[stylist] more on this subject of Working in blindness field
justin williams
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I wish you had punched her too.
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From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Donna Hill
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:47 PM
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Lynda,
Yes, there are many marginalized kids and adults in this world, and with
the recession more than before. It is enfuriating when you think of the
"privileged" and how much they take for granted and how they have
insullation against their own short-comings and bad decisions. Good for your
daughter trying to help them.
By the time I got to junior high, they were asking kids to choose either
college prep or commercial as a course of study to pursue starting in the
eighth grade. I chose college prep, but I had an encounter with a fellow 7th
grader that really riled me up. She was the daughter of a Lafayette College
professor. She came to school on the morning we were to make our decisions
final and sought me out. She explained, in what I thought was a rather
haughty manner, that her father was a professor and that she discussed my
situation with him at dinner the night before. She knew I wanted to take
college prep. She said that the entire family had agreed that it would be a
mistake for me to consider going to college; there simply was no way I could
do the work. I wish I had punched her, but alas, I didn't.
Donna
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From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Lambert
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:27 PM
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Donna,
Wow, you perked up my memory, too. yes, it was that same dexterity test that
I took, with pegs and holes. But, being the obsessive compulsive and over
achiever that I am, well, I aced it! Therefore, I was "pegged" to be put
into the proper hole for my future good. lol It was the law that they had
to give those tests to students, and they had to have a meeting with every
student at least one time during the 4 years of high school. My meeting
took place after the test was given, just before I graduated - so it would
be "legal."
The other criteria that I see on looking back on all this stuff is that only
the kids from professional backgrounds at home (their parents), were marked
for going on to college. The rest, were pegged for manual labor in a
factory, despite intelligence testing. Children who came from the blue
collar families were seldom, and I do mean very seldom, ever encouraged to
even think of anything else. Marginalization really begins in the earliest
years of life - and it still does - and that has far more to do with
economic issues than it does a disability issue.
My daughter is the librarian of a very FANCY and elite new school.. Of the
600 students who are there, all but 40 of those students come from fairly
wealthy families and are "entitled" - she asked me recently, "Do you think
those 40 children do not stand out like a sore thumb? " When they have a
book fair, many of those children have a "budget" of about $50. to spend on
books that day. The other 40 children come up to her with some small change
in their hand and ask if there is anything they can buy with it! Not only
are they children who are completely out of place in the economic picture,
they are really denied basic rights to even own a book because they have no
money to buy one. (She is creating some clever ways to get books into their
hands anyway, but it will be at her own expense.)
I do believe that no matter how marginalized people with blindness feel,
there are zillions of others who are also marginalized as well by our
education system, and uncaring entitled class.
In the small rural town where I live, over 42 percent of the children in our
school district are children from below the poverty line. Their parents,
for the most part, are the "working poor." They work 2 jobs each, and
therefore the children are left to fend for themselves because Mom and Dad
are working day and night just to survive. I don't think we can be very
optimistic about the future of that 42 percent here, do you? Just makes me
sick.
Lynda
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From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:11 PM
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> Lynda,
> You bring up one of those similarities I'm always talking about
> between the blindness movement and other civil rights movements. Years
> ago, the normal perception of women did not include much in the way of
> career-readiness.
> Sure, women had to work in factories in WWII to support the war
> effort, but as for careers, you could teach or be a nurse; that was
> about it. The underlying message was that when it came to what was
> best for women, men knew best . Fortunately, we have come a long way,
> baby!
>
> The whole erasers on pencils thing has dredged up another memory. When
> I was in junior high, they made me take a test of my manual dexterity,
> which I didn't think at the time was something that other kids got. .
> It involved putting pegs into holes on a board -- literally the square
> peg in the round hole kind of thing. I was overpowered by the
> impression that, if I did well on this test, they would push me into
> manual labor of some sort. I didn't know what I could do, but I knew I
> wasn't having fantasies about putting pegs in holes, so I "threw" the
> test -- figuratively speaking.
>
> I had a hard time with setting goals, because on some level I believed
> that I couldn't do anything. I had secret dreams of what I'd like to
> do, but there was a real disconnect between that and having a plan.
> The thing that kept me going was the knowledge that, whatever anyone
> else said or how true it was, I didn't want those things to be true.
> That's really all I had.
> Goals came later. My somewhat cynical version of the Plan A thing is
> that if you strive for Plan A, you might not make it, but you might
> make plan B.
> If
> you don't strive for plan A, you're not even going to make plan B.
> Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
> Lambert
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:47 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] more on this subject of Working in blindness
> field
>
> Donna,
> You might have been putting erasers in pencils - OMG!
> Can you envision yourself in such a place? Never!
> You are living proof of seeking out a goal that is a passion and going
> for it.
