[stylist] Looking for ideas on good children's books- Left Behind

Sun Aug 23 03:41:22 UTC 2015

Okay, since we are on this line and you guys are genuinely knowledgable, I
need to ask a question about Revelations. And believe it or not, it is
writing related. haha   Seriously, it is for a poem I am working on. I hit
a stopping point because I could not remember a simple name that is
referenced in the poem.
Who is the one to blow the horn at the second coming? I know he is the Gold
guy on top of the steeples of LDS temples. Need his actual name though.
Don't expect the finished poem too soon though. With the move and all, it
might be awhile.
Thanks, Eve

 President, National Federation of the Blind Northern Arizona
President, National Federation of the Blind Writers' Division
Member, Slate & Style Editing Team
Editor, Tapestry, a TAWN publication
"You do not need to have vision to see the stars."

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 5:02 PM, EvaMarie Sanchez <3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
wrote:

> No, not at all. I had just never heard that before. I absolutely hate it
> when someone just assumes to assign a belief or label on a group that they
> obviously do not know about. To me education is foremost. I may not know
> everything, and that is debatable,, hahaha, but I want to know what I know
> correctly. I will research or ask questions if I do not know something. I
> expect the same of others, though I am usually disappointed. haha
> This is one reason that I contend that I do not write for dummies. I try
> to make things clear, but I am not going to hold someone's hand while they
> read either. I expect them to figure out ways to learn what they do not
> understand. At least here on the list, I have you guys to answer many of my
> questions. Be assured though, that I constantly open Google when reading
> Stylist. If nothing else I look for references. I think I am one of those
> parents or teachers that annoyingly would say, "Look it up."
> Back to the second coming, sorry, my understanding has always been that
> one of the reasons for the reserection was to explain the impending second
> coming. Thanks for clarifying that there are so many different beliefs
> under the umbrella of Christianity. And I thought you all looked alike.
> haha  Just kidding.
> Last night I was watching a documentary on King James, yeah I am one of
> those nerds that enjoys documentaries. I was sorely disappointed at one
> point when they were talking of Christians and Catholics. Yes, I said
> "and". I wanted to reach in the TV set and shake them while yelling, "Hey
> Dipwits, Catholics are Christian." Who do they think is hanging on the wall
> behind most priests during Mass if it is not Christ.
> I get annoyed easily. Thanks for putting up with my ignorance from time to
> time.
> Eve
>
>  President, National Federation of the Blind Northern Arizona
> President, National Federation of the Blind Writers' Division
> Committee Chair, Arizona Association of Guide Dog Users
> Affiliate Member, National Federation of the Blind Legislative Committee
> Affiliate Member, National Federation of the Blind Membership Committee
> Member, Slate & Style Editing Team
>
> "You do not need to have vision to see the stars."
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via stylist <
> stylist at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I didn't intend on posting anymore on this just so I can't be accused of
>> anything, grin, but to answer you, there are various interpretations of
>> Revelations. Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans/Episcopalian, and Orthodox
>> have
>> similar interpretations. Most these denominations believe the "second
>> coming" of Jesus was when he returned to the Apostles after the
>> Resurrection. Other Christians believe the second coming is yet to happen.
>> Many believe Revelations was written to the Christians of the time, while
>> some hold to Revelations being a book of prophecy about the "End Times"
>> and
>> what life will be like. The Rapture theory claims Christians in "good
>> standing" will automatically go to Heaven and escape all the bad stuff.
>> This
>> gets into a lot of specific doctrine and dogma that's not only complicated
>> but probably not appropriate for this list. Ultimately, I say, to each,
>> his
>> own, but I think it's good to know the theology behind religious beliefs
>> and
>> not just take what you read and hear at face value. And FYI, for those
>> familiar with Revelations, the section at the end about anyone adding or
>> taking away from the Bible will go to Hell, was not in the earlier
>> versions
>> of Revelations. It appears in later copies. So take what you will from
>> this.
>> Sorry, Eve, if this just confuses you more.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of EvaMarie
>> Sanchez via stylist
>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 11:27 AM
>> To: Writers' Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: EvaMarie Sanchez <3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Looking for ideas on good children's books- Left
>> Behind
>>
>> So that was it? He is not coming back to float down and rule the masses or
>> anything?
>> I am totally confused. I always thoughht they believed everyone was still
>> waiting for the second coming. I mean those that believe that. Like I
>> thought that he was supposed to be coming soon and that there were signs
>> of
>> his impending coming. Or am I without realizing it, referencing
>> Revelations,
>> which you seem to be debunking anyways?
>> Oh hey, I am doing it again, getting inappropriate. I just really do nnot
>> understand this.
>> Sorry if I am offending anyone here.
>> Eve
>>
>>  President, National Federation of the Blind Northern Arizona President,
>> National Federation of the Blind Writers' Division Committee Chair,
>> Arizona
>> Association of Guide Dog Users Affiliate Member, National Federation of
>> the
>> Blind Legislative Committee Affiliate Member, National Federation of the
>> Blind Membership Committee Member, Slate & Style Editing Team
>>
>> "You do not need to have vision to see the stars."
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via stylist <
