[Trainer-Talk] Trainer-Talk Digest, Vol 192, Issue 2iPhone Se 2020

Fri Jul 2 22:07:17 UTC 2021

In addition Apple has implemented Touch ID into the power button of the latest iPad Air. While I'd have preferred something built directly into the screen the Touch ID does work well using the power/wake/sleep button.

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The rumor was that the fingerprint sensor might come back in the new phones this year but I don’t think anybody knows for sure. In the side button. It was very popular and a lot of the new android phones have it that way. I’m not sure why Apple took it away.

Reg
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On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:38 AM, Bonnie Lucas via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Hello,

I purchased the 12 mini and love it. I have small hands.  it works better than my 8 did for Braille Screen Input. It always seems like the dots were in weird places, particularly dot 5. The dots occasionally get messed up with this one but generally, after recalibrating, it works quite well. I created "back of the phone taps," for pressing the home button and for sliding up to unlock,, (two taps) and three taps to go to the App Switcher;   but I've begun using the swipe up technique and I've become good at it. I, like Scott, definitely prefer the thumb print and it seems to me that they could create a place somewhere on the phone to be able to put a thumb print. However, I have also talked with sighted folks about what happens at night when the lights aren't on and they get on their phones while their partner is sleeping and they also say they prefer the finger print! 

Bonnie Lucas

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  1. Re: iPhone Se 2020 (Scott Davert)
  2. Re: Jaws input questions on Focus 40 blue fifth gen braille
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 15:53:32 -0400
From: Scott Davert <kc8pnl at gmail.com>
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I totally understand how you feel about Touch ID, I strongly prefer it over Face ID. I think you will like the SE 2020, it will just require a little bit of an adjustment since the screen is slightly smaller.

I hope these messages have helped some?
Scott 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2021, at 15:12, Kelsey Nicolay via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Yes, I do prefer Touch ID and a home button which is why I am wanting 
> the Se. I tried BSI on an XR and it was really awkward to type on, so 
> I'd rather not get a 12 or 11 if I don't have to.
> 
>> On 7/1/21, Scott Davert via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Kelsey.
>> BSI should work fine on the SE 2020, it just may feel a little 
>> cramped at first though, since the screen will be a little smaller 
>> than your 8+. I don't use BSI often, as I use a braille display, but 
>> it worked fine for me on the SE 2020 when I tried it. The phone will 
>> certainly to  faster than the
>> 8+, though don't expect too much improvement in terms of battery 
>> 8+life. If
>> you aren't clinging to your home button, the 12 Mini may also be 
>> worth considering, as that's roughly the size of the 8+. It will cost 
>> more and requires you to use Face ID, though. Remember, with Apple, 
>> you have 2 weeks to try something and return it for a full refund, 
>> though I'm not sure how smooth that works if you do not have the ability to get to an Apple Store.
>> I've never done this by mail, but know others who have.a
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> Scott
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:48, Brad Snyder via Trainer-Talk 
>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?My wife also has an SE 2020.  She is sighted, so, needless to say, 
>>> she doesn?t use Braille input or VoiceOver.
>>> That said, it is obvious that the internal components in the SE 2020 
>>> are of a lower quality than those in my 12 Pro.
>>> My wife frequently has a problem receiving a good cellular or wifi 
>>> signal, while my 12 Pro receives a much stronger signal when in the same location.
>>> Sometimes this is a big problem and she has difficulty using her device.
>>> This was never an issue with her original iPhone SE (First Generation).
>>> We have discussed replacing her SE 2020 with an iPhone 12, or 
>>> holding out until the new models are released in the fall.
>>> If price is your primary consideration, then get the SE 2020, but be 
>>> aware that you are purchasing a lower quality device.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 08:59, Jim McCarthy via Trainer-Talk 
>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My wife has the SE but does not use the bailing feature so I do not know.
>>> I
>>> had the eight and found the keyboard crowded and so didn?t ever 
>>> really get a custom to using that feature myself. Perhaps you might 
>>> consider an 11 which has a lower price point than the 12, that is if 
>>> the features of the
>>> 12 aren?t as important as price.
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 8:29 AM Kelsey Nicolay via Trainer-Talk < 
>>>> trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> I'm thinking about getting the iPhone Se 2020 to replace my broken 
>>>> iPhone 8 plus (the earpiece doesn't work). I am a braille screen 
>>>> input user and have heard that the Se is not a good phone for that.
>>>> However, others have said it is fine as long as I use away mode which I do.
>>>> Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on this phone and 
>>>> whether it is worth buying. I don't want a 12 due to the price.
>>>> 
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 13:30:04 -0700
From: JASON ALAMILLO <leadershipjba at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] Jaws input questions on Focus 40 blue
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Thank you so much, I really appreciate it. I will definitely take a look at the document that you?ve attached here.

