture of them, and describe them exactly. Freaks them out!
>
> Seven. Blind people are not forced to look at all the ugliness in the
> world.
> There's undocumented amounts of garbage and graffiti and dog poop and
> suburban blight out there-and it's not pretty.
>
> Eight. The flip side of that coin is that people all become better
> looking
> than they really are. When I'm talking to someone, I never imagine they
>
> have
> a boil on their neck, or really crooked teeth, or are having a really
> bad
> hair day-even though they might.
>
> Nine. There's an old clich?-out of sight, out of mind, and it's true.
> What
> cobwebs? What dust? There's nothing wrong with that wallpaper!
>
> Ten. The final reason I like being a blind guy is because I get to hang
>
> around blind people. Before I went blind, the only other blind person I
>
> ever
> met was my second-cousin Zebediah, and the court agreement says I can't
>
> really talk about him. But I've met all kinds of blind people at NFB
> conventions-artists and lawyers and BEP operators and computer
> programmers
> and tattoo artists-and you realize there's nothing that can't be done.
> Just
> work up your courage and figure it out.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Writers Division web site:
> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:58:37 EDT
> From: KajunCutie926 at aol.com
> To: newmanrl at cox.net, stylist at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [stylist] FW: My Book has been published! NBP - Our
> Bookstore - Hot off t...
> Message-ID: <e76d4.2d9437ec.39ae648d at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Great news Toni!!
>
>
> In a message dated 8/31/2010 8:55:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> newmanrl at cox.net writes:
>
> Here is an announcement! Good news for Miss Toni!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Toni [mailto:trfraser at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:32 PM
> To: Toni
> Subject: My Book has been published! NBP - Our Bookstore - Hot off the
> Braille Press
>
> Hi all,
> Fantastic News! My book has finally been published! Please check it out
> at
> the link below! Please forward this information to anyone you feel
> would
> be
> interested or could benefit from the book!
>
> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/hot_off.html
>
>
> Toni Fraser
> Author!
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Writers Division web site:
> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:25:13 -0400
> From: "Jacobson, Shawn D" <Shawn.D.Jacobson at hud.gov>
> To: "'newmanrl at cox.net'" <newmanrl at cox.net>, 'Writer's Division
> Mailing List' <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] FW: My Book has been published! NBP - Our
> Bookstore - Hot off the Braille Press
> Message-ID:
>
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>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Robert
>
> Which book was Miss Toni's; I didn't see a title in the message.
>
> Shawn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert Leslie Newman
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:54 AM
> To: writers nfb
> Subject: [stylist] FW: My Book has been published! NBP - Our Bookstore -
> Hot off the Braille Press
>
> Here is an announcement! Good news for Miss Toni!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Toni [mailto:trfraser at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:32 PM
> To: Toni
> Subject: My Book has been published! NBP - Our Bookstore - Hot off the
> Braille Press
>
> Hi all,
> Fantastic News! My book has finally been published! Please check it out
> at
> the link below! Please forward this information to anyone you feel would
> be
> interested or could benefit from the book!
>
> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/hot_off.html
>
>
> Toni Fraser
> Author!
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Writers Division web site:
> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:16:30 -0500
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [stylist] Literary Merits in Harry Potter
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP202FACD304C99FC2A38D9E6C48A0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hey gang,
>
> To bring a discussion back around to writing and literature, I pose
> something for contemplation.
>
> I recently finished a class (and it was an upper level class) on Harry
> Potter. The instructor, who actually is not a fan of most fantasy,
> designed the course after students complained about not having enough
> special topic courses in literature. The class has grown in popularity
> since its inception and is now offered once a year.
>
> The objective of the class is to bring literary awareness to the series
> through reading and discussing the seven books, creating dialogues
> between classmates involving examples from the text, reading critical
> sources on Rowling and the series, and finally writing a character
> analysis (mine was on Bellatrix Lestrange).
