[Trainer-Talk] Trainer-Talk Digest, Vol 133, Issue 11

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>   1. Re: Question: NVDA Silent When First Opening and Saving a
>      Document in Word 2013 and 2016 (Lisa Salinger)
>   2. Re: Question: NVDA Silent When First Opening and Saving a
>      Document in Word 2013 and 2016 (Scott Davert)
>   3. Recommendations regarding updating? (Jim Portillo)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:35:45 -0400
> From: "Lisa Salinger" <lisasali at ptd.net>
> To: "'List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology'"
>    <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] Question: NVDA Silent When First Opening
>    and Saving a Document in Word 2013 and 2016
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> David,
> I don't know if there is an open ticket, but I have experienced the same
> things here, running Win 10 Anniversary, NVDA, and Office 2016.
> 
> Lisa
> <lisasali at ptd.net>
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> David Goldfield via Trainer-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:51 PM
> To: Trainer Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: David Goldfield <david.goldfield at outlook.com>
> Subject: [Trainer-Talk] Question: NVDA Silent When First Opening and Saving
> a Document in Word 2013 and 2016
> 
> I posted the following message on the NVDA discussion list. I've chosen to
> repost it here to see if other fellow a.t. trainers have experienced similar
> behavior, either on your machines or with users who you support.
> 
> 
> The observation I'd like to ask about occurs on my desktop PC running
> Windows 10 Anniversary Edition but I also notice similar behavior on a
> Windows 7 laptop. The desktop has Office 2016 installed and the laptop has
> Office 2013.
> 
> When I first open Word NVDA is often silent, rather than speaking the title
> of the program which has gained focus. In other words, the expected behavior
> is that, once Word opens and gains focus, NVDA would verify this by speaking
> the title of the window, such as "document 1, Microsoft Word." However, when
> opening Word after the system has booted this does not happen. NVDA is
> silent and pressing insert+T just reads "winword." At this point, if I move
> focus away from and then back to the document window NVDA reads the title as
> expected. As an example, if I press the alt key once to move to the ribbon
> and then a second time to return to the document I will hear "Document 1,
> Microsoft Word." 
> Subsequent attempts to open Word usually cause NVDA to behave as expected
> and the title of the document window is automatically spoken.
> 
> Along the same lines, I see similar behavior when attempting to save a
> document by pressing ctrl+S. When I press this key, the "save" dialog loads
> but NVDA is totally silent. If I press the alt key twice, NVDA then confirms
> that I am in the dialog. Another NVDA user brought this up during a recent
> computer users' group that I moderate and so I decided to post these
> experiences to this group to see if others have observed similar behavior.
> I'm wondering if an open ticket exists for this bug on Github.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>       David Goldfield,
> Assistive Technology Specialist
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:38:54 +0000
> From: Scott Davert <scott.davert at hknc.org>
> To: "lisasali at ptd.net" <lisasali at ptd.net>, "List for teachers and
>    trainers of    adaptive technology" <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] Question: NVDA Silent When First Opening
>    and Saving a Document in Word 2013 and 2016
> Message-ID:
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> Hi David.
> I'm seeing this in both Win 10 Anniversary Edition and also Win 7 with the latest build of NVDA. Feel free to consider this one confirmed.
> 
> Thanks!
> Scott
> 
> Scott Davert, MA, VRT
> Coordinator, New York Deaf-Blind Equipment Distribution Program
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Salinger via Trainer-Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 1:36 PM
> To: 'List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology' <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Lisa Salinger <lisasali at ptd.net>
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] Question: NVDA Silent When First Opening and Saving a Document in Word 2013 and 2016
> 
> David,
> I don't know if there is an open ticket, but I have experienced the same things here, running Win 10 Anniversary, NVDA, and Office 2016.
> 
> Lisa
> <lisasali at ptd.net>
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Goldfield via Trainer-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:51 PM
> To: Trainer Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: David Goldfield <david.goldfield at outlook.com>
> Subject: [Trainer-Talk] Question: NVDA Silent When First Opening and Saving a Document in Word 2013 and 2016
> 
> I posted the following message on the NVDA discussion list. I've chosen to repost it here to see if other fellow a.t. trainers have experienced similar behavior, either on your machines or with users who you support.
> 
> 
> The observation I'd like to ask about occurs on my desktop PC running Windows 10 Anniversary Edition but I also notice similar behavior on a Windows 7 laptop. The desktop has Office 2016 installed and the laptop has Office 2013.
> 
> When I first open Word NVDA is often silent, rather than speaking the title of the program which has gained focus. In other words, the expected behavior is that, once Word opens and gains focus, NVDA would verify this by speaking the title of the window, such as "document 1, Microsoft Word." However, when opening Word after the system has booted this does not happen. NVDA is silent and pressing insert+T just reads "winword." At this point, if I move focus away from and then back to the document window NVDA reads the title as expected. As an example, if I press the alt key once to move to the ribbon and then a second time to return to the document I will hear "Document 1, Microsoft Word." 
> Subsequent attempts to open Word usually cause NVDA to behave as expected and the title of the document window is automatically spoken.
> 
> Along the same lines, I see similar behavior when attempting to save a document by pressing ctrl+S. When I press this key, the "save" dialog loads but NVDA is totally silent. If I press the alt key twice, NVDA then confirms that I am in the dialog. Another NVDA user brought this up during a recent computer users' group that I moderate and so I decided to post these experiences to this group to see if others have observed similar behavior.
> I'm wondering if an open ticket exists for this bug on Github.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>       David Goldfield,
> Assistive Technology Specialist
> 
> Feel free to visit my Web site
> WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:33:45 -0700
> From: "Jim Portillo" <portillo.jim at gmail.com>
> To: "Jim Portillo" <portillo.jim at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Trainer-Talk] Recommendations regarding updating?
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> Hi everyone,
> 
> 
> 
> I was just curious if anyone on this list has taken the plunge and updated
> to the new anniversary Windows 10 edition.
> 
> I am currently running last year's Windows 10 on both my Laptop and Tablet,
> and it's working wonderfully.  Is it worthwhile or necessary to update, and
> if so, what are advantages and disadvantages?
> 
> I've heard that the start menu looks different with this new version.
> 
> How good or compatible is it with JAWS?
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts or recommendations.
> 
> Jim
> 
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