<html class="apple-mail-supports-explicit-dark-mode"><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Good morning<div>I am in total agreement with everything here. If someone is learning how to use the iPhone, they should learn the gestures first, and then customize them to their own desires later.<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">----<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Christopher Murphy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Email:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><font color="#ffffff"><span style="caret-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a href="mailto:cjohnmurph@gmail.com">cjohnmurph@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">this is a CONFIDENTIAL communication and is not to be duplicated or forwarded to other individuals or organizations unless the email says otherwise. This electronic message, including all attachments, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) named above and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. The authorized recipient of this information is prohibited from disclosing this information to any other party unless required to do so by law or regulation and is required to destroy the information after its stated need has been fulfilled. If you received this message in error, please do not use, disclose, copy, or disseminate any of the information in this message. Please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the original message<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span>Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 19, 2026, at 10:59\u202fPM, Brett Boyer via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk@nfbnet.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">\ufeff<span>I understand wanting to make an iPhone easier for a client to use, and I think customizing gestures can certainly have its place. Especially if there are other disabilities involved. However, I have some serious concerns about trainers changing default Voiceover gestures, especially when working with someone who is still learning.</span><br><span>The problem is that we may be making things easier in the short term while creating bigger problems down the road. What happens when that client's VoiceOver settings get reset, they get a new phone, or they need to use someone else's device? If they've only learned customized gestures, they may suddenly find themselves unable to perform basic tasks independently.</span><br><span>I actually had a student come to me who had been taught a customized gesture for going to the Home Screen because a previous trainer wanted to spare him the difficulty of learning the standard swipe-up gesture. When he ran into problems with his phone and needed to use the default gesture, he had no idea how to do it. Something that was intended to make his life easier had actually left him at a disadvantage.</span><br><span>I believe our responsibility as trainers is to teach people the skills they need to be independent, not just make their devices easier to operate while we're sitting next to them. That means teaching the standard gestures, allowing clients to struggle a little while they develop those skills, and helping them understand how VoiceOver works.</span><br><span>If someone is an experienced VoiceOver user who understands the defaults and wants to customize gestures to suit their preferences, that's an entirely different situation. But changing several gestures for a beginner without first teaching the standard commands is doing that person a disservice.</span><br><span>Our goal should be to give clients the knowledge and confidence to troubleshoot problems and adapt when things change. Sometimes what seems like a helpful shortcut today becomes an unnecessary obstacle tomorrow.</span><br><span>Don't get me wrong, if there is a specific need to do this for other reasons, like limited hand dexterity or other physical or cognitive disabilities, then I absolutely understand. I am just trying to encourage trainers to think carefully about the long-term consequences of the decisions we make when teaching our clients. Sometimes, in our efforts to make things easier for someone, we unintentionally create barriers to their independence. What seems like a helpful shortcut today may leave someone struggling tomorrow when things don't work the way they've been taught. Our job isn't just to help someone accomplish a task. It's to give them the knowledge, skills, and confidence to figure things out for themselves, even when we're no longer there to help.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Trainer-Talk mailing list</span><br><span>Trainer-Talk@nfbnet.org</span><br><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/trainer-talk_nfbnet.org</span><br><span>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Trainer-Talk:</span><br><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/trainer-talk_nfbnet.org/cjohnmurph%40gmail.com</span><br></div></blockquote></div></body></html>