>
> Now, I enjoy Harry Potter and was already a fan who had read many of the
> books more than once before taking the class, but I did not fully
> realize the historical and mythiclogical sources Rowling drew upon to
> write her series. Once I began to study the background of Rowling and
> where she found many of her inspirations, I could not believe the
> magnitutde of what she accomplished. Her series is so intertwined with
> historical and mythiclogical references, it is astounding how
> intelligent Rowling is, and I am impressed by her level of research for
> a young adult series. From the meaning of names, to the use of real
> historical figures, to the existence of imaginative creatures, Rowling
> created a world with characters readers have to come to love and
> identify with.
>
> However, I still wonder if the writing itself suggest a literary genius.
> Clearly it is a good story that millions love, but box office success
> does not always mean writing has literary value. As I read through the
> books again, I found myself irrited with some inconsistencies, and the
> writing at times felt immature. Some of the books are better written
> than others, in my opinion, such as the first book, The Sorceror's
> Stone, and the last book, The Deathly Hallows. Maybe this is because
> less time is spent on teen-age romance, and more focus is placed on the
> central plot. I recently found a quote by Stephan King claiming that
> the difference between Rowling and the author of the Twilight series, is
> that Rowling can write. This is funny to me, and I do agree with it,
> but I still wonder just how great Rowling is.
>
> I enjoy reading Rowling's work, but then I read other young adult
> writers such as Donna Jo Napoli or even C. S. Lewis or Patrick Rothfuss
> (whose book, The Name of the Wind, has been dubbed the adult Harry
> Potter) and I notice a difference in the writing. Rowling does
> foreshadowing and metaphor very well, but I would not refer to her
> writing as literary fiction. Rowling's use of language is simple, and
> many of the sub-plots are immature. She does develop characters well,
> and she provides an element of mystery in all the books. Often, Rowling
> has the ability to evoke emotions too.
>
> So I wonder what others think on this matter. Where do you stand on the
> argument, and what are your feelings. If you stand in favor of Rowling,
> where do you find evidence of this?
>
> Enjoy! *smile*
>
> Bridgit
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:34:25 -0400
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Literary Merits in Harry Potter
> Message-ID: <545F6E130FAF4B89AFFAF568AB632E01 at Rufus>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Remind me again what literary fiction means exactly? I heard
> the concept
> thrown around my English classes but am ashamed to admit I never truly
> understood what it meant. My understanding is that literary
> fiction is its
> own genre, which makes no sense to me. I personally enjoy
> writing for the
> sake of writing. In my mind, I will either develop characters and plots
> well, or I won't. But I guess before I can contribute to the
> discussion, I
> need to be set straight on what it is we're discussing.
>
> Great topic.
>
> Joe
>
> P.S. The Twilight series is not as great as Harry Potter but is
> still good.
> David Andrews admitted to reading it and enjoying it, and I just had to
> check it out for myself after an endorsement from a guy like David...
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up
> their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:17 PM
> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [stylist] Literary Merits in Harry Potter
>
> Hey gang,
>
> To bring a discussion back around to writing and literature, I pose
> something for contemplation.
>
> I recently finished a class (and it was an upper level class) on Harry
> Potter. The instructor, who actually is not a fan of most fantasy,
> designed the course after students complained about not having enough
> special topic courses in literature. The class has grown in popularity
> since its inception and is now offered once a year.
>
> The objective of the class is to bring literary awareness to the series
> through reading and discussing the seven books, creating dialogues
> between classmates involving examples from the text, reading critical
> sources on Rowling and the series, and finally writing a character
> analysis (mine was on Bellatrix Lestrange).
>
> Now, I enjoy Harry Potter and was already a fan who had read many of the
> books more than once before taking the class, but I did not fully
> realize the historical and mythiclogical sources Rowling drew upon to
> write her series. Once I began to study the background of Rowling and
> where she found many of her inspirations, I could not believe the
> magnitutde of what she accomplished. Her series is so intertwined with
> historical and mythiclogical references, it is astounding how
> intelligent Rowling is, and I am impressed by her level of research for
> a young adult series. From the meaning of names, to the use of real
> historical figures, to the existence of imaginative creatures, Rowling
> created a world with characters readers have to come to love and
> identify with.
>
> However, I still wonder if the writing itself suggest a literary genius.
