[stylist] dividing blind people into groups
Lynda Lambert
llambert at zoominternet.net
Sat Mar 15 17:23:39 UTC 2014
Make it an INTENTION - and you will see it happen. Intend for it to happen,
and see what the universe brings to you.Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
> That's what I'm hoping for with "Heavenly Realms". A movie/book deal.
> Thea
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lynda Lambert
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 1:07 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>
> sounds like a movie/book deal to me!
> I would bet a LOT that once you began working on your memories, you will
> be
> amazed how they come back in detail and clarity. I have been doing that
> for
> the past couple of years, looking back at my own childhood memories, and I
> stand aside and breath deeply as the smallest details begin to reveal
> themselves to me - and they are written in such a way that so many people
> can feel the connection to the memories as well. I celebrate my own "self"
> as Whitman told us to do - in doing so, I am able to touch other people's
> deepest stories and memories.
>
> It is only a thought, and just something for you to put on the back burner
> for another time. If you description of your bin is any indication of what
> you have to say, well, it is rich, deep, dark, and powerful. Be yourself
> in
> whatever you do in your work - it will ring true.
>
> It's been so nice to speak with you today. I am having a nice relaxing
> day,
> knitting and listening to The Virgin Diet by JJ Virgin - putting good
> things
> into my mind and my spirit as I knit on a cold winter afternoon.
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>
>
>> Maybe I'll write some of this down for the world, but it was a long time
>> ago.
>> I don't remember enough to make a book out of it, but truthfully, I don't
>> know if I want to disturb that rat's nest of memories.
>> I mean, I get depressed on a good day.
>> I think I'd rather approach it through some sort of fantasy genre.
>> Indirectly, from the side, not head-on.
>> Make the story about someone else.
>> Thea
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lynda Lambert
>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:49 AM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>
>> thea, this is heart breaking to me, to hear this. I am a retired
>> professor
>> and taught for a living and this is so beyond the pale of anything I
>> know
>> about. I think you have a world of primary sources for future writings -
>> are
>> you writing about your experiences? I hope you do for they are so worthy
>> of
>> expressing and communicating.
>> Donna has written some brilliant essays on her life-experiences and the
>> expectations she lived with at home at at school they are very powerful
>> pieces.
>> Lynda
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>
>>
>>> Lynda, a lot of people don't.
>>> A lot of the blind people I know have poor social skills. I have
>>> emotional and behavioral problems myself.
>>> I came out of the boarding school in seventh grade, and went directly to
>>> mainstream. The experience was traumatic, and I was no more prepared to
>>> enter it, than I would have been had I finished school at W. Ross
>>> MacDonald.
>>> In addition, my home was certainly a distopia. I didn't realize my
>>> mother and stepdad were on the verge of breakup. I had no inkling there
>>> was trouble, and while being made fun of at school, trying to fit in
>>> with a sighted curriculum, such as in science we all went outside and
>>> looked through a telescope, (well I wasn't made to look through it, but
>>> I was made to stand there while the sighted kids did, and expected not
>>> to make a peep about how I felt about it).
>>> I was 12 years old.
>>> I came from an environment where Braille was provided, to a half-baked
>>> infant idea we now call mainstreaming.
>>> In truth, both environments were hard on me, and both environments
>>> offered opportunities and challenges.
>>> Thea
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lynda Lambert
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:16 AM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>
>>> thea,
>>> I cannot even imagine going to a school where people are parceled out
>>> into
>>> groups like this. How in the world does a child ever learn to
>>> participate
>>> in the community of "all people"? It really sounds like a distopia -
>>> or a
>>> level of hell as per Dante' - how do you ever learn to be with other
>>> people
>>> after being kept in a sheltered yet, sequesterd, environment? This is
>>> interesting and certainly worthy of significant discussion and writing
>>> projects. Lynda
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:06 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>
>>>
>>>> The way I've found it, is in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is
>>>> king.
>>>> At the school I went to, the house parents' favorites always seemed to
>>>> be the kids with the most sight, no other physical or emotional
>>>> handicaps, etc.
