[stylist] dividing blind people into groups

Sat Mar 15 17:12:40 UTC 2014

Don't know that one, Lynda.
What's it about?
I always liked Dr. Seuss's way of making up words. I do that, too.
Thea

-----Original Message----- 
From: Lynda Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 1:10 PM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups

It is incredibly sad to me - that children would be facing such separation
between the different people who are there.  Sight loss, at any level, is
difficult at best and everyone has challenges no matter the level of it.
But, then, I remember the book by Dr. Seuss, about the Sneeches who had
stars on thars....and he sure hit it on the head, didn't he!
Lynda
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups

> I've actually seen this at camps for the blind as a kid.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda 
> Lambert
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:44 AM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>
> No, I was speaking from my imagination! It's vivid, btw.  I was just
> dreaming up an image of the sort of bin I would make for myself. Maybe 
> your
> bid could be at the Warhol, too? I think it would be great fun.
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>
>
>> Oh, cool, are you actually making something?
>> I thought you were speaking metaphorically.
>> I'm still going to crawl into that sleek fur bin, slam the lid down,
>> and roll in fur.
>>
>> So, are you creating something from different colored yarns?
>> Thea
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lynda Lambert
>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:03 AM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>
>> haha, Thea! That is funny.  OH, MINE will be on display in an art
>> museum in
>> New York City!   OR, maybe the Warhol Museum in Pittsburgh, PA. Yeah, I
>> think Andy would LOVE what I do with that - it would be perfect for in
>> the museum that celebrates POP art.  Lynda
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>
>>
>>>I like it. Only I will make mine out of fur. All textures, no colors.
>>> Sleek, slinky-smooth fur.
>>> This is the land of Touch and See Not. The land of complete and total
>>>blindness--sensuous blindness.
>>> Thea
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lynda Lambert
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:09 AM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>
>>> I do not want to be in a plastic bin! Hmmmm, what are my options?
>>> Make my bin out of soft fiber, in fact, I can knit my own bin. I'll
>>> do it in luscious yarns of orange, yellow, and pinks.  Yes, I'll felt
>>> it to give it stability and I'll make a nice lid for it. Oh,
>>> certainly, I'll do encrusted beadworking all over it. It has to be a
>>> bin that is glitzy and sparkly, soft and warm, and smart looking.
>>> Nice to the touch! Yes, a succulent bin will be just perfect! One
>>> with no labels on it at all.
>>>
>>> Lynda
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Applebutter Hill" <applebutterhill at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 9:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>
>>>
>>>> Are they plastic bins? Do they come with lids? Can I pick my
>>>> favorite color?
>>>> *grin*
>>>> Donna
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Atty
>>>> Rose
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 3:29 PM
>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>>
>>>> Put us into bins, I loved that visual!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jacobson, Shawn D" <Shawn.D.Jacobson at hud.gov>
>>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 2:13 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What I remember from the braille school was that there was a
>>>>> pecking order
>>>>
>>>>> by how much you could see.  The high partials were generally on top
>>>>> with the totally blind on the bottom.  When we had mobility
>>>>> training there were
>>>>
>>>>> the totally blind (Rams) and the partially sighted (Ramblers) and
>>>>> they were in different classes for our mobility milers contest.
>>>>>
>>>>> And then there were the religious differences (mostly Catholic or
>>>>> Protestant or Jewish).
>>>>>
>>>>> Point being, sighted folk will put us into bins according to their
>>>>> own tastes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Atty
>>>>> Rose
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 2:46 PM
>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>>>
>>>>> I really don't think I can add anything to Donna's remarks, she
>>>>> said it so
>>>>
>>>>> well. I just want to say that there is power in numbers. I am one
>>>>> of those
>>>>
>>>>> who write letters and call my senators and congress-people.
>>>>> Sometimes when we feel isolated we can feel like we're the only
>>>>> ones, but there is a
>>>>
>>>>> whole vast group of visually impaired people. And even though we
>>>>> don't always
>>>>> agree   with one another, we don't have to to stand by one another.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps we have issues with the NFB, but here we are on their list
>>>>> talking
>>>>
>>>>> to people who care about what we say.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if they sent out a notice to call our reps, I'd be dialing away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Change takes time and Scheril is right about fighting for it.
>>>>> Sometimes we
>>>>
>>>>> have to take a rest from the battle. I'm resting right now on the
>>>>> NFB rights thing. I am fortunate to belong to a blind group that
>>>>> doesn't care what you see, what your philosaphies are or your life
>>>>> preferences and so I
>>>>
>>>>> feel content doing all I can for them.
