[Trainer-talk] exploring with pages with JAWS

Fri May 17 04:34:22 UTC 2013

hi,

on the net, any tips for a student that can't stay on track and goes off to 
another page on the first link they find instead of exploring the page?
Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Goldfield" <disciple1211 at verizon.net>
To: <wcmerritt at gmail.com>; "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive 
technology" <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] exploring with pages with JAWS

> Very well said, Wayne.  I also get frustrated when JAWS does not always go 
> to a specific heading level, even though I know that it's on the page.  I 
> think that it handles this based on the various heading levels which may 
> be on that particular page.  As an example, suppose that I know that there 
> is a group of items at heading level 5.  I think that JAWS won't let me 
> press 5 to get there if there's a heading level with a higher number prior 
> to that section at level 5.  In my opinion, while this may be a deliberate 
> design on Freedom Scientific's part I feel that it should be changed to 
> allow the user to press any number to go to any heading level which may 
> appear on that page.  NVDA actually allows for this and makes for much 
> more headache-free heading navigation.
> When I first introduce students to navigating Web pages, I wait for a good 
> while before I even tell them about using tab or shift-tab to move by 
> links.  I introduce it slowly, but I first emphasize the use of standard 
> arrow keys and I point out that reading the page is just like reading a 
> document, getting their ears used to the extra verbeage such as links and 
> heading levels.
>
> I really enjoyed reading your thoughts on this topic.
> David
> On 5/16/2013 4:58 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
>> Good information here. I know you don't want to bombard the beginner
>> with too many things, but here are two things to consider. First,
>> using the numbers 1-6 in JAWS to move to a heading of that level
>> number doesn't always work. A good example of this is in Gmail, I know
>> I can press number 2 to get to the Inbox heading from the top of the
>> page. However, when I do, JAWS tells me, "There are no level 2
>> headings on this page." I have to use H to move down to the Folders
>> heading before I can start pressing 2. However, I use this method a
>> lot, especially when opening a message in Gmail and wanting to move to
>> the portion of the page that has the message, instead of going through
>> all of my headings for labels that have unread messages. My point here
>> is that the
>> numbers don't always work in each time; that can vary.
>>
>> Second, I encourage my students to work as much as possible from the
>> webpage itself. This will not only give them more experience on the
>> page but will also help them to get more familiar with the layout of
>> the web page
>> and its content. And yet I still have several that will insist upon
>> tabbing between links. If you are looking for a link on a medium sized
>> page, this is fine. But if you are on a page like Wikipedia and have
>> hundreds of links, there are better ways to accomplish this. Anyway, I
>> promote and encourage students to take time in the beginning when they
>> first go to a site to explore the page by arrowing down. Long, yes;
>> will they have to arrow a lot, yes. However, they will see all of the
>> content on the page. Other methods of navigating can be dropped in as
>> they are covered.
>>
>> In my daily web surfing, I use a combination of methods for navigating
>> on web pages, including using the JAWS quick keys (like H for
>> headings, t for tables, and so forth); and using the arrows and the
>> tab key. I think I get better results by mixing it up like this than
>> just sticking with one method.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Wayne Merritt
>> Austin, Texas
>>
>> On 5/15/13, Dr. Denise M Robinson <deniserob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Also be aware that it depends on the focus of the page in IE on if you 
>>> do
>>> the ctrl F and whether you will put up the find of IE or the find of
>>> Jaws...if IE, just close the box, alt tab off and come back then do it
>>> again and the focus will go to jaws find
>>> Denise
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Julie Adkins <jadkins at mabnc.org> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, I was wondering about that.  Since a lot of time can pass between
>>>> JAWS
>>>> clients for me, I could not remember which way I had typically taught 
>>>> it.
>>>> Several months ago I had someone who, when he pressed Control + F, just
>>>> got
>>>> a Find dialog within Internet Explorer itself, which would go find the
>>>> text
>>>> visually (with a yellow highlight block), but not actually move the
>>>> cursor
>>>> there.  So I trained him to use the Insert + Control + F.  I thought he
>>>> had
>>>> Internet Explorer 9, but it must have been 8.  Last night I tried the
>>>> regular Control + F on my home computer with JAWS on, and saw that it
>>>> worked
>>>> fine.  I was feeling really confused.  Thanks for clearing that up.
>>>> That's
>>>> why I love having these listservs!!
>>>>
>>>> Julie Adkins
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>> Of
>>>> matt diemert
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 7:30 AM
>>>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>>>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] exploring with pages with JAWS
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>> Great notes.
>>>> Two quick observations. First. in a browser, since Jaws 9 or 10, I 
>>>> can't
>>>> recall it's been a while since my FS days, pressing control f, is the
>>>> same
>>>> as pressing control INS F, try it, you'll hear both say jaws find. This
>>>> may
>>>> be less keystroke intensive on a new keyboard user. Second, if the user
>>>> has
>>>> followed your first step of moving to the top of a web page with 
>>>> control
>>>> Home, it's probably just as easy at this point to press E for the 
>>>> search
>>>> field, as pressing control INS home. Just thought I'd mention these as
>>>> there's always more than one way to skin a cat.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/14/13, Julie Adkins <jadkins at mabnc.org> wrote:
>>>>> Attached you will find some "reminder" notes I just typed up for a
>>>>> JAWS client.  Just something basic to give a student that he or she
>>>>> can refer back to.  You are welcome to use it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Adkins, MA, CVRT
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