[stylist] dividing blind people into groups

Mon Mar 17 22:13:54 UTC 2014

Thea,
I know what you mean. I don't think I could have written my novel without
having the fantasy element in it. As Lynda mentioned, I've done a few
non-fiction articles about growing up between the blind and sighted worlds.
I just finished another one for the DAISY Consortium's newsletter The Daisy
Planet, and it was difficult to drudge some of it up again. I deal with it
by making it as succinct as possible. It's like, if I write it into a
concise little package, I can wrap it up and keep it under control.
Donna

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miss Thea
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:57 AM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups

Maybe I'll write some of this down for the world, but it was a long time
ago.
I don't remember enough to make a book out of it, but truthfully, I don't
know if I want to disturb that rat's nest of memories.
I mean, I get depressed on a good day.
I think I'd rather approach it through some sort of fantasy genre.
Indirectly, from the side, not head-on.
Make the story about someone else.
Thea

-----Original Message-----
From: Lynda Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:49 AM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups

thea, this is heart breaking to me, to hear this. I am a retired professor
and taught for a living  and this is so beyond the pale of anything I know
about. I think you have a world of primary sources for future writings - are
you writing about your experiences? I hope you do for they are so worthy of
expressing and communicating.
Donna has written some brilliant essays on her life-experiences and the
expectations she lived with at home at at school they are very powerful
pieces.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups

> Lynda, a lot of people don't.
> A lot of the blind people I know have poor social skills. I have emotional

> and behavioral problems myself.
> I came out of the boarding school in seventh grade, and went directly to
> mainstream. The experience was traumatic, and I was no more prepared to
> enter it, than I would have been had I finished school at W. Ross
> MacDonald.
> In addition, my home was certainly a distopia. I didn't realize my mother
> and stepdad were on the verge of breakup. I had no inkling there was
> trouble, and while being made fun of at school, trying to fit in with a
> sighted curriculum, such as in science we all went outside and looked
> through a telescope, (well I wasn't made to look through it, but I was
> made to stand there while the sighted kids did, and expected not to make a

> peep about how I felt about it).
> I was 12 years old.
> I came from an environment where Braille was provided, to a half-baked
> infant idea we now call mainstreaming.
> In truth, both environments were hard on me, and both environments offered

> opportunities and challenges.
> Thea
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lynda Lambert
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:16 AM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>
> thea,
> I cannot even imagine going to a school where people are parceled out into
> groups like this.  How in the world does a child ever learn to participate
> in the community of  "all people"?  It really sounds like a distopia - or
> a
> level of hell as per Dante' - how do you ever learn to be with other
> people
> after being kept in a sheltered yet, sequesterd, environment?  This is
> interesting and certainly worthy of significant discussion and writing
> projects. Lynda
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>
>
>> The way I've found it, is in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is
>> king.
>> At the school I went to, the house parents' favorites always seemed to be

>> the kids with the most sight, no other physical or emotional handicaps,
>> etc.
>> Thea
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lynda Lambert
>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:17 AM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>
>> This concept reminds me of the system of household servants in the early
>> 20th century - the butler was always on top!  The outside yard workers
>> were
>> on the bottom. Others, like the chaufeur and laundry people, and personal
>> maids had their own part in between in the hierarchy.  Only the butler
>> could
>> serve the meals to the family - from the special pantry located between
>> the
>> kitchen and the dining room. Only the Butler was there when the last
>> guest
>> left at 3 am, and on Christmas day when the family had their gift
>> exchanges
>> and merriment.  The butler had a wife and five children, but they seldom
>> saw
>> him - his first priority was to serve his employers.
>>
>> Hierarchy is such an interesting thing, isn't it. Even the blind
>> community
>> seems to have it's own sense of hierarchy, and gives itself demeaning
>> names
>> and labels. I can imagine the hierarchy stories are quite vivid in a
>> specialized school such as you have described.  Very interesting. Lynda
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Applebutter Hill" <applebutterhill at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 9:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>
>>
>>> Shawn,
>>> I never went to a school for the blind, but to show you how perceptions
>>> differ, I'm going to share something I heard many years ago. I got my
>>> first
>>> guide dog in 1971, and there was one other partially sighted person on
>>> my
>>> class, who actually lived in the town I was living in. She was in her
>>> 50s
>>> and went to Overbrook School for the Blind. She said that the partials
>>> were
>>> slaves to the staff and were expected to do things for themselves
>>> because
>>> they had sight and do things for the totally blind kids also. When you
>>> said
>>> the partials were on top, I couldn't help remembering.
>>> Donna
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jacobson,
>>> Shawn D
>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 3:14 PM
>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>
>>> What I remember from the braille school was that there was a pecking
>>> order
>>> by how much you could see.  The high partials were generally on top with

