[stylist] Low expectations of the blind; RE: New Book, blindness on TV

Sun Feb 16 21:51:26 UTC 2014

On the other hand, the former president of the NFB's Performing Arts
Division, Dennis Sumlin once told me he identified more with other blind
people than as an African-American. Deaf people consider themselves as
having a culture and I think it has to do with something other than sign
language, though that would qualify in your definition.

There are those who consider Braille a language, which it clearly is not,
but if it is in the mind of the public, then wouldn't they consider those
who use it as having a somewhat separate culture?
And, if they consider us as separate, aren't we?

Culture is IMO a difficult to define thing; there are so many subsets of
this or that aspect of everybody's lives.
Donna
Donna
Donna

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I don't think we can refer to blindness as a culture. A culture has a
language, customs, often a religion, etc. very distinct things specific to a
particular group. Blindness doesn't have any of this. As blind people, we
participate in various cultures. Being blind and using different methods and
tools doesn't equate to a culture. We grow up and live in and choose to join
a culture, and some of us happen to be disabled. A blind person who is
Native American or Hungarian or middle eastern doesn't share the same
culture as I do because we are blind. We are all part of unique and diverse
cultures, blindness not being part of it. Blindness may color our world view
based on the psychological and societal ramifications of bliefs held within
a certain culture, but blindness itself has nothing to do with culture.

Bridgit

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Lynda,
Well stated. Just because you can read the words in a book doesn't mean you
can appreciate the references and meanings. You end up enjoying it and
interpreting it from the point of view you have developed from your
experience in your own culture. It's kind of like an extension of the idea
of  running into a word or historical or literary reference that's
unfamiliar to you. You can read on and even get a lot out of the book, but
you will have missed something. It's also like going back to a book you
enjoyed as a kid and finding things in it that you didn't notice the first
time. Your experiences and the breadth of your knowledge give you tools that
enable you to come closer to understanding what the writer has put into the
work.

As for blind  writers, we all start out as part of our cultures  -- white,
Latino, African-American, Asian, native American, mixed race; middle-class,
rich or poor; Christian, Jewish, Moslem, Hindi, atheist; Southern Western
and so on.

How integrated into society our families are as a whole makes a huge
difference as well; new immigrants and refugees vs. the DAR, for instance.
Most blind people grow up sighted and learned something about blindness from
the beliefs and practices of our native culture. but blindness subjects all
of us to a certain level of marginalization, regardless of our success. We
grow to see our specific culture through our experiences as blind people.
Our response to this marginalization, however, differs widely. In part this
is due to the culture we live within, and in part it depends on our
individual emotional make-up. It also depends on whether or not we have
accepted the place in our culture given to "the blind." There are also blind
people who grew up in homes and communities that are more enlightened than
most and don't experience the same level of marginalization as most of us.
Hopefully, our NFB children fall into this group. This is not to say that
they don't experience discrimination and ignorance, but they deal with it
from a more secure, less gut-wrenching place than most.

One of the most significant differences between other marginalized
minorities and the blindness community is that we are a scattered minority.
Most blind people are the only blind people in their families.
This separation is not generally the case with other minorities. In the
oppression of women and blacks, for instance, it would be highly unusual to
find a woman who didn't have day to day contact with other women; same for
blacks, religious minorities and economic status.

Gays come closer to this situation than any other group, but the reality of
their sexual preference drives them to find each other in a way that
blindness does not. Also, their ability to "pass" allows them access to
social, educational and employment opportunities we don't have.

The fact that blindness as a culture is not as cohesive as being part of
other minorities may make looking for a predominant blindness perspective in
the work of blind writers more difficult . In the NFB, we have developed our
own culture and identity and there are shared perspectives upon which each
of us base our individual beliefs. As strong as we are and as much as we
have accomplished, however, we represent a small portion of the blindness
community as a whole. I wonder if it isn't that way with other civil rights
movements. There is a radicalized minority within the minority which leads
the way. Blind writers don't all share this perspective.