> Clearly it is a good story that millions love, but box office success
> does not always mean writing has literary value. As I read through the
> books again, I found myself irrited with some inconsistencies, and the
> writing at times felt immature. Some of the books are better written
> than others, in my opinion, such as the first book, The Sorceror's
> Stone, and the last book, The Deathly Hallows. Maybe this is because
> less time is spent on teen-age romance, and more focus is placed on the
> central plot. I recently found a quote by Stephan King claiming that
> the difference between Rowling and the author of the Twilight series, is
> that Rowling can write. This is funny to me, and I do agree with it,
> but I still wonder just how great Rowling is.
>
> I enjoy reading Rowling's work, but then I read other young adult
> writers such as Donna Jo Napoli or even C. S. Lewis or Patrick Rothfuss
> (whose book, The Name of the Wind, has been dubbed the adult Harry
> Potter) and I notice a difference in the writing. Rowling does
> foreshadowing and metaphor very well, but I would not refer to her
> writing as literary fiction. Rowling's use of language is simple, and
> many of the sub-plots are immature. She does develop characters well,
> and she provides an element of mystery in all the books.
> Often, Rowling
> has the ability to evoke emotions too.
>
> So I wonder what others think on this matter. Where do you stand on the
> argument, and what are your feelings. If you stand in favor of Rowling,
> where do you find evidence of this?
>
> Enjoy! *smile*
>
> Bridgit
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:45:51 -0400
> From: loristay at aol.com
> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Literary Merits in Harry Potter
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> The one thing you can say about Rowling is that she keeps you
> reading. That's what we all aspire to. No, it's not great
> literature, but then I often quarrel with others opinions about
> what is great and what is not.
> Lori
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:16 pm
> Subject: [stylist] Literary Merits in Harry Potter
>
>
> Hey gang,
>
> To bring a discussion back around to writing and literature, I pose
> something for contemplation.
>
> I recently finished a class (and it was an upper level class) on Harry
> Potter. The instructor, who actually is not a fan of most fantasy,
> designed the course after students complained about not having enough
> special topic courses in literature. The class has grown in popularity
> since its inception and is now offered once a year.
>
> The objective of the class is to bring literary awareness to the series
> through reading and discussing the seven books, creating dialogues
> between classmates involving examples from the text, reading critical
> sources on Rowling and the series, and finally writing a character
> analysis (mine was on Bellatrix Lestrange).
>
> Now, I enjoy Harry Potter and was already a fan who had read many of the
> books more than once before taking the class, but I did not fully
> realize the historical and mythiclogical sources Rowling drew upon to
> write her series. Once I began to study the background of Rowling and
> where she found many of her inspirations, I could not believe the
> magnitutde of what she accomplished. Her series is so intertwined with
> historical and mythiclogical references, it is astounding how
> intelligent Rowling is, and I am impressed by her level of research for
> a young adult series. From the meaning of names, to the use of real
> historical figures, to the existence of imaginative creatures, Rowling
> created a world with characters readers have to come to love and
> identify with.
>
> However, I still wonder if the writing itself suggest a literary genius.
> Clearly it is a good story that millions love, but box office success
> does not always mean writing has literary value. As I read through the
> books again, I found myself irrited with some inconsistencies, and the
> writing at times felt immature. Some of the books are better written
> than others, in my opinion, such as the first book, The Sorceror's
> Stone, and the last book, The Deathly Hallows. Maybe this is because
> less time is spent on teen-age romance, and more focus is placed on the
> central plot. I recently found a quote by Stephan King claiming that
> the difference between Rowling and the author of the Twilight series, is
> that Rowling can write. This is funny to me, and I do agree with it,
> but I still wonder just how great Rowling is.
>
> I enjoy reading Rowling's work, but then I read other young adult
> writers such as Donna Jo Napoli or even C. S. Lewis or Patrick Rothfuss
> (whose book, The Name of the Wind, has been dubbed the adult Harry
> Potter) and I notice a difference in the writing. Rowling does
> foreshadowing and metaphor very well, but I would not refer to her
> writing as literary fiction. Rowling's use of language is simple, and
> many of the sub-plots are immature. She does develop characters well,
> and she provides an element of mystery in all the books. Often, Rowling
> has the ability to evoke emotions too.