>>> the
>>> totally blind on the bottom.  When we had mobility training there were
>>> the
>>> totally blind (Rams) and the partially sighted (Ramblers) and they were
>>> in
>>> different classes for our mobility milers contest.
>>>
>>> And then there were the religious differences (mostly Catholic or
>>> Protestant
>>> or Jewish).
>>>
>>> Point being, sighted folk will put us into bins according to their own
>>> tastes.
>>>
>>> Shawn
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Atty Rose
>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 2:46 PM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: [stylist] dividing blind people into groups
>>>
>>> I really don't think I can add anything to Donna's remarks, she said it
>>> so
>>> well. I just want to say that there is power in numbers. I am one of
>>> those
>>> who write letters and call my senators and congress-people.  Sometimes
>>> when
>>> we feel isolated we can feel like we're the only ones, but there is a
>>> whole
>>> vast group of visually impaired people. And even though we don't always
>>> agree   with one another, we don't have to to stand by one another.
>>>
>>> Perhaps we have issues with the NFB, but here we are on their list
>>> talking
>>> to people who care about what we say.
>>>
>>> And if they sent out a notice to call our reps, I'd be dialing away.
>>>
>>> Change takes time and Scheril is right about fighting for it. Sometimes
>>> we
>>> have to take a rest from the battle. I'm resting right now on the NFB
>>> rights
>>> thing. I am fortunate to belong to a blind group that doesn't care what
>>> you
>>> see, what your philosaphies are or your life preferences and so I feel
>>> content doing all I can for them.
>>>
>>> The time will come for us to gather a group and approach the upper
>>> eshilons
>>> of the NFB and speak up again. Maybe we're down but never out.
>>>
>>> Life is one long adventure!
>>> Atty
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:14 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>
>>>
>>>> Very eloquently said.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Applebutter Hill
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:31 AM
>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thea,
>>>> I understand your perspective, but I disagree with dividing us up into
>>>> sub-groups. All of the examples you gave are still viewed as blind by
>>>> the general public. Even more importantly, we are already the smallest
>>>> minority; we are what is referred to as a "low-incidence disability.
>>>> Because of this and the geographic separation, we are already in a
>>>> position of not posing much of a threat to the public. We aren't out
>>>> there protesting regularly, sitting in or even (though I don't
>>>> recommend this ) throwing rocks. When the calls come for us to write
>>>> letters to our elected officials, sign petitions and the like, a very
>>>> small percentage of us actually take action (even if you limit it to
>>>> the NFB membership). I know for certain that the subset that is
>>>> willing to take the time out of their busy days to sign a petition,
>>>> put notices on social media, call Congress, etc. is a diversified
>>>> group that includes every category you mention. Dividing ourselves is
>>> suicide.
>>>>
>>>> Also, we are essentially expendable, easily overlooked and our issues
>>>> are at the bottom of the pecking order when it comes to social change.
>>>>
>>>> The goal is to live in a world where blindness is no more of a barrier
>>>> than blonde hair. But, I don't think there are many blind activists
>>>> who believe that a person can transition from fully sighted to blind
>>>> without a significant input of work, dedication and perseverance.
>>>> There is also the shock value of those kind of proclamations, which is
>>>> how everyone else does it. And, the fact that we are discriminated
>>>> against and that the world isn't opening its arms to welcome us
>>>> doesn't diminish the truth that, given the proper training and a
>>>> can-do attitude, blind people can and do flourish despite the barriers
>>>> imposed by a foolish public. Donna
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miss
>>>> Thea
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:48 AM
>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>
>>>> How the blue blazes can a non-disabled person test for anything
>>>> regarding the blind, or any other disability? What are people smoking
>>>> these days? Would you, as a blind person, offer to test for a
>>>> deaf-user product? Of course you wouldn't. Some people blame certain
