[stylist] Editing question
Bridgit Pollpeter
bpollpeter at hotmail.com
Wed Jan 5 19:26:28 UTC 2011
Atty,
It depends, really. Traditionally any dialogue is placed between
quotes, but often writers use italics or other stylistic means to convey
different things such as remembered dialogue.
Bridgit
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3. Re: New Editor for "Slate & Style" (Joe Orozco)
4. Re: New Editor for "Slate & Style" (KajunCutie926 at aol.com)
5. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 3 (Donna Hill)
6. Re: New Editor for "Slate & Style" (Donna Hill)
7. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 3 (Judith Bron)
8. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 3 (Donna Hill)
9. Re: New Editor for "Slate & Style" (Brad Dunse)
10. Hoods and Hoodlums- writing exercise? (Bridgit Pollpeter)
11. Re: New Editor for "Slate & Style" (cheryl echevarria)
12. Hoody bit (Brad Dunse)
13. Re: Hoody bit (Judith Bron)
14. Re: Hoody bit (James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR)
15. Re: New Editor for "Slate & Style" (Anita Adkins)
16. Hoods, Hoodlums and Hoody's (Robert Leslie Newman)
17. Writers' division Monthly Telephone Gathering- January 2011
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18. editing question (The Crowd)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:18:25 -0500
From: Kerry Thompson <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
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Hi friends,
Donna, maybe the problem, the barrier, is the emphasis on "braille." The
emphasis needs to be on "reading," however the individual approaches
reading. It sticks in my mind that only ten per cent of blind children
are taught to read braille, i.e. the method of reading appropriate to
them. Only ten percent! How would society at large react if, say, only
ten per cent of black children were taught to read, or ten per cent of
Jewish children, or ten per cent of children from Idaho? It's a question
of human rights. All American children should be taught to read. Someof
them need an alternative method to print. So what? The method isn't (or
shouldn't be) the issue. The issue should be literacy.
Yes, I realize the above sounds naive and utopian. But, I truly believe
it should be the goal. I mean, the phrase "separate but equal" comes to
mind whenever I hear people talk about braille literacy. Literacy is the
goal, full literacy of the entire U.S. population. For most that will
mean print literacy, for some, braille literacy. But, the two really
can't be separated. To read is to read, whether with the eyes or with
the fingers. The false dichotomy of literacy and braille literacy needs
to be removed, both in our own minds and in themind of John Q. Public.
That reminds me. Did Congress ever do anything about the shameful lack
of accessible textbooks for blind schoolchildren? Again, it seems to me
the emphasis needs to be, not on the difference, books in braille, but
on the colossal injustice ofany American schoolchild being denied access
to schoolbooks. Again, how would it be if it were some other group being
denied access to schooling or to the necessary books? It wouldn't wash.
We have to present our needs the way Civil Rights and Women's Rights
campaigners presented needs, not as special concessions or favors we're
asking for, but as matters of right, of justice.
There was a time when printed books were very rare and valuable. Now,
you can pick up a mass market paperback for five or six bucks. Braille
books are just the same. Now they are dear, but as demand grows with the
increasing literacy of the blind population, prices will come down.
That's simple demand and supply. As demand grows, supply also grows and
prices fall. Again, we all, blind and sighted alike, have to stop
regarding braille as a specialty item. It's no different from print.
I donno. I just get so frustrated and angry at the conditions we have to
accept, conditions no other minority group would put up with. We're not
subhuman. We're citizens just like anybody else, and we should have the
same rights and expectations...
End of rant.
Jim, so glad Lynda is on the mend, if slowly. Continuing prayers and
heart thingies.
Judith, For some reason, I always thought "thingy" was chiefly British.
I've always liked it. Yes, it's a very useful word. It's strange about
the pronunciation. Window-eyes pronounces the singular with the hard g
sound but the plural with the soft g. Just one of those oddnesses we
have to get used to, I guess.
Judith, yeah, but it's a generic British just like the generic American.
I imagine British JAWS users get just as frustrated with pronunciation
as we do. And, how about the Canadians?
Donna, I know there's a girl's name Damaris. The way I've heard it
pronounced is with the stress on the second syllable. Here's the page
from Behind the Name:
http://www.behindthename.com/name/damaris
Behind the Name does not have a listing for Damari. It sounds like a
diminutive to me, probably for Damaris or possibly a nursery name
derived from Rosemarie or Rosemary.
The thing is, with a rare or even made up name, you can spell it any old
way you like.
Jim, it's funny you should think the same thing about damari and
Damaris. Great minds...
I'm not sure "hood" is out of date even now to mean hoodlum etc.
Marion, what race was "hoodlum" supposed to be targeting? Sheesh! Now, I
can see "hooligan" being construed as anti-Irish, maybe, but "hoodlum?"
Solidarity and Peace,
Kerry
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 17:28:50 -0600
From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "writers nfb" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] New Editor for "Slate & Style"
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Dear Writers' Division Members and STYLIST
After interviewing 5 prospective editors for "Slate & Style (S&S)," I
have chosen Bridget Pollpeter to take over as managing editor. Watch for
her post. I believe she will be writing of her thoughts and intent for a
new take on "Slate & Style." As I will, please do welcome and support
her in her efforts. "S&S" represents not only the Writers' division, but
more specifically blind writers.
Thank you all for your support in this matter.
Robert Leslie Newman
President- NFB Writers' Division
Division Website
<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org>
http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
Personal Website-
<http://www.thoughtprovoker.info> http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:41:18 -0500
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] New Editor for "Slate & Style"
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Excellent choice! Let's work with Bridgit to make the newsletter a
kick-butt publication!
Joe
"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
Ewing
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Dear Writers' Division Members and STYLIST
After interviewing 5 prospective editors for "Slate & Style
(S&S)," I have
chosen Bridget Pollpeter to take over as managing editor. Watch for her
post. I believe she will be writing of her thoughts and intent for a new
take on "Slate & Style." As I will, please do welcome and
support her in her
efforts. "S&S" represents not only the Writers' division, but more
specifically blind writers.
Thank you all for your support in this matter.
Robert Leslie Newman
President- NFB Writers' Division
Division Website
<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org>
http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
Personal Website-
<http://www.thoughtprovoker.info> http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 19:06:14 EST
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Congratulations Bridget!! Welcome as the new managing of 'Slate &
Style'... looking forward to reading your thoughts and where you will
take us..
only to good places, I am sure..)
Again many congrats and a great choice, Robert!
Myrna
In a message dated 1/4/2011 5:30:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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Dear Writers' Division Members and STYLIST
After interviewing 5 prospective editors for "Slate & Style (S&S)," I
have chosen Bridget Pollpeter to take over as managing editor. Watch
for her post. I believe she will be writing of her thoughts and intent
for a new take on "Slate & Style." As I will, please do welcome and
support her in
her
efforts. "S&S" represents not only the Writers' division, but more
specifically blind writers.
