[stylist] dividing blind people into groups

Tue Apr 15 21:30:15 UTC 2014

Linda,
I don't recall that line either from dr. sues. if you know its title, please 
share.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Lynda Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 1:25 PM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups

I do not recall the title of the book but I will remember it - eventually.
It is the condition of a culture, told in terms and images that a child will
clearly relate to - perhaps someone her can come up with the title of the
book.L.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups

> Don't know that one, Lynda.
> What's it about?
> I always liked Dr. Seuss's way of making up words. I do that, too.
> Thea
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Lynda Lambert
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 1:10 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>
> It is incredibly sad to me - that children would be facing such separation
> between the different people who are there.  Sight loss, at any level, is
> difficult at best and everyone has challenges no matter the level of it.
> But, then, I remember the book by Dr. Seuss, about the Sneeches who had
> stars on thars....and he sure hit it on the head, didn't he!
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>
>
>> I've actually seen this at camps for the blind as a kid.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda 
>> Lambert
>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:44 AM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>
>> No, I was speaking from my imagination! It's vivid, btw.  I was just
>> dreaming up an image of the sort of bin I would make for myself. Maybe 
>> your
>> bid could be at the Warhol, too? I think it would be great fun.
>> Lynda
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>
>>
>>> Oh, cool, are you actually making something?
>>> I thought you were speaking metaphorically.
>>> I'm still going to crawl into that sleek fur bin, slam the lid down,
>>> and roll in fur.
>>>
>>> So, are you creating something from different colored yarns?
>>> Thea
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lynda Lambert
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:03 AM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>
>>> haha, Thea! That is funny.  OH, MINE will be on display in an art
>>> museum in
>>> New York City!   OR, maybe the Warhol Museum in Pittsburgh, PA. Yeah, I
>>> think Andy would LOVE what I do with that - it would be perfect for in
>>> the museum that celebrates POP art.  Lynda
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:16 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>
>>>
>>>>I like it. Only I will make mine out of fur. All textures, no colors.
>>>> Sleek, slinky-smooth fur.
>>>> This is the land of Touch and See Not. The land of complete and total
>>>>blindness--sensuous blindness.
>>>> Thea
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Lynda Lambert
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:09 AM
>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>>
>>>> I do not want to be in a plastic bin! Hmmmm, what are my options?
>>>> Make my bin out of soft fiber, in fact, I can knit my own bin. I'll
>>>> do it in luscious yarns of orange, yellow, and pinks.  Yes, I'll felt
>>>> it to give it stability and I'll make a nice lid for it. Oh,
>>>> certainly, I'll do encrusted beadworking all over it. It has to be a
>>>> bin that is glitzy and sparkly, soft and warm, and smart looking.
>>>> Nice to the touch! Yes, a succulent bin will be just perfect! One
>>>> with no labels on it at all.
>>>>
>>>> Lynda
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Applebutter Hill" <applebutterhill at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 9:25 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Are they plastic bins? Do they come with lids? Can I pick my
>>>>> favorite color?
>>>>> *grin*
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Atty
>>>>> Rose
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 3:29 PM
>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>>>
>>>>> Put us into bins, I loved that visual!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jacobson, Shawn D" <Shawn.D.Jacobson at hud.gov>
>>>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 2:13 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What I remember from the braille school was that there was a
>>>>>> pecking order
>>>>>
>>>>>> by how much you could see.  The high partials were generally on top
>>>>>> with the totally blind on the bottom.  When we had mobility
>>>>>> training there were
>>>>>
>>>>>> the totally blind (Rams) and the partially sighted (Ramblers) and
>>>>>> they were in different classes for our mobility milers contest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then there were the religious differences (mostly Catholic or
>>>>>> Protestant or Jewish).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Point being, sighted folk will put us into bins according to their
>>>>>> own tastes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Atty
>>>>>> Rose
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 2:46 PM
>>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really don't think I can add anything to Donna's remarks, she
>>>>>> said it so
>>>>>
>>>>>> well. I just want to say that there is power in numbers. I am one
>>>>>> of those
>>>>>
>>>>>> who write letters and call my senators and congress-people.
