[stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU

Bridgit Pollpeter bpollpeter at hotmail.com
Mon Jul 1 18:50:49 UTC 2013 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're using magnification only when
online, right? You said in an earlier post that you use a screenreader
for MS Word but magnification for the internet. So this makes me assume
you're online visually only. This is what is making the difference. If
I'm wrong and you're using a screenreader, it could be that that
screenreader was created with coding to support certain navigation that
other screenreaders don't have.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
Lambert
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 12:02 PM
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I use google chrome, do you think that is what makes a difference so
that I 
can do everything without any problems?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
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Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 11:25 AM
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> Lynda,
> It's no mystery that certain screen readers work better on certain 
> things than others. They're all made for and with different software. 
> Apple's Voice Over is an integral part of Apple's operating system and

> available with all
> (I think) Apple products. Jaws, Window Eyes, NVDA, and others are
> third-party programs that do the best they can to catch up with
Windows --
> not an enviable position in my view.
>
> The mystery to me is when the same screen reader works differently for

> different people on essentially the same systems. One of my current 
> favorite bewilderments has to do with IE10 and Firefox and Jaws. I 
> have both IE & Firefox as browsers, because one is often better than 
> the other for specific
> sites and functions. I put an audio clip of our frogs in my last blog 
> post.
> It's a Sound Cloud player. On Firefox, the play button is there and
> accessible; on IE, it's not there at all.
> Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
> Lambert
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 7:07 AM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>
> but yet, it works just fine with a MAC - so that is what is a mystery 
> to
> me.
> Seems like it would be a PC problem - but I know next to nothing about

> stuff
> like this so cannot help at all.
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>
>
>> You can do this only if a graphic link exist. It would appear there's

>> no link or graphic link, therefore JAWS won't work.
>>
>> If anyone else has tried doing this step Lynda posted with JAWS and 
>> knows something I'm not aware of, please enlighten us.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley

>> Bramlett
>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 7:55 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>> FYI, for unlabeled graphic links, you can custom label it. Press 
>> insertcontrol tab to do this. But if the link doesn't appear with 
>> jaws, noting you can do.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:45 PM
>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>
>> It's obviously something JAWS isn't programmed to recognize. Since 
>> you need to click on the book cover, it's a picture, which JAWS 
>> doesn't recognize, and there's no corresponding link or graphic link 
>> that JAWS will recognize. Clearly the Apple voice-over has been 
>> programmed to recognize some kind of coding that JAWS doesn't. I'm 
>> not familiar with how the Apple voice-over works, but I think it may 
>> be more flexible, to an extent, than JAWS. One of our techy people 
>> may be able to better answer this.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Mary-Jo Lord
>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 5:44 PM
>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>
>>
>> It is something that Jaws isn't seeing or finding, that the Voiceover

>> on the Mac is picking up.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda 
>> Lambert
>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:03 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>
>> So, I am thinking that the accessibility problem is not amazon, but 
>> JAWS that does not allow you to access it on a PC, but does on a MAC?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mary-Jo Lord" <mjfingerprints at comcast.net>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 9:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>
>>
>>> Hi Linda,
>>>
>>> I was unable to find this information with Jaws either, but my 
>>> sighted
>>
>>> son was. Then just to see what happens, I used the Mac, and was able

>>> to follow your directions and find the information. I guess I'll be 
>>> doing my book browsing with Amazon on my Mac.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda

>>> Lambert
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:00 AM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>>
>>> ahhhhh, so that is the problem. How in the world have you ordered 
>>> books without being able to explore what is inside them? I hope JAWS

>>> is accessable on amazon, and that someone on the list can help you 
>>> with it. My directions will work for anyone using Zoom Text - sorry 
>>> I cannot help with JAWS
>> since
>>
>>> I
>>> only use it for reading and writing word documents and for reading 
>>> emails.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 1:16 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lynda,
>>>>
>>>> As I said, I'm pretty well aquainted with searching on Amazon. Part

>>>> of the issue is that you're not using terms JAWS does. For 
>>>> instance, you say, "Near the search bar, designate your search for 
>>>> "books" on the list to the left of the bar." What this means is 
>>>> that there is a combo box you can select the category "Books" to 
>>>> find the anthology, and the edit field is where you type the name 
>>>> of the book. Your directions are based on how it's done visually 
>>>> and not with JAWS. The
>>
>>>> terminology is different with JAWS.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, you can use the H key to navigate the search, and the 
>>>> first
>>
>>>> book that pops up is the current BOE anthology. You can press enter

>>>> on this title to open up more details as well as to purchase the 
>>>> book.
>>>>
>>>> Nonetheless, it doesn't appear this accessible with JAWS. I've had 
>>>> my
>>
>>>> hubby double check too to make sure I'm not crazy. There's no link,

>>>> button, check box, combo box-- nothing stating what you provide in 
>>>> your directions. If there was in deed a link titled such, when 
>>>> pulling up links list with the insert and F7 keys, it would appear,

>>>> but it does not. Doing a control F to search for anything titled 
>>>> this
>>
>>>> doesn't bring anything up either.
>>>>
>>>> I think part of the problem is that your directions are for anyone 
>>>> doing it visually, and it would appear it's not accessible with 
>>>> JAWS to access the options you list.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty good with using JAWS and my computer, but my hubby is 
>>>> not only extremely well-versed with the tool, he's taught JAWS and 
>>>> once had his certification in the program. So I'm confident he 
>>>> knows what he's talking about. We've both spent time looking the 
>>>> page up and down with no luck. And from what he can tell visually, 
>>>> there doesn't seem to be any links above the picture as you state. 
>>>> He's sees links for an advanced search, new releases and New York 
>>>> Times bestsellers but nothing you list.
>>>>
>>>> When using a mouse, there possibly could be inaccessible menus 
>>>> and/or
>>
>>>> dialogue boxes that open up, but JAWS finds nothing you have 
>>>> listed. And like I said, when pulling up the links list after 
>>>> finding the book, there's no links you say should be there.
>>>>
>>>> If any JAWS user has better luck, please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
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