[Trainer-Talk] accessible typing programs (
Thom Spittle
thom3of5 at gmail.com
Mon Sep 10 18:16:39 UTC 2018
Is the rudeness of the company in question, Typio or Typeability?
I just wanted to be clear.
Thanks for the link to Rocky Waters site, I will check it out.
Thom
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 10, 2018, at 2:01 PM, Nimer Jaber via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I also echo the rudeness of this company. Definitely will not be doing
> business with them in future. It's a shame, but there you have it.
>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 11:48 AM Dean Martineau via Trainer-Talk <
> trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I can confirm the rudeness of that company. I was really surprised.
>>
>> This was in Tidbits a while back:
>>
>> A programmer going by the name of Rocky Waters has written a program to
>> teach typing to blind Windows users that is free. You can find it and other
>> useful utilities he has written here:
>> http://www.rockywaters.co.uk/softwarePage.php
>>
>> Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Reginald
>> George via Trainer-Talk
>> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 1:36 PM
>> To: David Goldfield <david.goldfield at outlook.com>; List for teachers and
>> trainers of adaptive technology <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Reginald George <adapt at kc.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] accessible typing programs (
>>
>> I would go a bit further and say that the developer of this program is
>> absolutely rude. Anyone that has had any business with him in our agency
>> has
>> come away shocked at their attitude and I don't know how they have any
>> customers at all. Secondly we've had a couple of severe issues with the alt
>> and shift keys not working and they would post patches for the version for
>> windows eight and 10 but not put any kind of support bulletin on the
>> website or update the CDs for long periods of time. Very difficult to work
>> with.
>> My issue with type ability is that a person should not be restricted to
>> eloquence if they have hearing issues the program should work with the
>> vocalizer expressive voices because a lot of people really cannot use
>> eloquence.
>>
>> Reg
>> "Only those who attempt the absurd can achieve the impossible."
>> Albert Einstein
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2018, at 6:48 PM, David Goldfield via Trainer-Talk
>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Regarding the discussion of Talking Typing Teacher from Marvelsoft, bear in
>> mind that it's been a couple of years since I've had an opportunity to use
>> it. When I last worked with it I remember that it contained three sets of
>> lessons: one for very small kids, one for middle to high school students
>> and
>> one for adults. I actually found differences between the three levels of
>> lessons, with the lessons for very young kids a bit sillier than the second
>> set, with the adult modules essentially being the same without the two
>> narrators sounding quite so juvenile. I personally find the program to be
>> excellent and brilliantly designed but my experience when requiring phone
>> support was less than stellar. While I would not say the person I spoke to
>> was rude I would say he was close to being so and was totally unsympathetic
>> to my situation, which had to do with the software license.
>>
>> David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
>> WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
>> On 9/6/2018 1:07 PM, Thom Spittle via Trainer-Talk wrote:
>>
>> Man, what reading a manual can do.
>> The control key should repeat the last audio prompt.
>>
>> Thom
>>
>>
>> On 9/6/18, Thom Spittle <thom3of5 at gmail.com><mailto:thom3of5 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I tried out the demo for typio and really liked it. The only thing I
>> was having trouble with was when I needed to have the voice repeat
>> what it just said. There were a few instances when it tried to read a
>> series of letters as a word. That was imposibe for me to figure out. I
>> had to keep hitting the letters until it worked. Killed my accuracy
>> though. smiles.
>> All in all, very nice experience.
>> It used the onboard Microsoft voices of windows 10, which is fine.
>>
>>
>> Thom
>> .
>>
>> On 9/6/18, Zhi Huang via Trainer-Talk
>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org><mailto:trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Everyone:
>>
>> Agree with the adult and child modes. I believe perhaps a comment or 2
>> might be different, but not much of a difference. As for the comment
>> about
>> TypeAbility getting the student used to eloquence, that depends on if the
>> student plans on using eloquence. I had students who want to take
>> advantage
>> of other voices like Samantha or Tom, but the problem is when using
>> TypeAbility, they are forced to use Eloquence.
>> Personally, I think all 3, Talking Typer, Talking Typing Teacher, and
>> TypeAbility, have their plusses and minuses. It depends on what the
>> specific student wants. There are some who will like one but other will
>> dislike that same one.