>>>>>> Sometimes when we feel isolated we can feel like we're the only
>>>>>> ones, but there is a
>>>>>
>>>>>> whole vast group of visually impaired people. And even though we
>>>>>> don't always
>>>>>> agree   with one another, we don't have to to stand by one another.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps we have issues with the NFB, but here we are on their list
>>>>>> talking
>>>>>
>>>>>> to people who care about what we say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if they sent out a notice to call our reps, I'd be dialing away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Change takes time and Scheril is right about fighting for it.
>>>>>> Sometimes we
>>>>>
>>>>>> have to take a rest from the battle. I'm resting right now on the
>>>>>> NFB rights thing. I am fortunate to belong to a blind group that
>>>>>> doesn't care what you see, what your philosaphies are or your life
>>>>>> preferences and so I
>>>>>
>>>>>> feel content doing all I can for them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The time will come for us to gather a group and approach the upper
>>>>>> eshilons of the NFB and speak up again. Maybe we're down but never 
>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Life is one long adventure!
>>>>>> Atty
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:14 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very eloquently said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Applebutter Hill
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:31 AM
>>>>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thea,
>>>>>>> I understand your perspective, but I disagree with dividing us up
>>>>>>> into sub-groups. All of the examples you gave are still viewed as
>>>>>>> blind by the general public. Even more importantly, we are already
>>>>>>> the smallest minority; we are what is referred to as a 
>>>>>>> "low-incidence
>> disability.
>>>>>>> Because of this and the geographic separation, we are already in a
>>>>>>> position of not posing much of a threat to the public. We aren't
>>>>>>> out there protesting regularly, sitting in or even (though I don't
>>>>>>> recommend this ) throwing rocks. When the calls come for us to
>>>>>>> write letters to our elected officials, sign petitions and the
>>>>>>> like, a very small percentage of us actually take action (even if
>>>>>>> you limit it to the NFB membership). I know for certain that the
>>>>>>> subset that is willing to take the time out of their busy days to
>>>>>>> sign a petition, put notices on social media, call Congress, etc.
>>>>>>> is a diversified group that includes every category you mention.
>>>>>>> Dividing ourselves is suicide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, we are essentially expendable, easily overlooked and our
>>>>>>> issues are at the bottom of the pecking order when it comes to 
>>>>>>> social
>> change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The goal is to live in a world where blindness is no more of a
>>>>>>> barrier than blonde hair. But, I don't think there are many blind
>>>>>>> activists who believe that a person can transition from fully
>>>>>>> sighted to blind without a significant input of work, dedication
>>>>>>> and perseverance. There is also the shock value of those kind of
>>>>>>> proclamations, which is how everyone else does it. And, the fact
>>>>>>> that we are discriminated against and that the world isn't opening
>>>>>>> its arms to welcome us doesn't diminish the truth that, given the
>>>>>>> proper training and a can-do attitude, blind people can and do
>>>>>>> flourish despite the barriers imposed by a foolish public. Donna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Miss Thea
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:48 AM
>>>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How the blue blazes can a non-disabled person test for anything
>>>>>>> regarding the blind, or any other disability? What are people
>>>>>>> smoking these days? Would you, as a blind person, offer to test
>>>>>>> for a deaf-user product? Of course you wouldn't. Some people blame
>>>>>>> certain things on the militant blind, saying they're the ones who
>>>>>>> made it difficult for the rest of us. If blindness is no more than
>>>>>>> a nuisance, or a characteristic like blond hair, well then, it
>>>>>>> follows. People with blond hair don't use different technology, so
>>>>>>> if blindness is truly a mere characteristic like blond hair, as
>>>>>>> I've heard at the only NFB convention I ever went to, then why
>>>>>>> should it change? We don't need anything. We're rough, tough,
>>>>>>> independent blind people. Right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've always considered blindness a major disability. The day it
>>>>>>> becomes a mere nuisance or a characteristic like blond hair will
>>>>>>> be the day when I can get any job, use any computer, drive a car,
>>>>>>> read any type of print including hand writing, and so forth. Till
>>>>>>> that day, and especially with websites going backwards instead of
>>>>>>> forwards, I'm afraid I disagree with our more militant friends.
