[Trainer-Talk] More on those iDEVICE using students

Fri Sep 30 20:54:01 UTC 2016

Sorry, these days at least in California Rehab is more of a joke. There really aren't any good places that train people unless you happen to live right near the Braille Institute in L.A. or the Lighthouse in San Francisco. In high school students are mainstreamed enough that they get little specialized access technology training.

Also many of the special ed teachers, like access technology teachers are generalists. If you happen to have a talent for computers, or parents who have the talent you might figure out how to use a screen reader on your own or with family help. But the special ed and access technology folks I've worked with tend to teach JAWS with a list of keyboard shortcuts they can refer to. 

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Can she get training through her state VR program? It is absolutely apolling that she did not learn to use JAWS and NVDA in high school. How does she complete her assignments? How will she get a job when she gets out? I know you agree but this is amazing.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Deborah Armstrong via Trainer-Talk < trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Yes, she types everything with a Bluetooth keyboard using AccessNote. 
> I think AccessNote and the email app built in to the device are the 
> only things she knows.
>
> I think for me the biggest frustration with the college environment is 
> that though we have an access technology lab, students go there to 
> learn something specific, like how to create footnotes, or how to find 
> something in an online course. We're not set up bureaucratically to 
> teach an access technology course, only how to show a student how to 
> perform specific tasks with access technology.
>
> And the instructor is a generalist, so she knows many access 
> technologies
> -- has a masters in the subject -- but none in depth. I see so many 
> blind students fail simply because they need more hand-holding and 
> only I seem to realize it.
>
> --Debee
>
>
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> Of Marianne Denning via Trainer-Talk
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> I use Gmail in standard view on my computer and can create folders. I 
> move the e-mails into the desired folders and they no longer show up 
> in my inbox. I can see the folders on my iPhone. There may be a way to 
> create folders on the iPhone but I don't know how. Also, does she 
> complete all of her work on an iDevice? That seems pretty limiting to me.
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 6:45 PM, dean martineau via Trainer-Talk < 
> trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > One can use Gmail labels in the mail app, and that ability may be 
> > worth exploiting.
> >
> > On Sep 29, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Deborah Armstrong via Trainer-Talk < 
> > trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Adding to the thread from a few weeks ago which I started - I just 
> > had a conversation with one of my college students who dropped in to 
> > see if her book would be done soon. I do alternate media and am only 
> > unofficially a trainer.
> >
> > I had used our cloud storage to send her an earlier book, and she 
> > complained she couldn't figure out how it worked. So I suggested she 
> > pull up the email  the system sent her so I could help her download 
> > the
> book.
> >
> > She started digging through her inbox using voiceOver and there were 
> > thousands of messages in there. Thousands!
> >
> > Well, probably only a hundred, because I think that's all the iPHONE 
> > will show you, just the most recent hundred.
> >
> > But it felt like thousands, and she was unable to find the message 
> > from One-drive with the link to download the file I sent her.
> >
> > I realized my techniques for organizing wouldn't work for her; I use 
> > Outlook at work; Thunderbird at home. I make heavy use of filters 
> > and folders and rules. I am a geek.
> >
> > She is a poor lost blind student on gmail, which uses labels and not 
> > folders. She isn't comfortable with a screen reader. She does 
> > everything on her phone.
> >
> > I know we had this conversation on the list before, but I feel so 
> > frustrated because I don't know how to help her. I've looked in to 
> > using Gmail labels, and there are keystrokes for doing it, but I 
> > don't even know if you can use gmail labels on your phone. I could 
> > suggest she learn the gmail or inbox apps, but I don't see her 
> > wanting to learn a lot more confusing techie stuff. I have suggested 
> > for example she try VoiceDream reader and she never has, perhaps 
> > because it's yet another new and confusing thing to try and figure out.
> >
> > I use my phone a lot too, but I can't imagine trying to use it as my 
> > primary email client or download attachments with it on a regular 
> > basis.  I download an attachment to read on my commute, but my 
> > computers are where I store and back up stuff.
> >
> > I feel like such an old fart because these young people don't want 
> > to learn computers or screen readers, but I haven't found one who is 
> > organized enough with mobile technology they can act as a role model.
> >
> > --Debee
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