<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Hi all! <div>I’m also looking for good screen reader accessible writing tools. I know of Grammarly but when I looked into it for my writing class, I found out that it’s not accessible. Does anyone know if the other editing tools that were listed are accessible to users of both computers and phones with screen readers? </div><div><br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown. </span><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is one of my gifts. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Blessed Be! </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Kendra Schaber, </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Student of Chemeketa Community College, </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">member of <a href="http://350.ORG">350.ORG</a> Salem, </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Using both Gmail and Outlook. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland, Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State Beavers, baseball and football teams! </span><span style="font-size: 13pt;"></span></div><div><div><div><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;"> </span></div></div></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Oct 2, 2019, at 15:35, Brad Dunsé via Stylist <<a href="mailto:stylist@nfbnet.org">stylist@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Bridgit</span></p>
<p><span style="color:windowtext"> </span>Just the tools I mentioned
originally: Gramarly, Hemingway, and ProWritingAids. They are
tools designed to strengthen copy. They'll identify weaker parts.<br>
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<p>They aren't a necessity, but they are tools, similar to how we
use spell checkers.</p>
<p>Doesn't sound like there are any accessible options rising to the
top.</p>
<p>No problem, just checking.<br>
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<div class="moz-signature"><span style="color:windowtext">Brad,<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I also do
freelance marketing, just recently finished work on doing
copy for a company’s website. During my undergrad many years
ago, I interned with a PR firm, providing writing and
editing among other things. So, first, this group is not
specific to creative writers, grin. I’m also a creative
writer but that doesn’t pay the bills, ha.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">When I
mentioned adjectives and nouns and verbs, it was only
because you mentioned it in your initial inquiry. But yes,
when writing copy, you don’t generally get super
descriptive. You do want tight control of syntax though. But
with journalism, depending on the type of journalism, you
can be descriptive. I’ve written literary journalism, and
you definitely use literary devices including descriptive
language.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Do you have
a specific tool in mind? There are tools to help with
structure and format, essentially templates. But again,
others I know in the industry, sighted and blind, just know
this; they don’t necessarily utilize these. People and
companies do use platforms like Google Docs and Quip,
especially for group projects. Publisher is another tool,
but this is again more for production purposes, lay-out and
all that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Of course,
for PR and marketing and journalism, AP style is generally
used. I used to have an accessible AP style guide but it’s
old and outdated; I now just refer to Purdue Owl’s website.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Sorry if I’m
not providing answers. I guess I’m not completely sure what
your asking. Do you mean editing tools? Like a device or
software that can help edit? I’ve heard of Grammerly but
have no experience with it, nor do I personally know any
writers or copywriters who use it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Bridgit<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> Stylist
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stylist-bounces@nfbnet.org"><stylist-bounces@nfbnet.org></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brad
Dunsé via Stylist<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 1, 2019 9:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Stylist
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<b>Cc:</b> Brad Dunsé <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lists@braddunse.com"><lists@braddunse.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stylist] Accessible tools<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Hello Brigit,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Appreciate that, your perspective being studied and all.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>My bad for not saying, but the purpose wasn't so much for
prose or literary writing.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I'm a direct response web copywriter. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Writer is probably a misnomer. We're more idea communicators
than writers.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Admittedly, that is the opposite end of the sphere to this
list, and questionable whether I should be on it really. But,
I thought to ask anyway since it is a list of blind writers,
just in case.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I do have a group of peers I can run copy by for feedback.
That's not an issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Plus, I've been writing for a bit now.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Even so, it's courteous to have the best copy possible before
asking, since they are taking their valuable time to read it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>As good as we in this industry might think we are, trained
and all, A List copywriters use these AI tools everyday in
their writing to tighten copy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Mobile viewing has put more pressure on tighter writing.
Frankly, plump use of adjectives, as beautiful as they can be,
often have little place in this type of writing. Unless one
can reduce word count without appearing flowery.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I'm not in a position to presume I'm better than my mentors,
earning several hundred thousand a year doing what they do
best. Or even someone such as yourself, MFA in writing. So,
I'm looking for accessible tools they use, or equal to those
tools to make myself a bit more competitive in my trade.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If it works for them, it can work for me.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Maybe that shines a little more light on it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Appreciate the feedback.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:windowtext">Generally, writers just
understand style and grammar. There’s not really a tool
other than your own mind and the mind of fellow writers
to know, notice and provide feedback on these things. I
have my MFA in writing and know several published
writers, and each of us has studied, formally and
imformally, how to write and the process of writing. In
addition to simply knowing what to look for in your
writing when revising, it’s good to have a small,
close-knit group of fellow writers who can help in the
revision process, which includes style, format and
grammar.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:windowtext">And BTW, adjectives are a good
and necessary part of writing, but the best writing
relies on strong nouns and verbs to “punch up” the
writing, grin.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:windowtext">Bridgit</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brad Dunsé via Stylist<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 1, 2019 7:50 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Brad Dunsé <a href="mailto:lists@braddunse.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><lists@braddunse.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Stylist] Accessible tools</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hello List,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Looking for accessible tools equal to Hemingway,
Grammarly, or ProWritingAid? Or, if there are scripts or
setup to make them more accessible.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Do you use any tools for style, grammar, reduce
passivity, reduce unnecessary adjectives, and make your
writing punchier.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Brad Dunsé<o:p></o:p></p>
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