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<p>Responding to "What the Monarch doesn’t do is provide a remote
camera a person could place on a hard surface to read print."</p>
<p>Although it would be quite expensive, I think that you could
implement that easily enough. By scanning an image, you could
render it on the display, including zooming in and out to enlarge
the tactile representation of an area. The trickiest part would be
getting the remote camera sufficiently focused on the document,
with the largest risk being that mistaken camera placement
occludes important areas. If we imagine placing a page on a
scanner, that risk would decrease significantly.</p>
<p>I am too young to have experienced an Optacon, and consequently
my expectations of what one is like may be faulty, but it seems
that you could achieve this on a Monarch, although with a device
more expensive and less portable than could theoretically be
accomplished by trying to reproduce it directly.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/20/2024 14:54, dan.tevelde--- via
Tactile-Talk wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That’s well and good but I can’t afford the
Monarch. I’m moving next month and looking for a new job. What
the Monarch doesn’t do is provide a remote camera a person
could place on a hard surface to read print. I often run into
situations where using OCR isn’t precise enough. I want to
feel the images and not just see the text in Braille or listen
to it being read by a screenreader.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dan<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dan<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none">
Tactile-Talk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tactile-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org"><tactile-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org></a> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Ken Perry via Tactile-Talk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 20, 2024 1:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Tactile Talk for the discussion of the
display and use of graphics on refreshable Braille
platforms' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tactile-talk@nfbnet.org"><tactile-talk@nfbnet.org></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kperry@blinksoft.com">kperry@blinksoft.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tactile-Talk] Optacon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You can look at symbols with Graphiti and
monarck. I have a whole file of greak letters which is cool
to look at but you can do all punctuation <o:p></o:p></p>
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Tactile-Talk <<a href="mailto:tactile-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tactile-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>dan.tevelde--- via Tactile-Talk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 20, 2024 1:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Tactile Talk for the discussion of the
display and use of graphics on refreshable Braille
platforms' <<a href="mailto:tactile-talk@nfbnet.org" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tactile-talk@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:dan.tevelde@comcast.net" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dan.tevelde@comcast.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Tactile-Talk] Optacon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m changing the subject line to reflect
Chad’s message and his mentioning of an optacon. Welcome Chad
to the list. I recently got a an optacon but need to re-learn
how to use it. I wish there was a new optacon which would take
advantage of today’s technology. I’ve run into situations
where I needed to know the print equivalent of a Braille
symbol. I was talking with a sighted person who kept
inconsistently using the terms bracket and brace. He described
what they looked like visually but that didn’t mean anything
to me. The emerging graphics displays are beyond my budget.
I’m subscribed to an optacon list where we have occasionally
talked about developing a new optacon. Unfortunately, the
person driving the project just died. His name was Noel
Runyan. Another reason an optacon would be helpful is when the
primary and secondary relationships in a table change. If I
run into a situation like that when I scan something with a
phone, VoiceOver incorrectly reads the data because the
hierarchy has changed. It will read the left column before
reading the right column. With an optacon, a person could
manually pan a camera and read data in whatever order they
wanted. When one of the main developers of the optacon, James
Bliss was still alive, I wrote him an extensive proposal of
how I thought a new optacon could work.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dan<o:p></o:p></p>
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