Thank you all for your support in this matter.
Robert Leslie Newman
President- NFB Writers' Division
Division Website
<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org>
http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
Personal Website-
<http://www.thoughtprovoker.info> http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:56:33 -0500
From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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Cc: Kerry Thompson <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 3
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Hi Kerry,
Thanks for the Damaris link. I know in high school, her teachers still
called her Damari. If I can find her, I'll use whatever spelling she
uses. If not, it'll stay Damari. Thanks for the liberating comments
about using whatever one I like.
As far as Braille and literacy ... I think one of the understated issues
with Braille literacy is that society is undergoing a blurring of
standards for literacy in general, which is a shame. I really don't
think people get that audio learning isn't the same as Braille or print.
When I do radio interviews, I do often ask a sighted host how they would
feel if their child came home with the happy news that he/she no longer
needed to study reading, because the teacher thinks they're such a good
listener. Of course, it isn't OK for sighted children to just listen,
when you put it to them that way.
As to your comments about the fact that literacy for all should be the
goal and we aren't second class ... I think that this is what Shawn was
talking about when he mentioned that we need to make blindness and how
we cope with it relevant to the general public. To most people, blind
people are not equal. I say this not merely out of experience and
observation but because it is what pollsters learn when they canvass
non-disabled Americans on their beliefs about people with disabilities.
The report I often cite from the early '90s says the general public
views people with disabilities as "fundamentally different from the rest
of the population." I don't think there's any other way to frame that
other than by saying that we are in the minds of our fellow Americans
second class. It always reminds me of the movie "Children of a Lesser
God" which dealt withdeafness.
In order to get John & Jane Q. Public to understand the injustice of
only 10% of blind children being literate or over 70% of blind adults
being unemployed, we have to first convince them that we are part of
them, and that there's no reason they have to carry us on their backs.
All too often the success stories of blind people are presented and
viewed as isolated instances of inspiring individuals who surmounted
insurmountable obstacles to get somewhere that can't really be expected
of blind people in general. The fact that others could achieve if they
had the tools, training and the attitude of these few isn't discussed. I
think the public likes to have the occasional blind hero to give them a
warm and fuzzy feeling. There wouldn't be as much of that, if we were
expected to achieve like everyone else.
I think your points about working for equality like other minorities is
right on. It's a civil rights issue based on fear and prejudice. I don't
think the public gets that either. They think we are here to be taken
care of and to remind them of how good they have it because they can
see. Donna
Read Donna's articles on
Suite 101:
www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
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American Chronicle:
www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
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LinkedIn:
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FaceBook:
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4
Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
www.padnfb.org
On 1/4/2011 5:18 PM, Kerry Thompson wrote:
> Hi friends,
>
> Donna, maybe the problem, the barrier, is the emphasis on "braille."
> The emphasis needs to be on "reading," however the individual
> approaches reading. It sticks in my mind that only ten per cent of
> blind children are taught to read braille, i.e. the method of reading
> appropriate to them. Only ten percent! How would society at large
> react if, say, only ten per cent of black children were taught to
> read, or ten per cent of Jewish children, or ten per cent of children
> from Idaho? It's a question of human rights. All American children
> should be taught to read. Someof them need an alternative method to
> print. So what? The method isn't (or shouldn't be) the issue. The
> issue should be literacy.
>
> Yes, I realize the above sounds naive and utopian. But, I truly
> believe it should be the goal. I mean, the phrase "separate but equal"
> comes to mind whenever I hear people talk about braille literacy.
> Literacy is the goal, full literacy of the entire U.S. population. For
> most that will mean print literacy, for some, braille literacy. But,
> the two really can't be separated. To read is to read, whether with
> the eyes or with the fingers. The false dichotomy of literacy and
> braille literacy needs to be removed, both in our own minds and in
> themind of John Q. Public.
>
> That reminds me. Did Congress ever do anything about the shameful lack
> of accessible textbooks for blind schoolchildren? Again, it seems to
> me the emphasis needs to be, not on the difference, books in braille,
> but on the colossal injustice ofany American schoolchild being denied
> access to schoolbooks. Again, how would it be if it were some other
> group being denied access to schooling or to the necessary books? It
> wouldn't wash. We have to present our needs the way Civil Rights and
> Women's Rights campaigners presented needs, not as special concessions
> or favors we're asking for, but as matters of right, of justice.
>
> There was a time when printed books were very rare and valuable. Now,
> you can pick up a mass market paperback for five or six bucks. Braille
> books are just the same. Now they are dear, but as demand grows with
> the increasing literacy of the blind population, prices will come
> down. That's simple demand and supply. As demand grows, supply also
> grows and prices fall. Again, we all, blind and sighted alike, have to
> stop regarding braille as a specialty item. It's no different from
print.
>
> I donno. I just get so frustrated and angry at the conditions we have
> to accept, conditions no other minority group would put up with. We're
> not subhuman. We're citizens just like anybody else, and we should
> have the same rights and expectations...
>
> End of rant.
>
> Jim, so glad Lynda is on the mend, if slowly. Continuing prayers and
> heart thingies.
>
> Judith, For some reason, I always thought "thingy" was chiefly
> British. I've always liked it. Yes, it's a very useful word. It's
> strange about the pronunciation. Window-eyes pronounces the singular
> with the hard g sound but the plural with the soft g. Just one of
> those oddnesses we have to get used to, I guess.
>
> Judith, yeah, but it's a generic British just like the generic
> American. I imagine British JAWS users get just as frustrated with
> pronunciation as we do. And, how about the Canadians?
>
> Donna, I know there's a girl's name Damaris. The way I've heard it
> pronounced is with the stress on the second syllable. Here's the page
> from Behind the Name:
>
> http://www.behindthename.com/name/damaris
>
> Behind the Name does not have a listing for Damari. It sounds like a
> diminutive to me, probably for Damaris or possibly a nursery name
> derived from Rosemarie or Rosemary.
>
> The thing is, with a rare or even made up name, you can spell it any
> old way you like.
>
> Jim, it's funny you should think the same thing about damari and
> Damaris. Great minds...
>
> I'm not sure "hood" is out of date even now to mean hoodlum etc.
>
> Marion, what race was "hoodlum" supposed to be targeting? Sheesh! Now,
> I can see "hooligan" being construed as anti-Irish, maybe, but
"hoodlum?"
>
> Solidarity and Peace,
>
> Kerry
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:57:35 -0500
From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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Robert,
Excellent choice.
