[stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU

Mon Jul 1 16:52:37 UTC 2013

You can click on several places, besides the graphic of the book. There are 
multiple places that can be clicked to go to different links.
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 From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
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> Didn't think of trying Firefox. May see if that makes a difference with
> this situation. What the biggest problem here is that it involves
> clicking on a graphic of the book. There's no corresponding link or
> graphic link, and JAWS isn't built to recognize graphics and pictures
> unless something specific is built into the software. I believe current
> versions of JAWS have more features to support website navigation, but
> in general, items that are visual only and not created, either on the
> website or with JAWS, it will not recognize such material.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Donna
> Hill
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 10:25 AM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>
>
> Lynda,
> It's no mystery that certain screen readers work better on certain
> things than others. They're all made for and with different software.
> Apple's Voice Over is an integral part of Apple's operating system and
> available with all (I think) Apple products. Jaws, Window Eyes, NVDA,
> and others are third-party programs that do the best they can to catch
> up with Windows -- not an enviable position in my view.
>
> The mystery to me is when the same screen reader works differently for
> different people on essentially the same systems. One of my current
> favorite bewilderments has to do with IE10 and Firefox and Jaws. I have
> both IE & Firefox as browsers, because one is often better than the
> other for specific sites and functions. I put an audio clip of our frogs
> in my last blog post. It's a Sound Cloud player. On Firefox, the play
> button is there and accessible; on IE, it's not there at all. Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
> Lambert
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 7:07 AM
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>
> but yet, it works just fine with a MAC - so that is what is a mystery to
> me. Seems like it would be a PC problem - but I know next to nothing
> about stuff like this so cannot help at all. Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
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>
>> You can do this only if a graphic link exist. It would appear there's
>> no link or graphic link, therefore JAWS won't work.
>>
>> If anyone else has tried doing this step Lynda posted with JAWS and
>> knows something I'm not aware of, please enlighten us.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
>> Bramlett
>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 7:55 PM
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>>
>> Hello,
>> FYI, for unlabeled graphic links, you can custom label it. Press
>> insertcontrol tab to do this.
>> But if the link doesn't appear with jaws, noting you can do.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:45 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>
>> It's obviously something JAWS isn't programmed to recognize. Since you
>> need to click on the book cover, it's a picture, which JAWS doesn't
>> recognize, and there's no corresponding link or graphic link that JAWS
>
>> will recognize. Clearly the Apple voice-over has been programmed to
>> recognize some kind of coding that JAWS doesn't. I'm not familiar with
>
>> how the Apple voice-over works, but I think it may be more flexible,
>> to an extent, than JAWS. One of our techy people may be able to better
>
>> answer this.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary-Jo
>> Lord
>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 5:44 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>
>>
>> It is something that Jaws isn't seeing or finding, that the Voiceover
>> on the Mac is picking up.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
>> Lambert
>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:03 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>
>> So, I am thinking that the accessibility problem is not amazon, but
>> JAWS that does not allow you to access it on a PC, but does on a MAC?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mary-Jo Lord" <mjfingerprints at comcast.net>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 9:37 AM
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>>
>>
>>> Hi Linda,
>>>
>>> I was unable to find this information with Jaws either, but my
>>> sighted
>>
>>> son was. Then just to see what happens, I used the Mac, and was able
>>> to follow your directions and find the information. I guess I'll be
>>> doing my book browsing with Amazon on my Mac.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
>>> Lambert
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:00 AM
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>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>>
>>> ahhhhh, so that is the problem. How in the world have you ordered
>>> books without being able to explore what is inside them? I hope JAWS
>>> is accessable on amazon, and that someone on the list can help you
>>> with it. My directions will work for anyone using Zoom Text - sorry I
>
>>> cannot help with JAWS
>> since
>>
>>> I
>>> only use it for reading and writing word documents and for reading
>>> emails.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 1:16 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lynda,
>>>>
>>>> As I said, I'm pretty well aquainted with searching on Amazon. Part
>>>> of the issue is that you're not using terms JAWS does. For instance,
>
>>>> you say, "Near the search bar, designate your search for "books" on
>>>> the list to the left of the bar." What this means is that there is a
>
>>>> combo box you can select the category "Books" to find the anthology,
>
>>>> and the edit field is where you type the name of the book. Your
>>>> directions are based on how it's done visually and not with JAWS.
>>>> The
>>
>>>> terminology is different with JAWS.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, you can use the H key to navigate the search, and the
>>>> first
>>
>>>> book that pops up is the current BOE anthology. You can press enter
>>>> on this title to open up more details as well as to purchase the
>>>> book.
>>>>
>>>> Nonetheless, it doesn't appear this accessible with JAWS. I've had
>>>> my
>>
>>>> hubby double check too to make sure I'm not crazy. There's no link,
>>>> button, check box, combo box-- nothing stating what you provide in
>>>> your directions. If there was in deed a link titled such, when
>>>> pulling up links list with the insert and F7 keys, it would appear,
>>>> but it does not. Doing a control F to search for anything titled
>>>> this
>>
>>>> doesn't bring anything up either.
>>>>
>>>> I think part of the problem is that your directions are for anyone
>>>> doing it visually, and it would appear it's not accessible with JAWS
>
>>>> to access the options you list.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty good with using JAWS and my computer, but my hubby is not
>>>> only extremely well-versed with the tool, he's taught JAWS and once
>>>> had his certification in the program. So I'm confident he knows what
>
>>>> he's talking about. We've both spent time looking the page up and
>>>> down with no luck. And from what he can tell visually, there doesn't
>
>>>> seem to be any links above the picture as you state. He's sees links
>
>>>> for an advanced search, new releases and New York Times bestsellers
>>>> but nothing you list.
>>>>
>>>> When using a mouse, there possibly could be inaccessible menus
>>>> and/or
>>
>>>> dialogue boxes that open up, but JAWS finds nothing you have listed.
>
>>>> And like I said, when pulling up the links list after finding the
>>>> book, there's no links you say should be there.
>>>>
>>>> If any JAWS user has better luck, please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>>
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