Anyway, I will be interested in hearing what you think after a
re-examination of the work of blind writers. Donna

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Lambert
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 8:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Low expectations of the blind;RE: New Book, blindness
on TV

It would be done the same way we interpret the writings or art of different
cultural groups. If you do not study the culture of the artist/writer then
you do not really have a grasp of meanings, influences, and psychology in
the work they produce.

For instance, when I taught African American Literature, the students had to
study the various African influences in the work - the "why" the writer has
chosen different themes, and trace those themes back in their history.

I taught Puerto Rican art/literature, and Native American art/writing - and
to understand these more fully, my students were required not only to spend
the semester in the classroom studies, but to actually go on trips to those
locations to explore the landscape, the culture, the psychology of the
culture, the music, dance, customs, etc.  Without looking deeply into the
culture we cannot even begin to look through a different lens when reading
or observing the art of that person.

My African American friend was my very close colleague. Once we were at a
conference together and we went into a laughing fit one night in our hotel
room when we began to realize that SHE had a more Greek Worldview , and my
worldview was more African!

We are far more than a blind person - that is just who we are externally at
this moment. But, we are all the generations of our ancestors, we have deep
roots in the past and if we do not explore those things then we remain
ignorant of who we really are and how we got to where we are today.

When I walk in the woods, on the ridge behind my home, and hear the waters
of the creek below me - I hear my great grandmother walking beside me. She
is Native American and I am very aware of her presence in my life today.
When I first visited Austria and Germany, I looked around at the people who
live there, and I saw ME.  My sister and I looked at each other and she
said, "All of these people here look just like us. I see us in all of their
faces."

So I think that is why I embraced my own sight loss so quickly because I
realize I am far more than what I appear to be at a momentary glance. As are
we all. We carry our ancestors inside of us and they guide us in our life
journey in all that we do.

Lynda

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Subject: Re: [stylist] Low expectations of the blind;RE: New Book, blindness
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> How would ou have looked at an author who is blind differently or an
> artist who is blind differently?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
> Lambert
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 7:59 AM
> To: newmanrl at cox.net; Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Low expectations of the blind; RE: New Book,
> blindness on TV
>
> This conversation is making me begin to think about some authors I
> taught in the past in Humanities and English courses.  Now that I am
> "aware" of blindness, which I was NOT at all in the past, I am
> wondering how I would interpret the literature of a blind author. I
> taught Bourges and I never
> knew he was blind!   I am thinking that now, if I go back to read his
> work,
> I will interpret many things in a different way.  I taught the "Book
> of Sand" every semester!  Hmmmm.  Now it makes even more sense as an
> exampe lof of Postmodernism which was the focus it had for me at the
> time.  WOW, this is beginning to be a revelation to me.  I know that
> many of the artists I taught were blind or visually impaired, but
> their work was not generally explored through that lens. I am going to

> begin looking much deeper into this for my own research
> - if anyone has any more information on artists and writers who
> are/were blind I would love to hear from you as I begin my own little
> research project on this matter.
>
> I am re-learning how to do Power Point presentations now. Normally,
> this is how I lectured but until now, I could not have done it again.
> I know now, that I can do it, it's just going to take awhile for me to

> teach myself again.  I am scheduled to do two presentation at Slippery

> Rock University of PA in March - I'll use my milestone to give me
> verbal "cues" as I am speaking, for these presentations. But, I want
> to begin to develop some presentations using power point and I am sure

> I can do it again - I just need to have the time and put in the work
> to accomplish it.  I have always loved doing lectures and
> presentations and I want to do them again - so I am gonna work on it!
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 11:22 PM
> Subject: [stylist] Low expectations of the blind;RE: New Book,
> blindness on TV
>
>
>> Hi you all, this has been an interesting conversation:
>>
>> Here is another generalization that many around the world have
>> developed over the eons: Blindness is the most God awful, feared
>> physical condition that mankind can experience.
>>
>> I had read and heard this forever, from the mouths of people on the
>> street, to what I've learned in a variety of college classes..though,

