[Trainer-talk] exploring with pages with JAWS

Thu May 16 20:58:55 UTC 2013

Good information here. I know you don't want to bombard the beginner
with too many things, but here are two things to consider. First,
using the numbers 1-6 in JAWS to move to a heading of that level
number doesn't always work. A good example of this is in Gmail, I know
I can press number 2 to get to the Inbox heading from the top of the
page. However, when I do, JAWS tells me, "There are no level 2
headings on this page." I have to use H to move down to the Folders
heading before I can start pressing 2. However, I use this method a
lot, especially when opening a message in Gmail and wanting to move to
the portion of the page that has the message, instead of going through
all of my headings for labels that have unread messages. My point here
is that the
numbers don't always work in each time; that can vary.

Second, I encourage my students to work as much as possible from the
webpage itself. This will not only give them more experience on the
page but will also help them to get more familiar with the layout of
the web page
and its content. And yet I still have several that will insist upon
tabbing between links. If you are looking for a link on a medium sized
page, this is fine. But if you are on a page like Wikipedia and have
hundreds of links, there are better ways to accomplish this. Anyway, I
promote and encourage students to take time in the beginning when they
first go to a site to explore the page by arrowing down. Long, yes;
will they have to arrow a lot, yes. However, they will see all of the
content on the page. Other methods of navigating can be dropped in as
they are covered.

In my daily web surfing, I use a combination of methods for navigating
on web pages, including using the JAWS quick keys (like H for
headings, t for tables, and so forth); and using the arrows and the
tab key. I think I get better results by mixing it up like this than
just sticking with one method.

Regards,
Wayne Merritt
Austin, Texas

On 5/15/13, Dr. Denise M Robinson <deniserob at gmail.com> wrote:
> Also be aware that it depends on the focus of the page in IE on if you do
> the ctrl F and whether you will put up the find of IE or the find of
> Jaws...if IE, just close the box, alt tab off and come back then do it
> again and the focus will go to jaws find
> Denise
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Julie Adkins <jadkins at mabnc.org> wrote:
>
>> Oh, I was wondering about that.  Since a lot of time can pass between
>> JAWS
>> clients for me, I could not remember which way I had typically taught it.
>> Several months ago I had someone who, when he pressed Control + F, just
>> got
>> a Find dialog within Internet Explorer itself, which would go find the
>> text
>> visually (with a yellow highlight block), but not actually move the
>> cursor
>> there.  So I trained him to use the Insert + Control + F.  I thought he
>> had
>> Internet Explorer 9, but it must have been 8.  Last night I tried the
>> regular Control + F on my home computer with JAWS on, and saw that it
>> worked
>> fine.  I was feeling really confused.  Thanks for clearing that up.
>> That's
>> why I love having these listservs!!
>>
>> Julie Adkins
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> matt diemert
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 7:30 AM
>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] exploring with pages with JAWS
>>
>> Julie
>> Great notes.
>> Two quick observations. First. in a browser, since Jaws 9 or 10, I can't
>> recall it's been a while since my FS days, pressing control f, is the
>> same
>> as pressing control INS F, try it, you'll hear both say jaws find. This
>> may
>> be less keystroke intensive on a new keyboard user. Second, if the user
>> has
>> followed your first step of moving to the top of a web page with control
>> Home, it's probably just as easy at this point to press E for the search
>> field, as pressing control INS home. Just thought I'd mention these as
>> there's always more than one way to skin a cat.
>>
>>
>> On 5/14/13, Julie Adkins <jadkins at mabnc.org> wrote:
>> > Attached you will find some "reminder" notes I just typed up for a
>> > JAWS client.  Just something basic to give a student that he or she
>> > can refer back to.  You are welcome to use it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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