>>>>>
>>>>> The time will come for us to gather a group and approach the upper
>>>>> eshilons of the NFB and speak up again. Maybe we're down but never 
>>>>> out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Life is one long adventure!
>>>>> Atty
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Very eloquently said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Applebutter Hill
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:31 AM
>>>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thea,
>>>>>> I understand your perspective, but I disagree with dividing us up
>>>>>> into sub-groups. All of the examples you gave are still viewed as
>>>>>> blind by the general public. Even more importantly, we are already
>>>>>> the smallest minority; we are what is referred to as a "low-incidence
> disability.
>>>>>> Because of this and the geographic separation, we are already in a
>>>>>> position of not posing much of a threat to the public. We aren't
>>>>>> out there protesting regularly, sitting in or even (though I don't
>>>>>> recommend this ) throwing rocks. When the calls come for us to
>>>>>> write letters to our elected officials, sign petitions and the
>>>>>> like, a very small percentage of us actually take action (even if
>>>>>> you limit it to the NFB membership). I know for certain that the
>>>>>> subset that is willing to take the time out of their busy days to
>>>>>> sign a petition, put notices on social media, call Congress, etc.
>>>>>> is a diversified group that includes every category you mention.
>>>>>> Dividing ourselves is suicide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, we are essentially expendable, easily overlooked and our
>>>>>> issues are at the bottom of the pecking order when it comes to social
> change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The goal is to live in a world where blindness is no more of a
>>>>>> barrier than blonde hair. But, I don't think there are many blind
>>>>>> activists who believe that a person can transition from fully
>>>>>> sighted to blind without a significant input of work, dedication
>>>>>> and perseverance. There is also the shock value of those kind of
>>>>>> proclamations, which is how everyone else does it. And, the fact
>>>>>> that we are discriminated against and that the world isn't opening
>>>>>> its arms to welcome us doesn't diminish the truth that, given the
>>>>>> proper training and a can-do attitude, blind people can and do
>>>>>> flourish despite the barriers imposed by a foolish public. Donna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Miss Thea
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:48 AM
>>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How the blue blazes can a non-disabled person test for anything
>>>>>> regarding the blind, or any other disability? What are people
>>>>>> smoking these days? Would you, as a blind person, offer to test
>>>>>> for a deaf-user product? Of course you wouldn't. Some people blame
>>>>>> certain things on the militant blind, saying they're the ones who
>>>>>> made it difficult for the rest of us. If blindness is no more than
>>>>>> a nuisance, or a characteristic like blond hair, well then, it
>>>>>> follows. People with blond hair don't use different technology, so
>>>>>> if blindness is truly a mere characteristic like blond hair, as
>>>>>> I've heard at the only NFB convention I ever went to, then why
>>>>>> should it change? We don't need anything. We're rough, tough,
>>>>>> independent blind people. Right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've always considered blindness a major disability. The day it
>>>>>> becomes a mere nuisance or a characteristic like blond hair will
>>>>>> be the day when I can get any job, use any computer, drive a car,
>>>>>> read any type of print including hand writing, and so forth. Till
>>>>>> that day, and especially with websites going backwards instead of
>>>>>> forwards, I'm afraid I disagree with our more militant friends.
>>>>>> I'm not a rough, tough, young independent blind person. I'm on the
>>>>>> sunny side of 50, have illnesses and conditions not related to
>>>>>> blindness, and frankly, I'm having trouble keeping up with all the
>>>>>> changes. I'm doing my best, but the last Windows I liked was
>>>>>> Windows XP. Not only do I remember text-based DOS and the text
>>>>>> adventure games I so much enjoyed, (as an adult in her late
>>>>>> twenties), I remember when there were no such things as computers.
>>>>>> I remember when the most exciting thing I experienced was the
>>>>>> Optacon and the talking calculator. I remember the Braille I read
>>>>>> in the 70's, and have no idea why they need to unify the whole
>>>>>> darn Braille code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gays and lesbians for instance, gained the right to marry and put
>>>>>> their spouse under their health insurance at work, and be the next
>>>>>> of kin when an emergency happened, and now have many rights they
>>>>>> didn't when I was growing up, because they fought for the same
>>>>>> things, and they fought in force. One of the complaints I've heard
>>>>>> is that the blind community is too busy fighting among themselves
>>>>>> and spending their energies whining, etc. The problem with
>>>>>> blindness is that it's a continuum, not just one condition. Let's
>>>>>> say Al's totally blind, never so much as seen light, while Tyler
>>>>>> sees light and shadows and therefore probably has better mobility.
