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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The word is spelled polymer p o l y m e r. I don\u2019t know much about the technology.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Tactile-Talk <tactile-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Perry via Tactile-Talk<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 16, 2025 12:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Tactile Talk for the discussion of the display and use of graphics on refreshable Braille platforms' <tactile-talk@nfbnet.org><br><b>Cc:</b> kperry@blinksoft.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tactile-Talk] List<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>As I said in my last mail the way they do buttons that are not moving parts is electro polemers. Until they can get them to move fast and not over heat and not use to much current they are not going to be good. Not to mention getting them to be small enough is hard. Making big buttons are easy. I have seen some electro polymers made out of liquid like metals and ceramics but we are not there yet. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Tactile-Talk <<a href="mailto:tactile-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org">tactile-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>carcione--- via Tactile-Talk<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 16, 2025 1:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Tactile Talk for the discussion of the display and use of graphics on refreshable Braille platforms' <<a href="mailto:tactile-talk@nfbnet.org">tactile-talk@nfbnet.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:carcione@access.net">carcione@access.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tactile-Talk] List<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dan, do you know how that works? What does a person feel, with no moving parts? I suppose they could use haptics or something, but, at least for me, vibrations are not as clear as dots for understanding a pattern.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Tracy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Tactile-Talk <<a href="mailto:tactile-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org">tactile-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>dan.tevelde--- via Tactile-Talk<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 16, 2025 1:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Tactile Talk for the discussion of the display and use of graphics on refreshable Braille platforms' <<a href="mailto:tactile-talk@nfbnet.org">tactile-talk@nfbnet.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:dan.tevelde@comcast.net">dan.tevelde@comcast.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tactile-Talk] List<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I had the impression that he meant any moving parts. I remember reading at one time about technology which created virtual buttons. It was described using the acronym MEMS. A tech support person from my cell phone provider said it was a technology used to replace physical buttons which can break.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Tactile-Talk <<a href="mailto:tactile-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org">tactile-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jenine Stanley via Tactile-Talk<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 16, 2025 11:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> Tactile Talk for the discussion of the display and use of graphics on refreshable Braille platforms <<a href="mailto:tactile-talk@nfbnet.org">tactile-talk@nfbnet.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Jenine Stanley <<a href="mailto:jeninems@icloud.com">jeninems@icloud.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tactile-Talk] List<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I\u2019d be curious to know if he meant the piezoelectric pins or the little magnetic balls/pins used by the less expensive displays like the Orbit Reader. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Apr 16, 2025, at 12:14<span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>\u202f</span>PM, dan.tevelde--- via Tactile-Talk <<a href="mailto:tactile-talk@nfbnet.org">tactile-talk@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Is this list still active? I haven\u2019t seen any traffic lately. I\u2019m interested in continuing the discussion of tactile displays. It was interesting reading a blog post by Kirk Adams describing his impressions of the CSUN conference. He noted that multi-line displays capable of displaying text and graphics are too expensive for the average consumer. I think we already knew that. It\u2019s like any new technology. I remember the first Kurzweil reading machine was $50,000 and you only saw them at universities. Now we have reading machines in our pockets. I can use my phone or Meta glasses to read text. Could graphics displays become cheaper? I don\u2019t know considering the situation with reduced public funding.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>One comment Kirk made puzzled me. He said graphics displays should stop using pins. What would replace the pins? He should have explained what he meant which would have helped him make a case for his ideas.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Dan</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>Tactile-Talk mailing list<br></span><a href="mailto:Tactile-Talk@nfbnet.org"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Tactile-Talk@nfbnet.org</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br></span><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/tactile-talk_nfbnet.org"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/tactile-talk_nfbnet.org</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Tactile-Talk:<br></span><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/tactile-talk_nfbnet.org/jeninems%40icloud.com"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/tactile-talk_nfbnet.org/jeninems%40icloud.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>