[stylist] To ponder- taken to another level

Anita Ogletree yrstrli at gmail.com
Sun Feb 10 02:05:40 UTC 2013


And I thought I was the onbby one who felt like people tend to 
avoid me because I am blind.  It reminds me of the time when I 
was moving into a dorm room with this girl who told me as I was 
bringing my things in that she couldn't help me with anything.
The guy that was helping me politely told her that I wouldn't 
need her help.  But there are some kin folk that behave the same 
way as total strangers.  And it hurts, you know?

Anita

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net
>To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:10:49 -0600
>Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level

>Lynda and Donna

>Yes, do speak up in situations like this.  It always surprises 
and yes,
>disappoints me, but people can find blindness to be one of those 
life
>factors to be uncomfortable with.  Yeah, going blind is for too 
many of us a
>major factor in losing friends and in the reluctance of new 
people becoming
>our friend.



>-----Original Message-----
>From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Donna Hill
>Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 2:14 PM
>To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level

>Lynda,
>They deserve that little tap.  On the other hand, you knew that 
woman; she
>could just as easily say that you ignored her.  I'm sure that 
wasn't what was
>actually going on, but just as an idea, why don't you consider 
saying
>something next time? It could be as inocent as, "Hi, you're Peg 
from
>knitting aren't you?" Some people are extremely uncomfortable 
about talking
>to blind people.  She might think you would probably start crying 
all over
>the place about how you miss knitting so much and wish you could 
still do
>it.  She has prejudices that are not going to help either her or 
her loved
>ones should any of them lose their sight.
>Donna
>-----Original Message-----
>From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Lynda Lambert
>Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 10:02 AM
>To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level

>Yes, Bridgit, I had just responded to this topic before I read 
your note
>here.  I spoke of my husband's inability to spell - which he 
would not
>appreciate me talking about, I am sure.  We will be  married 52 
years in
>April,; I guess he would not be surprised that I said this about 
him.

>Yes, I also have retained my visual way of doing things but have 
had to
>adapt to make it work because I have to do most things 
non-visually these
>days.  I am on the Krafters-Korner NFB list and have received 
many good tops
>there to help me re-learn how to do things I used to do.  That 
group has been
>wonderful in helping each other through challenges we have in 
doing things
>non-visually.

>I have never been blind in my dreams - and I dream constantly.  I 
am never
>blind in my own consciousness unless I am faced with an 
uncomfortable or
>frightening situation and then I find that I become very blind at 
times.
>Mostly that happens when I am out and come upon someone who knows 
me well,
>and they do not know that I can tell they are there - and they 
choose to be
>silent and not even acknowlege I am there.  This happened 
yesterday at the
>beauty shop.  I was aware that a woman came into the shop as she 
passed by
>me.  I had a feeling I might know her because my hairdresser 
called her
>"Peg." That is an unusual name, and I have only known about two 
Pegs or
>Peggy's in my life.  So I was alert, wondering if this was one 
that I know.
>Shortly, she was seated in the waiting area and I came in there 
to get my
>purse to pay for my services.  I was only 3 feet from her, and 
she was facing
>me.  I see shadows, but no details, so I could tell the person 
was looking
>directly at me.  Absolute quiet! Not a hint that she knew me.  As 
I had been
>listening to her for awhile, I recognized her voice as she spoke 
with
>others.  It was definitely a lady from my knitting group who has 
known me for
>a couple of years.  I have sat with her in small groups of 
knitters at
>different homes.  I have been in her home on several occasions.  
Yet, when she
>ran into me at the hair dressers, she chose to be quiet and wait 
it out -
>not in any way indicating we knew each other.  My husband 
arrived, and as we
>drove home I told him what has just happened to me.  This is the 
kind of
>thing I mean, when I say at times I feel very blind.  This is the 
kind of
>encounter only a blind person would have - because she has no 
idea I can
>tell who she is, so she chose to ignore me.