Donna
Read Donna's articles on
Suite 101:
www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
Ezine Articles:
http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
American Chronicle:
www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
Connect with Donna on
Twitter:
www.twitter.com/dewhill
LinkedIn:
www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
FaceBook:
www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
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Apple I-Tunes
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4
Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
www.padnfb.org
On 1/4/2011 6:28 PM, Robert Leslie Newman wrote:
> Dear Writers' Division Members and STYLIST
>
>
>
> After interviewing 5 prospective editors for "Slate& Style (S&S)," I
> have chosen Bridget Pollpeter to take over as managing editor. Watch
> for her post. I believe she will be writing of her thoughts and intent
> for a new take on "Slate& Style." As I will, please do welcome and
> support her in her efforts. "S&S" represents not only the Writers'
> division, but more specifically blind writers.
>
>
>
> Thank you all for your support in this matter.
>
>
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
>
> President- NFB Writers' Division
>
> Division Website
>
> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org>
> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>
> Personal Website-
>
> <http://www.thoughtprovoker.info> http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:11:30 -0500
From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 3
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I couldn't agree more with Donna. However I also can't help but realize
that many non-disabled students get pushed through the school system and
graduate high school without the ability to fill out a job application.
Many of these students are in some of the highest taxed areas of the
country
where most property taxes go to the school district. I think the people
of
this country, disabled included, have to roll up their sleeves and
pledge to
give students an education that will carry them through a fulfilling
life.
Right now most of our tax dollars go towards teachers, their pay checks
and
their retirement plans. At what point does serving a teacher's union
that
produces uneducated children run out of excuses? In other words this
country has to get back to knowing that children, each and everyone of
them,
is a crucial part of America's tomorrow. Judith
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To: <cosmoscat at earthlink.net>; "Writer's Division Mailing List"
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Cc: "Kerry Thompson" <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 3
> Hi Kerry,
> Thanks for the Damaris link. I know in high school, her teachers still
> called her Damari. If I can find her, I'll use whatever spelling she
uses.
> If not, it'll stay Damari. Thanks for the liberating comments about
using
> whatever one I like.
>
> As far as Braille and literacy ... I think one of the understated
> issues
> with Braille literacy is that society is undergoing a blurring of
> standards for literacy in general, which is a shame. I really don't
think
> people get that audio learning isn't the same as Braille or print.
When I
> do radio interviews, I do often ask a sighted host how they would feel
if
> their child came home with the happy news that he/she no longer needed
to
> study reading, because the teacher thinks they're such a good
listener. Of
> course, it isn't OK for sighted children to just listen, when you put
it
> to them that way.
>
> As to your comments about the fact that literacy for all should be the
> goal and we aren't second class ... I think that this is what Shawn
was
> talking about when he mentioned that we need to make blindness and how
we
> cope with it relevant to the general public. To most people, blind
people
> are not equal. I say this not merely out of experience and observation
but
> because it is what pollsters learn when they canvass non-disabled
> Americans on their beliefs about people with disabilities. The report
I
> often cite from the early '90s says the general public views people
with
> disabilities as "fundamentally different from the rest of the
population."
> I don't think there's any other way to frame that other than by saying
> that we are in the minds of our fellow Americans second class. It
always
> reminds me of the movie "Children of a Lesser God" which dealt
> withdeafness.
>
> In order to get John & Jane Q. Public to understand the injustice of
> only
> 10% of blind children being literate or over 70% of blind adults being
> unemployed, we have to first convince them that we are part of them,
and
> that there's no reason they have to carry us on their backs. All too
often
> the success stories of blind people are presented and viewed as
isolated
> instances of inspiring individuals who surmounted insurmountable
obstacles
> to get somewhere that can't really be expected of blind people in
general.
> The fact that others could achieve if they had the tools, training and
the
> attitude of these few isn't discussed. I think the public likes to
have
> the occasional blind hero to give them a warm and fuzzy feeling. There
> wouldn't be as much of that, if we were expected to achieve like
everyone
> else.
>
> I think your points about working for equality like other minorities
> is
> right on. It's a civil rights issue based on fear and prejudice. I
don't
> think the public gets that either. They think we are here to be taken
care
> of and to remind them of how good they have it because they can see.
> Donna
>
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> On 1/4/2011 5:18 PM, Kerry Thompson wrote:
>> Hi friends,
>>
>> Donna, maybe the problem, the barrier, is the emphasis on "braille."
>> The
>> emphasis needs to be on "reading," however the individual approaches
>> reading. It sticks in my mind that only ten per cent of blind
children
>> are taught to read braille, i.e. the method of reading appropriate to
>> them. Only ten percent! How would society at large react if, say,
only
>> ten per cent of black children were taught to read, or ten per cent
of
>> Jewish children, or ten per cent of children from Idaho? It's a
question
>> of human rights. All American children should be taught to read.
Someof
>> them need an alternative method to print. So what? The method isn't
(or
>> shouldn't be) the issue. The issue should be literacy.
>>
>> Yes, I realize the above sounds naive and utopian. But, I truly
>> believe
>> it should be the goal. I mean, the phrase "separate but equal" comes
to
>> mind whenever I hear people talk about braille literacy. Literacy is
the
>> goal, full literacy of the entire U.S. population. For most that will
>> mean print literacy, for some, braille literacy. But, the two really
>> can't be separated. To read is to read, whether with the eyes or with
the
>> fingers. The false dichotomy of literacy and braille literacy needs
to be
>> removed, both in our own minds and in themind of John Q. Public.
>>
>> That reminds me. Did Congress ever do anything about the shameful
>> lack of
>> accessible textbooks for blind schoolchildren? Again, it seems to me
the
>> emphasis needs to be, not on the difference, books in braille, but on
the
>> colossal injustice ofany American schoolchild being denied access to
>> schoolbooks. Again, how would it be if it were some other group being
>> denied access to schooling or to the necessary books? It wouldn't
wash.
>> We have to present our needs the way Civil Rights and Women's Rights
>> campaigners presented needs, not as special concessions or favors
we're
>> asking for, but as matters of right, of justice.
>>
>> There was a time when printed books were very rare and valuable. Now,
>> you
>> can pick up a mass market paperback for five or six bucks. Braille
books
>> are just the same. Now they are dear, but as demand grows with the
>> increasing literacy of the blind population, prices will come down.
>> That's simple demand and supply. As demand grows, supply also grows
and
>> prices fall. Again, we all, blind and sighted alike, have to stop
>> regarding braille as a specialty item. It's no different from print.
>>
>> I donno. I just get so frustrated and angry at the conditions we have
>> to
>> accept, conditions no other minority group would put up with. We're
not
>> subhuman. We're citizens just like anybody else, and we should have
the
>> same rights and expectations...