>>>>>>> I'm not a rough, tough, young independent blind person. I'm on the
>>>>>>> sunny side of 50, have illnesses and conditions not related to
>>>>>>> blindness, and frankly, I'm having trouble keeping up with all the
>>>>>>> changes. I'm doing my best, but the last Windows I liked was
>>>>>>> Windows XP. Not only do I remember text-based DOS and the text
>>>>>>> adventure games I so much enjoyed, (as an adult in her late
>>>>>>> twenties), I remember when there were no such things as computers.
>>>>>>> I remember when the most exciting thing I experienced was the
>>>>>>> Optacon and the talking calculator. I remember the Braille I read
>>>>>>> in the 70's, and have no idea why they need to unify the whole
>>>>>>> darn Braille code.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gays and lesbians for instance, gained the right to marry and put
>>>>>>> their spouse under their health insurance at work, and be the next
>>>>>>> of kin when an emergency happened, and now have many rights they
>>>>>>> didn't when I was growing up, because they fought for the same
>>>>>>> things, and they fought in force. One of the complaints I've heard
>>>>>>> is that the blind community is too busy fighting among themselves
>>>>>>> and spending their energies whining, etc. The problem with
>>>>>>> blindness is that it's a continuum, not just one condition. Let's
>>>>>>> say Al's totally blind, never so much as seen light, while Tyler
>>>>>>> sees light and shadows and therefore probably has better mobility.
>>>>>>> Tessa can see enough to read large print, while Bill can do
>>>>>>> everything but drive. That's all lumped under the general category
>>>>>>> of blindness. Oh, then there's blind-plus. I.E. Lucy's deaf-blind,
>>>>>>> Samantha's partially blind and partially deaf, and Tiny Tim there,
>>>>>>> not only uses a wheelchair but is stone cold blind. How does one
>>>>>>> community address all these needs? Why should the guy who can do
>>>>>>> everything but drive care about the guy who's never so much as
>>>>>>> seen light? These men perceive the world totally differently, and
>> their needs are different.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> think lumping everyone into the "blindness" community may be
>>>>>>> filling a small boat with more people than it can handle. I
>>>>>>> propose the idea that there is a blind community, a partially
>>>>>>> sighted community, and a blind-plus community. The blind community
>>>>>>> would comprise totals and those who have so little vision, it's
>>>>>>> not useful to them. Anyway, if we could sort ourselves out, decide
>>>>>>> what we need, and go after it in force, we could end up getting
>>>>>>> what we want, couldn't we? Sure, there are more LGBT people than
>>>>>>> there are blind people, but I'm sure the LGBT community had to
>>>>>>> work out differences, too. Bisexuals had different needs than
>>>>>>> transgenders, etc. Anyway, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
>>>>>>> Thea
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:15 AM
>>>>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Donna,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never thought of this but you're absolutely correct. Buildings
>>>>>>> legally must have so many accessible entrances and bathrooms, but
>>>>>>> when it comes to blind accessibility, it's often lacking. Why are
>>>>>>> legal standards expected for one disability but not another?
>>>>>>> Websites and technology should have to adhere to certain
>>>>>>> standards, and yes, actual blind users should be the testers. I
>>>>>>> get so tired of non-disabled people doing the work, not thinking
>>>>>>> they need people with a given disability to test, comment and
>>>>>>> assist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Applebutter Hill
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:19 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>> I know what you mean. Getting the most out of our screen readers
>>>>>>> is a lot of hard work, because every site is different. It can be
>>>>>>> exceptionally frustrating to spend hours trying to get something
>>>>>>> done that we know a sighted person can do in ten minutes.
