[stylist] accessability

Thu Mar 13 16:50:03 UTC 2014

Hi Atty,
In case you need to know, accessibility is a c c e s s I b I l I t y, unless you are making a play on words. <grin>.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Atty Rose
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:46 PM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] accessability

Thanks Jim, and that was funny! LOL
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Homme, James" <james.homme at highmark.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] accessability

> Hi Atty,
> Get NVDA. When you install it, go back in and make a portable copy on a 
> flash drive. Go in. Say you want to use the computer. Once you get on the 
> computer, I hope you can use whatever software they have. Once you have a 
> way to get in the door, can you get out of the lobby? I know it's 
> frustrating.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Atty Rose
> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:18 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: [stylist] accessability
>
> Hi, so I phoned Kinkos last year and asked them if they were accessible.
> They said yes, we have a ramp.
>
> I said but do you have a computer blind people can use?
>
> They said oh no, just a ramp.
>
> I said well, have you considered getting some software so one of your
> computers can be used by blind people? It would just need a screen reader.
>
> No, he says, I don't think we can do that. I can help you if you come in
> though....
>
> I thanked him and did not go in.
>
> If I knew more aqbout the free screen readers I could have told them about
> them, but alas, I don't.
>
> Prosperity and health to you and yours,
> Atty
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>
>
>> Donna,
>>
>> I never thought of this but you're absolutely correct. Buildings legally
>> must have so many accessible entrances and bathrooms, but when it comes
>> to blind accessibility, it's often lacking. Why are legal standards
>> expected for one disability but not another? Websites and technology
>> should have to adhere to certain standards, and yes, actual blind users
>> should be the testers. I get so tired of non-disabled people doing the
>> work, not thinking they need people with a given disability to test,
>> comment and assist.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Applebutter Hill
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:19 PM
>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>
>>
>> Jim,
>> I know what you mean. Getting the most out of our screen readers is a
>> lot of hard work, because every site is different. It can be
>> exceptionally frustrating to spend hours trying to get something done
>> that we know a sighted person can do in ten minutes. Nevertheless, it is
>> what it is, and it's possible to get a lot further than many screen
>> reader users get. I get aggravated when blind people ask me to provide
>> them with a web address, when they can Google it in the same amount of
>> time as I can. It feels sometimes like they don't realize that I had to
>> go through the same grueling and aggravating process they are trying to
>> avoid to get the knowledge I have and that I have to continue struggling
>> every day despite the stress of it, because it's the only way I can get
>> anywhere.
>>
>> On the other hand, people who want to build a hospital want their
>> building to be accessible to everyone too, and they don't know how to do
>> it either. The difference is that the architects of brick and mortor
>> facilities have to meet standards which are scrutinized by licensing
>> officials prior to one brick being laid. Website designers, whose jobs
>> involve putting 1s and0s in the right places, are on their own. They
>> either don't consider accessibility or they hire someone to test the
>> accessibility who is not a user of the adaptive software on a regular
>> basis. It's difficult to force yourself to not notice things if you can
>> see them, and difficult to be conscious of when your sight has
>> influenced something you do with the screen reader. IMO, websites should
>> be tested for accessibility by blind people and some of them should have
>> average screen reader skills.
>>
>> Also, there are other accessibility issues in addition to screen
>> readers. Sites need to work for people using magnification and voice
>> recognition as well. Donna
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme,
>> James
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:16 AM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>
>> Hi,
>> I do accessibility work a lot. In my experience, most people want to
>> make their stuff accessible. They just don't know what accessibility is,
>> or how it affects people with disabilities. Most people assume,
>> naturally enough, that whoever wants to can simply just use their stuff.
>> And one of my pet peeves is when someone who should know how to use
>> their screen reader better complains that something is inaccessible,
>> because they don't want to take the time to use the help available to
>> them. We make ourselves look bad when this happens.
>>
>> Sorry. I'm a little cranky today. I need to do my journaling.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miss Thea
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:43 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>
>> Think I'll document my experiences with Triond on my new blog, then