>
> When I graduated from high school, in the dark ages of course, I as
> told by the counselor that I had really good hand and eye
> coordination, so I should work our very well in a factory assembly
> line. Never mind that my IQ was already beyond that of a college
> graduate - no, I should apply for a laborer job. OMG. I would have
> been fired very quickly from such a job as I would have been there
> daydreaming and imagining and I would have either had a bad accident,
> or caused the entire place to be in shut down mode from something
> stupid I would have done.
>
> I could not do any kind of repetitive activity for even a day -
> probably not even for an hour, really. I really had a good laugh at
> the thought of you doing the erasers, but then, that isn't really
> funny when you follow it to it's end, is it?
>
>
> When my students would sit down with me and we would discuss their
> schedule and their plans for a major, I told them to never settle for
> anything other than what they have a passion for - because if they do,
> in mid-life they will be longing for the thing they wanted in the
> first place - and so many people at mid-life are so unhappy with the
> life they created for themselves.
>
> Even if they are financially successful, the failure to pursue their
> dream is still with them. I have seen this many times.
>
>
> Lynda
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:29 PM
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> field
>
>
>> Good advice.
>> Donna
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
>> Lambert
>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:24 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [stylist] more on this subject of Working in blindness
>> field
>>
>> I recommend the book, "Cockeyed" - which is available through library
>> of congress for the reading machines we have - a teenager who was
>> going blind, and became a professor of English - it is super funny -
>> and yet so enlightening as to the high goals a person can achieve by
>> never settling for Plan B.
>> My advice, is, those who plan for Plan B, end up being there instead
>> of at Plan A where they really wanted to be.
>> I do not believe in settling for anything less than the absolute
>> desire of your heart - Plan A is the only acceptable plan in my own
>> life. I am an advid believer in being completely outside the comfort
>> level for as long as it takes to achieve your goals. And, once you
>> are "there" you continue to work your butt off without any excuses.
>> Excellence is the only path worth following.
>>
>> Lynda
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] more on this subject of Working in blindness
>> field
>>
>>
>>> New Braska is all kinds of awesome. Some states are better than others.
>>> Any field is open, but you may have to move to find it. Aiwa is
>>> another good state. Leaving out the venders and customer service
>>> reps, no disrespect to any of the people in those fields, human
>>> service or computer programming fields followed by professors and
>>> lawyers seem to be where totals or braille users work. This is by
>>> no means cut and dry, and I am not including lo vision applicants,
>>> because the better your sight, the more likely you will be to have a
>>> job which is outside of that block of fiends that I just mentioned.
>>> I've met braille users in just about every type of career field, but
>>> keep in mind that a person who is blind does develop and emphasize a
>>> slightly different skill set which naturally fits them better to
>>> certain fields. Going outside of those fields generally speaking,
>>> will force the person to have to constantly perform at a higher
>>> level of skill just to have a chance of success. Of course, that is
>>> possible. But remember, I am making a basic statement. Feel free
>>> to enlighten me further. Remember, I am saying this with the caveat
>>> that anything is possible, and I have met Blind teachers, mechanics,
>>> business owners who are not venders, cabinent makers, among others.
>>> Not all of the teachers were teachers of the bisually impaired.
>>> Some taught in standard classroom formats. I have heard of blind
>>> electricians, met travel agents, there you go, travel agent is
>>> another field for the blind, and even read the article on the blind
>>> doctor. I think he is somewhere in canada.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Robert Leslie Newman
>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:14 AM
>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>> Subject: [stylist] more on this subject of Working in blindness
>>> field
>>>
>>> Guys
>>> Back when I started working for the commission for the Blind here in
>>> Nebraska, back in the seventies, our federation had the mindset
>>> (this is a
>>> generalization) that if you as a blind person had one of those jobs,
>>> then you were suspect, as in you had gone over to the other side,
>>> that of the enemy! (This was the state of relations between the
>>> progressive blind and the rehab services.) Boy, back then, in a NFB
>>> chapter around here, you mostly weren't encouraged to try and become
>>> an officer, because it was feared that you would be a spy for the
>>> rehab side, and would be pushing their (the bad guys) agenda. But
>>> --- this all changed. Here in Nebraska and in New Mexico and maybe
>>> in some other states, the NFB got the bad agency head folks fired
>>> and had a hand in who and what changes had to occur --- and so the
>>> NFB philosophy got the upper hand. And then, it became respectful
>>> for NFB members to be part of the rehab scene. (Here in the Omaha
>>> chapter we still have one older member, like in the 80's who doesn't
>>> like seeing a rehab professional being in a leadership position.)
>>>
>>> Think of it, one of the larger and more active NFB Division's is the
>>> Rehabilitation Professionals.