>>>>>>> Nevertheless, it is what it is, and it's possible to get a lot
>>>>>>> further than many screen reader users get. I get aggravated when
>>>>>>> blind people ask me to provide them with a web address, when they
>>>>>>> can Google it in the same amount of time as I can. It feels
>>>>>>> sometimes like they don't realize that I had to go through the
>>>>>>> same grueling and aggravating process they are trying to avoid to
>>>>>>> get the knowledge I have and that I have to continue struggling
>>>>>>> every day despite the stress of it, because it's the only way I
>>>>>>> can get anywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand, people who want to build a hospital want their
>>>>>>> building to be accessible to everyone too, and they don't know how
>>>>>>> to do it either. The difference is that the architects of brick
>>>>>>> and mortor facilities have to meet standards which are scrutinized
>>>>>>> by licensing officials prior to one brick being laid. Website
>>>>>>> designers, whose jobs involve putting 1s and0s in the right
>>>>>>> places, are on their own. They either don't consider accessibility
>>>>>>> or they hire someone to test the accessibility who is not a user
>>>>>>> of the adaptive software on a regular basis. It's difficult to
>>>>>>> force yourself to not notice things if you can see them, and
>>>>>>> difficult to be conscious of when your sight has influenced
>>>>>>> something you do with the screen reader. IMO, websites should be
>>>>>>> tested for accessibility by blind people and some of them should
>>>>>>> have average screen reader skills.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, there are other accessibility issues in addition to screen
>>>>>>> readers. Sites need to work for people using magnification and
>>>>>>> voice recognition as well. Donna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Homme, James
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:16 AM
>>>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I do accessibility work a lot. In my experience, most people want
>>>>>>> to make their stuff accessible. They just don't know what
>>>>>>> accessibility is, or how it affects people with disabilities. Most
>>>>>>> people assume, naturally enough, that whoever wants to can simply
>>>>>>> just use their stuff.
>>>>>>> And one of my pet peeves is when someone who should know how to
>>>>>>> use their screen reader better complains that something is
>>>>>>> inaccessible, because they don't want to take the time to use the
>>>>>>> help available to them. We make ourselves look bad when this 
>>>>>>> happens.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry. I'm a little cranky today. I need to do my journaling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Miss Thea
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:43 PM
>>>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Think I'll document my experiences with Triond on my new blog,
>>>>>>> then spread it on Social Media like butter on bread. Hahahaha.
>>>>>>> Thea
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Atty Rose
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:33 AM
>>>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Thea,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Welcome. I get so frustrated when this happens. If writing letters
>>>>>>> isn't working and there is no phone, all you can do really put a
>>>>>>> claim against them, or have all your blind friends write them too.
>>>>>>> I always write a letter if I run into issues. Even if nothing
>>>>>>> happens I stand up for our comunity. Sometimes it works great!
>>>>>>> Sometimes I get nothing back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All you can do is your best!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well met,
>>>>>>> Atty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 3:45 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi, Donna.
