[Trainer-talk] training client in office and email. suggestions?

Fri Jan 27 03:08:42 UTC 2012

Hello everyonje:

I am a JAWS user and I use MS Outlook 2010 everyday at work.  It works as 
well as MS Outlook 2007.

Thank you.
Cherryl McNab
Community Computer Trainer,
Calgary AB Canada

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean Martineau" <dean at topdotenterprises.com>
To: "'List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology'" 
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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] training client in office and email. 
suggestions?

>I would say that whether or not such a preconceived notion does or does not
> exist among some blind people, it is not well justified.  Outlook 2010 
> with
> a modern screen reader works quite well.
>
> Dean
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brett Boyer
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 3:25 PM
> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] training client in office and email.
> suggestions?
>
> Well bonkers or not it is true. I know a lot of blind people who think
> outlook is complex and sometimes bulky with a screen reader. But I do 
> thank
> you for your help and feedback.
> bb
> Brett Boyer
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jonathan Tyrer" <jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com>
> To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology"
> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] training client in office and email.
> suggestions?
>
>
>> If the user has Outlook, you would have to be rather strange to use
>> Thunderbird.  Outlook works perfectly well with JAWS and this idea of
>> it not being favoured by the Blind comuity is frankly bonkers!
>>
>> JT
>>
>> On 26/01/2012, David Goldfield <disciple1211 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> I am personally a fan of Mozilla products, including Thunderbird, and
>>> love the transparency of open source software in general.  However,
>>> there are some things to consider when recommending Thunderbird to a
>>> user who is not very computer savvy.
>>> First, since Mozilla has decided to release new versions of their
>>> software every six weeks this can cause the JAWS scripts to break
>>> without notice and will therefore confuse the user.  Secondly,
>>> Thunderbird has the annoying default setting of placing the subject of
>>> the message before the message sender in the message list.  This can be
>>> changed by sighted users and even by blind users who have a little bit
>>> of patience but if this step isn't done it will be something different
>>> from not only Outlook Express but every other email program I've used.
>>> David
>>>
>>> David Andrews wrote:
>>>> The  virtual ribbon in JAWS13 works pretty well, and for a noncomputer
>>>> user, casual person it might be a good solution.  You might consider
>>>> Thunderbird for e-mail, it looks a lot like Outlook Express.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> At 03:11 PM 1/26/2012, you wrote:
>>>>> Hi. Thanks for the response. She will be using jfw 13. I also use
>>>>> context menus where possible, she is an older woman and the less she
>>>>> has to remember the better I think. She has no problem learning some
>>>>> new keystrokes but I wouldn't inundate her with them. I will check
>>>>> out this virtual ribbon. I only have a few hours with her so I'd like
>>>>> to make the most of them, including making sure she writes down steps
>>>>> if she forgets them.
>>>>> I don't think she needs specific outlook features though she does
>>>>> want to use her braille note more. I think windows mail will be
>>>>> sufficient unless anyone else has any suggestions.
>>>>> Thanks for your help everyone. Like I said I haven't trained any
>>>>> clients in a few years so I'm slowly getting back in to it.
>>>>> bb
>>>>> Brett Boyer
>>>>> Audio Production and voice over
>>>>> http://brettboyer.voices.com
>>>>> Brett Boyer's Big Bag of Goodies!
>>>>> Check out my radio show at my new home:
>>>>> http://www.mushroomfm.com/brettboyer
>>>>> every Monday 5 o'clock eastern 2 o'clock pacific
>>>>> Listen to the Shroom live!
>>>>> http://listen.mushroomfm.com:8760/listen.pls
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <holdsworthfan at eml.cc>
>>>>> To: "'List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology'"
>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] training client in office and email.
>>>>> suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What screen reader is she using? JAWS has a Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>> feature that
>>>>>> emulates a classic menu feel while navigating lower ribbon controls;
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> functions are still in their 2007/2010 places and it doesn't take
>>>>>> away the new
>>>>>> dropdown/split buttons and galley controls (e.g. header and footer
>>>>>> selection),
>>>>>> and you are then tethered to that setup. Personally I go over the
>>>>>> ribbons so
>>>>>> students can find what they need to if necessary, and then try to
>>>>>> keep them away
>>>>>> from it wherever possible--context menus for some common things,
>>>>>> quick access
>>>>>> bar so that alt+numbers 1-0 can be pressed for 10 most frequently
>>>>>> used items.
>>>>>> It's even easier to avoid ribbons if they're used to hotkeys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows Mail is most similar to Outlook Express, and that should be
>>>>>> fine unless
>>>>>> she likes or requires Outlook-specific features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Brett Boyer
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:25 PM
>>>>>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>>>>>> Subject: [Trainer-talk] training client in office and email.
>>>>>> suggestions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all. Well I'm finally getting back on the training train. Anyway
>>>>>> I have a
>>>>>> client who is moving to windows7. She is used to classic style menus
>>>>>> for office
>>>>>> and she uses outlook express. I'd like to find the easiest
>>>>>> transition possible
>>>>>> for her. So what r people's recommendations.
>>>>>> 1 Using the ribbon control in office. I thought someone said on here
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> possible to use a classic style menu bar in Office. But is ribbon
>>>>>> control worth
>>>>>> it in the long-run.
>>>>>> 2  is it worth training her in outlook since it's widely used but in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> blindness community it is not very popular and seems a little
>>>>>> confusing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This person is a writer and like I said I think the easiest and
>>>>>> fastest
>>>>>> transition is the best way to go here.
>>>>>> bb
>>>>
>>>>
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