>>>>>> Tessa can see enough to read large print, while Bill can do
>>>>>> everything but drive. That's all lumped under the general category
>>>>>> of blindness. Oh, then there's blind-plus. I.E. Lucy's deaf-blind,
>>>>>> Samantha's partially blind and partially deaf, and Tiny Tim there,
>>>>>> not only uses a wheelchair but is stone cold blind. How does one
>>>>>> community address all these needs? Why should the guy who can do
>>>>>> everything but drive care about the guy who's never so much as
>>>>>> seen light? These men perceive the world totally differently, and
> their needs are different.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> think lumping everyone into the "blindness" community may be
>>>>>> filling a small boat with more people than it can handle. I
>>>>>> propose the idea that there is a blind community, a partially
>>>>>> sighted community, and a blind-plus community. The blind community
>>>>>> would comprise totals and those who have so little vision, it's
>>>>>> not useful to them. Anyway, if we could sort ourselves out, decide
>>>>>> what we need, and go after it in force, we could end up getting
>>>>>> what we want, couldn't we? Sure, there are more LGBT people than
>>>>>> there are blind people, but I'm sure the LGBT community had to
>>>>>> work out differences, too. Bisexuals had different needs than
>>>>>> transgenders, etc. Anyway, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
>>>>>> Thea
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:15 AM
>>>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Donna,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never thought of this but you're absolutely correct. Buildings
>>>>>> legally must have so many accessible entrances and bathrooms, but
>>>>>> when it comes to blind accessibility, it's often lacking. Why are
>>>>>> legal standards expected for one disability but not another?
>>>>>> Websites and technology should have to adhere to certain
>>>>>> standards, and yes, actual blind users should be the testers. I
>>>>>> get so tired of non-disabled people doing the work, not thinking
>>>>>> they need people with a given disability to test, comment and
>>>>>> assist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Applebutter Hill
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:19 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>> I know what you mean. Getting the most out of our screen readers
>>>>>> is a lot of hard work, because every site is different. It can be
>>>>>> exceptionally frustrating to spend hours trying to get something
>>>>>> done that we know a sighted person can do in ten minutes.
>>>>>> Nevertheless, it is what it is, and it's possible to get a lot
>>>>>> further than many screen reader users get. I get aggravated when
>>>>>> blind people ask me to provide them with a web address, when they
>>>>>> can Google it in the same amount of time as I can. It feels
>>>>>> sometimes like they don't realize that I had to go through the
>>>>>> same grueling and aggravating process they are trying to avoid to
>>>>>> get the knowledge I have and that I have to continue struggling
>>>>>> every day despite the stress of it, because it's the only way I
>>>>>> can get anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, people who want to build a hospital want their
>>>>>> building to be accessible to everyone too, and they don't know how
>>>>>> to do it either. The difference is that the architects of brick
>>>>>> and mortor facilities have to meet standards which are scrutinized
>>>>>> by licensing officials prior to one brick being laid. Website
>>>>>> designers, whose jobs involve putting 1s and0s in the right
>>>>>> places, are on their own. They either don't consider accessibility
>>>>>> or they hire someone to test the accessibility who is not a user
>>>>>> of the adaptive software on a regular basis. It's difficult to
>>>>>> force yourself to not notice things if you can see them, and
>>>>>> difficult to be conscious of when your sight has influenced
>>>>>> something you do with the screen reader. IMO, websites should be
>>>>>> tested for accessibility by blind people and some of them should
>>>>>> have average screen reader skills.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, there are other accessibility issues in addition to screen
>>>>>> readers. Sites need to work for people using magnification and
>>>>>> voice recognition as well. Donna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Homme, James
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:16 AM
>>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I do accessibility work a lot. In my experience, most people want
>>>>>> to make their stuff accessible. They just don't know what
>>>>>> accessibility is, or how it affects people with disabilities. Most
>>>>>> people assume, naturally enough, that whoever wants to can simply
>>>>>> just use their stuff.
>>>>>> And one of my pet peeves is when someone who should know how to
>>>>>> use their screen reader better complains that something is
>>>>>> inaccessible, because they don't want to take the time to use the
>>>>>> help available to them. We make ourselves look bad when this happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry. I'm a little cranky today. I need to do my journaling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Miss Thea
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:43 PM
>>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Think I'll document my experiences with Triond on my new blog,
>>>>>> then spread it on Social Media like butter on bread. Hahahaha.
>>>>>> Thea
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Atty Rose
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:33 AM
>>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Thea,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome. I get so frustrated when this happens. If writing letters
>>>>>> isn't working and there is no phone, all you can do really put a
>>>>>> claim against them, or have all your blind friends write them too.
