[stylist] lines on a page

Applebutter Hill applebutterhill at gmail.com
Thu Mar 6 19:20:27 UTC 2014 

Agreed, now if only Jaws would cooperate *grin*
Donna

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From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme, James
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 6:49 AM
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Hi,
The SmashWords Style Guide is actually a pretty good document about how to
do things properly in Word.

Jim



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Bridgit,
I think the term Style Guide is creating confusion. The Smashword Style
Guide is not even remotely related to  the Style Guides of the Associated
Press, Elements of Style, etc.

For Smashwords, Style has to do with how the material is put into the form
the writer wants. What you, as a reader, see on the page can get there
through several methods. If something is to be boldfaced, for instance, you
can do that with Control+b, you can go into the paragraph dialog and do it,
or you can create what MS Word calls a Style. The end result for the reader
is the same, but the underlying integrity of the document in terms of how it
will respond to being put through a software program designed to make 7
file-types from one, is the issue.
Donna

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From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit
Pollpeter
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 5:17 PM
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Sites like SmashWords may have a specific style guide they want you to
follow, but in the realm of traditional style guides (MLA, APA, Chicago
Manual, etc.) they will not necessarily have a specific word length, but
they will detail how to format and structure and cite within that guide for
whatever length of whatever type of writing you are doing.
SmashWords and other self-publishing forums are an entirely different
situation. Like a literary publication, I'm sure they have a specific format
in which they want you to submit, so of course, you would want to follow
their guidelines. But when you say writing style guide, it makes me assume
you mean one of the many I listed previously, and other writing guides. It's
not exactly the same thing. What SmashWords wants is different, I assume,
than what MLA or APA will state, of course unless they state they want you
to follow a guide like that.

I currently have no interest in self-publishing, though I wouldn't rule it
out. And if I did opt for this choice, I would study and follow what the
publisher wants exactly.

Bridgit

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Bridgit,
If you want to publish through Smashwords, you'd better read their style
guide and ignore everything else. They take a .doc and spin it around in
their digital "Meatgrinder" till 7 e-book formats come out. They insist upon
people following their style guide, because it's the only way they can make
all of those formats acceptible to all of the many e-book sellers. Nook has
their little quirks which are different from Baker and Taylor, which are
different from all the others for the most part. Of course, you can submit
something and it might fly for the Smashwords site itself, but that doesn't
get you any advanced distribution. The whole point of Smashwords is to get
your book out there on as many different platforms as possible without
actually having to create an account and upload everything yourself. So,
again I say, download and read the Smashwords Style Guide. Donna

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It depends on what style guide you use; there are several. But the length of
a book isn't really a style guide thing; it's more a general writing thing.

Bridgit

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Jim,
I would read the Style guide. I know that someone out there has a minimum
word count, but I don't remember who. Donna

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Hi,
I think I may try to make a short book to see if this works, rather than put
someone else through this. I'm a little concerned, though, because I've
never written anything longer than articles. I have  a lot of material,
though, because  I compiled some files about the subject on which I want to
do the book. Do you think it would be OK to do a book that is 50 pages or
less?

Jim


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Jim,
Have you read the Smashwords style guide? It's been a year for me, and I
don't have a new book to publish yet, but I'd want to make double sure that
the Style Guide doesn't preclude using this format. Sorry I don't have time
to go through it again at this time. Donna Donna

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Hi People,
Would someone who understands SmashWords like to try something with me?
Let me explain.

I'm very excited that I may have stumbled upon something that will help us
both create accessible HTML and Word documents, plus get them ready for
SmashWords. And it's a thing that is 100 percent accessible. The process is
a little drawn out, but I think that in the long term, very nice. Let me
explain.

Briefly, there is a mark-up system called Txt2tags. It's a way to write
plain text documents and then have a little program turn them into HTML or
XHTML, among other formats, and then import them into Word, hopefully, with
all the styles created by Word automatically without you having to do
anything, and then you save in the format you need.

Oh, of course, you also  would want to spell check and all that stuff, but I
should hopefully assume that you writer people would do that.

Now, to take my foot back out of my mouth. Hmmm.

OK. I can't explain it all in this e-mail. The basic idea is to mark up your
plain text document and then feed it to the script. Then, look at it in your
web browser, and correct in your text editor until you get a very nice
document by altering the text, running the script, and checking in your
browser.

Here is what some of the mark-up looks like. Note that spaces matter, so for
headings, you have to leave a single space between the right most mark and
the line end character. Here goes.

= Title of Document =
== Subsection Under Document Title ==
=== Third Level Down ===
This can go down to heading level five without changing the script. I'm
pretty sure I can give you what you need if you want to cover all the
heading levels in HTML and get down to level 6.

OK. Here is more.

- This is the first item in a bulleted list
- This is the second item, and the below line closes the list.
-

+ Here is the first item in a numbered list.
+ This is the second.
+ This is the third, and the next item closes the list.
+

This link automatically gets turned into a web link that you can click.
http://www.nfb.org/.

When you use a blank line, you automatically get a paragraph break.

**Here is some bold text**.

//Here is some italic text//.

And, if you need to do so, you can do tables, but I'm not going to do them
here.

--So strike that idea--.

You can also do numbered headings, like 1., 1.1, 2.1, and all.

They also let you do definition lists and terms.

For nested lists, they want you to indent with tabs, but I am working on a
totally accessible replacement, because screen readers are bad at reading
tab characters on the fly. It shouldn't be too hard.

If you would have to do some sort of scholarly paper, I'm unsure if this
thing can be made to do footnotes and end notes, but I know that I can
create a way to do the HTML citation tag.

So who wants to experiment?

Thanks.

Jim




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Hill
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:39 PM
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Jim,
You make an excellent point about tabbing being the wrong thing to do.
If people want to self-publish through Smashwords, for instance, you won't
get approved for their free advanced distribution option if you have tabs or
hidden bookmarks in your book. It's best to get over using that and into the
habit of using Styles.  I never used tabs, just set up each document with
the paragraph and font dialogs. I wish I had started learning Styles before
I was already in the publishing process. *grin* Donna

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Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 7:54 AM
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Hi Atty,
If you want to change the Normal style so that it indents the first line of
every paragraph, which is the correct way to do things, that is possible.
You can also make your own style that has indent for the first line. I just
checked my Normal style, though, and it already indents the first line by 48
pixels. I don't know that the translation is in inches.
Tell me what Word version you have, and I'll get you instructions. The wrong
thing to do is to press TAB to indent.

Jim



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From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Atty Rose
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 11:54 AM
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Subject: [stylist] lines on a page

Hi folks,

How do I check how many lines in a page and how far down the page I am with
word 2007?

How do I get word 2007 to indent the first line on my paragraphs?

How can I check how many lines between paragraphs?

Thanks!
Atty
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