>>>>>>>> There is a place where you can upload photos, but it is still
>>>>>>>> inaccessible, as you have to drag and drop images.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All I want is my name in print--a hardcover or paperback with my
>>>>>>>> John Hancock and a great story inside, that people can get lost
>>>>>>>> in. I don't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mind doing the work; I don't mind doing hard work. But I DO mind
>>>>>>>> wasting my time, and there's not even a way for me to express my
>>>>>>>> displeasure by cancelling my account. I guess I could just let it
>>>>>>>> go, and concentrate on the things I can do, which is why I'm
>>>>>>>> here. Nice to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> meet you, too. Thea
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Applebutter Hill
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 8:11 PM
>>>>>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Thea,
>>>>>>>> Welcome to Stylist. I wrote for a bunch of online magazines for
>>>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but not this one. I'm thinking of a couple of things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First, what would a person do if they had their own photos? Is
>>>>>>>> there an uploader? It seems bogus that they would force people to
>>>>>>>> pick and choose from stock photos and not have an option to
>>>>>>>> upload photos of their
>>>>>>> own.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm saying this, because, if there is an uploader that you can
>>>>>>>> use, there are sites where you can get free, high quality photos
>>>>>>>> that you could download and then upload to this site. The
>>>>>>>> captions are usually clear enough to get the idea what the photo
>>>>>>>> is, and as long as you credit the photographer or the group, you 
>>>>>>>> can
>> use them without fear.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as your efforts to bring this to the attention of the site
>>>>>>>> go, it is something we need to do, but it rarely results in
>>>>>>>> positive changes. I used to write for Suite 101, which had
>>>>>>>> revenue sharing and required a photo with each article. It was
>>>>>>>> accessible until they re designed their site. I wrote to them
>>>>>>>> many times, and I was assured that accessibility was a priority
>>>>>>>> for them. They even asked me to do beta testing on the new site,
>> which I did. Nothing ever changed.
>>>>>>>> Ultimately they dropped their journalistic standards, such as
>>>>>>>> they were, and at that point, I really wasn't interested in
>>>>>>>> writing for them anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Suite 101 is a Canadian company, so they don't fall under our laws.
>>>>>>>> But, the laws we have in the US are not being enforced even on
>>>>>>>> government websites. The irony to me was that when Suite 101
>>>>>>>> started becoming less accessible, I was in the midst of writing a
>>>>>>>> series of articles on web accessibility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, it's nice to meet you, and I look forward to getting to
>>>>>>>> know you. Donna
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Miss Thea
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 5:36 PM
>>>>>>>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi, everyone.
>>>>>>>> I'm Thea, I just joined the list, and I write all kinds of stuff:
>>>>>>>> fiction, nonfiction, and fan fiction. I guess that about covers
>>>>>>>> it, eh? I used to publish articles and short stories on
>>>>>>>> www.triond.com but
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> they require an image with each submission. I had sighted help
>>>>>>>> for a while, but once the sighted help disappeared, I found I
>>>>>>>> could not use this site because of its image requirement. It's
>>>>>>>> not a Captcha I have to fill in. This site requires, along with
>>>>>>>> the article, your selection
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of a category, which you can choose from a combo
>>>>>>>> box: health, news, politics, women ... Then after the body of
>>>>>>>> your article, you add tags. Let's say you've chosen "women". Your
>>>>>>>> tags could be birth control, birth control devices, IUD, etc.
>>>>>>>> Then there's a question mark where a chosen image should go. You
>>>>>>>> hit the "get image
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> suggestions" button, and images are supposed to present themselves.
>>>>>>>> At this time, you have to be able to see the image and drag it to
>>>>>>>> the question mark.
>>>>>>>> Last but not least, you have to check the box that says you are
>>>>>>>> the original creator of this work, and click submit.
>>>>>>>> Piece o' cake ... if you can see.
>>>>>>>> Has anyone ever tried or found some way around this difficulty?
>>>>>>>> The site is www.triond.com
>>>>>>>> My emails to them about this barrier have netted me no response.
>>>>>>>> The site is free, and supposedly, you can create a following, if
>>>>>>>> you're prolific enough, and you can earn money, be it ever so 
>>>>>>>> small.
>>>>>>>> I don't mind that. I DO mind this inaccessibility, and the
>>>>>>>> company's apparent lack of interest.
>>>>>>>> Anyone ever tried this www.triond.com While I had sighted help, I
>>>>>>>> published articles and stories, so I have a small portfolio if
>>>>>>>> you like.
>>>>>>>> Now the sighted help is gone, and I'm stuck.
>>>>>>>> Any help appreciated,
>>>>>>>> Thea
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