>>>> Thea
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Lynda Lambert
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:17 AM
>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>>
>>>> This concept reminds me of the system of household servants in the
>>>> early
>>>> 20th century - the butler was always on top! The outside yard workers
>>>> were
>>>> on the bottom. Others, like the chaufeur and laundry people, and
>>>> personal
>>>> maids had their own part in between in the hierarchy. Only the butler
>>>> could
>>>> serve the meals to the family - from the special pantry located between
>>>> the
>>>> kitchen and the dining room. Only the Butler was there when the last
>>>> guest
>>>> left at 3 am, and on Christmas day when the family had their gift
>>>> exchanges
>>>> and merriment. The butler had a wife and five children, but they
>>>> seldom saw
>>>> him - his first priority was to serve his employers.
>>>>
>>>> Hierarchy is such an interesting thing, isn't it. Even the blind
>>>> community
>>>> seems to have it's own sense of hierarchy, and gives itself demeaning
>>>> names
>>>> and labels. I can imagine the hierarchy stories are quite vivid in a
>>>> specialized school such as you have described. Very interesting. Lynda
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Applebutter Hill" <applebutterhill at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 9:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Shawn,
>>>>> I never went to a school for the blind, but to show you how
>>>>> perceptions
>>>>> differ, I'm going to share something I heard many years ago. I got my
>>>>> first
>>>>> guide dog in 1971, and there was one other partially sighted person on
>>>>> my
>>>>> class, who actually lived in the town I was living in. She was in her
>>>>> 50s
>>>>> and went to Overbrook School for the Blind. She said that the partials
>>>>> were
>>>>> slaves to the staff and were expected to do things for themselves
>>>>> because
>>>>> they had sight and do things for the totally blind kids also. When you
>>>>> said
>>>>> the partials were on top, I couldn't help remembering.
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Jacobson,
>>>>> Shawn D
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 3:14 PM
>>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>>>
>>>>> What I remember from the braille school was that there was a pecking
>>>>> order
>>>>> by how much you could see. The high partials were generally on top
>>>>> with the
>>>>> totally blind on the bottom. When we had mobility training there were
>>>>> the
>>>>> totally blind (Rams) and the partially sighted (Ramblers) and they
>>>>> were in
>>>>> different classes for our mobility milers contest.
>>>>>
>>>>> And then there were the religious differences (mostly Catholic or
>>>>> Protestant
>>>>> or Jewish).
>>>>>
>>>>> Point being, sighted folk will put us into bins according to their own
>>>>> tastes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Atty
>>>>> Rose
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 2:46 PM
>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>>>
>>>>> I really don't think I can add anything to Donna's remarks, she said
>>>>> it so
>>>>> well. I just want to say that there is power in numbers. I am one of
>>>>> those
>>>>> who write letters and call my senators and congress-people. Sometimes
>>>>> when
>>>>> we feel isolated we can feel like we're the only ones, but there is a
>>>>> whole
>>>>> vast group of visually impaired people. And even though we don't
>>>>> always
>>>>> agree with one another, we don't have to to stand by one another.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps we have issues with the NFB, but here we are on their list
>>>>> talking
>>>>> to people who care about what we say.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if they sent out a notice to call our reps, I'd be dialing away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Change takes time and Scheril is right about fighting for it.
>>>>> Sometimes we
>>>>> have to take a rest from the battle. I'm resting right now on the NFB
>>>>> rights
>>>>> thing. I am fortunate to belong to a blind group that doesn't care
>>>>> what you
>>>>> see, what your philosaphies are or your life preferences and so I feel
>>>>> content doing all I can for them.
>>>>>
>>>>> The time will come for us to gather a group and approach the upper
>>>>> eshilons
>>>>> of the NFB and speak up again. Maybe we're down but never out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Life is one long adventure!
>>>>> Atty
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Very eloquently said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Applebutter Hill
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:31 AM
>>>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thea,
>>>>>> I understand your perspective, but I disagree with dividing us up
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> sub-groups. All of the examples you gave are still viewed as blind by
>>>>>> the general public. Even more importantly, we are already the
>>>>>> smallest
>>>>>> minority; we are what is referred to as a "low-incidence disability.
