[stylist] Low expectations of the blind; RE: New Book, blindness on TV
Bridgit Pollpeter
bpollpeter at hotmail.com
Mon Feb 17 00:38:01 UTC 2014
Ha-ha!
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Put your hand over there eyes everytime they do it.
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Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 11:04 AM
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My biggest complaint the last couple of weeks is the inability to
understand the point of the cane. Most tend to think the cane is just a
badge identifying us as blind instead of recognizing it as a tool for
mobility. People constantly are trying to get my cane to avoid tapping
or touching objects, not getting this is the entire reason for the cane.
And when my cane does its actual job, people tend to become embarrassed
for some reason. Doesn't matter what I say or do. I try to explain this,
but it's like it goes in one ear and out the other.
Bridgit
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Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:11 PM
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Preach it, Sister Donna!
People, after nearly 7 years of sight loss, are STILL holding out their
cell phones to show me photos of their kids or puppies! OMG...I have to
tell them "I can't see that!" And, they immediately take back their
phone and say,
"OH, I am so sorry!" Really? Why?
Lynda
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> Hi Robert,
> I was wondering when you'd chime in. Glad to hear we've lost our #1
> status as most feared condition. The thing I keep thinking of though
> is that when we tell the sighted public that the biggest problem is
> public ignorance, they interpret it in a very benign way. My
> impression is that they give me one of those sappy smiles and either
> say or think, "Oh that's so sweet." It seems to me that they view it
> as something we say that shows how brave we are. They can't imagine
> that their well-ordered and basically good society provides more of an
> obstacle than learning Braille or mobility or, God forbid, living with
> the knowledge that we will never see the faces of our loved ones. They
> know that those are the real difficulties, and they can't face the
> reality of how much the social factors are holding us back.
>
> The truth of the matter is that it is the biggest problem we face, and
> that it is a huge problem.
> Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert
> Leslie Newman
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 11:22 PM
> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
> Subject: [stylist] Low expectations of the blind;RE: New Book,
blindness
> on
> TV
>
> Hi you all, this has been an interesting conversation:
>
> Here is another generalization that many around the world have
> developed over the eons: Blindness is the most God awful, feared
> physical condition that mankind can experience.
>
> I had read and heard this forever, from the mouths of people on the
> street, to what I've learned in a variety of college classes..though,
> over the
> past
> couple of decades blindness has been pushed down to third place. Guess
> what
> has eclipsed being blind as the most feared? Aids and cancer. And hey,
I
> can
> believe that these two physical conditions are far worse...after all,
> either one of these two monster conditions can kill you!!! (Though,
> there are
> some
> who feel that blindness is a living death. And yeah, if you allow it
to
> rule! And this is where the NFB has done the world a great
service...as in
> we have developed a philosophy, built a framework of alternative
> techniques, and influenced the making of a wide variety of tools that
> in combination...will allow most of us to reduce the effects of
blindness,
> down
> to a level whereby most of us can say with an honesty level of 100%,
> 100%, that the loss of sight is not a major impediment to living a
successful
> and
> happy life. No...the true problem we face is more the ignorance and
the
> lack
> of information about the human potential to successfully live with
> blindness is the toughest impediment to being blind. MMM, go figure?
> [Being
blind
> isn't the problem, living in a world of ignorance is.]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Applebutter Hill
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 9:10 PM
> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [stylist] New Book, blindness on TV
>
> Lynda,
> At 70, I should certainly hope you (or anyone) would have developed a
> healthy level of skepticism. *grin*
>
> I know that black people face prejudice and low expectations, but I
> think the fact that white people enslaved them to actually do
> something, makes that low level quite a bit higher than for blind
> people. We aren't deemed capable of planting a field, keeping up a
> household or even caring for children -- as the incident in the
> Midwest a few years ago shoed, when a child was removed shortly after
> birth from its blind parents.
>
> Our traditional purpose is to give the average person something they
> can look at and say, "Well, I may have problems, but at least I'm not
> blind." We also have traditionally provided them with opportunities to
> do good deeds. Expecting us to no longer be helpless fundamentally
> changes how they see themselves.
>
> Your post reminds me of a story I heard from a blind woman who was
> accepted to grad school. Her aunt was furious that she had stolen the
> position
from
> someone who could really benefit from it. The belief was that anything
> that
> a blind person accomplished was just another example of the kindness
of
> strangers in elevating a pitiful person and helping them feel better
about
> themselves. BTW, she has a doctorate in law. I heard many similar
stories
> when I was writing about Braille literacy -- they weren't on topic at
the
> time, and I had hoped to gather some of the things people told me into
> articles about some of these more subtle things that are going on to
this
> day, but it never happened.
> Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
> Lambert
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 6:31 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] New Book, blindness on TV
>
> Donna, yes, the expectations for blind people are very low. I believe
> that is why blind people as a group are the highest educated of all
> people
with
> disabilities, yet, they are the lowest employed people of all the
groups.
> This says it all - we are not expected to be smart, able, or willing
to
> succeed at anything more than very low levels.
> This is my own thoughts on it and I recognize I am quite skeptical
about
> it
> - but heck, I am 70 years old now, so I guess I can blame it on my
age.
> I think we have to work so far beyond what other people have to do to
find
> success at so many things. And, this is also true of black people. I
do
> not
> know this from a distance, or from reading books on the subject which
of
> course I do all the time. I know it personally, because my son is
black
> and
> his family is black - they are very highly educated professionals -
she a
> physician, he a psychologist. At every level, black people still face
> very
> low expectations and racism - and I think blind people are very close
to
> the
> same in the general view of the ST"STUPID public. I agree with you.
They
> are
> ver STUPID, but we won't tell them that, just yet. lol
>
> Lynda
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> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 3:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] New Book, blindness on TV
>
>
>> Lynda,
>> Like you've noticed with your sister and the key, sighted people will
>> not accept anything we do as anything other than a fluke or a
>> miracle. Even faced with a clear description of the usefulness of
>> other senses, they somehow still have to brush anything aside that
>> conflicts with what they kno ... Blindness is essentially
>> insurmountable. I think of it as being similar to the days when a few
>> nutheads were trying to explain to the human race that the world is
>> not flat.
>>
>> Coincidentally, I just got an e-mail from a rehab counsellor in PA,
>> who I reached out to on Linked In -- I offer them a free e-book
>> version of my novel and explain why I think it has value for them and
>> their clients. I mention the issue of dealing with low expectations.
>> This man said that, as
>
>> a
>> person who used to work with BVI and now works with other
>> disabilities, he believes that the issue of low expectations is much
>> worse for those with vision loss. I have always felt that way, but I
>> don't have the credentials to say so. It meant a lot to me to hear
>> that
> from someone.
>>
>> You hit on the reason behind my removing all references to blindness
>> from my online book descriptions; it's a taboo. Just imagine someone
>> getting my book and not knowing that the heroine is blind and has a
>> guide dog. They will have to read through at least a page before it
>> becomes clear to them. Some will be angry with me, because I didn't
>> warn them. Some, I hope, will have gotten hooked by something else in
>> the story and read it anyway. It's fiction, so they don't have to
>> change their stupid belief systems, but I hope they will have a bit
>> of an adjustment in spite of themselves. Donna -----Original
>> Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
>> Lambert
>> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 9:18 AM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] New Book, blindness on TV
>>
>> It's a Friday morning snow storm here - a beautiful day outside. Time
>> to get some coffee and begin my day, but first I wanted to drop a not
>> on your discussion which is so interesting to me.
>>
>> I think Bridgit really hit it - unless a sighted person has had a lot
>> of time together with a blind person, they are really clueless and
>> they could care less about knowing positive things. They still live
>> with the mentality of the question they have asked themselves and
>> each other for years, "Would you rather lose your sight, or your
>> hearing?". To sighted people losing sight or hearing is the worst
>> case scenario they can think of and they are not about to look any
>> closer into either of the two life-challenges. And, as Henrietta,
>> experienced, even close family members really don't understand how we
>> do things. Not really. They watch us, but we are a mystery to them
>> even though they have been around us many times over the years.
>> Occasionally there is some little revelation that they grasp, but I
>> think it is very rare.
>>
>> A couple years ago I went on a short 5 hour trip with my sister.
>> When we arrived at our cousin's home, we had instructions to locate
>> her house key and let ourselves in because they were away on vacation
>> and we would have their home to stay in. My sister retrieved the
>> key, as instructed. She began to try to open the door. She fiddled
>> around for quite awhile with the key and the lock in the door - yet,
>> she could not get it open. She tried turning the key around, tried
>> going faster, slower, but no luck. Finally,
>
>> I
>> quietly said to her, "Give me the key and let me see what I can do."
>> She snickered and said "Oh, sure, you are going to open the door that
>> you can't even see!" I took the key from her, felt the key, and
>> inserted it into the door's lock slowly. Then, I put my left had on
>> the door, just above the lock, so I could FEEL any movement the lock
>> would make. And, I leaned very close to the lock, and I listened.