>My daughters and grand daughters often tell me how people will 
stare at me
>because they see me walking with a long white cane.  It amazes 
them how a
>perfect stranger will stand beside me in line at a restaurant and 
actually
>turn around and be looking directly at me because they think I 
cannot see
>them.  But, I can tell they are doing it.  It is times like this 
when I
>"accidently" hit them with my cane as I walk by.


>Lynda




>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
>To: <stylist at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 3:29 AM
>Subject: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level


>> Lynda,

>> I agree with you on this topic.  Despite my blindness, I'm a 
very
>> visual person.  I lost my sight nine years ago, but I continue 
to be an
>> extremely visual person.

>> I have learned Braille though, and studies have shown that when
>> learning Braille, even when not able to see at all, the brain is 
using
>> its visual aspect.

>> Each Braille character represents a letter in the alphabet and 
the
>> exact punctuation as print.  Essentially it's a tactile form of 
print.
>> People assume it's paramount to a foreign language, but Braille 
is the
>> exact same language using the same rules for grammar, 
punctuation and
>> spelling, just in a tactile form.  Various languages have their 
version
>> of Braille since many languages have nuances.

>> I too have wondered how people who have never been able to see
>> visualize things.  I once asked a friend if he "saw" his dreams, 
and he
>> said he dreams with his other senses, which is very interesting.

>> I also met a fellow Federationist who is totally blind and 
always
>> been, and she was an art major at one of the big universities in
>> Texas.  Of course there are blind medical doctors and engineers 
along
>> with others working in what would seem like very visual fields, 
and
>> this doesn't cover all the interests and hobbies like crafts, 
cars and
>athletics.

>> I think more and more blind people are facing challenges, and 
instead
>> of thinking about limitations, they are figuring out how to 
hurdle
>> that obstacle.

>> I do agree that I've met several blind people who misspell words
>> frequently, but I don't know if this is due to an inability to 
spell,
>> if they were not taught correctly or if they just don't edit 
before
>> sending material.  I think a lot of people have this problem, 
blind and
>sighted.
>> JAWS is great for this because you actually hear the word, that 
is if
>> you take time to read through what you wrote, grin.  But yes, I 
think
>> people who only know Braille can find difficulties when 
switching to
>> print on a keyboard.  Many choose to use a Braille display 
and/or
>> Braille keyboard.  I' not saying all Braille users are like 
this, but I
>> have met many who are.

>> Ultimately, these things are most likely unique to individuals 
and not
>> necessarily a result of a disability.  If you can't spell when 
blind,
>> chances are good you couldn't spell if sighted, smile.

>> Sincerely,

>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style Read my blog 
at:
>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

>> "If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world 
can
>> satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created 
for
>> another world."
>> C.  S.  Lewis



>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:02:00 -0500
>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
>> Message-ID: <D52994C7F7964817A957168910B552B3 at Lambert
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>> This is a really good question, Robert.
>> I have noticed that so many blind people spell things so wonky, 
and
>> maybe this is why.  I always wonder is spelling is  really 
taught and
>> learned visually.  I really have no experience with any of the
>> discussion on Braille because I do not use it - I do everything 
with
>> electronics and some things
>> with a CCTV.   I have only had sight loss for 5 years, so I 
really have
>> no
>> idea how blind children learn things like spelling, grammar,
>> formatting, and punctuation.  To me, they are all visual, and it 
is
>> very hard for me to understand it any other way - well, I really 
don't
>> understand it any other way.  When I am reading (listening to a 
voice
>> on a machine) I am still listening visually.  I see it in my 
mind, and
>> if I cannot see it that way, it's confusing to me.  Auditory 
skills
>> would rate very low  for me.
>> Everyone has strength in certain skills and ways of learning - 
and I
>> am a Visual learner above all else.  That did not change - I 
still have
>> to be able to SEE it to remember it - I have to stop and SEE a 
picture
>> in my mind before it sticks with me.
>> Writing and reading, for me, has always been a visual 
experience.
>> This makes me wonder, can a person who has always been blind be 
a
>> Visual learner?
>> And, then, I wonder, how does a blind person visualize things?  
These
>> are some things I am thinking about and working with a blind 
painter
>> friend to put together an exhibition on how people  see and 
visualize.



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