>>>>>> Because of this and the geographic separation, we are already in a
>>>>>> position of not posing much of a threat to the public. We aren't out
>>>>>> there protesting regularly, sitting in or even (though I don't
>>>>>> recommend this ) throwing rocks. When the calls come for us to write
>>>>>> letters to our elected officials, sign petitions and the like, a very
>>>>>> small percentage of us actually take action (even if you limit it to
>>>>>> the NFB membership). I know for certain that the subset that is
>>>>>> willing to take the time out of their busy days to sign a petition,
>>>>>> put notices on social media, call Congress, etc. is a diversified
>>>>>> group that includes every category you mention. Dividing ourselves is
>>>>> suicide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, we are essentially expendable, easily overlooked and our issues
>>>>>> are at the bottom of the pecking order when it comes to social
>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The goal is to live in a world where blindness is no more of a
>>>>>> barrier
>>>>>> than blonde hair. But, I don't think there are many blind activists
>>>>>> who believe that a person can transition from fully sighted to blind
>>>>>> without a significant input of work, dedication and perseverance.
>>>>>> There is also the shock value of those kind of proclamations, which
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> how everyone else does it. And, the fact that we are discriminated
>>>>>> against and that the world isn't opening its arms to welcome us
>>>>>> doesn't diminish the truth that, given the proper training and a
>>>>>> can-do attitude, blind people can and do flourish despite the
>>>>>> barriers
>>>>>> imposed by a foolish public. Donna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miss
>>>>>> Thea
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:48 AM
>>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How the blue blazes can a non-disabled person test for anything
>>>>>> regarding the blind, or any other disability? What are people smoking
>>>>>> these days? Would you, as a blind person, offer to test for a
>>>>>> deaf-user product? Of course you wouldn't. Some people blame certain
>>>>>> things on the militant blind, saying they're the ones who made it
>>>>>> difficult for the rest of us. If blindness is no more than a
>>>>>> nuisance,
>>>>>> or a characteristic like blond hair, well then, it follows. People
>>>>>> with blond hair don't use different technology, so if blindness is
>>>>>> truly a mere characteristic like blond hair, as I've heard at the
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> NFB convention I ever went to, then why should it change? We don't
>>>>>> need anything. We're rough, tough, independent blind people. Right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've always considered blindness a major disability. The day it
>>>>>> becomes a mere nuisance or a characteristic like blond hair will be
>>>>>> the day when I can get any job, use any computer, drive a car, read
>>>>>> any type of print including hand writing, and so forth. Till that
>>>>>> day,
>>>>>> and especially with websites going backwards instead of forwards, I'm
>>>>>> afraid I disagree with our more militant friends. I'm not a rough,
>>>>>> tough, young independent blind person. I'm on the sunny side of 50,
>>>>>> have illnesses and conditions not related to blindness, and frankly,
>>>>>> I'm having trouble keeping up with all the changes. I'm doing my
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>> but the last Windows I liked was Windows XP. Not only do I remember
>>>>>> text-based DOS and the text adventure games I so much enjoyed, (as an
>>>>>> adult in her late twenties), I remember when there were no such
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> as computers. I remember when the most exciting thing I experienced
>>>>>> was the Optacon and the talking calculator. I remember the Braille I
>>>>>> read in the 70's, and have no idea why they need to unify the whole
>>>>>> darn
>>>>> Braille code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gays and lesbians for instance, gained the right to marry and put
>>>>>> their spouse under their health insurance at work, and be the next of
>>>>>> kin when an emergency happened, and now have many rights they didn't
>>>>>> when I was growing up, because they fought for the same things, and
>>>>>> they fought in force. One of the complaints I've heard is that the
>>>>>> blind community is too busy fighting among themselves and spending
>>>>>> their energies whining, etc. The problem with blindness is that it's
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> continuum, not just one condition. Let's say Al's totally blind,
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> so much as seen light, while Tyler sees light and shadows and
>>>>>> therefore probably has better mobility. Tessa can see enough to read
>>>>>> large print, while Bill can do everything but drive. That's all
>>>>>> lumped
>>>>>> under the general category of blindness. Oh, then there's blind-plus.
>>>>>> I.E. Lucy's deaf-blind, Samantha's partially blind and partially
>>>>>> deaf,
>>>>>> and Tiny Tim there, not only uses a wheelchair but is stone cold
>>>>>> blind. How does one community address all these needs? Why should the
>>>>>> guy who can do everything but drive care about the guy who's never so
>>>>>> much as seen light? These men perceive the world totally differently,
>>>>>> and their needs are different. I think lumping everyone into the
>>>>>> "blindness" community may be filling a small boat with more people
>>>>>> than it can handle. I propose the idea that there is a blind
>>>>>> community, a partially sighted community, and a blind-plus community.
