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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-ZW link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Bridgit, I’ve not used it for a couple of years – I used the free version for a few months – the free trial - and it worked fine for me because I have some vision and could see enough to use it with my ZoomText. I’ve thought recently that I would like to get it again – but have not done so. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I can forward your note to my friend if you want to ask her how she uses it – I am assuming she still does. L.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Stylist <stylist-bounces@nfbnet.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Stylist<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 3, 2019 9:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Writers' Division Mailing List' <stylist@nfbnet.org><br><b>Cc:</b> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter <bkpollpeter@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stylist] Accessible tools<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US>Lynda,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US>First, hello, smile.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US>Second, what specifically does Grammerly help you with? I’m curious and have wanted to learn more for a while, but like I said, none of the writers I know use it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US>Lastly, I would also be interested in hearing from your friend how she uses Grammerly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US>Bridgit<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Stylist <<a href="mailto:stylist-bounces@nfbnet.org">stylist-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Linda Lambert via Stylist<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 3, 2019 5:51 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Writers' Division Mailing List' <<a href="mailto:stylist@nfbnet.org">stylist@nfbnet.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net">llambert@zoominternet.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stylist] Accessible tools<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I’ve used Grammarly in the past and liked it a lot. But, I use ZoomText with speech reader mode on.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I was recently thinking that I’d get it again because I did like it and found it to be helpful and saved me a lot of time.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I have a friend who uses it all the time and she has no vision at all – is very active with blogging and does podcasts, a prolific author, etc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>So, there must be some way that it is accessible to her. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>If you send me an e-mail request, I can forward it to her and perhaps she can help you.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Lynda<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Stylist <<a href="mailto:stylist-bounces@nfbnet.org">stylist-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kendra Schaber via Stylist<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 2, 2019 7:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> Writers' Division Mailing List <<a href="mailto:stylist@nfbnet.org">stylist@nfbnet.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Kendra Schaber <<a href="mailto:redwing731@gmail.com">redwing731@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stylist] Accessible tools<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>Hi all! <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>I’m also looking for good screen reader accessible writing tools. I know of Grammarly but when I looked into it for my writing class, I found out that it’s not accessible. Does anyone know if the other editing tools that were listed are accessible to users of both computers and phones with screen readers? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:13.0pt'>"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:13.0pt'>Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is one of my gifts. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:13.0pt'>Blessed Be! </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:13.0pt'>Kendra Schaber, </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:13.0pt'>Student of Chemeketa Community College, </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:13.0pt'>member of <a href="http://350.ORG">350.ORG</a> Salem, </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:13.0pt'>Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:13.0pt'>Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:13.0pt'>Using both Gmail and Outlook. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:13.0pt'>Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland, Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State Beavers, baseball and football teams! </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:13.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><br>On Oct 2, 2019, at 15:35, Brad Dunsé via Stylist <<a href="mailto:stylist@nfbnet.org">stylist@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'>Bridgit<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'> Just the tools I mentioned originally: Gramarly, Hemingway, and ProWritingAids. They are tools designed to strengthen copy. They'll identify weaker parts.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>They aren't a necessity, but they are tools, similar to how we use spell checkers.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>Doesn't sound like there are any accessible options rising to the top.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>No problem, just checking.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>Brad Dunsé <o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'><img border=0 width=152 height=200 style='width:1.5833in;height:2.0833in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D579E0.A12BB8D0" alt="Image removed by sender. Brad Dunsé smiling wearing a black dress shirt"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>Brad,<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'>I also do freelance marketing, just recently finished work on doing copy for a company’s website. During my undergrad many years ago, I interned with a PR firm, providing writing and editing among other things. So, first, this group is not specific to creative writers, grin. I’m also a creative writer but that doesn’t pay the bills, ha.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'>When I mentioned adjectives and nouns and verbs, it was only because you mentioned it in your initial inquiry. But yes, when writing copy, you don’t generally get super descriptive. You do want tight control of syntax though. But with journalism, depending on the type of journalism, you can be descriptive. I’ve written literary journalism, and you definitely use literary devices including descriptive language.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'>Do you have a specific tool in mind? There are tools to help with structure and format, essentially templates. But again, others I know in the industry, sighted and blind, just know this; they don’t necessarily utilize these. People and companies do use platforms like Google Docs and Quip, especially for group projects. Publisher is another tool, but this is again more for production purposes, lay-out and all that.