>> over the past couple of decades blindness has been pushed down to
>> third place. Guess what has eclipsed being blind as the most feared?
>> Aids and cancer. And hey, I can believe that these two physical
>> conditions are far worse...after all, either one of these two monster

>> conditions can kill you!!! (Though, there are some who feel that
>> blindness is a living death. And yeah, if you allow it to rule! And
>> this is where the NFB has done the world a great service...as in we
>> have developed a philosophy, built a framework of alternative
>> techniques, and influenced the making of a wide variety of tools that

>> in combination...will allow most of us to reduce the effects of
>> blindness, down to  a level whereby most of us can say with an
>> honesty level of 100%, 100%, that the loss of sight is not a major
>> impediment to living a successful and happy life. No...the true
>> problem we face is more the ignorance and the lack of information
>> about the human potential to successfully live with blindness is the
>> toughest impediment to being blind. MMM, go figure? [Being blind
>> isn't the problem, living in a world of ignorance is.]
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Applebutter Hill
>> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 9:10 PM
>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] New Book, blindness on TV
>>
>> Lynda,
>> At 70, I should certainly hope you (or anyone) would have developed a

>> healthy level of skepticism. *grin*
>>
>> I know that black people face prejudice and low expectations, but I
>> think the fact that white people enslaved them to actually do
>> something, makes that low level quite a bit higher than for blind
>> people. We aren't deemed capable of planting a field, keeping up a
>> household or even caring for children -- as the incident in the
>> Midwest a few years ago shoed, when a child was removed shortly after
> birth from its blind parents.
>>
>> Our traditional purpose is to give the average person something they
>> can look at and say, "Well, I may have problems, but at least I'm not
> blind."
>> We
>> also have traditionally provided them with opportunities to do good
>> deeds. Expecting us to no longer be helpless fundamentally changes
>> how they see themselves.
>>
>> Your post reminds me of a story I heard from a blind woman who was
>> accepted to grad school. Her aunt was furious that she had stolen the

>> position from someone who could really benefit from it. The belief
>> was that anything that a blind person accomplished was just another
>> example of the kindness of strangers in elevating a pitiful person
>> and helping them feel better about themselves. BTW, she has a
>> doctorate in law. I heard many similar stories when I was writing
>> about Braille literacy -- they weren't on topic at the time, and I
>> had hoped to gather some of the things people told me into articles
>> about some of these more subtle things that are going on to this day,

>> but it never happened. Donna
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
>> Lambert
>> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 6:31 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] New Book, blindness on TV
>>
>> Donna, yes, the expectations for blind people are very low.  I
>> believe that is why blind people as a group are the highest educated
>> of all people with disabilities, yet, they are the lowest employed
>> people of all the groups. This says it all - we are not expected to
>> be smart, able, or willing to succeed at anything more than very low
>> levels. This is my own thoughts on it and I recognize I am quite
>> skeptical about it
>> - but heck, I am 70 years old now, so I guess I can blame it on my
age.
>> I think we have to work so far beyond what other people have to do to
>> find success at so many things. And, this is also true of black
>> people.  I do not know this from a distance, or from reading books on
>> the subject which of course I do all the time. I know it personally,
>> because my son is black and his family is black - they are very
highly
>> educated professionals - she a physician, he a psychologist.  At
every
>> level, black people still face very low expectations and racism - and
>> I think blind people are very close to the same in the general view
of
>> the ST"STUPID public. I agree with you. They are ver STUPID, but we
>> won't tell them that, just yet. lol
>>
>> Lynda
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Applebutter Hill" <applebutterhill at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 3:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] New Book, blindness on TV
>>
>>
>>> Lynda,
>>> Like you've noticed with your sister and the key, sighted people
>>> will not accept anything we do as anything other than a fluke or a
>>> miracle. Even faced with a clear description of the usefulness of
>>> other senses, they somehow still have to brush anything aside that
>>> conflicts with what they kno ... Blindness is essentially
>>> insurmountable. I think of it as being similar to the days when a
>>> few nutheads were trying to explain to the human race that the world

