[stylist] songwriting vs. poetry

Tue Mar 6 01:16:37 UTC 2012

Hmm I think I missed seeing the original post :).

Brad

On 3/5/2012  06:03 PM Mary-Jo Lord said...
>LOL!  I'm sure it wasn't fun at the time, but the poem is hilarious.
>Mary-Jo
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Jacqueline Williams
>Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 5:24 PM
>To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [stylist] songwriting vs. poetry
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>Brad,
>I said I was not a song writer. You are about to get the first of three.
>Just call me a "song perverter."
>Because of the condition described, I did not get the Christmas assignment
>done until I had shed that terrible affliction. You will not have trouble
>with the tune. And in truth I wrote a version earlier when I experienced the
>same condition.
>Enjoy,,
>Jackie
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Brad Dunsé
>Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:38 PM
>To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [stylist] songwriting vs. poetry
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>There are several differing aspects to poems than lyrics.Off cuff here very
>quickly:
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>1. Songs shouldn't have stuff like red/read, blue/blew, etc.
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>2. Songs have about 3.5 minutes to get the point across while leaving space
>for a repeated chorus, not much time. Poems can take as long as they like.
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>3. Songs have to be written very conversational and simple, while poems can
>get all esoteric, complex and intellectual.  Why? See below.
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>4. Songs are on a force tempo. You can't stop and rewind a song on the radio
>or while listening to a live performer.  So if they don't "get it,"
>from the first listen, likely they'll miss an important part of the rest of
>the song. Reading poems, you can stop and think. Though that is not the case
>with a live reading of a poem, the reader can pause to allow for it.
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>5. Lyrics have to be written to match the genre or style of the music. That
>marriage is called prosody. No dirges with lyrics like, "Hey babe ya wanna
>DANCE with me tonight?"
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>6. Lyrics often are written to rhythmically fit in the groove, beat, or
>rhythm of the music.
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>7. Lyrics have to phonetically match the line of a song.  I'm sure someone
>else can remember the word for it, wait, plosives, yeah that's it. You don't
>want a long hanging note on certain words in certain situations. You want
>open vowels and not hard edged D's or even nasally N's.
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>These are just off cuff here but you get the idea.
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>Brad
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>6. lyric
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>On 2/28/2012  01:39 PM Barbara Hammel said...
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>So, what’s so different about writing songs from writing poetry?  I get that
>there usually is a chorus and two or three verses.  Sometimes there might
>even be a bridge thrown in for good measure. I’ve often though of trying my
>hand at songwriting, in fact I have one I wanted to give to someone to see
>if they could work up a tune for it but I wasn’t on that friendly a terms
>with her.  A friend and I wrote one, too, when she was in high school and I
>was in college.  I saw the email with Brad’s tip, so will look at that, too.
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>Barbara Poetry is an echo, asking a shadow to dance. -- Carl Sandburg
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