> On Jul 1, 2021, at 11:52 AM, Nik Petersson via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jason and happy Thursday.
> 
> Working with the Focus 40 5th gen an JAWS is a great experience once you work out the process.
> 
> The Windows-d command is created by pressing cord, 8, 4 release and then the letter d.  The cord with dot 8 indicates to JAWS that you are going to create a "modifier" command and by including the dot 4 you are adding the windows key and then you let go and add the letter d to the command.
> 
> Along the same lines, press cord, 8 and dot 2, let go and then press letter t to get Jaws key and t to hear current application title.  Please refer to the JAWS and braille input cord commands under the jaws help section.
> 
> 
> To get the search box by pressing the Windows key by it self press "right shift and dot 4" and for alt+tab press left shift+dots 4, 5.
> 
> I have also attached a PDF copy of the list of braille display input commands for the Focus 5th gen.  Keep in mind this is copied from the JAWS help section, JAWS and refreshable braille, Focus braille displays, braille display input.
> 
> Please let me know if you have any questions or if you would like additional information.
> 
> Kind regards, Nik.
> 
> 
> 
> Nik Petersson
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> Subject: [Trainer-Talk] Jaws input questions on Focus 40 blue fifth 
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> 
> Hello all. I just had a question on the focus 40 fifth generation braille display. I?m looking at the online userguide with all the Jaws input commands on the focus 40, but there are a couple of items I do not see on it. Firstly, I am not sure how to perform the windows D function with the display Perkins keys to go to the desktop. Next, I can?t figure out how to press the key combination to perform the windows key function, the one that takes us to the search bar to search for all of our apps. Lastly, I am not able to simulate an alt tab on the Perkins keyboard. Do any of you know what any of these keystrokes are or if they do or don?t exist? I would really appreciate your help. Thank you.
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 14:33:15 -0700
From: Humberto <humberto_avila.it104 at outlook.com>
To: JASON ALAMILLO via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] Jaws input questions on Focus 40 blue
   fifth gen braille display
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Dear Jason,

Thanks for reaching out with your questions. Yes, the focus commands for emulating the Windows+D and Alt+Tab keystrokes are indeed mentioned on the user's guide. Depending on where you look online, the user guide that is from the official Freedom Scientific page is below:

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In the above link, if you look under the "Commands Overview" section, there are subsections for modifyer keys, windows commands, Braille commands, ETC. they will be explained and listed in tables which are neatly laid out for JAWS to read. I would take a look at this page to learn how to simulate the keystrokes you need and to refer to.

Hope this helps. If you have further questions, let me know.