>> Very quickly, as I slowly turned the key, I felt the vibration of it
>> moving, and I heard the click as it was disengaged. I smiled, and
>> handed over the key to her, and said, "The door is open." She loudly
>> proclaimed, "I cannot believe it! A blind person could open the door
>> and I couldn't."
>>
>> I smiled at her and said, "You could not open the door because you
>> were using only your eyes. I opened it because I could feel it and
>> hear it moving." To her it was something very weird that I had
>> actually opened up the door that she had struggled with and could not
>> get the job done. I think in her mind it was a lucky accident even
>> though I explained why it happened. Most sighted people do not think
>> we can do much of anything, no matter what we achieve - honestly,
>> that is what I think. So, for most sighted people to read about a
>> blind hero in a fictional account, I say, "Dream on!" I think the
>> interest level for a sighted person to even read a book through is
>> really a stretch unless that person is really on a mission to learn
>> more about blindness and diversity and inclusion. Maybe in a
>> literature course, where it would be included in the required
>> reading, but on their own, I think the chances are quite slim. But,
>> then, as I write this I am optimistic enough to think I see a "movie"
>> that could be made that would be exciting to them. Who knows? I sure
>> don't. Why is it that we are constantly told we are "amazing" when
>> we do things that are high level achievements for anyone at all? Why
>> is it that some people droll all over us about how inspiring we are
>> and how tragic it is that we
> lost our sight?
>> I just smile at them and say, "NO, not really! It is just who I am
>> and who
>
>> I
>> have always been." That usually leaves them speechless and the
>> conversation ends. Write on! Lynda
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Applebutter Hill" <applebutterhill at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] New Book, blindness on TV
>>
>>
>>> Great story!
>>> Donna
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Henrietta Brewer
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:32 PM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] New Book, blindness on TV
>>>
>>> You guys make me laugh. You're right, Sighted people can't imagine
>>> the blind being the hero. At Christmas, when the power was out in
>>> our town, I had twenty five or thirty people here most days. We had
>>> a generator so we had a few lights but not in more then half the
>>> house.
>>>
>>> I didn't think much of it while everyone was here. Though I was
>>> tired of doing all the fetching because no one could find anything
>>> in the dark. When everyone left and I was cleaning house, I saw how
>>> difficult it was for our guests. They had only a flashlight in the
>>> bathroom and their bedroom and nothing was where it should be.
>>>
>>> they all mention now, that they will call me in any black out. But
>>> it took reality to get even family to realize that a blind person
>>> can be helpful in a black out. lol Henrietta On Feb 13, 2014, at
>>> 12:10 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I wrote a short mystery story for a detective fiction class I
>>>> took at university, I made my main character blind, which is the
>>>> first time I did this. Anyway, at one point, the house the two main
>>>> characters are sleeping in goes up in flames, and the blind
>>>> character navigates them out of the house. Using his other senses,
>>>> he makes it out the front door. I did do some research before
>>>> writing the scene, but mostly based it off my own knowledge of what
>>>> a blind person might do in that particular situation. When
>>>> critiqueing our stories, a classmate said, to my face, it wasn't
>>>> believeable that a blind person could do that and I should change
>>>> that scene. Another classmate, to my surprise, said who better than
>>>> a blind person to navigate through a situation where sight wouldn't
>>>> be much help because of the smoke, and that by smell and feeling
>>>> heat, surely a blind person would be able to navigate just as well,
>>>> if not better, than a sighted person. After considering this point,
>>>> the first person half-heartedly agreed. My point being that I agree
>>>> with Chris that even though these stories are being written by
>>>> blind people, most of the sighted world can't, or won't, buy a
>>>> blind person doing the things we make them do, living as
>>>> independent, active,
> vital people.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Chris Kuell
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 7:47 AM
>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] New Book, blindness on TV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Donna,
>>>>
>>>> I'm generally skeptical by nature, but I really hope they do a good
>>>> job with this show. It's exactly what we've been talking about
>>>> here--an opportunity to crush the stupid stereotypes and let the
>>>> public see a guy who is interesting, and just happens to be blind.
>>>> If it does a good job, and if the public enjoys it, it could open
>>>> the door to more blind characters in the
>>>>
>>>> arts. Personally, I feel certain that the reason books like yours
>>>> and mine aren't getting read by agents and traditional publishers
>>>> is because we have blind protagonists. An agent, or more likely, an
>>>> agent's assistant reads my query and thinks--a blind protagonist?
>>>> Nobody is going to buy that. It's too outside mainstream
>>>> experience.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully, the times, they are a changing.
>>>>
>>>> chris
>>>>
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