>> spread it on Social Media like butter on bread. Hahahaha. Thea
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Atty Rose
>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:33 AM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>
>> Hi Thea,
>>
>> Welcome. I get so frustrated when this happens. If writing letters isn't
>> working and there is no phone, all you can do really put a claim against
>> them, or have all your blind friends write them too. I always write a
>> letter if I run into issues. Even if nothing happens I stand up for our
>> comunity. Sometimes it works great! Sometimes I get nothing back.
>>
>> All you can do is your best!
>>
>> Well met,
>> Atty
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 3:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Donna.
>>> There is a place where you can upload photos, but it is still
>>> inaccessible, as you have to drag and drop images.
>>>
>>> All I want is my name in print--a hardcover or paperback with my John
>>> Hancock and a great story inside, that people can get lost in. I don't
>>
>>> mind doing the work; I don't mind doing hard work. But I DO mind
>>> wasting my time, and there's not even a way for me to express my
>>> displeasure by cancelling my account. I guess I could just let it go,
>>> and concentrate on the things I can do, which is why I'm here.
>>> Nice to meet you, too.
>>> Thea
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Applebutter Hill
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 8:11 PM
>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>
>>> Hi Thea,
>>> Welcome to Stylist. I wrote for a bunch of online magazines for years,
>>
>>> but not this one. I'm thinking of a couple of things.
>>>
>>> First, what would a person do if they had their own photos? Is there
>>> an uploader? It seems bogus that they would force people to pick and
>>> choose from stock photos and not have an option to upload photos of
>>> their
>> own.
>>>
>>> I'm saying this, because, if there is an uploader that you can use,
>>> there are sites where you can get free, high quality photos that you
>>> could download and then upload to this site. The captions are usually
>>> clear enough to get the idea what the photo is, and as long as you
>>> credit the photographer or the group, you can use them without fear.
>>>
>>> As far as your efforts to bring this to the attention of the site go,
>>> it is something we need to do, but it rarely results in positive
>>> changes. I used to write for Suite 101, which had revenue sharing and
>>> required a photo with each article. It was accessible until they re
>>> designed their site. I wrote to them many times, and I was assured
>>> that accessibility was a priority for them. They even asked me to do
>>> beta testing on the new site, which I did. Nothing ever changed.
>>> Ultimately they dropped their journalistic standards, such as they
>>> were, and at that point, I really wasn't interested in writing for
>>> them anyway.
>>>
>>> Suite 101 is a Canadian company, so they don't fall under our laws.
>>> But, the laws we have in the US are not being enforced even on
>>> government websites. The irony to me was that when Suite 101 started
>>> becoming less accessible, I was in the midst of writing a series of
>>> articles on web accessibility.
>>>
>>> Anyway, it's nice to meet you, and I look forward to getting to know
>>> you. Donna
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miss
>>> Thea
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 5:36 PM
>>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone.
>>> I'm Thea, I just joined the list, and I write all kinds of stuff:
>>> fiction, nonfiction, and fan fiction. I guess that about covers it,
>>> eh? I used to publish articles and short stories on www.triond.com but
>>
>>> they require an image with each submission. I had sighted help for a
>>> while, but once the sighted help disappeared, I found I could not use
>>> this site because of its image requirement. It's not a Captcha I have
>>> to fill in. This site requires, along with the article, your selection
>>
>>> of a category, which you can choose from a combo
>>> box: health, news, politics, women ... Then after the body of your
>>> article, you add tags. Let's say you've chosen "women". Your tags
>>> could be birth control, birth control devices, IUD, etc.
>>> Then there's a question mark where a chosen image should go. You hit
>>> the "get image suggestions" button, and images are supposed to present
>>> themselves.
>>> At this time, you have to be able to see the image and drag it to the
>>> question mark.
>>> Last but not least, you have to check the box that says you are the
>>> original creator of this work, and click submit.
>>> Piece o' cake ... if you can see.
>>> Has anyone ever tried or found some way around this difficulty?
>>> The site is www.triond.com
>>> My emails to them about this barrier have netted me no response.
>>> The site is free, and supposedly, you can create a following, if
>>> you're prolific enough, and you can earn money, be it ever so small.
>>> I don't mind that. I DO mind this inaccessibility, and the company's
>>> apparent lack of interest.
>>> Anyone ever tried this www.triond.com
>>> While I had sighted help, I published articles and stories, so I have
>>> a small portfolio if you like.
>>> Now the sighted help is gone, and I'm stuck.
>>> Any help appreciated,
>>> Thea
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