>>>>>> I always write a letter if I run into issues. Even if nothing
>>>>>> happens I stand up for our comunity. Sometimes it works great!
>>>>>> Sometimes I get nothing back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All you can do is your best!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well met,
>>>>>> Atty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 3:45 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, Donna.
>>>>>>> There is a place where you can upload photos, but it is still
>>>>>>> inaccessible, as you have to drag and drop images.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All I want is my name in print--a hardcover or paperback with my
>>>>>>> John Hancock and a great story inside, that people can get lost
>>>>>>> in. I don't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mind doing the work; I don't mind doing hard work. But I DO mind
>>>>>>> wasting my time, and there's not even a way for me to express my
>>>>>>> displeasure by cancelling my account. I guess I could just let it
>>>>>>> go, and concentrate on the things I can do, which is why I'm
>>>>>>> here. Nice to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> meet you, too. Thea
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Applebutter Hill
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 8:11 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Thea,
>>>>>>> Welcome to Stylist. I wrote for a bunch of online magazines for
>>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but not this one. I'm thinking of a couple of things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, what would a person do if they had their own photos? Is
>>>>>>> there an uploader? It seems bogus that they would force people to
>>>>>>> pick and choose from stock photos and not have an option to
>>>>>>> upload photos of their
>>>>>> own.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm saying this, because, if there is an uploader that you can
>>>>>>> use, there are sites where you can get free, high quality photos
>>>>>>> that you could download and then upload to this site. The
>>>>>>> captions are usually clear enough to get the idea what the photo
>>>>>>> is, and as long as you credit the photographer or the group, you can
> use them without fear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as your efforts to bring this to the attention of the site
>>>>>>> go, it is something we need to do, but it rarely results in
>>>>>>> positive changes. I used to write for Suite 101, which had
>>>>>>> revenue sharing and required a photo with each article. It was
>>>>>>> accessible until they re designed their site. I wrote to them
>>>>>>> many times, and I was assured that accessibility was a priority
>>>>>>> for them. They even asked me to do beta testing on the new site,
> which I did. Nothing ever changed.
>>>>>>> Ultimately they dropped their journalistic standards, such as
>>>>>>> they were, and at that point, I really wasn't interested in
>>>>>>> writing for them anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suite 101 is a Canadian company, so they don't fall under our laws.
>>>>>>> But, the laws we have in the US are not being enforced even on
>>>>>>> government websites. The irony to me was that when Suite 101
>>>>>>> started becoming less accessible, I was in the midst of writing a
>>>>>>> series of articles on web accessibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, it's nice to meet you, and I look forward to getting to
>>>>>>> know you. Donna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Miss Thea
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 5:36 PM
>>>>>>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, everyone.
>>>>>>> I'm Thea, I just joined the list, and I write all kinds of stuff:
>>>>>>> fiction, nonfiction, and fan fiction. I guess that about covers
>>>>>>> it, eh? I used to publish articles and short stories on
>>>>>>> www.triond.com but
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they require an image with each submission. I had sighted help
>>>>>>> for a while, but once the sighted help disappeared, I found I
>>>>>>> could not use this site because of its image requirement. It's
>>>>>>> not a Captcha I have to fill in. This site requires, along with
>>>>>>> the article, your selection
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of a category, which you can choose from a combo
>>>>>>> box: health, news, politics, women ... Then after the body of
>>>>>>> your article, you add tags. Let's say you've chosen "women". Your
>>>>>>> tags could be birth control, birth control devices, IUD, etc.
>>>>>>> Then there's a question mark where a chosen image should go. You
>>>>>>> hit the "get image
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> suggestions" button, and images are supposed to present themselves.
>>>>>>> At this time, you have to be able to see the image and drag it to
>>>>>>> the question mark.
>>>>>>> Last but not least, you have to check the box that says you are
>>>>>>> the original creator of this work, and click submit.
>>>>>>> Piece o' cake ... if you can see.
>>>>>>> Has anyone ever tried or found some way around this difficulty?
>>>>>>> The site is www.triond.com
>>>>>>> My emails to them about this barrier have netted me no response.
>>>>>>> The site is free, and supposedly, you can create a following, if
>>>>>>> you're prolific enough, and you can earn money, be it ever so small.
>>>>>>> I don't mind that. I DO mind this inaccessibility, and the
>>>>>>> company's apparent lack of interest.
>>>>>>> Anyone ever tried this www.triond.com While I had sighted help, I
>>>>>>> published articles and stories, so I have a small portfolio if
>>>>>>> you like.
>>>>>>> Now the sighted help is gone, and I'm stuck.
>>>>>>> Any help appreciated,
>>>>>>> Thea
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