>
> So I wonder what others think on this matter. Where do you stand on the
> argument, and what are your feelings. If you stand in favor of Rowling,
> where do you find evidence of this?
>
> Enjoy! *smile*
>
> Bridgit
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 00:00:46 -0500
> From: Allison Nastoff <anastoff at wi.rr.com>
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] a better use for tongues
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>
> Very well said Chris. I agree with you that there are so many
> perks to being blind. One other perk came to mind as I was
> listening to America's Got Talent on television tonight. When it
> comes to talent shows, and music award shows, it always amazes me
> how people will win awards or advance to the next round in a
> competition who are terrible singers, while really good singers
> don't get awards. I wonder if it is because sighted people go
> for people who look good, and don't care as much whether or not
> they sound good. By contrast, when you are blind and cannot see
> what people look like, you are a much better judge of who has
> real talent. If only there were more blind people in the world,
> maybe so many bad songs wouldn't top the radio charts!
> Allison Nastoff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Kuell" <ckuell at comcast.net
> To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>, "Writer's Division Mailing List"
> <stylist at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:32:54 -0400
> Subject: [stylist] a better use for tongues
>
> Howdy, folks. I've been lurking for a while, and thought I'd
> post a 500 word
> essay I wrote last year on the benefits of blindness. For
> personal reasons,
> I wrote it under my pseudonym, Reid Fleming.
>
> chris
>
>
> The Ten Best Things About Being Blind
>
> By Reid Fleming
>
> I lost my eyesight ten years ago at the age of thirty-two. Along
> with my
> vision, I lost my fianc?e, and my wiener dog Sledge went to that
> eternal
> farm when I was at my lowest. However, I'm happy to report
> there's a good
> side to blindness as well. In fact, I can rattle off ten great
> things about
> being blind easy as pie.
>
> One. The first best thing about being blind is NLS books. You
> can get
> thousands of books and magazines, on tape or in Braille,
> delivered to your
> home, returned at your leisure-for free. Is America great, or
> what?
>
> Two. At airports, blind people can board early if they like, and
> I say-why
> not? You get a nice stewardess to show you to your seat before
> the crowds
> come, and there's no worrying about having room in the overhead
> bin. Plus,
> twice I've been bumped up to first class. Sweet.
>
> Three. Related to travel is discount bus fares. I know, if we
> are ever to
> receive full acceptance, we have to pay equally. But, I'm what
> some might
> call frugal, and saving a buck makes me happy.
>
> Four. Using Braille is like being in a selective club where we
> use a secret
> language. In other words, every kid's dream-come-true. I was at
> a meeting
> one time, and this blowhard was blabbering on while I used my
> Braille Lite
> to write-I wish this guy would just shut the hell up. Everybody
> probably
> thought-Oh, look at how interested Reid is, taking notes-what a
> great
> employee!
>
> Five. Guide dogs are incredible animals, some of the best Dogs
> on the
> planet-and we can have them almost for free. Think about
> it-these highly
> trained helpers and companions and all you have to do is work,
> love, and
> take care of them.
>
> Six. Here's a fun thing. Next time you're at a party, pick
> someone out
> that you want to meet, and have a friend describe them in detail.
> Make your
> way over and join in on a conversation, and get to know the
> person a little..
> Ask how tall they are, or how old they are, and then say you've
> developed a
> mental picture of them, and describe them exactly. Freaks them
> out!
>
> Seven. Blind people are not forced to look at all the ugliness
> in the world..
> There's undocumented amounts of garbage and graffiti and dog poop
> and
> suburban blight out there-and it's not pretty.
>
> Eight. The flip side of that coin is that people all become
> better looking
> than they really are. When I'm talking to someone, I never
> imagine they have
> a boil on their neck, or really crooked teeth, or are having a
> really bad
> hair day-even though they might.
>
> Nine. There's an old clich?-out of sight, out of mind, and it's
> true. What
> cobwebs? What dust? There's nothing wrong with that wallpaper!