>>
>> End of rant.
>>
>> Jim, so glad Lynda is on the mend, if slowly. Continuing prayers and
>> heart thingies.
>>
>> Judith, For some reason, I always thought "thingy" was chiefly
>> British.
>> I've always liked it. Yes, it's a very useful word. It's strange
about
>> the pronunciation. Window-eyes pronounces the singular with the hard
g
>> sound but the plural with the soft g. Just one of those oddnesses we
have
>> to get used to, I guess.
>>
>> Judith, yeah, but it's a generic British just like the generic
>> American.
>> I imagine British JAWS users get just as frustrated with
pronunciation as
>> we do. And, how about the Canadians?
>>
>> Donna, I know there's a girl's name Damaris. The way I've heard it
>> pronounced is with the stress on the second syllable. Here's the page
>> from Behind the Name:
>>
>> http://www.behindthename.com/name/damaris
>>
>> Behind the Name does not have a listing for Damari. It sounds like a
>> diminutive to me, probably for Damaris or possibly a nursery name
derived
>> from Rosemarie or Rosemary.
>>
>> The thing is, with a rare or even made up name, you can spell it any
>> old
>> way you like.
>>
>> Jim, it's funny you should think the same thing about damari and
>> Damaris.
>> Great minds...
>>
>> I'm not sure "hood" is out of date even now to mean hoodlum etc.
>>
>> Marion, what race was "hoodlum" supposed to be targeting? Sheesh!
>> Now, I
>> can see "hooligan" being construed as anti-Irish, maybe, but
"hoodlum?"
>>
>> Solidarity and Peace,
>>
>> Kerry
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:24:57 -0500
From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 3
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Judith,
I think the real problem here is that we are a generation or two removed
from teachers who understood literacy and finances. The teachers
nowadays were failed by the schools and are in the dark themselves. The
same thing is rampant in the trades; the average
carpenter/builder/mechanic was trained by people who themselves learned
from people who had lost touch with the basics.
Donna
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On 1/4/2011 9:11 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
> I couldn't agree more with Donna. However I also can't help but
> realize that many non-disabled students get pushed through the school
> system and graduate high school without the ability to fill out a job
> application. Many of these students are in some of the highest taxed
> areas of the country where most property taxes go to the school
> district. I think the people of this country, disabled included, have
> to roll up their sleeves and pledge to give students an education that
> will carry them through a fulfilling life. Right now most of our tax
> dollars go towards teachers, their pay checks and their retirement
> plans. At what point does serving a teacher's union that produces
> uneducated children run out of excuses? In other words this country
> has to get back to knowing that children, each and everyone of them,
> is a crucial part of America's tomorrow. Judith
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
> To: <cosmoscat at earthlink.net>; "Writer's Division Mailing List"
> <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Kerry Thompson" <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 3
>
>
>> Hi Kerry,
>> Thanks for the Damaris link. I know in high school, her teachers
>> still called her Damari. If I can find her, I'll use whatever
>> spelling she uses. If not, it'll stay Damari. Thanks for the
>> liberating comments about using whatever one I like.
>>
>> As far as Braille and literacy ... I think one of the understated
>> issues with Braille literacy is that society is undergoing a blurring
>> of standards for literacy in general, which is a shame. I really
>> don't think people get that audio learning isn't the same as Braille
>> or print. When I do radio interviews, I do often ask a sighted host
>> how they would feel if their child came home with the happy news that
>> he/she no longer needed to study reading, because the teacher thinks
>> they're such a good listener. Of course, it isn't OK for sighted
>> children to just listen, when you put it to them that way.
>>
>> As to your comments about the fact that literacy for all should be
>> the goal and we aren't second class ... I think that this is what
>> Shawn was talking about when he mentioned that we need to make
>> blindness and how we cope with it relevant to the general public. To
>> most people, blind people are not equal. I say this not merely out of
>> experience and observation but because it is what pollsters learn
>> when they canvass non-disabled Americans on their beliefs about
>> people with disabilities. The report I often cite from the early '90s
>> says the general public views people with disabilities as
>> "fundamentally different from the rest of the population." I don't
>> think there's any other way to frame that other than by saying that
>> we are in the minds of our fellow Americans second class. It always
>> reminds me of the movie "Children of a Lesser God" which dealt
>> withdeafness.
>>
>> In order to get John & Jane Q. Public to understand the injustice of
>> only 10% of blind children being literate or over 70% of blind adults
>> being unemployed, we have to first convince them that we are part of
>> them, and that there's no reason they have to carry us on their
>> backs. All too often the success stories of blind people are
>> presented and viewed as isolated instances of inspiring individuals
>> who surmounted insurmountable obstacles to get somewhere that can't
>> really be expected of blind people in general. The fact that others
>> could achieve if they had the tools, training and the attitude of
>> these few isn't discussed. I think the public likes to have the
>> occasional blind hero to give them a warm and fuzzy feeling. There
>> wouldn't be as much of that, if we were expected to achieve like
>> everyone else.
>>
>> I think your points about working for equality like other minorities
>> is right on. It's a civil rights issue based on fear and prejudice. I
>> don't think the public gets that either. They think we are here to be
>> taken care of and to remind them of how good they have it because
>> they can see.
>> Donna
>>
>>
>> Read Donna's articles on
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>> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
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>> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>> www.padnfb.org
>>
>>
>> On 1/4/2011 5:18 PM, Kerry Thompson wrote:
>>> Hi friends,
>>>
>>> Donna, maybe the problem, the barrier, is the emphasis on "braille."
>>> The emphasis needs to be on "reading," however the individual
>>> approaches reading. It sticks in my mind that only ten per cent of
>>> blind children are taught to read braille, i.e. the method of
>>> reading appropriate to them. Only ten percent! How would society at
>>> large react if, say, only ten per cent of black children were taught
>>> to read, or ten per cent of Jewish children, or ten per cent of
>>> children from Idaho? It's a question of human rights. All American
>>> children should be taught to read. Someof them need an alternative
>>> method to print. So what? The method isn't (or shouldn't be) the
>>> issue. The issue should be literacy.
>>>
>>> Yes, I realize the above sounds naive and utopian. But, I truly
>>> believe it should be the goal. I mean, the phrase "separate but
>>> equal" comes to mind whenever I hear people talk about braille
>>> literacy. Literacy is the goal, full literacy of the entire U.S.
>>> population. For most that will mean print literacy, for some,
>>> braille literacy. But, the two really can't be separated. To read is
>>> to read, whether with the eyes or with the fingers. The false
>>> dichotomy of literacy and braille literacy needs to be removed, both
>>> in our own minds and in themind of John Q. Public.