>>>>>> The blind community would comprise totals and those who have so
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> vision, it's not useful to them. Anyway, if we could sort ourselves
>>>>>> out, decide what we need, and go after it in force, we could end up
>>>>>> getting what we want, couldn't we? Sure, there are more LGBT people
>>>>>> than there are blind people, but I'm sure the LGBT community had to
>>>>>> work out differences, too. Bisexuals had different needs than
>>>>>> transgenders, etc. Anyway, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
>>>>>> Thea -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:15 AM
>>>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Donna,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never thought of this but you're absolutely correct. Buildings
>>>>>> legally must have so many accessible entrances and bathrooms, but
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> it comes to blind accessibility, it's often lacking. Why are legal
>>>>>> standards expected for one disability but not another? Websites and
>>>>>> technology should have to adhere to certain standards, and yes,
>>>>>> actual
>>>>>> blind users should be the testers. I get so tired of non-disabled
>>>>>> people doing the work, not thinking they need people with a given
>>>>>> disability to test, comment and assist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Applebutter Hill
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:19 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>> I know what you mean. Getting the most out of our screen readers is a
>>>>>> lot of hard work, because every site is different. It can be
>>>>>> exceptionally frustrating to spend hours trying to get something done
>>>>>> that we know a sighted person can do in ten minutes. Nevertheless, it
>>>>>> is what it is, and it's possible to get a lot further than many
>>>>>> screen
>>>>>> reader users get. I get aggravated when blind people ask me to
>>>>>> provide
>>>>>> them with a web address, when they can Google it in the same amount
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> time as I can. It feels sometimes like they don't realize that I had
>>>>>> to go through the same grueling and aggravating process they are
>>>>>> trying to avoid to get the knowledge I have and that I have to
>>>>>> continue struggling every day despite the stress of it, because it's
>>>>>> the only way I can get anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, people who want to build a hospital want their
>>>>>> building to be accessible to everyone too, and they don't know how to
>>>>>> do it either. The difference is that the architects of brick and
>>>>>> mortor facilities have to meet standards which are scrutinized by
>>>>>> licensing officials prior to one brick being laid. Website designers,
>>>>>> whose jobs involve putting 1s and0s in the right places, are on their
>>>>>> own. They either don't consider accessibility or they hire someone to
>>>>>> test the accessibility who is not a user of the adaptive software on
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> regular basis. It's difficult to force yourself to not notice things
>>>>>> if you can see them, and difficult to be conscious of when your sight
>>>>>> has influenced something you do with the screen reader. IMO, websites
>>>>>> should be tested for accessibility by blind people and some of them
>>>>>> should have average screen reader skills.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, there are other accessibility issues in addition to screen
>>>>>> readers. Sites need to work for people using magnification and voice
>>>>>> recognition as well. Donna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme,
>>>>>> James
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:16 AM
>>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I do accessibility work a lot. In my experience, most people want to
>>>>>> make their stuff accessible. They just don't know what accessibility
>>>>>> is, or how it affects people with disabilities. Most people assume,
>>>>>> naturally enough, that whoever wants to can simply just use their
>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>> And one of my pet peeves is when someone who should know how to use
>>>>>> their screen reader better complains that something is inaccessible,
>>>>>> because they don't want to take the time to use the help available to
>>>>>> them. We make ourselves look bad when this happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry. I'm a little cranky today. I need to do my journaling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miss
>>>>>> Thea
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:43 PM
>>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Think I'll document my experiences with Triond on my new blog, then
>>>>>> spread it on Social Media like butter on bread. Hahahaha. Thea
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Atty Rose
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:33 AM
>>>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Thea,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome. I get so frustrated when this happens. If writing letters
>>>>>> isn't working and there is no phone, all you can do really put a
>>>>>> claim
>>>>>> against them, or have all your blind friends write them too. I always
>>>>>> write a letter if I run into issues. Even if nothing happens I stand
>>>>>> up for our comunity. Sometimes it works great! Sometimes I get
>>>>>> nothing
>>>>> back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All you can do is your best!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well met,
>>>>>> Atty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 3:45 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, Donna.
