[Stylist] basic tutorial on prepping docs for sighted readers

Wed Jul 3 17:54:23 UTC 2019

99% of editors out there would disagree. But again, if your format and structure are intended to make the reader feel something, experience something visually that’s cohesive with the piece, it could possibly work. But likely only experimental pubs like The Normal School or Diagram would consider it.

As Jackie stated, even within an experimental format, it’s very unusual to see a center aligned poem.

But to each his own, grin.

Bridgit

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Seems to me that it would make sense to have center aligned text if you were writing a poem about being focused… On your dreams, on your career, etc.

Just my two cents

Ericka Nelson

On Jul 3, 2019, at 11:40 AM, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Stylist <stylist at nfbnet.org <mailto:stylist at nfbnet.org> > wrote:

When it comes to submitting, especially to top and middle tier mags and journals, you have to have very specific reasons for experimental formatting and structure and better be ready to defend it, because editors are pretty strict about following submission guidelines and sticking to standard manuscript form. Even publications seeking experimental work, it still has to make sense to the piece; you can’t be experimental for the sake of being experimental. Right or wrong, this is how the world of publishing works.

Beyond grammar school, I don’t think I’ve ever seen poetry that was center aligned. As you say, Jackie, even when the structure is experimental, it’s still left aligned.

Bridgit

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Bridgit,

according to purpose, content, line length and other factors, Yes, the format of a poem can vary greatly. I am thinking of one category called, The Shape It Award. My poem was called “The Crack in the Liberty Bell,” and it was shaped like the liberty bell.

I have also centered three cinquains on a page of a book, but those poems, though in the center of the page, were still left aligned.

If you write a poem about a person who is suffering from Alzheimer’s, you might write it in fragments with ragged alignment. So content can affect the structure.

I appreciate your thoughts. 

I suppose there are no rigid rules, just the generality that a poem itself is usually better in its chance for publication if it is left aligned, barring the things like those mentioned above.

Jacqueline Williams

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     Jenny Xie

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Jackie,

I’m not a poet but have poet friends. Structure and format all depend on the type of poem and what experimental form you’re working with. When I submit to mags and journals, I believe it still request poems be left aligned, but still, it really depends on why you change the alignment. Is there an artistic choice for it? Does playing with form and structure serve a purpose for the poem? But yes, I think centering poetry is a grade school concept and not something actual poets do. Sorry, don’t have a better answer.

Bridgit

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Annie,

This is good advice and easy to follow. 

I might disagree with centering poetry. Pauline Mounsey, publisher of The Lucid Stone, a poetry quarterly for many years, discouraged us strongly from this practice. Our teacher for the Granite Reef Poets for years, said it could actually keep us from getting a poem published, or selected in a contest.

I would like to hear from the other poets on this list about this topic.

Your submissions to this list are valuable, and I always look forward to reading them, though I do not always get off a response.

My thanks.

Jacqueline Williams

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     Jenny Xie

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Hi,

This subject is a very broad one, for sure so  I  will keep to a  focused statement.

. For informational articles and essays I  use simple text blocks and no indents. Heading can be centered and bolded to draw the eye.

One can make bullet lists, which also focuses on the subject and point for this  type of writing.

One can also center poems. I’d like to say, that I  grew up sighted, and want to also say simple works better than all the fancy shmancy fonts and flourishes. If your writing is good, you don’t need embellishment’s. This can take away from the writing. Also, type fonts should be simple, without the serifs and little tails and such. Fonts with too many sweeps and tails or angles are hard to read for folks with low vision and sometimes scanning software confuses the letters. I  use Calibri or ariel, both well known and used all over the web and in printed books. I used Ariel for all my own books, too.

I  think old-fashioned typesets like times new roman will soon be a thing of the past.

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Not looking for something that tells me what I have done—but what specifically to do to enhance how a doc looks to sighted readers. Mine, at this point, are very plain, and I just want to pretty them up in ways that are typical, but because I am not a native print user, I am not sure always of what markings, graphics or whatever work for given situations. What I ineffectively articulated before is, I could probably learn this by reading a typical doc using the super-detailed settings in JAWS, but am loath to, because of mild Aspergers that makes that kind of fine detail crazymaking—too much of a good thing! So, I’d rather have someone explain what works best for people, what makes docs pleasing to the eye, and how to accomplish it (though the how-to’s, I can probably learn elsewhere). So, hope this clarifies somewhat.

Sandra

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