>>>
>>> That reminds me. Did Congress ever do anything about the shameful
>>> lack of accessible textbooks for blind schoolchildren? Again, it
>>> seems to me the emphasis needs to be, not on the difference, books
>>> in braille, but on the colossal injustice ofany American schoolchild
>>> being denied access to schoolbooks. Again, how would it be if it
>>> were some other group being denied access to schooling or to the
>>> necessary books? It wouldn't wash. We have to present our needs the
>>> way Civil Rights and Women's Rights campaigners presented needs, not
>>> as special concessions or favors we're asking for, but as matters of
>>> right, of justice.
>>>
>>> There was a time when printed books were very rare and valuable.
>>> Now, you can pick up a mass market paperback for five or six bucks.
>>> Braille books are just the same. Now they are dear, but as demand
>>> grows with the increasing literacy of the blind population, prices
>>> will come down. That's simple demand and supply. As demand grows,
>>> supply also grows and prices fall. Again, we all, blind and sighted
>>> alike, have to stop regarding braille as a specialty item. It's no
>>> different from print.
>>>
>>> I donno. I just get so frustrated and angry at the conditions we
>>> have to accept, conditions no other minority group would put up
>>> with. We're not subhuman. We're citizens just like anybody else, and
>>> we should have the same rights and expectations...
>>>
>>> End of rant.
>>>
>>> Jim, so glad Lynda is on the mend, if slowly. Continuing prayers and
>>> heart thingies.
>>>
>>> Judith, For some reason, I always thought "thingy" was chiefly
>>> British. I've always liked it. Yes, it's a very useful word. It's
>>> strange about the pronunciation. Window-eyes pronounces the singular
>>> with the hard g sound but the plural with the soft g. Just one of
>>> those oddnesses we have to get used to, I guess.
>>>
>>> Judith, yeah, but it's a generic British just like the generic
>>> American. I imagine British JAWS users get just as frustrated with
>>> pronunciation as we do. And, how about the Canadians?
>>>
>>> Donna, I know there's a girl's name Damaris. The way I've heard it
>>> pronounced is with the stress on the second syllable. Here's the
>>> page from Behind the Name:
>>>
>>> http://www.behindthename.com/name/damaris
>>>
>>> Behind the Name does not have a listing for Damari. It sounds like a
>>> diminutive to me, probably for Damaris or possibly a nursery name
>>> derived from Rosemarie or Rosemary.
>>>
>>> The thing is, with a rare or even made up name, you can spell it any
>>> old way you like.
>>>
>>> Jim, it's funny you should think the same thing about damari and
>>> Damaris. Great minds...
>>>
>>> I'm not sure "hood" is out of date even now to mean hoodlum etc.
>>>
>>> Marion, what race was "hoodlum" supposed to be targeting? Sheesh!
>>> Now, I can see "hooligan" being construed as anti-Irish, maybe, but
>>> "hoodlum?"
>>>
>>> Solidarity and Peace,
>>>
>>> Kerry
>>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:17:55 -0600
From: Brad Dunse <lists at braddunsemusic.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] New Editor for "Slate & Style"
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Congratulations Bridget!
Brad
On 1/4/2011 05:28 PM Robert Leslie Newman said...
>Dear Writers' Division Members and STYLIST
>
>
>
>After interviewing 5 prospective editors for "Slate & Style (S&S)," I
have
>chosen Bridget Pollpeter to take over as managing editor. Watch for her
>post. I believe she will be writing of her thoughts and intent for a
new
>take on "Slate & Style." As I will, please do welcome and support her
in her
>efforts. "S&S" represents not only the Writers' division, but more
>specifically blind writers.
>
>
>
>Thank you all for your support in this matter.
>
>
>
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>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 01:09:14 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
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Subject: [stylist] Hoods and Hoodlums- writing exercise?
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Hey,
Hoodlum, or hood, does not denote race, ethnicity, nationality or even
gender. For anyone to attach this word to a particular group is
perpetuating stereotypes.
Anyhow, to utilize this tangent, perhaps we can try writing a short
scene using this word (or concept) as the impetus. It would be
interesting to see what we can come up with.
Bridgit P
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 07:18:51 -0500
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Dear Writers' Division Members and STYLIST
After interviewing 5 prospective editors for "Slate & Style (S&S)," I
have chosen Bridget Pollpeter to take over as managing editor. Watch for
her post. I believe she will be writing of her thoughts and intent for a
new take on "Slate & Style." As I will, please do welcome and support
her in her efforts. "S&S" represents not only the Writers' division, but
more specifically blind writers.
Thank you all for your support in this matter.
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 08:14:45 -0600
From: Brad Dunse <lists at braddunsemusic.com>
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for a little self-amusement this morning :)
The store manager was new so I suppose you really
couldn't blame him. I don't think he had much
experience in this sort of thing before, but
after an incident such as this, I'm sure he's
learned a thing or two. A few of us tried to tell
him early on but it was as if he didn't even hear
us, or as if he couldn't understand us at all. It
was almost like he didn't speak our language.
Well, anyway? we didn't push too hard because we
had heard he was a bit hot under the collar,
though you really would not have thought that by
just looking at him. I mean his white pressed
short sleeved shirt and bright tan slacks were?
hmmm alright. I mean the slacks weren't that dark
so they were OK. I mean he couldn't wear white
slacks too or he'd look like a doctor or
something, you know, too clean and proper. No,
the light tan slacks were OK, too dark and well,
you know, *spoken in a whisper* the darky slacks?
no matter how you try to contrast them? because
of their color they just send the wrong message you know.
I on the other hand, with my official medium sky
blue long sleeves, neatly pressed chest pockets,
stiff unwrinkled collar standing proud atop the
wide shoulders, sharply contrasted dark blue
slacks creased commanding municipal respect
being tied off at the waist by a shiny black
leather belt, knew this sort of thing happens
from time to time. I might have expected it too
from the murmuring I thought I heard earlier on in the evening.
I'd say it happened somewhere around 11:00PM,
shortly after closing time and all the store
personnel had gone home for the night. The place
was dark and only the security lights lit certain
areas of the store. The dress shirt section was
well lit and out in the open, as was the tank
tops and plane sweat shirts. Even the wild
carefree T-shirts with their brazen multi-colored
logos slapped on them like cheap chest tattoos
were out in the open. There were others though
that were hidden in the shadows of the security
lights. If anyone should have been hidden from
the light it should really have been the
negligees and unmentionables but no, it wasn't
that way, not like other stores with? well you
see, this is where the store manager? well I'm
sure he knows now, but it always has to come to
something like this before anything is done about it.