>>>> things on the militant blind, saying they're the ones who made it
>>>> difficult for the rest of us. If blindness is no more than a nuisance,
>>>> or a characteristic like blond hair, well then, it follows. People
>>>> with blond hair don't use different technology, so if blindness is
>>>> truly a mere characteristic like blond hair, as I've heard at the only
>>>> NFB convention I ever went to, then why should it change? We don't
>>>> need anything. We're rough, tough, independent blind people. Right?
>>>>
>>>> I've always considered blindness a major disability. The day it
>>>> becomes a mere nuisance or a characteristic like blond hair will be
>>>> the day when I can get any job, use any computer, drive a car, read
>>>> any type of print including hand writing, and so forth. Till that day,
>>>> and especially with websites going backwards instead of forwards, I'm
>>>> afraid I disagree with our more militant friends. I'm not a rough,
>>>> tough, young independent blind person. I'm on the sunny side of 50,
>>>> have illnesses and conditions not related to blindness, and frankly,
>>>> I'm having trouble keeping up with all the changes. I'm doing my best,
>>>> but the last Windows I liked was Windows XP. Not only do I remember
>>>> text-based DOS and the text adventure games I so much enjoyed, (as an
>>>> adult in her late twenties), I remember when there were no such things
>>>> as computers. I remember when the most exciting thing I experienced
>>>> was the Optacon and the talking calculator. I remember the Braille I
>>>> read in the 70's, and have no idea why they need to unify the whole
>>>> darn
>>> Braille code.
>>>>
>>>> Gays and lesbians for instance, gained the right to marry and put
>>>> their spouse under their health insurance at work, and be the next of
>>>> kin when an emergency happened, and now have many rights they didn't
>>>> when I was growing up, because they fought for the same things, and
>>>> they fought in force. One of the complaints I've heard is that the
>>>> blind community is too busy fighting among themselves and spending
>>>> their energies whining, etc. The problem with blindness is that it's a
>>>> continuum, not just one condition. Let's say Al's totally blind, never
>>>> so much as seen light, while Tyler sees light and shadows and
>>>> therefore probably has better mobility. Tessa can see enough to read
>>>> large print, while Bill can do everything but drive. That's all lumped
>>>> under the general category of blindness. Oh, then there's blind-plus.
>>>> I.E. Lucy's deaf-blind, Samantha's partially blind and partially deaf,
>>>> and Tiny Tim there, not only uses a wheelchair but is stone cold
>>>> blind. How does one community address all these needs? Why should the
>>>> guy who can do everything but drive care about the guy who's never so
>>>> much as seen light? These men perceive the world totally differently,
>>>> and their needs are different. I think lumping everyone into the
>>>> "blindness" community may be filling a small boat with more people
>>>> than it can handle. I propose the idea that there is a blind
>>>> community, a partially sighted community, and a blind-plus community.
>>>> The blind community would comprise totals and those who have so little
>>>> vision, it's not useful to them. Anyway, if we could sort ourselves
>>>> out, decide what we need, and go after it in force, we could end up
>>>> getting what we want, couldn't we? Sure, there are more LGBT people
>>>> than there are blind people, but I'm sure the LGBT community had to
>>>> work out differences, too. Bisexuals had different needs than
>>>> transgenders, etc. Anyway, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
>>>> Thea -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:15 AM
>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>
>>>> Donna,
>>>>
>>>> I never thought of this but you're absolutely correct. Buildings
>>>> legally must have so many accessible entrances and bathrooms, but when
>>>> it comes to blind accessibility, it's often lacking. Why are legal
>>>> standards expected for one disability but not another? Websites and
>>>> technology should have to adhere to certain standards, and yes, actual
>>>> blind users should be the testers. I get so tired of non-disabled
>>>> people doing the work, not thinking they need people with a given
>>>> disability to test, comment and assist.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Applebutter Hill
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:19 PM
>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim,
