[stylist] Entering a Writing Contest is a risk

Eve Sanchez 3rdeyeonly at gmail.com
Tue Feb 21 21:13:07 UTC 2012 

Now you see, I always thought if we wanted treasure that we needed to dig
deep for it.  :) Eve

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Lynda Lambert <llambert at zoominternet.net>wrote:

> Eve, send out LOTS of ships, and watch to see what returns to you! :)
>
> The ones that will suit you best will return fully loaded with your
> treasure!
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez" <3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:49 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Entering a Writing Contest is a risk
>
>
>  I love all of the discussion. So what I am understanding from this is
>> that
>> the risk is to whether or not we may get our egos bruised. Well, I say
>> bruise away. Thanks all. At first I thought Robert meant something more
>> sinister as being a risk.  haha Eve
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Lynda Lambert
>> <llambert at zoominternet.net>**wrote:
>>
>>  Yes, this is how I am as well.
>>> I think of it as "casting my bread on the waters, and waiting to see what
>>> comes back to me." A biblical idea.
>>>
>>> Also, I remember reading, I think Dale Carnegie, but not sure, said that
>>> how can we expect our ship to come in, when we have never sent any out in
>>> the first place. So, every time I go to the mailbox, I will say to my
>>> husband, One of my ships may be out there in the mailbox. It is
>>> absolutely
>>> true. If we don't put it OUT in QUANTITY we will reap nothing at all.
>>>
>>> I love sales. I have always loved high end sales and used to work for
>>> Neiman Marcus, in Palo Allto, California in the early 90s. Every time I
>>> stepped inside the threshold of the door where we employees came in, I
>>> would feel so excited - I was going to HELP people, and enjoy them, and
>>> help them get the things they needed that day. They would leave with a
>>> smile, and I was smiling because they were so happy, too.
>>>
>>> I feel this way when I sell a painting, or have an award given to my
>>> work,
>>> or get a poem published. I know the publisher or buyer is happy with
>>> what I
>>> have given them and I am thrilled to have done it.
>>>
>>> In art and writing (it is all art, to me) it is important to be GENEROUS
>>> and to SHARE what you have to share.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lynda
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:34 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Entering a Writing Contest is a risk
>>>
>>>
>>>  Lynda,
>>>
>>>>  I think of the ratio of work sent out to positive results -- in
>>>> writing
>>>> and
>>>> in music -- as akin to sales. In sales, if you get 5% from a cold call
>>>> campaign or bulk mailing, you are considered to be doing extremely well.
>>>> For
>>>> me personally, I don't invest myself emotionally in any one attempt --
>>>>  be
>>>> it
>>>> a contest, agents or publications. What I try to do is to work on
>>>> getting
>>>> stuff out there. If I set a goal of contacting 100 literary agents, for
>>>> instance, who have a proven track record and an interest in my genre
>>>> (fantasy), then I first view success as working toward that goal. If
>>>> someone
>>>> rejects me, that too is a success, since a significant number of
>>>> rejections
>>>> are typical for any writer.
>>>> Donna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>  From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces@**nfbn**
>>>> et.org <http://nfbnet.org/><stylist-bounces at nfbnet.**org<stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Lynda Lambert
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 7:08 PM
>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Entering a Writing Contest is a risk
>>>>
>>>> This is all very true, Donna.
>>>> In fine art, if you get in a show 50 percent of the time, you are doing
>>>> so
>>>> well it is almost unbelievable. And, that is after years of doing your
>>>> art,
>>>> and with your degrees, etc. It is always a risk every time you enter
>>>> your
>>>> art in a show. ALWAYS. It never goes away. And, it is not a matter of
>>>> saying, "well, it is just that judges opinion." It is much more than
>>>> that.
>>>> All judges have a broad experience at looking at art, or reading written
>>>> entries. There is an overall sense of whether or not something "works."
>>>> It
>>>> does not matter what that particular judge's personal likes or dislikes
>>>> are.
>>>>
>>>> When it comes to judging, they weigh each thing for what it is not what
>>>> they
>>>>
>>>> personally do in their own work. Two or three judges can work on
>>>> selecting
>>>> the same body of entries. And, in the end there will be a lot of
>>>> agreement
>>>> in the things they choose because they are looking at the big picture of
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> craft itself.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't put it out for this kind of critique, you really won't grow
>>>> as
>>>> an artist. It is very important to begin to put your work before your
>>>> peers
>>>> in this way.  Just like here on this list.  It is good to get feedback
>>>> for
>>>> all of us.
>>>>
>>>> Lynda
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:48 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Entering a Writing Contest is a risk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert,
>>>>
>>>>>  Contests are part of putting your work out there for better or worse.
>>>>> Writers and all artists need thick skin, and I have met very few who
>>>>> come
>>>>> by
>>>>> that naturally. Some people are crushed to the point of not sharing
>>>>> their
>>>>> work or not even pursuing it. Others think they are thick-skinned, but
>>>>> they
>>>>> respond to rejection by essentially saying "who cares what they think"
>>>>> and
>>>>> fail to use the experience to re evaluate their skills. Anything,
>>>>> whether
>>>>> it's sharing your writing here, entering a contest or submitting your
>>>>> work
>>>>> to a publisher, constitutes an exercise that contributes to the
>>>>> "normalization" of criticism. Writers will get far more rejection than
>>>>> acceptance, so we all need to embrace that reality and, as Atty says,
>>>>> "write
>>>>> on."
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>  From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces@**nfbn**
>>>>> et.org <http://nfbnet.org/><stylist-bounces at nfbnet.**org<stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Robert Leslie Newman
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:41 AM
>>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>>> Subject: [stylist] Entering a Writing Contest is a risk
>>>>>
>>>>> Eve and others on STYLIST
>>>>>
>>>>> RE: What do the rest of you writers think on this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The question is: "Curious Robert, why do you say entering a contest is
>>>>> a
>>>>> risk?" eve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert's shortish answer: A writing contest is a competition, an
>>>>> activity
>>>>> where we agree to put ourselves out there to be judged. Granted, the
>>>>> exposure isn't the same if you compare a writing contest where not many
>>>>> others know we are actually competing, to taking part in a massive
>>>>> public
>>>>> sports event. But we know. And so in my mind the question more is ---
>>>>>  how
>>>>> do
>>>>> we help ourselves or one another to take on this risk of submitting our
>>>>> work
>>>>> to a contest, or to a publisher?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (Yeah --- what are the gains from the process working up to the taking
>>>>> of
>>>>> a
>>>>> risk, to the benefits that come with a successful outcome?)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> robert Leslie Newman
>>>>>
>>>>> Personall Website-
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>>>>> NFB Writers' Division, president
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