>>>
>>> #2 Taking a serious look at job opportunities for the blind in blind
>>> related professions --- count up the number of rehab agencies and/or
>>> other services around the country and add up how many blind folks
>>> are working within them and I bet that number is not as great as you
>>> think!!! Consider, that in general, the not so good agencies who
>>> have low expectations are the ones that will more than likely hire
>>> only a few token blind workers. And the better rehab services, which
>>> are the minority in this nationwide group that we are looking at ---
>>> sure, they may have more blind guys on staff.
>>> (Nebraska at present has 1 blind related rehab service only. They
>>> have a total staff at the commission that numbers around 55 and 17 are
blind.
>>> All
>>> other employed blind people work in a variety of other jobs;
>>> Nebraska is one of the better states for employment of the blind and
>>> there are a bunch of folks that are doing all kinds of jobs.) So
>>> watch that thought of yours, that there are a big number of blind
>>> folks working in blind related jobs --- for either reason of- A.
>>> That is where they are accepted. Or B. That it is the job that the
>>> blind think of first as to what they can do.
>>>
>>> (Just my rambling for this morning.)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:08 AM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Working in blindness field
>>>
>>> Bridget,
>>>
>>> Could it be that more of the state board members and generally more
>>> really active members of the NFB are working in the blindness field
>>> because blindness is their passion?It makes sense to me that if
>>> promoting opportunities for blind people was your life's mission
>>> that you'd work in that field and be more active within an
>>> organization that supported you.
>>> I
>>> do think all blind people have an interest in achieving true
>>> equality for blind people. However I think for some it is their
>>> major life's work, while for others of us it is something we do when
>>> we can around our other main pursuits. So it makes sense to me that
>>> there would be a large number of people within the NFB that do or
>>> want to work in the blindness field.
>>>
>>> I've been blind for around 20 years now. While I do know quite a
>>> few blind people who work in the blindness field, I'd say I know a
>>> larger number who don't. Perhaps that's because I have never been
>>> very involved in leadership within the NFB. It does seem that those
>>> in leadership positions do work in the blindness field much more
>>> frequently. Again that makes sense to me due to their strong
>>> interest and commitment to the cause.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2013 11:13 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>>>> Ashley,
>>>>
>>>> Without actual stats, we can't really debate this, but that being
>>>> said, I beg to differ, at least to a degree.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think anyone here is trying to make generalizations seeing as
>>>> we all are blind, but we are all speaking from our experiences and
>>>> personal observations.
>>>>
>>>> In the ten years I've been blind, which isn't long compared to some,
>>>> I've met more blind people working in a blindness-related field or
>>>> hoping to be employed in a blindness related field. For every lawyer,
>>>> teacher and computer programmer I've met, I've met ten who worked in a
>>>> job relating to blindness.
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing wrong with this, and most of us would agree that blind
>>>> people need to be working in these fields, but I also think it can
>>>> become a safety net for some; not all, but many.
>>>>
>>>> I've been to NFB conventions, and yes, there are people employed in
>>>> various fields, and many scholarship winners plan to, or are, pursuing
>>>> a myriad of career paths, but again, for every one of these people
>>>> I've met, I've met a dozen working in the blindness field. Or many of
>>>> these people end up in a blindness field despite their choice of
>>>> degree.
>>>>
>>>> And having heard several scholarship winners speak at conventions, a
>>>> good number of them hope to work in some way in a blindness field or
>>>> teaching the blind. Again, nothing wrong with this, and we do need
>>>> blind people doing this, but, for me, it shows how many blind people
>>>> go into a blindness related field.
>>>>
>>>> And in our affiliate, most of the leadership either works in the
>>>> blindness field or hopes too. Of our eleven state board members, only
>>>> two are employed outside of a blindness field, and one is working
>>>> towards a degree so they can work in a blindness job.
>>>>
>>>> More and more blind people are seeking opportunities outside of a
>>>> blindness related career, but many are still drawn to the field for
>>>> whatever reason. Again, we need strong, competent blind people in this
>>>> field, but we also need to consider what we truly want as a person and
>>>> not a blind person.
>>>>
>>>> And a side note, I don't think Lynda meant anything negative by her
>>>> comments nor was she implying all blind people work in a blindness
>>>> related field. She was merely detailing her experience and speaking to
>>>> that experience alone.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> Message: 11
>>>> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 22:28:29 -0500
>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett"<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List"<stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Sending this again: Article
>>>> showingwhatparentsofblindkids are facing
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>>>> Lynda,
>>>> I beg to differ. Have you been to a nfb convention?
>>>> There are people employed in all walks of life and most scholarship
>>>> winners have a career aspiration in a non blindness field; they
>>>> include future teachers, therapists, researchers, counselors, and
>>>> doctors.
>>>> Most blind people I know work either in the IT field as computer
>>>> programmers or in the government, far from the blindness fields! Read
>>>> the braille monitor and you will see the wide variety of fields too!
>>>>
>>>>
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