>
> Ten. The final reason I like being a blind guy is because I get
> to hang
> around blind people. Before I went blind, the only other blind
> person I ever
> met was my second-cousin Zebediah, and the court agreement says I
> can't
> really talk about him. But I've met all kinds of blind people at
> NFB
> conventions-artists and lawyers and BEP operators and computer
> programmers
> and tattoo artists-and you realize there's nothing that can't be
> done. Just
> work up your courage and figure it out.
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:51:37 -0600
> From: "Aziza C" <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com>
> To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>, "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"
> <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Literary Merits in Harry Potter
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I am a little biased. I grew up reading Harry Potter, so in a
> way not only
> is it an amazing series to me, it was a kind of security
> blanket. I started
> reading in second grade, and was a junior in high school when the series
> ended.
>
> I believe Rowling has a unique ability. I haven't studied the
> differences
> between different kinds of fiction, but I have read some books
> that annalize
> the series and its historical references. The historical and
> mythological
> references are intriguing to me, and helped me understand what,
> as a child,
> I took for an amazing imagination. As for her writing ability,
> I am quite
> impressed. Rowling has an ability to draw in readers of all
> ages, which not
> many can do, in my opinion. I think most authors have a
> particular audience
> that they write for, but Rowling found her readers in so many different
> groups. I believe this is do to the amount of suspense, romance, action,
> foreshadowing, and the way she dropped clues, but kept us
> guessing. I also
> think that her writing changed throughout the series to reflect
> the change
> in the characters. It seems to me that her writing aged with Harry.
>
> Just a few thoughts. I do think that Bridget is right, the 7th book was
> amazingly written!
>
> Aziza
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joe Orozco
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:34 PM
> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Literary Merits in Harry Potter
>
> Remind me again what literary fiction means exactly? I heard
> the concept
> thrown around my English classes but am ashamed to admit I never truly
> understood what it meant. My understanding is that literary
> fiction is its
> own genre, which makes no sense to me. I personally enjoy
> writing for the
> sake of writing. In my mind, I will either develop characters and plots
> well, or I won't. But I guess before I can contribute to the
> discussion, I
> need to be set straight on what it is we're discussing.
>
> Great topic.
>
> Joe
>
> P.S. The Twilight series is not as great as Harry Potter but is
> still good.
> David Andrews admitted to reading it and enjoying it, and I just had to
> check it out for myself after an endorsement from a guy like David...
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up
> their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:17 PM
> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [stylist] Literary Merits in Harry Potter
>
> Hey gang,
>
> To bring a discussion back around to writing and literature, I pose
> something for contemplation.
>
> I recently finished a class (and it was an upper level class) on Harry
> Potter. The instructor, who actually is not a fan of most fantasy,
> designed the course after students complained about not having enough
> special topic courses in literature. The class has grown in popularity
> since its inception and is now offered once a year.
>
> The objective of the class is to bring literary awareness to the series
> through reading and discussing the seven books, creating dialogues
> between classmates involving examples from the text, reading critical
> sources on Rowling and the series, and finally writing a character
> analysis (mine was on Bellatrix Lestrange).
>
> Now, I enjoy Harry Potter and was already a fan who had read many of the
> books more than once before taking the class, but I did not fully
> realize the historical and mythiclogical sources Rowling drew upon to
> write her series. Once I began to study the background of Rowling and
> where she found many of her inspirations, I could not believe the
> magnitutde of what she accomplished. Her series is so intertwined with
> historical and mythiclogical references, it is astounding how
> intelligent Rowling is, and I am impressed by her level of research for
> a young adult series. From the meaning of names, to the use of real
> historical figures, to the existence of imaginative creatures, Rowling
> created a world with characters readers have to come to love and
> identify with.
>
> However, I still wonder if the writing itself suggest a literary genius.
