[stylist] lines on a page

Wed Mar 5 22:16:55 UTC 2014

Sites like SmashWords may have a specific style guide they want you to
follow, but in the realm of traditional style guides (MLA, APA, Chicago
Manual, etc.) they will not necessarily have a specific word length, but
they will detail how to format and structure and cite within that guide
for whatever length of whatever type of writing you are doing.
SmashWords and other self-publishing forums are an entirely different
situation. Like a literary publication, I'm sure they have a specific
format in which they want you to submit, so of course, you would want to
follow their guidelines. But when you say writing style guide, it makes
me assume you mean one of the many I listed previously, and other
writing guides. It's not exactly the same thing. What SmashWords wants
is different, I assume, than what MLA or APA will state, of course
unless they state they want you to follow a guide like that.

I currently have no interest in self-publishing, though I wouldn't rule
it out. And if I did opt for this choice, I would study and follow what
the publisher wants exactly.

Bridgit

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Bridgit,
If you want to publish through Smashwords, you'd better read their style
guide and ignore everything else. They take a .doc and spin it around in
their digital "Meatgrinder" till 7 e-book formats come out. They insist
upon people following their style guide, because it's the only way they
can make all of those formats acceptible to all of the many e-book
sellers. Nook has their little quirks which are different from Baker and
Taylor, which are different from all the others for the most part. Of
course, you can submit something and it might fly for the Smashwords
site itself, but that doesn't get you any advanced distribution. The
whole point of Smashwords is to get your book out there on as many
different platforms as possible without actually having to create an
account and upload everything yourself. So, again I say, download and
read the Smashwords Style Guide. Donna

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It depends on what style guide you use; there are several. But the
length of a book isn't really a style guide thing; it's more a general
writing thing.

Bridgit

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Jim,
I would read the Style guide. I know that someone out there has a
minimum word count, but I don't remember who. Donna

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James
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Hi,
I think I may try to make a short book to see if this works, rather than
put someone else through this. I'm a little concerned, though, because
I've never written anything longer than articles. I have  a lot of
material, though, because  I compiled some files about the subject on
which I want to do the book. Do you think it would be OK to do a book
that is 50 pages or less?

Jim

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Jim,
Have you read the Smashwords style guide? It's been a year for me, and I
don't have a new book to publish yet, but I'd want to make double sure
that the Style Guide doesn't preclude using this format. Sorry I don't
have time to go through it again at this time. Donna Donna

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James
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Hi People,
Would someone who understands SmashWords like to try something with me?
Let me explain.

I'm very excited that I may have stumbled upon something that will help
us both create accessible HTML and Word documents, plus get them ready
for SmashWords. And it's a thing that is 100 percent accessible. The
process is a little drawn out, but I think that in the long term, very
nice. Let me explain.

Briefly, there is a mark-up system called Txt2tags. It's a way to write
plain text documents and then have a little program turn them into HTML
or XHTML, among other formats, and then import them into Word,
hopefully, with all the styles created by Word automatically without you
having to do anything, and then you save in the format you need.

Oh, of course, you also  would want to spell check and all that stuff,
but I should hopefully assume that you writer people would do that.

Now, to take my foot back out of my mouth. Hmmm.

OK. I can't explain it all in this e-mail. The basic idea is to mark up
your plain text document and then feed it to the script. Then, look at
it in your web browser, and correct in your text editor until you get a
very nice document by altering the text, running the script, and
checking in your browser.

Here is what some of the mark-up looks like. Note that spaces matter, so
for headings, you have to leave a single space between the right most
mark and the line end character. Here goes.

= Title of Document =
== Subsection Under Document Title ==
=== Third Level Down ===
This can go down to heading level five without changing the script. I'm
pretty sure I can give you what you need if you want to cover all the
heading levels in HTML and get down to level 6.

OK. Here is more.

- This is the first item in a bulleted list
- This is the second item, and the below line closes the list.
-

+ Here is the first item in a numbered list.
+ This is the second.
+ This is the third, and the next item closes the list.
+

This link automatically gets turned into a web link that you can click.
http://www.nfb.org/.

When you use a blank line, you automatically get a paragraph break.

**Here is some bold text**.

//Here is some italic text//.

And, if you need to do so, you can do tables, but I'm not going to do
them here.

--So strike that idea--.

You can also do numbered headings, like 1., 1.1, 2.1, and all.

They also let you do definition lists and terms.

For nested lists, they want you to indent with tabs, but I am working on
a totally accessible replacement, because screen readers are bad at
reading tab characters on the fly. It shouldn't be too hard.

If you would have to do some sort of scholarly paper, I'm unsure if this
thing can be made to do footnotes and end notes, but I know that I can
create a way to do the HTML citation tag.

So who wants to experiment?

Thanks.

Jim

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Jim,
You make an excellent point about tabbing being the wrong thing to do.
If people want to self-publish through Smashwords, for instance, you
won't get approved for their free advanced distribution option if you
have tabs or hidden bookmarks in your book. It's best to get over using
that and into the habit of using Styles.  I never used tabs, just set up
each document with the paragraph and font dialogs. I wish I had started
learning Styles before I was already in the publishing process. *grin*
Donna

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James
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Hi Atty,
If you want to change the Normal style so that it indents the first line
of every paragraph, which is the correct way to do things, that is
possible. You can also make your own style that has indent for the first
line. I just checked my Normal style, though, and it already indents the
first line by 48 pixels. I don't know that the translation is in inches.
Tell me what Word version you have, and I'll get you instructions. The
wrong thing to do is to press TAB to indent.

Jim

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From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Atty Rose
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 11:54 AM
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Subject: [stylist] lines on a page

Hi folks,

How do I check how many lines in a page and how far down the page I am
with word 2007?

How do I get word 2007 to indent the first line on my paragraphs?

How can I check how many lines between paragraphs?

Thanks!
Atty
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