Take care,

Humberto

On 7/1/2021 10:51 AM, JASON ALAMILLO via Trainer-Talk wrote:
> Hello all. I just had a question on the focus 40 fifth generation braille display. I?m looking at the online userguide with all the Jaws input commands on the focus 40, but there are a couple of items I do not see on it. Firstly, I am not sure how to perform the windows D function with the display Perkins keys to go to the desktop. Next, I can?t figure out how to press the key combination to perform the windows key function, the one that takes us to the search bar to search for all of our apps. Lastly, I am not able to simulate an alt tab on the Perkins keyboard. Do any of you know what any of these keystrokes are or if they do or don?t exist? I would really appreciate your help. Thank you.
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 23:00:23 -0400
From: Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>
To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
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Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] iPhone Se 2020
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I had an iPhone 8 before upgrading to the plus. The hardest part of using BSI on the 8 (which is still an issue on the 8 plus) is figuring out a way to hold the phone so the speaker isn?t muted when typing. From what I?ve heard, this will always be a problem no matter what you do. 

Sent from Kelsey Nicolay?s iPhone 

> On Jul 1, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Scott Davert via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I totally understand how you feel about Touch ID, I strongly prefer it over Face ID. I think you will like the SE 2020, it will just require a little bit of an adjustment since the screen is slightly smaller.
> 
> I hope these messages have helped some?
> Scott
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 15:12, Kelsey Nicolay via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Yes, I do prefer Touch ID and a home button which is why I am 
>> wanting the Se. I tried BSI on an XR and it was really awkward to 
>> type on, so I'd rather not get a 12 or 11 if I don't have to.
>> 
>>>> On 7/1/21, Scott Davert via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Kelsey.
>>> BSI should work fine on the SE 2020, it just may feel a little 
>>> cramped at first though, since the screen will be a little smaller 
>>> than your 8+. I don't use BSI often, as I use a braille display, but 
>>> it worked fine for me on the SE 2020 when I tried it. The phone will 
>>> certainly to  faster than the
>>> 8+, though don't expect too much improvement in terms of battery 
>>> 8+life. If
>>> you aren't clinging to your home button, the 12 Mini may also be 
>>> worth considering, as that's roughly the size of the 8+. It will 
>>> cost more and requires you to use Face ID, though. Remember, with 
>>> Apple, you have 2 weeks to try something and return it for a full 
>>> refund, though I'm not sure how smooth that works if you do not have the ability to get to an Apple Store.
>>> I've never done this by mail, but know others who have.a
>>> 
>>> Good luck,
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:48, Brad Snyder via Trainer-Talk 
>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?My wife also has an SE 2020.  She is sighted, so, needless to say, 
>>>> she doesn?t use Braille input or VoiceOver.
>>>> That said, it is obvious that the internal components in the SE
>>>> 2020 are of a lower quality than those in my 12 Pro.
>>>> My wife frequently has a problem receiving a good cellular or wifi 
>>>> signal, while my 12 Pro receives a much stronger signal when in the same location.
>>>> Sometimes this is a big problem and she has difficulty using her device.
>>>> This was never an issue with her original iPhone SE (First Generation).
>>>> We have discussed replacing her SE 2020 with an iPhone 12, or 
>>>> holding out until the new models are released in the fall.
>>>> If price is your primary consideration, then get the SE 2020, but 
>>>> be aware that you are purchasing a lower quality device.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 08:59, Jim McCarthy via Trainer-Talk 
>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> My wife has the SE but does not use the bailing feature so I do not know.
>>>> I
>>>> had the eight and found the keyboard crowded and so didn?t ever 
>>>> really get a custom to using that feature myself. Perhaps you might 
>>>> consider an 11 which has a lower price point than the 12, that is 
>>>> if the features of the
>>>> 12 aren?t as important as price.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 8:29 AM Kelsey Nicolay via Trainer-Talk < 
>>>>> trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> I'm thinking about getting the iPhone Se 2020 to replace my broken 
>>>>> iPhone 8 plus (the earpiece doesn't work). I am a braille screen 
>>>>> input user and have heard that the Se is not a good phone for 
>>>>> that. However, others have said it is fine as long as I use away mode which I do.
>>>>> Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on this phone and 
>>>>> whether it is worth buying. I don't want a 12 due to the price.
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