>>> is not
> flat.
>>>
>>> Coincidentally, I just got an e-mail from a rehab counsellor in PA,
>>> who I reached out to on Linked In -- I offer them a free e-book
>>> version of my novel and explain why I think it has value for them
>>> and their clients. I mention the issue of dealing with low
>>> expectations. This man said that, as
>>
>>> a
>>> person who used to work with BVI and now works with other
>>> disabilities, he believes that the issue of low expectations is much

>>> worse for those with vision loss. I have always felt that way, but I

>>> don't have the credentials to say so. It meant a lot to me to hear
>>> that
>> from someone.
>>>
>>> You hit on the reason behind my removing all references to blindness

>>> from my online book descriptions; it's a taboo. Just imagine someone

>>> getting my book and not knowing that the heroine is blind and has a
>>> guide dog. They will have to read through at least a page before it
>>> becomes clear to them. Some will be angry with me, because I didn't
>>> warn them. Some, I hope, will have gotten hooked by something else
>>> in the story and read it anyway. It's fiction, so they don't have to

>>> change their stupid belief systems, but I hope they will have a bit
>>> of an adjustment  in spite of themselves. Donna -----Original
>>> Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
>>> Lambert
>>> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 9:18 AM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] New Book, blindness on TV
>>>
>>> It's a Friday morning snow storm here - a beautiful day outside.
>>> Time to get some coffee and begin my day, but first I wanted to drop

>>> a not on your discussion which is so interesting to me.
>>>
>>> I think Bridgit really hit it - unless a sighted person has had a
>>> lot of time together with a blind person, they are really clueless
>>> and they could care less about knowing positive things.  They still
>>> live with the mentality of the question they have asked themselves
>>> and each other for years, "Would you rather lose your sight, or your
> hearing?".
>>> To sighted people losing sight or hearing is the worst case scenario

>>> they can think of and they are not about to look any closer into
>>> either of the two life-challenges.  And, as Henrietta, experienced,
>>> even close family members really don't understand how we do things.
>>> Not really.  They watch us, but we are a mystery to them even though

>>> they have been around us many times over the years. Occasionally
>>> there is some little revelation that they grasp, but I think it is
>>> very rare.
>>>
>>> A couple years ago I went on a short 5 hour trip with my sister.
>>> When we arrived at our cousin's home, we had instructions to locate
>>> her house key and let ourselves in because they were away on
>>> vacation and we would have their home to stay in.  My sister
>>> retrieved the key, as instructed.  She began to try to open the
>>> door.  She fiddled around for quite awhile with the key and the lock

>>> in the door - yet, she could not get it open. She tried turning the
>>> key around, tried going faster, slower, but no luck.  Finally,
>>
>>> I
>>> quietly said to her, "Give me the key and let me see what I can do."

>>> She snickered and said "Oh, sure, you are going to open the door
>>> that you can't even see!"  I took the key from her, felt the key,
>>> and inserted it into the door's lock slowly. Then, I put my left had

>>> on the door, just above the lock, so I could FEEL any movement the
>>> lock would make.  And, I leaned very close to the lock, and I
>>> listened. Very quickly, as I slowly turned the key, I felt the
>>> vibration of it moving, and I heard the click as it was disengaged.

>>> I smiled, and handed over the key to her, and said, "The door is
>>> open."  She loudly proclaimed, "I cannot believe it! A blind person
>>> could open the door and I couldn't."
>>>
>>> I smiled at her and said, "You could not open the door because you
>>> were using only your eyes. I opened it because I could feel it and
>>> hear it moving."  To her it was something very weird that I had
>>> actually opened up the door that she had struggled with and could
>>> not get the job done.  I think in her mind it was a lucky accident
>>> even though I explained why it happened.  Most sighted people do not