>>>>>>> There is a place where you can upload photos, but it is still
>>>>>>> inaccessible, as you have to drag and drop images.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All I want is my name in print--a hardcover or paperback with my
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>> Hancock and a great story inside, that people can get lost in. I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mind doing the work; I don't mind doing hard work. But I DO mind
>>>>>>> wasting my time, and there's not even a way for me to express my
>>>>>>> displeasure by cancelling my account. I guess I could just let it
>>>>>>> go,
>>>>>>> and concentrate on the things I can do, which is why I'm here. Nice
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> meet you, too. Thea
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Applebutter Hill
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 8:11 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Thea,
>>>>>>> Welcome to Stylist. I wrote for a bunch of online magazines for
>>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but not this one. I'm thinking of a couple of things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, what would a person do if they had their own photos? Is there
>>>>>>> an uploader? It seems bogus that they would force people to pick and
>>>>>>> choose from stock photos and not have an option to upload photos of
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>> own.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm saying this, because, if there is an uploader that you can use,
>>>>>>> there are sites where you can get free, high quality photos that you
>>>>>>> could download and then upload to this site. The captions are
>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>> clear enough to get the idea what the photo is, and as long as you
>>>>>>> credit the photographer or the group, you can use them without fear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as your efforts to bring this to the attention of the site
>>>>>>> go,
>>>>>>> it is something we need to do, but it rarely results in positive
>>>>>>> changes. I used to write for Suite 101, which had revenue sharing
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> required a photo with each article. It was accessible until they re
>>>>>>> designed their site. I wrote to them many times, and I was assured
>>>>>>> that accessibility was a priority for them. They even asked me to do
>>>>>>> beta testing on the new site, which I did. Nothing ever changed.
>>>>>>> Ultimately they dropped their journalistic standards, such as they
>>>>>>> were, and at that point, I really wasn't interested in writing for
>>>>>>> them anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suite 101 is a Canadian company, so they don't fall under our laws.
>>>>>>> But, the laws we have in the US are not being enforced even on
>>>>>>> government websites. The irony to me was that when Suite 101 started
>>>>>>> becoming less accessible, I was in the midst of writing a series of
>>>>>>> articles on web accessibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, it's nice to meet you, and I look forward to getting to know
>>>>>>> you. Donna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miss
>>>>>>> Thea
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 5:36 PM
>>>>>>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, everyone.
>>>>>>> I'm Thea, I just joined the list, and I write all kinds of stuff:
>>>>>>> fiction, nonfiction, and fan fiction. I guess that about covers it,
>>>>>>> eh? I used to publish articles and short stories on www.triond.com
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they require an image with each submission. I had sighted help for a
>>>>>>> while, but once the sighted help disappeared, I found I could not
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> this site because of its image requirement. It's not a Captcha I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> to fill in. This site requires, along with the article, your
>>>>>>> selection
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of a category, which you can choose from a combo
>>>>>>> box: health, news, politics, women ... Then after the body of your
>>>>>>> article, you add tags. Let's say you've chosen "women". Your tags
>>>>>>> could be birth control, birth control devices, IUD, etc. Then
>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>> a question mark where a chosen image should go. You hit the "get
>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> suggestions" button, and images are supposed to present themselves.
>>>>>>> At this time, you have to be able to see the image and drag it to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> question mark.
>>>>>>> Last but not least, you have to check the box that says you are the
>>>>>>> original creator of this work, and click submit.
>>>>>>> Piece o' cake ... if you can see.
>>>>>>> Has anyone ever tried or found some way around this difficulty?
>>>>>>> The site is www.triond.com
>>>>>>> My emails to them about this barrier have netted me no response.
>>>>>>> The site is free, and supposedly, you can create a following, if
>>>>>>> you're prolific enough, and you can earn money, be it ever so small.
>>>>>>> I don't mind that. I DO mind this inaccessibility, and the company's
>>>>>>> apparent lack of interest.
>>>>>>> Anyone ever tried this www.triond.com While I had sighted help, I
>>>>>>> published articles and stories, so I have a small portfolio if you
>>>>>>> like.
>>>>>>> Now the sighted help is gone, and I'm stuck.
>>>>>>> Any help appreciated,
>>>>>>> Thea
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