[Trainer-Talk] Helping iDEVICE-using students get organized

Tue Sep 20 20:44:50 UTC 2016

Debbie et al,

Your students can make folders in their email with their iDevices.
They can take the emails from each of their classes and put them in to
specific folders for these classes as well.

They can also make folders in Dropbox, OneDrive and GoogleDrive as well to
mirror what they have created in their email.

This would push them to organize their inbox and use the cloud services.

Though using Office products on Apple products from the Mac side is not
quite where it needs to be in terms of using Office on a Windows machine
with a screen reader.

But Using Office on an iPhone could be usable for them as well.

So, hope that all helps and feel free to email me off list at
gaccesstt at gmail.com

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Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] Helping iDEVICE-using students get organized

A computer and an iDevice are totally separate tools.  Each is important and
has its place in a tool kit. I am a TVI who teaches technology to high
school students. Many of them fight me every step of the way when I insist
that they learn to use a Windows based computer with JAWS but there are
tasks students can accomplish with Windows and JAWS that an iDevice won't
do. How do they complete Powerpoints, research papers, math assignments...?
I love my iPhone and wouldn't be without it but it is very slow when it
comes to certain tasks and just won't do the job when it comes to others.
Sometimes I want the rehab counselors to go to school as a blind student to
find out what needs we really have. Okay, I am finished ranting.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Greg Aikens via Trainer-Talk <
trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Debee,
> Good question. My initial inclination is to agree with you that these 
> tasks are much easier on a computer, be it Mac or Windows and that 
> students should learn how to use a computer. However, technology 
> continues to trend toward mobile computing and more and more is possible
on these devices.
>
> I think many of the skills you describe can be applied to your students'
> cloud based storage system of choice. Could you help students learn 
> how to organize their files and resources into different folders in 
> their Dropbox, Google Drive, or One Drive? These systems have all been 
> integrated into IOS so that when you open an attachment, you can 
> choose to send it to Dropbox, etc.
>
> Best,
>
> Greg Aikens
> Senior Assistive Technology Instructor Center for the Visually 
> Impaired
> 739 West Peachtree Street NW
> Atlanta, GA 30308
> 404-875-9011 ext. 4285
>
>
>
>  CVI empowers those with vision loss to live with independence and
dignity.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
> Of Deborah Armstrong via Trainer-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:03 PM
> To: Trainer-Talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu>
> Subject: [Trainer-Talk] Helping iDEVICE-using students get organized
>
> So another discussion question for the list. More and more of my BVI 
> students are using iDEVICES exclusively, and I've noticed they are a 
> lot less organized than students who used computers in the past. I 
> work preparing alternate media at a community college but because I am 
> blind I am often an informal trainer for new students.
>
> I love my iPHONE but when I take classes,I do serious work on my 
> laptop. I might read the textbook on my phone, or take a few rough 
> notes, but I keep a separate folder for each class on my laptop and 
> back it up regularly to cloud storage. In to that folder I dump all 
> sorts of stuff, the textbook, the instructor's syllabus, slides and 
> handouts, login credentials for online courseware, saved snippets from 
> online research and of course my own notes. I also keep a text file 
> with the instructor's contact info, office hours, office location, 
> textbook information, names of friendly classmates and their contact 
> info and other general info about the course. My system of 
> organization resembles how I used to stay organized before computers with
reel tapes and Braille!
>
> But to be relevant to today's young people, I need to have tips for 
> being this orderly with an iDEVICE. Students tell me their rehab 
> counselor won't buy them a laptop; they want to buy iPADS instead. Or 
> they tell me their uncle bought them an iPAD and now rehab feels they
don't need a computer.
> For them, using a computer is old-fashioned and most of them simply 
> won't push to purchase or qualify for one.
>
> But just because you know VoiceOver doesn't mean you know how to study 
> with the iDEVICE. For one example, my students get most material, 
> class handouts and syllabai emailed to them by me or the instructor. 
> So now it's all in their inbox, and they have to hunt through 
> thousands of emails to find something.
>
> If I get an email from an instructor I save it to a text file, save 
> the attachments separately and put all of that in to the relevant class
folder.
> At work, I use Outlook rules and folders intensively. At home, 
> Thunderbird's folders also keep my email from course discussion boards 
> organized.
>
> But,   For my students, Outlook and Thunderbird are foreign concepts;
> they've always done everything with email using just their iPAD or iPHONE!
>
> Anyway, I'm really feeling for these young people who get so 
> overwhelmed coping with their courses mainly because they seem to have 
> absolutely no idea how to organize and easily locate information inside
their materials.
>
> What are your thoughts?
>
> --Debee
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Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
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