[Trainer-talk] training client in office and email. suggestions?

Thu Jan 26 23:34:25 UTC 2012

I would say that whether or not such a preconceived notion does or does not
exist among some blind people, it is not well justified.  Outlook 2010 with
a modern screen reader works quite well.

Dean

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[mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brett Boyer
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 3:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] training client in office and email.
suggestions?

Well bonkers or not it is true. I know a lot of blind people who think 
outlook is complex and sometimes bulky with a screen reader. But I do thank 
you for your help and feedback.
bb
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan Tyrer" <jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com>
To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology" 
<trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] training client in office and email. 
suggestions?

> If the user has Outlook, you would have to be rather strange to use
> Thunderbird.  Outlook works perfectly well with JAWS and this idea of
> it not being favoured by the Blind comuity is frankly bonkers!
>
> JT
>
> On 26/01/2012, David Goldfield <disciple1211 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> I am personally a fan of Mozilla products, including Thunderbird, and
>> love the transparency of open source software in general.  However,
>> there are some things to consider when recommending Thunderbird to a
>> user who is not very computer savvy.
>> First, since Mozilla has decided to release new versions of their
>> software every six weeks this can cause the JAWS scripts to break
>> without notice and will therefore confuse the user.  Secondly,
>> Thunderbird has the annoying default setting of placing the subject of
>> the message before the message sender in the message list.  This can be
>> changed by sighted users and even by blind users who have a little bit
>> of patience but if this step isn't done it will be something different
>> from not only Outlook Express but every other email program I've used.
>> David
>>
>> David Andrews wrote:
>>> The  virtual ribbon in JAWS13 works pretty well, and for a noncomputer
>>> user, casual person it might be a good solution.  You might consider
>>> Thunderbird for e-mail, it looks a lot like Outlook Express.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 03:11 PM 1/26/2012, you wrote:
>>>> Hi. Thanks for the response. She will be using jfw 13. I also use
>>>> context menus where possible, she is an older woman and the less she
>>>> has to remember the better I think. She has no problem learning some
>>>> new keystrokes but I wouldn't inundate her with them. I will check
>>>> out this virtual ribbon. I only have a few hours with her so I'd like
>>>> to make the most of them, including making sure she writes down steps
>>>> if she forgets them.
>>>> I don't think she needs specific outlook features though she does
>>>> want to use her braille note more. I think windows mail will be
>>>> sufficient unless anyone else has any suggestions.
>>>> Thanks for your help everyone. Like I said I haven't trained any
>>>> clients in a few years so I'm slowly getting back in to it.
>>>> bb
>>>> Brett Boyer
>>>> Audio Production and voice over
>>>> http://brettboyer.voices.com
>>>> Brett Boyer's Big Bag of Goodies!
>>>> Check out my radio show at my new home:
>>>> http://www.mushroomfm.com/brettboyer
>>>> every Monday 5 o'clock eastern 2 o'clock pacific
>>>> Listen to the Shroom live!
>>>> http://listen.mushroomfm.com:8760/listen.pls
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <holdsworthfan at eml.cc>
>>>> To: "'List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology'"
>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:07 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] training client in office and email.
>>>> suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What screen reader is she using? JAWS has a Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>> feature that
>>>>> emulates a classic menu feel while navigating lower ribbon controls;
>>>>> but
>>>>> functions are still in their 2007/2010 places and it doesn't take
>>>>> away the new
>>>>> dropdown/split buttons and galley controls (e.g. header and footer
>>>>> selection),
>>>>> and you are then tethered to that setup. Personally I go over the
>>>>> ribbons so
>>>>> students can find what they need to if necessary, and then try to
>>>>> keep them away
>>>>> from it wherever possible--context menus for some common things,
>>>>> quick access
>>>>> bar so that alt+numbers 1-0 can be pressed for 10 most frequently
>>>>> used items.
>>>>> It's even easier to avoid ribbons if they're used to hotkeys.
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows Mail is most similar to Outlook Express, and that should be
>>>>> fine unless
>>>>> she likes or requires Outlook-specific features.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Brett Boyer
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:25 PM
>>>>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>>>>> Subject: [Trainer-talk] training client in office and email.
>>>>> suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey all. Well I'm finally getting back on the training train. Anyway
>>>>> I have a
>>>>> client who is moving to windows7. She is used to classic style menus
>>>>> for office
>>>>> and she uses outlook express. I'd like to find the easiest
>>>>> transition possible
>>>>> for her. So what r people's recommendations.
>>>>> 1 Using the ribbon control in office. I thought someone said on here
>>>>> it's
>>>>> possible to use a classic style menu bar in Office. But is ribbon
>>>>> control worth
>>>>> it in the long-run.
>>>>> 2  is it worth training her in outlook since it's widely used but in
>>>>> the
>>>>> blindness community it is not very popular and seems a little
>>>>> confusing.
>>>>>
>>>>> This person is a writer and like I said I think the easiest and 
>>>>> fastest
>>>>> transition is the best way to go here.
>>>>> bb
>>>
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