[stylist] lines on a page

Mon Apr 14 16:23:29 UTC 2014

Hi Atty and Ashley,
Sorry about that. Part of my mind was on Atty's Drupal issue on the other list. 

Zeno

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Atty Rose
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 11:22 AM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page

I think it was Ashley that asked. But thanks!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Homme, James" <james.homme at highmark.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page

> Hi Atty,
> I'm sure that the Chicago Manual of Style is online. My friend Google 
> found it for me when I typed something like style guide.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley 
> Bramlett
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:07 AM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Hi,
> this talk of style guides brings up a question I have.
>
> I'd like to know more about traditional style guides. It will help at work
> when I get a job or go to grad school and Iif I was in grad school I'd 
> study
> something human services, communication, or writing.
>
> So, how do you access these guides? Do they come in digital format?
> I always forget a few things and perhaps someone will tell me.
> For APA, what are the rules for these things:
> 1. Numbers; written words or numerals?
> 2. Do you abbrreviate state names?
> 3. If you are doing an in text citation with article with multiple 
> authors,
> which authors do you put down? I know after a certain amount you write et
> al.
> 4. What about percents? do you write them out or write the sign %.
> 5. Can you use a comma in a series before the word and? I think chicago
> style requires it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 5:16 PM
> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Sites like SmashWords may have a specific style guide they want you to
> follow, but in the realm of traditional style guides (MLA, APA, Chicago
> Manual, etc.) they will not necessarily have a specific word length, but
> they will detail how to format and structure and cite within that guide
> for whatever length of whatever type of writing you are doing.
> SmashWords and other self-publishing forums are an entirely different
> situation. Like a literary publication, I'm sure they have a specific
> format in which they want you to submit, so of course, you would want to
> follow their guidelines. But when you say writing style guide, it makes
> me assume you mean one of the many I listed previously, and other
> writing guides. It's not exactly the same thing. What SmashWords wants
> is different, I assume, than what MLA or APA will state, of course
> unless they state they want you to follow a guide like that.
>
> I currently have no interest in self-publishing, though I wouldn't rule
> it out. And if I did opt for this choice, I would study and follow what
> the publisher wants exactly.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Applebutter Hill
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 5:52 PM
> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
>
> Bridgit,
> If you want to publish through Smashwords, you'd better read their style
> guide and ignore everything else. They take a .doc and spin it around in
> their digital "Meatgrinder" till 7 e-book formats come out. They insist
> upon people following their style guide, because it's the only way they
> can make all of those formats acceptible to all of the many e-book
> sellers. Nook has their little quirks which are different from Baker and
> Taylor, which are different from all the others for the most part. Of
> course, you can submit something and it might fly for the Smashwords
> site itself, but that doesn't get you any advanced distribution. The
> whole point of Smashwords is to get your book out there on as many
> different platforms as possible without actually having to create an
> account and upload everything yourself. So, again I say, download and
> read the Smashwords Style Guide. Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit
> Pollpeter
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:52 PM
> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> It depends on what style guide you use; there are several. But the
> length of a book isn't really a style guide thing; it's more a general
> writing thing.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Applebutter Hill
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 12:34 PM
> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
>
> Jim,
> I would read the Style guide. I know that someone out there has a
> minimum word count, but I don't remember who. Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme,
> James
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 8:22 AM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Hi,
> I think I may try to make a short book to see if this works, rather than
> put someone else through this. I'm a little concerned, though, because
> I've never written anything longer than articles. I have  a lot of
> material, though, because  I compiled some files about the subject on
> which I want to do the book. Do you think it would be OK to do a book
> that is 50 pages or less?
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Applebutter Hill
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 4:13 PM
> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Jim,
> Have you read the Smashwords style guide? It's been a year for me, and I
> don't have a new book to publish yet, but I'd want to make double sure
> that the Style Guide doesn't preclude using this format. Sorry I don't
> have time to go through it again at this time. Donna Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme,
> James
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 2:22 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Hi People,
> Would someone who understands SmashWords like to try something with me?
> Let me explain.
>
> I'm very excited that I may have stumbled upon something that will help
> us both create accessible HTML and Word documents, plus get them ready
> for SmashWords. And it's a thing that is 100 percent accessible. The
> process is a little drawn out, but I think that in the long term, very
> nice. Let me explain.
>
> Briefly, there is a mark-up system called Txt2tags. It's a way to write
> plain text documents and then have a little program turn them into HTML
> or XHTML, among other formats, and then import them into Word,
> hopefully, with all the styles created by Word automatically without you
> having to do anything, and then you save in the format you need.
>
> Oh, of course, you also  would want to spell check and all that stuff,
> but I should hopefully assume that you writer people would do that.
>
> Now, to take my foot back out of my mouth. Hmmm.
>
> OK. I can't explain it all in this e-mail. The basic idea is to mark up
> your plain text document and then feed it to the script. Then, look at
> it in your web browser, and correct in your text editor until you get a
> very nice document by altering the text, running the script, and
> checking in your browser.
>
> Here is what some of the mark-up looks like. Note that spaces matter, so
> for headings, you have to leave a single space between the right most
> mark and the line end character. Here goes.
>
> = Title of Document =
> == Subsection Under Document Title ==
> === Third Level Down ===
> This can go down to heading level five without changing the script. I'm
> pretty sure I can give you what you need if you want to cover all the
> heading levels in HTML and get down to level 6.
>
> OK. Here is more.
>
> - This is the first item in a bulleted list
> - This is the second item, and the below line closes the list.
> -
>
> + Here is the first item in a numbered list.
> + This is the second.
> + This is the third, and the next item closes the list.
> +
>
> This link automatically gets turned into a web link that you can click.
> http://www.nfb.org/.
>
> When you use a blank line, you automatically get a paragraph break.
>
> **Here is some bold text**.
>
> //Here is some italic text//.
>
> And, if you need to do so, you can do tables, but I'm not going to do
> them here.
>
> --So strike that idea--.
>
> You can also do numbered headings, like 1., 1.1, 2.1, and all.
>
> They also let you do definition lists and terms.
>
> For nested lists, they want you to indent with tabs, but I am working on
> a totally accessible replacement, because screen readers are bad at
> reading tab characters on the fly. It shouldn't be too hard.
>
> If you would have to do some sort of scholarly paper, I'm unsure if this
> thing can be made to do footnotes and end notes, but I know that I can
> create a way to do the HTML citation tag.
>
> So who wants to experiment?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Applebutter Hill
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:39 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Jim,
> You make an excellent point about tabbing being the wrong thing to do.
> If people want to self-publish through Smashwords, for instance, you
> won't get approved for their free advanced distribution option if you
> have tabs or hidden bookmarks in your book. It's best to get over using
> that and into the habit of using Styles.  I never used tabs, just set up
> each document with the paragraph and font dialogs. I wish I had started
> learning Styles before I was already in the publishing process. *grin*
> Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme,
> James
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 7:54 AM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Hi Atty,
> If you want to change the Normal style so that it indents the first line
> of every paragraph, which is the correct way to do things, that is
> possible. You can also make your own style that has indent for the first
> line. I just checked my Normal style, though, and it already indents the
> first line by 48 pixels. I don't know that the translation is in inches.
> Tell me what Word version you have, and I'll get you instructions. The
> wrong thing to do is to press TAB to indent.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Atty Rose
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 11:54 AM
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> Subject: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Hi folks,
>
> How do I check how many lines in a page and how far down the page I am
> with word 2007?
>
> How do I get word 2007 to indent the first line on my paragraphs?
>
> How can I check how many lines between paragraphs?
>
> Thanks!
> Atty
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