> Clearly it is a good story that millions love, but box office success
> does not always mean writing has literary value. As I read through the
> books again, I found myself irrited with some inconsistencies, and the
> writing at times felt immature. Some of the books are better written
> than others, in my opinion, such as the first book, The Sorceror's
> Stone, and the last book, The Deathly Hallows. Maybe this is because
> less time is spent on teen-age romance, and more focus is placed on the
> central plot. I recently found a quote by Stephan King claiming that
> the difference between Rowling and the author of the Twilight series, is
> that Rowling can write. This is funny to me, and I do agree with it,
> but I still wonder just how great Rowling is.
>
> I enjoy reading Rowling's work, but then I read other young adult
> writers such as Donna Jo Napoli or even C. S. Lewis or Patrick Rothfuss
> (whose book, The Name of the Wind, has been dubbed the adult Harry
> Potter) and I notice a difference in the writing. Rowling does
> foreshadowing and metaphor very well, but I would not refer to her
> writing as literary fiction. Rowling's use of language is simple, and
> many of the sub-plots are immature. She does develop characters well,
> and she provides an element of mystery in all the books.
> Often, Rowling
> has the ability to evoke emotions too.
>
> So I wonder what others think on this matter. Where do you stand on the
> argument, and what are your feelings. If you stand in favor of Rowling,
> where do you find evidence of this?
>
> Enjoy! *smile*
>
> Bridgit
> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:04:03 -0400
> From: "Pat Harmon" <pharmon222 at comcast.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] a better use for tongues
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>
> Human beings are remarkable! Our design includes five fabulous
> senses. As
> blind individuals, the sense of sight cannot be denied its
> importance to
> others. We learn to adapt quite successfully, but vision is indeed
> beautiful.
>
> Performers usually pay attention to their appearance so that
> the audience
> enjoys looking at them. I believe that is necessary. In
> addition, blind
> performers must also look good to compete on an equal basis.
>
> Those of us who once had vision maintain "visual memory" to
> improve some
> blindness techniques. These include color use and body
> awareness. Those
> blind from birth must learn about these in other ways. No
> matter who we are
> and what our challenges, it is intelligent to use all we bring to daily
> life. I think that makes us happy, blind or sighted.
>
> I adore the ocean and fashion. Visual memory allows me to
> celebrate their
> roles in my life today. I love country music, but I also want
> to know if he
> is wearing jeans with holes or a wrinkled plaid shirt!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allison Nastoff" <anastoff at wi.rr.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] a better use for tongues
>
>
> Very well said Chris. I agree with you that there are so many
> perks to being blind. One other perk came to mind as I was
> listening to America's Got Talent on television tonight. When it
> comes to talent shows, and music award shows, it always amazes me
> how people will win awards or advance to the next round in a
> competition who are terrible singers, while really good singers
> don't get awards. I wonder if it is because sighted people go
> for people who look good, and don't care as much whether or not
> they sound good. By contrast, when you are blind and cannot see
> what people look like, you are a much better judge of who has
> real talent. If only there were more blind people in the world,
> maybe so many bad songs wouldn't top the radio charts!
> Allison Nastoff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Kuell" <ckuell at comcast.net
> To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>, "Writer's Division Mailing List"
> <stylist at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:32:54 -0400
> Subject: [stylist] a better use for tongues
>
> Howdy, folks. I've been lurking for a while, and thought I'd
> post a 500 word
> essay I wrote last year on the benefits of blindness. For
> personal reasons,
> I wrote it under my pseudonym, Reid Fleming.
>
> chris
>
>
> The Ten Best Things About Being Blind
>
> By Reid Fleming
>
> I lost my eyesight ten years ago at the age of thirty-two. Along
> with my
> vision, I lost my fianc?e, and my wiener dog Sledge went to that
> eternal
> farm when I was at my lowest. However, I'm happy to report
> there's a good
> side to blindness as well. In fact, I can rattle off ten great
> things about
> being blind easy as pie.
>
> One. The first best thing about being blind is NLS books. You
> can get
> thousands of books and magazines, on tape or in Braille,
> delivered to your
> home, returned at your leisure-for free. Is America great, or
> what?
>
> Two. At airports, blind people can board early if they like, and
> I say-why
> not? You get a nice stewardess to show you to your seat before
> the crowds
> come, and there's no worrying about having room in the overhead
> bin. Plus,
> twice I've been bumped up to first class. Sweet.