>>>> I know what you mean. Getting the most out of our screen readers is a
>>>> lot of hard work, because every site is different. It can be
>>>> exceptionally frustrating to spend hours trying to get something done
>>>> that we know a sighted person can do in ten minutes. Nevertheless, it
>>>> is what it is, and it's possible to get a lot further than many screen
>>>> reader users get. I get aggravated when blind people ask me to provide
>>>> them with a web address, when they can Google it in the same amount of
>>>> time as I can. It feels sometimes like they don't realize that I had
>>>> to go through the same grueling and aggravating process they are
>>>> trying to avoid to get the knowledge I have and that I have to
>>>> continue struggling every day despite the stress of it, because it's
>>>> the only way I can get anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, people who want to build a hospital want their
>>>> building to be accessible to everyone too, and they don't know how to
>>>> do it either. The difference is that the architects of brick and
>>>> mortor facilities have to meet standards which are scrutinized by
>>>> licensing officials prior to one brick being laid. Website designers,
>>>> whose jobs involve putting 1s and0s in the right places, are on their
>>>> own. They either don't consider accessibility or they hire someone to
>>>> test the accessibility who is not a user of the adaptive software on a
>>>> regular basis. It's difficult to force yourself to not notice things
>>>> if you can see them, and difficult to be conscious of when your sight
>>>> has influenced something you do with the screen reader. IMO, websites
>>>> should be tested for accessibility by blind people and some of them
>>>> should have average screen reader skills.
>>>>
>>>> Also, there are other accessibility issues in addition to screen
>>>> readers. Sites need to work for people using magnification and voice
>>>> recognition as well. Donna
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme,
>>>> James
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:16 AM
>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I do accessibility work a lot. In my experience, most people want to
>>>> make their stuff accessible. They just don't know what accessibility
>>>> is, or how it affects people with disabilities. Most people assume,
>>>> naturally enough, that whoever wants to can simply just use their
>>>> stuff.
>>>> And one of my pet peeves is when someone who should know how to use
>>>> their screen reader better complains that something is inaccessible,
>>>> because they don't want to take the time to use the help available to
>>>> them. We make ourselves look bad when this happens.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry. I'm a little cranky today. I need to do my journaling.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miss
>>>> Thea
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:43 PM
>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>
>>>> Think I'll document my experiences with Triond on my new blog, then
>>>> spread it on Social Media like butter on bread. Hahahaha. Thea
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Atty Rose
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:33 AM
>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>
>>>> Hi Thea,
>>>>
>>>> Welcome. I get so frustrated when this happens. If writing letters
>>>> isn't working and there is no phone, all you can do really put a claim
>>>> against them, or have all your blind friends write them too. I always
>>>> write a letter if I run into issues. Even if nothing happens I stand
>>>> up for our comunity. Sometimes it works great! Sometimes I get nothing
>>> back.
>>>>
>>>> All you can do is your best!
>>>>
>>>> Well met,
>>>> Atty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Miss Thea" <thearamsay at rogers.com>
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 3:45 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Donna.
>>>>> There is a place where you can upload photos, but it is still
>>>>> inaccessible, as you have to drag and drop images.
>>>>>
>>>>> All I want is my name in print--a hardcover or paperback with my John
>>>>> Hancock and a great story inside, that people can get lost in. I
>>>>> don't
>>>>
>>>>> mind doing the work; I don't mind doing hard work. But I DO mind
>>>>> wasting my time, and there's not even a way for me to express my
>>>>> displeasure by cancelling my account. I guess I could just let it go,
>>>>> and concentrate on the things I can do, which is why I'm here. Nice