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'>Of course, for PR and marketing and journalism, AP style is generally used. I used to have an accessible AP style guide but it’s old and outdated; I now just refer to Purdue Owl’s website.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'>Sorry if I’m not providing answers. I guess I’m not completely sure what your asking. Do you mean editing tools? Like a device or software that can help edit? I’ve heard of Grammerly but have no experience with it, nor do I personally know any writers or copywriters who use it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'>Bridgit<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'><b>From:</b> Stylist <a href="mailto:stylist-bounces@nfbnet.org"><stylist-bounces@nfbnet.org></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brad Dunsé via Stylist<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 1, 2019 9:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Stylist <a href="mailto:stylist@nfbnet.org"><stylist@nfbnet.org></a><br><b>Cc:</b> Brad Dunsé <a href="mailto:lists@braddunse.com"><lists@braddunse.com></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stylist] Accessible tools<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>Hello Brigit,<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>Appreciate that, your perspective being studied and all.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>My bad for not saying, but the purpose wasn't so much for prose or literary writing.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>I'm a direct response web copywriter. <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>Writer is probably a misnomer. We're more idea communicators than writers.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>Admittedly, that is the opposite end of the sphere to this list, and questionable whether I should be on it really. But, I thought to ask anyway since it is a list of blind writers, just in case.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>I do have a group of peers I can run copy by for feedback. That's not an issue.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>Plus, I've been writing for a bit now.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>Even so, it's courteous to have the best copy possible before asking, since they are taking their valuable time to read it.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>As good as we in this industry might think we are, trained and all, A List copywriters use these AI tools everyday in their writing to tighten copy.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>Mobile viewing has put more pressure on tighter writing. Frankly, plump use of adjectives, as beautiful as they can be, often have little place in this type of writing. Unless one can reduce word count without appearing flowery.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>I'm not in a position to presume I'm better than my mentors, earning several hundred thousand a year doing what they do best. Or even someone such as yourself, MFA in writing. So, I'm looking for accessible tools they use, or equal to those tools to make myself a bit more competitive in my trade.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>If it works for them, it can work for me.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>Maybe that shines a little more light on it.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>Appreciate the feedback.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'>Brad Dunsé <o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'><image001.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'>Brad,<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'>Generally, writers just understand style and grammar. There’s not really a tool other than your own mind and the mind of fellow writers to know, notice and provide feedback on these things. I have my MFA in writing and know several published writers, and each of us has studied, formally and imformally, how to write and the process of writing. In addition to simply knowing what to look for in your writing when revising, it’s good to have a small, close-knit group of fellow writers who can help in the revision process, which includes style, format and grammar.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'>And BTW, adjectives are a good and necessary part of writing, but the best writing relies on strong nouns and verbs to “punch up” the writing, grin.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'>Bridgit<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'><b>From:</b> Stylist <a href="mailto:stylist-bounces@nfbnet.org"><stylist-bounces@nfbnet.org></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brad Dunsé via Stylist<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 1, 2019 7:50 PM<br><b>To:</b> Writers' Division Mailing List <a href="mailto:stylist@nfbnet.org"><stylist@nfbnet.org></a><br><b>Cc:</b> Brad Dunsé <a href="mailto:lists@braddunse.com"><lists@braddunse.com></a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Stylist] Accessible tools<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>Hello List,<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>Looking for accessible tools equal to Hemingway, Grammarly, or ProWritingAid? Or, if there are scripts or setup to make them more accessible.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>Do you use any tools for style, grammar, reduce passivity, reduce unnecessary adjectives, and make your writing punchier.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'>Brad Dunsé<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'><image001.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><o:p> </o:p></p><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'>Writers Division web site<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'><a href="http://writers.nfb.org/">http://writers.nfb.org/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'>Stylist mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'><a href="mailto:Stylist@nfbnet.org">Stylist@nfbnet.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Stylist:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/lists%40braddunse.com">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/lists%40braddunse.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><o:p> </o:p></p><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'>Writers Division web site<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'><a href="http://writers.nfb.org/">http://writers.nfb.org/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'>Stylist mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'><a href="mailto:Stylist@nfbnet.org">Stylist@nfbnet.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Stylist:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:1.0in'><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/lists%40braddunse.com">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/lists%40braddunse.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>_______________________________________________<br>Writers Division web site<br><a href="http://writers.nfb.org/">http://writers.nfb.org/</a><br>Stylist mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Stylist@nfbnet.org">Stylist@nfbnet.org</a><br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org</a><br>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Stylist:<br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/redwing731%40gmail.com">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/redwing731%40gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>