>> stylist at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Nope, actually, it was written for the Christians of the day, many
>> > living in areas ruled by the Romans, who after a century or so,
>> > started seeking out Jewish sects, or now known as Christianity. Most
>> > Bible scholars do not even believe it was John who wrote the book, and
>> > it may have even been several authors. And because the oldest copies
>> > of New Testament writings that can be verified do not even come close
>> > to the actual dates they were penned, most being about 400 to 500
>> > years later, meaning we no longer have text of Biblical scripture
>> > dating any sooner than the early medieval period, quite a bit later
>> > than when New Testament scripture was originally written. So it's
>> > never been authenticated as to when Revelations was written. It was
>> > actually debated for centuries if Revelations should be included in
>> > the Bible. And when the Council of Nicaea convened to canonize the
>> > Bible, it was not able to authenticate it either in terms of origin.
>> > My point being that while Revelations can act as a kind of spiritual
>> > guide, a good vs. evil, if you will, it was never intended for future
>> > generations. It was to buck up the spirits of Christians living in the
>> > time it was written, which likely was between 50 AD to 150 AD. It was
>> > questioned and debated for years before finalizing it as New Testament
>> > canon, so it was not intended to act as prophecy or a guide on the End
>> > Times. And in fact, the Catholic church believes that the Second
>> > Coming of Jesus happened when he returned after the Resserection to
>> > meet with the Apostles.
>> >
>> > Again, this is all covered in writing and book studied at most
>> > seminaries and contained in mainstream Bible commentaries.
>> >
>> > Bridgit
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Barbara
>> > HAMMEL via stylist
>> > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:06 PM
>> > To: Writers' Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: Barbara HAMMEL <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [stylist] Looking for ideas on good children's books-
>> > Left Behind
>> >
>> > The endtimes will not be pretty and Revelation makes that VERY clear.
>> > Those books were meant to make one contemplate where they wish to spend
>> eternity.
>> > Barbara
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On Aug 21, 2015, at 13:47, Jackie Williams via stylist
>> > <stylist at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Bridgit,
>> > > What do you know?
>> > > You  are well-educated in both basic writing skills and biblical
>> studies.
>> > > For me, after reading the 1-5 first books, mostly out of curiosity
>> > > and the need to always balance my intake of everything, I felt
>> > > almost physically ill. So I never read the rest.
>> > >
>> > > Jackie Lee
>> > >
>> > > Time is the school in which we learn.
>> > > Time is the fire in which we burn.
>> > > Delmore Schwartz
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> > > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via stylist
>> > > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:13 AM
>> > > To: 'Writers' Division Mailing List'
>> > > Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] Looking for ideas on good children's books-
>> > > Left Behind
>> > >
>> > > I mean, if that's what you're into, what you believe, great, but I
>> > > personally am against them, and not even for the subject matter, but
>> > > they are just not well-written, but hey, they have sold millions, so
>> > > what do I know?
>> > >
>> > > Bridgit
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> > > Jacobson, Shawn D via stylist
>> > > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 12:47 PM
>> > > To: Writers' Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> > > Cc: Jacobson, Shawn D <Shawn.D.Jacobson at hud.gov>
>> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] Looking for ideas on good children's books
>> > >
>> > > I never read the "Left Behind" books.  I heard about them and
>> > > decided they were worth avoiding.
>> > >
>> > > Shawn
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> > > Jackie Williams via stylist
>> > > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 1:45 PM
>> > > To: 'Writers' Division Mailing List'
>> > > Cc: Jackie Williams
>> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] Looking for ideas on good children's books
>> > >
>> > > Bridgit,
>> > > Amen! Amen! Amen!
>> > >
>> > > Jackie Lee
>> > >
>> > > Time is the school in which we learn.
>> > > Time is the fire in which we burn.
>> > > Delmore Schwartz
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> > > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via stylist
>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 3:48 PM
>> > > To: 'Writers' Division Mailing List'
>> > > Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] Looking for ideas on good children's books
>> > >
>> > > Not to rock the boat, but the Left Behind series, both adult and
>> > > children's, are some of the biggest propaganda-driven books I've
>> > > ever read. And not all that Biblically sound either. Doctrinally,
>> > > though espousing popular beliefs, the theology is not well-grounded,
>> > > much of the Bible it's based on taken way out of context, and based
>> > > on beliefs that are only about 100 years old or so, interpreting
>> > > Revelations in a
>> > way
>> > not previously interpreted as such.
>> > > The first university I attended was a Bible college, and all
>> > > students, regardless of major, had to minor in Biblical studies,
>> > > plus, I've done a lot of independent research on this, so I'm not just
>> blowing smoke.
>> > > I know I'm being controversial, but I'm by far not the first to make
>> > these
>> > comments.
>> > >
>> > > And I don't even find Left Behind to be a good series. The movies
>> > > are equally bad. This is a perfect example of pushing an agenda in
>> > > literature, and focusing on the agenda more than the characters, or
>> > > even, to be frank, the plot.
>> > >
>> > > Bridgit
>> > >
>> > >
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