>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>> meet you, too. Thea
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Applebutter Hill
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 8:11 PM
>>>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Thea,
>>>>> Welcome to Stylist. I wrote for a bunch of online magazines for
>>>>> years,
>>>>
>>>>> but not this one. I'm thinking of a couple of things.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, what would a person do if they had their own photos? Is there
>>>>> an uploader? It seems bogus that they would force people to pick and
>>>>> choose from stock photos and not have an option to upload photos of
>>>>> their
>>>> own.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm saying this, because, if there is an uploader that you can use,
>>>>> there are sites where you can get free, high quality photos that you
>>>>> could download and then upload to this site. The captions are usually
>>>>> clear enough to get the idea what the photo is, and as long as you
>>>>> credit the photographer or the group, you can use them without fear.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as your efforts to bring this to the attention of the site go,
>>>>> it is something we need to do, but it rarely results in positive
>>>>> changes. I used to write for Suite 101, which had revenue sharing and
>>>>> required a photo with each article. It was accessible until they re
>>>>> designed their site. I wrote to them many times, and I was assured
>>>>> that accessibility was a priority for them. They even asked me to do
>>>>> beta testing on the new site, which I did. Nothing ever changed.
>>>>> Ultimately they dropped their journalistic standards, such as they
>>>>> were, and at that point, I really wasn't interested in writing for
>>>>> them anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suite 101 is a Canadian company, so they don't fall under our laws.
>>>>> But, the laws we have in the US are not being enforced even on
>>>>> government websites. The irony to me was that when Suite 101 started
>>>>> becoming less accessible, I was in the midst of writing a series of
>>>>> articles on web accessibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, it's nice to meet you, and I look forward to getting to know
>>>>> you. Donna
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miss
>>>>> Thea
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 5:36 PM
>>>>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [stylist] Thea, New Kid
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, everyone.
>>>>> I'm Thea, I just joined the list, and I write all kinds of stuff:
>>>>> fiction, nonfiction, and fan fiction. I guess that about covers it,
>>>>> eh? I used to publish articles and short stories on www.triond.com
>>>>> but
>>>>
>>>>> they require an image with each submission. I had sighted help for a
>>>>> while, but once the sighted help disappeared, I found I could not use
>>>>> this site because of its image requirement. It's not a Captcha I have
>>>>> to fill in. This site requires, along with the article, your
>>>>> selection
>>>>
>>>>> of a category, which you can choose from a combo
>>>>> box: health, news, politics, women ... Then after the body of your
>>>>> article, you add tags. Let's say you've chosen "women". Your tags
>>>>> could be birth control, birth control devices, IUD, etc. Then there's
>>>>> a question mark where a chosen image should go. You hit the "get
>>>>> image
>>>>
>>>>> suggestions" button, and images are supposed to present themselves.
>>>>> At this time, you have to be able to see the image and drag it to the
>>>>> question mark.
>>>>> Last but not least, you have to check the box that says you are the
>>>>> original creator of this work, and click submit.
>>>>> Piece o' cake ... if you can see.
>>>>> Has anyone ever tried or found some way around this difficulty?
>>>>> The site is www.triond.com
>>>>> My emails to them about this barrier have netted me no response.
>>>>> The site is free, and supposedly, you can create a following, if
>>>>> you're prolific enough, and you can earn money, be it ever so small.
>>>>> I don't mind that. I DO mind this inaccessibility, and the company's
>>>>> apparent lack of interest.
>>>>> Anyone ever tried this www.triond.com While I had sighted help, I
>>>>> published articles and stories, so I have a small portfolio if you
>>>>> like.
>>>>> Now the sighted help is gone, and I'm stuck.
>>>>> Any help appreciated,
>>>>> Thea
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