As I said I think it had to be a little after
11:00PM, shortly after closing time, maybe
11:30PM I'm not really sure. I was standing there
quiet-like, the store was all still. And out of
the buzzing noise of the scantly illuminating
fluorescents, I thought I heard this whispering.
At first I wasn't sure but then it seemed to get
louder. Sure enough I began to hear these voices
and right away I knew what was happening. Their
accent and dialect gave them away even in the
darkness. As the murmuring grew louder I began to pick out what was
being said.
"Look at you mon weeth your foncy stripes and
pressed coalars... get a load ofe deece guy
mon... oh... tsk tsk tsk. Aw. Jew popped a coople
boatens. Aw Chus like deece one here, dos a shame mon".
I knew right then we had trouble and it wasn't
going to be pretty. But what was I to do. The
manager had me clipped up on the display wall
with arms stretched out like I was being
crucified. I'm telling you, I mean I'm not
saying? I'm just saying. You know, I think the
manager had a lot of missed responsibility here.
New or not, well anyway, I could hear things were
heating up from another section ...
"Hey man look at this feller. he's a thinkin'
he's purdy smart wit dat Rayon tag he's a sportin' there. Well I'll
just..."
And then I heard this horrible tearing sound. I
mean he made off like he was going to rip off
just the tag but it sounded like he tore the
whole arm off the guy. All this was happening
just around the corner where I couldn't quite get
a good look at who the trouble makers were, but
I knew. Oh, I knew alright. It was easy for the
cops to tell too when they finally came in the next morning.
But anyway pinned helpless there I heard another
scream, I looked and finally I could see
something of what was going on just outside of
the shadows. It was coming from the negligee section.
"Get your hands off me you, you... you... piece of white... help!
Help!"
I looked over and it confirmed my suspicion. The
upper part of his garment was the tell tale thing
but with Lederhosen? I mean that's an odd
combination but these trouble makers, they'll
wear anything for an identity that draws attention to them.
All of a sudden the voices got louder. The
trouble makers with there accents and dialects
were pushing shoving and ripping everyone off
their hangers. You could hear shirts drop to the
floor, some in just a protective fetal position,
and others because they were yanked off the rack,
thrown down and stomped. Screams and torrents of
obscenities rang out along with fabric names.
Cotton, Rayon, Wool, Polyester Blend, you name it
and it was yelled out just before they were
beaten or tore to shreds. If attacking them for
their textile ethnicity wasn't good enough, the
troublemakers began spewing out styles. V-necks,
tank tops, button down, short sleeve, long
sleeve, no sleeve, it didn't matter they were out
to make their mark in the clothing section of the
store. cries for help rang out one after another
and like I say, there I was pinned against the
wall in "nail me to the cross" mode, unable to do anything.
Well, by the time the store manager got there in
the morning every stitch of clothing was tossed
on the floor. Buttons lay randomly in the isles
along with ripped off collars, pockets and
sleeves. Hangers littered the main isle next to
crumpled broken plastic displays and metal
tubular hanging racks tipped over. I was lucky
enough to have landed face down with the top of
my display wall propped up against the feet of
the denim shirt's round rack that was in front
of me before all this started, so I wasn't
crushed. Yes, every stitch of clothing was either
tore, had its buttons popped, its buckles
wrenched off, or otherwise destroyed. When the
humans walked in only one set of garments was
left sitting untouched and only slightly
misarranged according to size as if they
scampered to return to the rack before someone saw.
That's when they knew who caused all this
trouble. Those troublemakers the hoodys. Its
always the hoodys, you can't trust a one of them
I tel ya. And it doesn't matter if they have draw
straps, are pull overs or zip, have tattoos on
their chest like the T-shirts or not. No matter
what color, solid or multi-colored, they all were
there hanging presuming innocence while the rest
of us lay in a shambles on the store manager's pretty little floor.
------------------------------
Message: 13
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:44:05 -0500
From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoody bit
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Ah yes, ya gotta get those hoodies! Imagine being so arrogant that you
gotta put a cozy warm hat on someone lying in bed with the covers over
his
ears! What's the world coming to Gertrude? JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Dunse" <lists at braddunsemusic.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:14 AM
Subject: [stylist] Hoody bit
for a little self-amusement this morning :)
The store manager was new so I suppose you really
couldn't blame him. I don't think he had much
experience in this sort of thing before, but
after an incident such as this, I'm sure he's
learned a thing or two. A few of us tried to tell
him early on but it was as if he didn't even hear
us, or as if he couldn't understand us at all. It
was almost like he didn't speak our language.
Well, anyway. we didn't push too hard because we
had heard he was a bit hot under the collar,
though you really would not have thought that by
just looking at him. I mean his white pressed
short sleeved shirt and bright tan slacks were.
hmmm alright. I mean the slacks weren't that dark
so they were OK. I mean he couldn't wear white
slacks too or he'd look like a doctor or
something, you know, too clean and proper. No,
the light tan slacks were OK, too dark and well,
you know, *spoken in a whisper* the darky slacks.
no matter how you try to contrast them. because
of their color they just send the wrong message you know.
I on the other hand, with my official medium sky
blue long sleeves, neatly pressed chest pockets,
stiff unwrinkled collar standing proud atop the
wide shoulders, sharply contrasted dark blue
slacks creased commanding municipal respect
being tied off at the waist by a shiny black
leather belt, knew this sort of thing happens
from time to time. I might have expected it too
from the murmuring I thought I heard earlier on in the evening.
I'd say it happened somewhere around 11:00PM,
shortly after closing time and all the store
personnel had gone home for the night. The place
was dark and only the security lights lit certain
areas of the store. The dress shirt section was
well lit and out in the open, as was the tank
tops and plane sweat shirts. Even the wild
carefree T-shirts with their brazen multi-colored
logos slapped on them like cheap chest tattoos
were out in the open. There were others though
that were hidden in the shadows of the security
lights. If anyone should have been hidden from
the light it should really have been the
negligees and unmentionables but no, it wasn't
that way, not like other stores with. well you
see, this is where the store manager. well I'm
sure he knows now, but it always has to come to
something like this before anything is done about it.
As I said I think it had to be a little after
11:00PM, shortly after closing time, maybe
11:30PM I'm not really sure. I was standing there
quiet-like, the store was all still. And out of
the buzzing noise of the scantly illuminating
fluorescents, I thought I heard this whispering.
At first I wasn't sure but then it seemed to get
louder. Sure enough I began to hear these voices
and right away I knew what was happening. Their
accent and dialect gave them away even in the
darkness. As the murmuring grew louder I began to pick out what was
being
said.
"Look at you mon weeth your foncy stripes and
pressed coalars... get a load ofe deece guy
mon... oh... tsk tsk tsk. Aw. Jew popped a coople
boatens. Aw Chus like deece one here, dos a shame mon".