>
> Three. Related to travel is discount bus fares. I know, if we
> are ever to
> receive full acceptance, we have to pay equally. But, I'm what
> some might
> call frugal, and saving a buck makes me happy.
>
> Four. Using Braille is like being in a selective club where we
> use a secret
> language. In other words, every kid's dream-come-true. I was at
> a meeting
> one time, and this blowhard was blabbering on while I used my
> Braille Lite
> to write-I wish this guy would just shut the hell up. Everybody
> probably
> thought-Oh, look at how interested Reid is, taking notes-what a
> great
> employee!
>
> Five. Guide dogs are incredible animals, some of the best Dogs
> on the
> planet-and we can have them almost for free. Think about
> it-these highly
> trained helpers and companions and all you have to do is work,
> love, and
> take care of them.
>
> Six. Here's a fun thing. Next time you're at a party, pick
> someone out
> that you want to meet, and have a friend describe them in detail.
> Make your
> way over and join in on a conversation, and get to know the
> person a little..
> Ask how tall they are, or how old they are, and then say you've
> developed a
> mental picture of them, and describe them exactly. Freaks them
> out!
>
> Seven. Blind people are not forced to look at all the ugliness
> in the world..
> There's undocumented amounts of garbage and graffiti and dog poop
> and
> suburban blight out there-and it's not pretty.
>
> Eight. The flip side of that coin is that people all become
> better looking
> than they really are. When I'm talking to someone, I never
> imagine they have
> a boil on their neck, or really crooked teeth, or are having a
> really bad
> hair day-even though they might.
>
> Nine. There's an old clich?-out of sight, out of mind, and it's
> true. What
> cobwebs? What dust? There's nothing wrong with that wallpaper!
>
> Ten. The final reason I like being a blind guy is because I get
> to hang
> around blind people. Before I went blind, the only other blind
> person I ever
> met was my second-cousin Zebediah, and the court agreement says I
> can't
> really talk about him. But I've met all kinds of blind people at
> NFB
> conventions-artists and lawyers and BEP operators and computer
> programmers
> and tattoo artists-and you realize there's nothing that can't be
> done. Just
> work up your courage and figure it out.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:02:55 -0400
> From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
> To: Performing Arts Division list <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>, Writer's
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> Subject: [stylist] Braille literacy documentary seeking input
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> Hi Friends,
> I sent this message from the AFB message boards to everyone who
> participated up front and behind the scenes to my Braille literacy
> series on American Chronicle and to my articles on Braille for Suite
> 101. I also thought some of you might be interested or that I may have
> missed someone in the other mailing.
>
> The following message comes from:
> http://www.afb.org/message_board_replies2.asp?TopicID=6663&FolderID=3
> Hope you will consider e-mailing this person and can help move the
> discussion forward.
> Blessings,
> Donna
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> BRAILLE LITERACY SUPPORT - Message Boards - American Foundation for the
> Blind
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> AFB
> American Foundation for the Blind
> BRAILLE LITERACY SUPPORT
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> Posted by magnoliaze on 8/31/2010 2:31:10 PM.
>
> I am working on a documentary in support of Braille Literacy and am
> seeking a variety of subjects to share their stories.
>
> We've already filmed the stories of some wonderful visually impaired
> children, but many of them had opportunities that not all people with
> vision loss
> have. Now we are trying to find subjects who aren't as fortunate as well
> as experts and those who are passionate about the current state of
> Braille Literacy.
>
> We'd like to discuss the biggest obstacles for literacy among the blind,
> to find out what needs to be done, and discuss in detail what people can
> do to
> help. Finally, we are recruiting subjects that need assistance, people
> who don't have as much access to Braille or education. We want to tell
> YOUR stories
> as a ?call to action.?
>
> If you, or someone you know, are interested please email
> brailledocumentary at gmail.com, and I'll forward you our credentials. I
> hope to hear from you soon!
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> Suite 101:
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> Ezine Articles:
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> American Chronicle:
> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>
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> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
> www.padnfb.org
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