<html class="apple-mail-supports-explicit-dark-mode"><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Good morning,<div>I definitely agree. This is a great conversation, and I always am open to learning from others.<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">----<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Christopher Murphy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Email:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><font color="#ffffff"><span style="caret-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a href="mailto:cjohnmurph@gmail.com">cjohnmurph@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">this is a CONFIDENTIAL communication and is not to be duplicated or forwarded to other individuals or organizations unless the email says otherwise. 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Please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the original message<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span>Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 21, 2026, at 10:07\u202fPM, Brett Boyer via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk@nfbnet.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">\ufeff<span>I have to agree here. There are a few things that are different, but overall, I think the web app style of windows is what we are going to start seeing in general.</span><br><span>I'm sure there are some very specific things that might require new work arounds but so far, I am not seeing complete in accessible use.</span><br><span>I think this is a great conversation, and I think we should all try to learn from each other when it comes to these newer interfaces.</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Showe Trela via Trainer-Talk</span><br><span>Sent: Monday, September 21, 2026 8:17 AM</span><br><span>To: trainer-talk@nfbnet.org</span><br><span>Cc: Showe Trela <myshowe86@gmail.com>; trainer-talk@nfbnet.org</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] Bringing Back the Classic Outlook</span><br><span></span><br><span>Can someone tell me what is actually so bad about the new Outlook? I'm using it and I am not having that much trouble with it. There's a lot of F6-ing maybe? I always get my Inbox to refocus when I press ctrl+shft+I and I am able to do a lot of what I need. I especially love how my Gmail calendar syncs without a problem whereas in classic, it won't. Gross! lol I am so curious what is wrong with modern Outlook because I am teaching it just fine. Thanks for the info. </span><br><span></span><br><span>Showe</span><br><span></span><br><span>Sent from my iPhone</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sep 21, 2026, at 7:59\u202fAM, Sotomayor, Yadiel (DBVI) via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk@nfbnet.org> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>\ufeffNew Outlook is terrible. I'm usually one for jumping into the latest and greatest, but new Outlook is just a mess. Especially if you use NVDA as your primary screen reader. With JAWS is a little better, but not by much. If you want instructions on how to install the classic outlook, Microsoft Help Desk has a great article. I recommend bookmarking this page, since search engines like Google are deprioritizing it.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/install-or-reinstall-class</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ic-outlook-on-a-windows-pc</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Yadiel J. Sotomayor, MA, NCATB, NOMCT, NCRTB, NCUEB</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Pronouns: Him/He/His</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Access Technology Instructor</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Virginia Rehabilitation Center for the Blind & Vision Impaired </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Department for the Blind & Vision Impaired</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>401 Azalea Ave, Richmond, VA 23227</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Office: 804-371-3400</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Fax: 804-371-3092</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Email Address: yadiel.sotomayor@dbvi.virginia.gov</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Facebook | LinkedIn | Website</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Christopher Murphy via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk@nfbnet.org></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2026 6:51 PM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: 'List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology' </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><trainer-talk@nfbnet.org></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: Christopher Murphy <cjohnmurph@gmail.com></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] Bringing Back the Classic Outlook</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thanks for confirming that.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>--</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Christopher Murphy</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Email:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>cjohnmurph@gmail.com</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>this is a CONFIDENTIAL communication and is not to be duplicated or </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>forwarded to other individuals or organizations unless the email says </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>otherwise. 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Please notify the sender by reply e-mail </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and delete the original message</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Matt </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Diemert via Trainer-Talk</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2026 5:47 PM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: trainer-talk@nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: Matt Diemert <mcdiemert@gmail.com>; trainer-talk@nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] Bringing Back the Classic Outlook</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>It was office home and business, and as I understand it, outlook is included in that as well as word, PowerPoint, and excel.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent from my iPhone</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sep 20, 2026, at 5:26\u202fPM, Brian Vogel via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk@nfbnet.org> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>\ufeffMatt McDiemert wrote, in part: " I have seen it often in an install </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>of Office 2024 I just setup a brand new system on Friday and after </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Office install there is no classic, . . ."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The question is which Office 2024 edition did you use? The edition </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>you use will determine whether Outlook is included or not.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Any Windows 10 or Windows 11 computer will have Outlook for Windows, </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>which shares the same user interface with New Outlook in the various </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>paid iterations. 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