I knew right then we had trouble and it wasn't
going to be pretty. But what was I to do. The
manager had me clipped up on the display wall
with arms stretched out like I was being
crucified. I'm telling you, I mean I'm not
saying? I'm just saying. You know, I think the
manager had a lot of missed responsibility here.
New or not, well anyway, I could hear things were
heating up from another section ...
"Hey man look at this feller. he's a thinkin'
he's purdy smart wit dat Rayon tag he's a sportin' there. Well I'll
just..."
And then I heard this horrible tearing sound. I
mean he made off like he was going to rip off
just the tag but it sounded like he tore the
whole arm off the guy. All this was happening
just around the corner where I couldn't quite get
a good look at who the trouble makers were, but
I knew. Oh, I knew alright. It was easy for the
cops to tell too when they finally came in the next morning.
But anyway pinned helpless there I heard another
scream, I looked and finally I could see
something of what was going on just outside of
the shadows. It was coming from the negligee section.
"Get your hands off me you, you... you... piece of white... help!
Help!"
I looked over and it confirmed my suspicion. The
upper part of his garment was the tell tale thing
but with Lederhosen? I mean that's an odd
combination but these trouble makers, they'll
wear anything for an identity that draws attention to them.
All of a sudden the voices got louder. The
trouble makers with there accents and dialects
were pushing shoving and ripping everyone off
their hangers. You could hear shirts drop to the
floor, some in just a protective fetal position,
and others because they were yanked off the rack,
thrown down and stomped. Screams and torrents of
obscenities rang out along with fabric names.
Cotton, Rayon, Wool, Polyester Blend, you name it
and it was yelled out just before they were
beaten or tore to shreds. If attacking them for
their textile ethnicity wasn't good enough, the
troublemakers began spewing out styles. V-necks,
tank tops, button down, short sleeve, long
sleeve, no sleeve, it didn't matter they were out
to make their mark in the clothing section of the
store. cries for help rang out one after another
and like I say, there I was pinned against the
wall in "nail me to the cross" mode, unable to do anything.
Well, by the time the store manager got there in
the morning every stitch of clothing was tossed
on the floor. Buttons lay randomly in the isles
along with ripped off collars, pockets and
sleeves. Hangers littered the main isle next to
crumpled broken plastic displays and metal
tubular hanging racks tipped over. I was lucky
enough to have landed face down with the top of
my display wall propped up against the feet of
the denim shirt's round rack that was in front
of me before all this started, so I wasn't
crushed. Yes, every stitch of clothing was either
tore, had its buttons popped, its buckles
wrenched off, or otherwise destroyed. When the
humans walked in only one set of garments was
left sitting untouched and only slightly
misarranged according to size as if they
scampered to return to the rack before someone saw.
That's when they knew who caused all this
trouble. Those troublemakers the hoodys. Its
always the hoodys, you can't trust a one of them
I tel ya. And it doesn't matter if they have draw
straps, are pull overs or zip, have tattoos on
their chest like the T-shirts or not. No matter
what color, solid or multi-colored, they all were
there hanging presuming innocence while the rest
of us lay in a shambles on the store manager's pretty little floor.
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 08:49:12 -0600
From: "James H. \"Jim\" Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoody bit
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nice job brad!
jc
At 08:14 AM 1/5/2011, you wrote:
>for a little self-amusement this morning :)
>
>The store manager was new so I suppose you
>really couldn't blame him. I don't think he had
>much experience in this sort of thing before,
>but after an incident such as this, I'm sure
>he's learned a thing or two. A few of us tried
>to tell him early on but it was as if he didn't
>even hear us, or as if he couldn't understand us
>at all. It was almost like he didn't speak our
>language. Well, anyway? we didn't push too hard
>because we had heard he was a bit hot under the
>collar, though you really would not have thought
>that by just looking at him. I mean his white
>pressed short sleeved shirt and bright tan
>slacks were? hmmm alright. I mean the slacks
>weren't that dark so they were OK. I mean he
>couldn't wear white slacks too or he'd look like
>a doctor or something, you know, too clean and
>proper. No, the light tan slacks were OK, too
>dark and well, you know, *spoken in a whisper*
>the darky slacks? no matter how you try to
>contrast them? because of their color they just
>send the wrong message you know.
>
>I on the other hand, with my official medium
>sky blue long sleeves, neatly pressed chest
>pockets, stiff unwrinkled collar standing proud
>atop the wide shoulders, sharply contrasted dark
>blue slacks creased commanding municipal
>respect being tied off at the waist by a shiny
>black leather belt, knew this sort of thing
>happens from time to time. I might have expected
>it too from the murmuring I thought I heard earlier on in the evening.
>
>I'd say it happened somewhere around 11:00PM,
>shortly after closing time and all the store
>personnel had gone home for the night. The place
>was dark and only the security lights lit
>certain areas of the store. The dress shirt
>section was well lit and out in the open, as was
>the tank tops and plane sweat shirts. Even the
>wild carefree T-shirts with their brazen
>multi-colored logos slapped on them like cheap
>chest tattoos were out in the open. There were
>others though that were hidden in the shadows of
>the security lights. If anyone should have been
>hidden from the light it should really have been
>the negligees and unmentionables but no, it
>wasn't that way, not like other stores with?
>well you see, this is where the store manager?
>well I'm sure he knows now, but it always has to
>come to something like this before anything is done about it.
>
>As I said I think it had to be a little after
>11:00PM, shortly after closing time, maybe
>11:30PM I'm not really sure. I was standing
>there quiet-like, the store was all still. And
>out of the buzzing noise of the scantly
>illuminating fluorescents, I thought I heard
>this whispering. At first I wasn't sure but then
>it seemed to get louder. Sure enough I began to
>hear these voices and right away I knew what was
>happening. Their accent and dialect gave them
>away even in the darkness. As the murmuring grew
>louder I began to pick out what was being said.
>
>"Look at you mon weeth your foncy stripes and
>pressed coalars... get a load ofe deece guy
>mon... oh... tsk tsk tsk. Aw. Jew popped a
>coople boatens. Aw Chus like deece one here, dos a shame mon".
>
>I knew right then we had trouble and it wasn't
>going to be pretty. But what was I to do. The
>manager had me clipped up on the display wall
>with arms stretched out like I was being
>crucified. I'm telling you, I mean I'm not
>saying? I'm just saying. You know, I think the
>manager had a lot of missed responsibility here.
>New or not, well anyway, I could hear things
>were heating up from another section ...
>
>"Hey man look at this feller. he's a thinkin'
>he's purdy smart wit dat Rayon tag he's a sportin' there. Well I'll
just..."