>>> think we can do much of anything, no matter what we achieve -
>>> honestly, that is what I think. So, for most sighted people to read
>>> about a blind hero in a fictional account, I say, "Dream on!"  I
>>> think the interest level for a sighted person to even read a book
>>> through is really a stretch unless that person is really on a
>>> mission to learn more about blindness and diversity and inclusion.
>>> Maybe in a literature course, where it would be included in the
>>> required reading, but on their own, I think the chances are quite
>>> slim.  But, then, as I write this I am optimistic enough to think I
>>> see a "movie" that could be made that would be exciting to them. Who

>>> knows? I sure don't.  Why is it that we are constantly told we are
>>> "amazing" when we do things that are high level achievements for
>>> anyone at all?  Why is it that some people droll all over us about
>>> how inspiring we are and how tragic it is that we
>> lost our sight?
>>> I just smile at them and say, "NO, not really! It is just who I am
>>> and who
>>
>>> I
>>> have always been."  That usually leaves them speechless and the
>>> conversation ends.  Write on! Lynda
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Applebutter Hill" <applebutterhill at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] New Book, blindness on TV
>>>
>>>
>>>> Great story!
>>>> Donna
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Henrietta Brewer
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:32 PM
>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] New Book, blindness on TV
>>>>
>>>> You guys make me laugh. You're right, Sighted people can't imagine
>>>> the blind being the hero. At Christmas, when the power was out in
>>>> our town, I had twenty five or thirty people here most days. We had

>>>> a generator so we had a few lights but not in more then half the
>>>> house.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't think much of it while everyone was here. Though I was
>>>> tired of doing all the fetching because no one could find anything
>>>> in the dark. When everyone left and I was cleaning house, I saw how
>>>> difficult it was for our guests. They had only a flashlight in the
>>>> bathroom and
their
>>>> bedroom and nothing was where it should be.
>>>>
>>>> they all mention now, that they will call me in any black out. But
>>>> it took reality to get even family to realize that a blind person
>>>> can be helpful in a black out. lol Henrietta On Feb 13, 2014, at
>>>> 12:10 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When I wrote a short mystery story for a detective fiction class I

>>>>> took at university, I made my main character blind, which is the
>>>>> first time I did this. Anyway, at one point, the house the two
>>>>> main characters are sleeping in goes up in flames, and the blind
>>>>> character navigates them out of the house. Using his other senses,

>>>>> he makes it out the front door. I did do some research before
>>>>> writing the scene, but mostly based it off my own knowledge of
>>>>> what a blind person might do in that particular situation. When
>>>>> critiqueing our stories, a classmate said, to my face, it wasn't
>>>>> believeable that a blind person could do that and I should change
>>>>> that scene. Another classmate, to my surprise, said who better
>>>>> than a blind person to navigate through a situation where sight
>>>>> wouldn't be much help because of the smoke, and that by smell and
>>>>> feeling heat, surely a blind person would be able to navigate just

>>>>> as well, if not better, than a sighted person. After considering
>>>>> this point, the first person half-heartedly agreed. My point being

>>>>> that I agree with Chris that even though these stories are being
>>>>> written by blind people, most of the sighted world can't, or
>>>>> won't, buy a blind person doing the things we make them do, living

>>>>> as independent, active,
>> vital people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Chris Kuell
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 7:47 AM
>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] New Book, blindness on TV
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Donna,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm generally skeptical by nature, but I really hope they do a
>>>>> good job with this show. It's exactly what we've been talking
>>>>> about here--an opportunity to crush the stupid stereotypes and let

>>>>> the public see a guy who is interesting, and just happens to be
>>>>> blind. If it does a good job, and if the public enjoys it, it
>>>>> could open the door to more blind characters in the
>>>>>
>>>>> arts. Personally, I feel certain that the reason books like yours
>>>>> and mine aren't getting read by agents and traditional publishers
>>>>> is because we have blind protagonists. An agent, or more likely,
>>>>> an agent's assistant reads my query and thinks--a blind
>>>>> protagonist? Nobody is going to buy that. It's too outside
>>>>> mainstream experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully, the times, they are a changing.
>>>>>
>>>>> chris
>>>>>
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