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<p>Just to clarify further, the 96 by 40 array on the Monarch can be
used for tactile graphics, or for 32 cells by 10 lines of Braille.
The tactile graphics can include Braille labels - that is, mixed
Braille and tactile graphics on the same display area are
supported. It has touch input, a Braille keyboard, and controls
for panning and zooming the display's contents.</p>
<p>I've also been given a demonstration of the Cadence display from
Tactile Engineering at a conference, so I can discuss that if it
comes up on this list. I've read about the metec displays, but I
haven't used one. There are (or used to be) graphics-capable
displays from KGS, one of which I was shown at a conference in
2003. The NFB's International Braille and Technology Center has a
KGS device. It wasn't working when I visited on behalf of my then
employer, but that may have changed since then.</p>
<p>I suppose the Canute 360 Braille display is somewhat
graphics-capable, but it doesn't have the equidistant pins as the
Monarch does, which are better for tactile graphics in my opinion.
I found the Graphiti to be very good for graphics, but I also
found trying to read Braille on the device to be difficult, due to
the size and spacing of the pins.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/8/24 13:03, Ken Perry via
Tactile-Talk wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will not go deep into this but I can
clarify a misconception. The Monarch has 96 by 40 dots and
they are the same cells as the Dot displays. They have an up
and a down. They have a rubber cover over the cells that keep
them from getting dust in the mechanics. You can not have
your hands on it as it refreshes. It does not have a separate
line of braille but the separation from pin to pin center is
2.6 mm. The graphiti has a 60 by 40 set of pins. They have
5 different heights from 0 to 2 MM you can have your hands on
it as it refreshes. The pin to pin center is 4 mm. There are
two current Graphiti’s. One is the Graphiti you saw in 2019
and has just the 60 by 40 panel. The other is the Graphiti
Plus that has the 60 by 40 panel and a line of 40 cells below
it the same type cells as the Orbit 40. They also now have
the two slates the 5/20 and the 3/40 as well which can be
considered a slight tactile display because one has 5 lines of
20 and one has 3 lines of 40 but they have large separations
between the lines like Canute.. For those who don’t know the
Canute. It is a 9 line braille display that also can be
considered a tactile display its cells are totally different
and they rotate like old spinning adding machines. As they
spin the cells are created from two sides of Octagonal
rotating discs. Both the slates and the canutes have at least
a line separating each row of cells. We should also mention
there are as many as 60 companies working on technologies like
this the ones that already have released items other than the
ones I have mentioned are the Dot and the metech displays.
There are also the Holy braille and the Kadence. But I won’t
go into all that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Tactile-Talk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tactile-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org"><tactile-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org></a> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Rich Caloggero via Tactile-Talk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 28, 2024 11:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Tactile Talk for the discussion of the
display and use of graphics on refreshable Braille
platforms' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tactile-talk@nfbnet.org"><tactile-talk@nfbnet.org></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Rich Caloggero <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rjc@mit.edu"><rjc@mit.edu></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Tactile-Talk] Comparison between
graphiti and Monarch<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>I got a demo of the Graphiti in 2019 when I believe it was
still a prototype. However, I've not seen or heard a clear
description of the Monarch. So, my question: how do these two
devices compare?<span
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<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>From what little I know, the Monarch has both a tactile area,
and a separate area containing discrete braille cells,
somewhat like a typical single-line display, but multiple
lines of same. The graphiti has one single display, which can
display graphics, and braille using font technology similar to
how visual displays work. To me, the graphiti seems like a
much better solution because it works just like a visual
display, and looks like one (albeit it very low resolution) to
the host computer. WHen I checked out the graphiti, I did
notice that the braille font had odd spacing between the dots
that made it a bit difficult to read. I was told that this was
because I was looking at version 1 of the display, and that
the next version would have higher resolution, which would
decrease the spacing between the dots, and thus make a more
normal feeling braille font.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Would love to hear other's thought ... <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-- Rich<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 8/27/2024 8:29 PM, <a
href="mailto:kperry@blinksoft.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">kperry@blinksoft.com</a>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The first of these videos is a 15 minute
brochure from Orbit but the rest I did when were working on
it. I was the first Blind person to use the Graphiti with a
Microscope. I even used it with growing fungus in one of my
presentations. The one here is with a pre-prepared slide.
In the videos I made I tried to talk through them so they
would be good for blind and visual. Of course the best way
to see the graphiti is by touch. I unfortunately do not
have a set of videos like this for the Monarch because I am
less a Project lead on that and more just a app developer
and tester.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This first 15-minute video is a video
brochure the CEO of Orbit made using some of the following
videos.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSsoIomrjF0"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSsoIomrjF0</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">These other videos I made and some of
them are used in the above video, but these show how I have
done it. So, you can see that a blind guy did them. I
will mention I wrote the Tetris game shown here and the
library for Graphiti all in python.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Compound Stereo Microscope<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/6b4oyzci7tuqisl/MVI_0093.MP4?dl=0"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.dropbox.com/s/6b4oyzci7tuqisl/MVI_0093.MP4?dl=0</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Note<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>After I made that video. We realized that I didn't have it zoomed all the way out. You can get it entirely on one screen but I had enlarged it and changed the filter so I could look at the regions better.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Orion TI-84 Plus<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/a2jgm5mlktx90k8/MVI_0094.MP4?dl=0"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.dropbox.com/s/a2jgm5mlktx90k8/MVI_0094.MP4?dl=0</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Watching a video<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/rchodldswyzvato/Eclipse-slower.MP4?dl=0"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.dropbox.com/s/rchodldswyzvato/Eclipse-slower.MP4?dl=0</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Turtle Graphics<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/q8axbzz59k25zxx/MVI_0099.MP4?dl=0"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.dropbox.com/s/q8axbzz59k25zxx/MVI_0099.MP4?dl=0</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Drawing with Graphiti<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/ds2mixkcvo9fsj4/MVI_0101.MP4?dl=0"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.dropbox.com/s/ds2mixkcvo9fsj4/MVI_0101.MP4?dl=0</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>NVDA Plugin (NVDA is a free screen reader for Windows written in python)<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh0yg725291hy0a/NVDA-plugin.MP4?dl=0"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh0yg725291hy0a/NVDA-plugin.MP4?dl=0</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>OpenScad 3D design for use with 3D printing<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wia6vwktgipmex/OpenSCAD%20with%20Orion%20Graphiti%2020181012.mp4?dl=0"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wia6vwktgipmex/OpenSCAD%20with%20Orion%20Graphiti%2020181012.mp4?dl=0</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tetris<o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/tos1oy4i8rsp2d0/tetrus.MP4?dl=0"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.dropbox.com/s/tos1oy4i8rsp2d0/tetrus.MP4?dl=0</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Rich Caloggero<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Accessibility Specialist<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Disability and Access Services<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Massachusetts Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></pre>
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