>
>And then I heard this horrible tearing sound. I
>mean he made off like he was going to rip off
>just the tag but it sounded like he tore the
>whole arm off the guy. All this was happening
>just around the corner where I couldn't quite
>get a good look at who the trouble makers were,
>but I knew. Oh, I knew alright. It was easy for
>the cops to tell too when they finally came in the next morning.
>
>But anyway pinned helpless there I heard another
>scream, I looked and finally I could see
>something of what was going on just outside of
>the shadows. It was coming from the negligee section.
>
>"Get your hands off me you, you... you... piece of white... help!
Help!"
>
>I looked over and it confirmed my suspicion. The
>upper part of his garment was the tell tale
>thing but with Lederhosen? I mean that's an odd
>combination but these trouble makers, they'll
>wear anything for an identity that draws attention to them.
>
>All of a sudden the voices got louder. The
>trouble makers with there accents and dialects
>were pushing shoving and ripping everyone off
>their hangers. You could hear shirts drop to the
>floor, some in just a protective fetal position,
>and others because they were yanked off the
>rack, thrown down and stomped. Screams and
>torrents of obscenities rang out along with
>fabric names. Cotton, Rayon, Wool, Polyester
>Blend, you name it and it was yelled out just
>before they were beaten or tore to shreds. If
>attacking them for their textile ethnicity
>wasn't good enough, the troublemakers began
>spewing out styles. V-necks, tank tops, button
>down, short sleeve, long sleeve, no sleeve, it
>didn't matter they were out to make their mark
>in the clothing section of the store. cries for
>help rang out one after another and like I say,
>there I was pinned against the wall in "nail me
>to the cross" mode, unable to do anything.
>
>Well, by the time the store manager got there in
>the morning every stitch of clothing was tossed
>on the floor. Buttons lay randomly in the isles
>along with ripped off collars, pockets and
>sleeves. Hangers littered the main isle next to
>crumpled broken plastic displays and metal
>tubular hanging racks tipped over. I was lucky
>enough to have landed face down with the top of
>my display wall propped up against the feet of
>the denim shirt's round rack that was in front
>of me before all this started, so I wasn't
>crushed. Yes, every stitch of clothing was
>either tore, had its buttons popped, its buckles
>wrenched off, or otherwise destroyed. When the
>humans walked in only one set of garments was
>left sitting untouched and only slightly
>misarranged according to size as if they
>scampered to return to the rack before someone saw.
>
>That's when they knew who caused all this
>trouble. Those troublemakers the hoodys. Its
>always the hoodys, you can't trust a one of them
>I tel ya. And it doesn't matter if they have
>draw straps, are pull overs or zip, have tattoos
>on their chest like the T-shirts or not. No
>matter what color, solid or multi-colored, they
>all were there hanging presuming innocence while
>the rest of us lay in a shambles on the store manager's pretty little
floor.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:39:55 -0500
From: "Anita Adkins" <aadkins7 at verizon.net>
To: <newmanrl at cox.net>, "Writer's Division Mailing List"
<stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] New Editor for "Slate & Style"
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Hey,
Congratulations, Bridget. Anita
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "writers nfb" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: [stylist] New Editor for "Slate & Style"
> Dear Writers' Division Members and STYLIST
>
>
>
> After interviewing 5 prospective editors for "Slate & Style (S&S)," I
have
> chosen Bridget Pollpeter to take over as managing editor. Watch for
her
> post. I believe she will be writing of her thoughts and intent for a
new
> take on "Slate & Style." As I will, please do welcome and support her
in
> her
> efforts. "S&S" represents not only the Writers' division, but more
> specifically blind writers.
>
>
>
> Thank you all for your support in this matter.
>
>
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
>
> President- NFB Writers' Division
>
> Division Website
>
> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org>
http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>
> Personal Website-
>
> <http://www.thoughtprovoker.info> http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:52:07 -0600
From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] Hoods, Hoodlums and Hoody's
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"Those hoodlum's need to be caught and ... well, punished. What is this
world coming too!"
"Mom," I had to respond to this one. The family was sitting around the
kitchen table, the remnants of dinner not yet cleared away. The small
flat
screened TV on the countertop was on, a local Anchor was pushing the
usual
crime crap into the homes of the community, as if there wasn't anything
else
of news worthy in the city. We had just been told that the newest robber
garment of choice was the "Hoody;" its front pocket or pockets were
convenient for the carrying of a concealed weapon and the attached hood
was
great for covering up much of the wood-be robber's identifying features.
"Nobody uses that old term anymore. It's 'Gang-banger.'"
"Son," interjected my father, "in our day, these types were commonly
called
'Hoods or Hoodlum's' just like your mother said and I don't think anyone
today would not understand the meaning of the word."
"Well dad..." and I prepared myself to watch my tone, because I knew I
was
going to be taking a chance that my next words might be seen as
disrespectful, "that might depend upon which Hood the person you were
speaking to, was from."
-----Original Message-----
From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:09 AM
To: stylist at nfbnet.org
Subject: [stylist] Hoods and Hoodlums- writing exercise?
Hey,
Hoodlum, or hood, does not denote race, ethnicity, nationality or even
gender. For anyone to attach this word to a particular group is
perpetuating stereotypes.
Anyhow, to utilize this tangent, perhaps we can try writing a short
scene
using this word (or concept) as the impetus. It would be interesting to
see
what we can come up with.
Bridgit P
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 11:36:12 -0600
From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "writers nfb" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] Writers' division Monthly Telephone Gathering-
January 2011
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Here is an update:
For January, I am again seeking out a speaker who can talk to us about
technical writing. I just received back an e-mail from the editor for
the
"Society for Technical Communication." Liz tells me that she has someone
in
mind and that I should be hearing from, Char james-tanny (An STC member,
a
talented technical writer and industry guru, and a dynamic speaker).
Then for February, I am seeking out a tech person to come and talk to us
about using JAWS and Word and getting the best out of these tools as a
blind
writer. I believe this would also be of interest to those who use screen
enlargement as well- the Word discussion would be more open to general
use
and not so much just for JAWS users. And yes, as these discussions can
go,
each of us can share the points that we know.
--If you have ideas for our monthly gatherings, do send them to me. I am
always open to suggestions.
Robert Leslie Newman
President- NFB Writers' Division
Division Website
<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org>
http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
Personal Website-
http://www.thoughtprovoker.infoLiz
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 11:49:02 -0600
From: "The Crowd" <the_crowd at cox.net>
To: <newmanrl at cox.net>, "Writer's Division Mailing List"
<stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] editing question
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If someone is remembering a conversation, and they are remembering a
direct
quote is that in italics?
It is a thought, so that's how it works, right?
Thanks,
Atty
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