>> As for the students who feel the voices are not clear enough in Talking
>> Typer, it is possible to purchase additional voices for SAPI5 using
>> Eloquence, or Vocalizer, depending on the student's preferences.
>>
>> Zhi Huang
>> Assistive Technology Specialist
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> On
>> Behalf Of Scott
>> Davert via Trainer-Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 7:41 AM
>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org><mailto:trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Scott Davert <kc8pnl at gmail.com><mailto:kc8pnl at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] accessible typing programs (
>>
>> Good morning all.
>> I agree with Thom, the adult versus child mode really doesn't seem to be
>> much different. Talking typer is decent for some people, at least it's
>> not
>> patronizing. Steve: can you tell us a bit more about Typio? I'm not
>> familiar
>> with that one.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Scott
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2018, at 9:02 AM, Thom Spittle via Trainer-Talk
>>
>>
>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org><mailto:trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> I agree with you, Amy. What else is weird is that there is a setting
>> that lets you choose child or adult student. I don't see a difference
>> with the program no matter what setting is chosen.
>> Thom
>>
>> On 9/6/18, Guerra Access Technology LLC | Stephen Guerra via
>> Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org><mailto:trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I will chime in here and say that Typio is a product that is worth
>> looking at.
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Stephen Guerra, President
>> Guerra Access Technology Training LLC Blind, Low-Vision and
>> Deaf-Blind Authorized State of Minnesota Vendor for Technology
>> Training
>>
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>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] accessible typing programs (
>>
>> I just wanted to double check, these are the only three anyone knows
>> about correct? I'm asking because I am more than a bit put out that
>> all of them are quite patronizing to the students, at least I feel
>> like Typeability and the Marvel soft options are. I only had one
>> student the summer I was working with high schoolers who didn't hate
>> me for sitting them down to work on typing. It was not because of the
>> typing itself, but the obnoxious nature of the program. That
>> particular student had an especially acerbic sense of humor, so and
>> enjoyed making fun of the software. I don't want to have to train
>> people with tools that would make kindergartners cringe.
>>
>> I can't speak to the Talking Typer, I've not worked with it, though
>> the difficulty people have in understanding it seems to be a pretty
>> big problem.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Amy Mason
>> (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2424
>> National Federation of the Blind
>>
>>
>> 1. accessible typing programs (Brett Boyer)
>> 2. Re: accessible typing programs (Marianne Denning)
>> 3. Re: accessible typing programs (Greg Aikens)
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>> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 18:11:10 -0600
>> From: "Brett Boyer" <bboyer202 at gmail.com><mailto:bboyer202 at gmail.com>
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>> Hi everyone. We are currently using Talking Typer at my job and I was
>> wondering what other folks are using to teach touch-typing at their
>> facilities.
>>
>> I've been getting a lot of complaints from students that the voices
>> aren't clear enough when reciting words to type. Would be curious to
>> hear some thoughts.
>>
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>> If you are using JAWS you can use Typability. Another program I like
>> is Talking Typing Teacher.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:11 PM, Brett Boyer via Trainer-Talk <
>> trainer-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone. We are currently using Talking Typer at my job and I
>> was wondering what other folks are using to teach touch-typing at
>> their facilities.
>>
>> I've been getting a lot of complaints from students that the voices
>> aren't clear enough when reciting words to type. Would be curious to
>> hear some thoughts.
>>
>>
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>> I would second the TypeAbility suggestion. I know it requires JAWS
>> but we switched to it from Talking Typing Teacher and have seen much
>> better results. The lessons are far smaller and easier to repeat for
>>
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>> fluency.
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>> There
>> are also lessons that teach/reinforce basic text navigation and other
>> important screen reader skills. I use it to preteach those skills
>> before clients begin formal instruction using a computer.
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>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] accessible typing programs
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>> If you are using JAWS you can use Typability. Another program I like
>> is Talking Typing Teacher.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:11 PM, Brett Boyer via Trainer-Talk <
>> trainer-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone. We are currently using Talking Typer at my job and I
>> was wondering what other folks are using to teach touch-typing at
>> their facilities.
>>
>> I've been getting a lot of complaints from students that the voices
>> aren't clear enough when reciting words to type. Would be curious to
>> hear some thoughts.
>>
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